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million more people being vaccinated, almost half of those are people who are just getting a second dose, not a first dose. >> appreciate your expertise, thank you so much. the news continues. we'll hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> you don't have to look far to find somebody who has long haul symptoms, you work with one, brother. we have to call the whole class of it untreated, because they don't even what this is, they don't know if my mental acuity is because of age or this is the way i was before or the fog, the lung issues. people have heart issues, soft tissue issues. there's only a handful of centers around the country that are even studying it because we're in crisis. i believe that long hauler, whatever you want to call it, is actually going to be the story a year from now and ahead of that, because that's when we'll really have time to start focusing on it, kind of weed out, you know, whether people are just wrong about it or it was something
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else. we've got a long way to go on that. but it's good to keep talking about because it's what i hear about most. appreciate you bringing it up, anderson. i'll see you soon. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." breaking news from the "new york times". if congressman matt gaetz has nothing to answer for, if the federal investigation of alleged activities, maybe involving prostitution, even underage females, if it's all a sham, why would he ask trump for a pardon? that's what "the new york times" is reporting tonight, that gaetz privately asked trump and the white house, in the ugly final days of that presidency, for blanket, preemptive pardons for himself as well as for unidentified congressional allies. now, remember, a preemptive pardon means for any crimes that i may have committed, i'm pardoned. cnn hasn't confirmed the story yet, but if true, you have to
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ask, do innocent people seek out preemptive pardons? sources tell "the times" top white house lawyers and officials viewed the request as a nonstarter because they didn't want to set a precedent of giving pardons preemptively. also tonight, the congressman has no shame in his game. he is fundraising off these allegations. think about what that means about our political climate, that the mere suggestion of wrongdoing can be weaponized and said, see, they're coming after me now because they're really coming after you. and it works. he's raising money against what he calls lies about his, quote, dating life, spread by the left. let's just be clear. we don't know what he did or didn't do. that's going to be about the investigation. and anybody asking for action before that i believe is playing politics. but the trump justice department started this, not the left. i never heard of it before any of this came through. i never heard of it in the media. i never heard of it from any
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lefties. they were never pitching this. whoever came forward about the photos gaetz showed on the congressional floor, i'm pretty sure they weren't democrats, because they would have gone bad on him either way. if you're looking at it that way, it was barr who was in charge. and who was in charge of barr? donald trump. you know who hasn't come forward to defend one of his most loyal servants? donald trump. even gaetz's fellow re-trump-licans seem to be turning on him. those nude photos, remember, were leaked from someone he showed. who else did he show them to? i'm talking about the politics of this. do you know what gaetz has that is an interesting aspect of this, and you know what he's doing on friday? i'm not kidding, he's going to be speaking at a women for america first event at trump's doral club in florida.
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a women's event at a trump club. now, to be clear, i don't want to talk about gaetz. i want to talk to gaetz. he is invited on this show, okay? he has taken his shot at me which was completely unfair, and he's still welcome on this show, and he is declining, which he had never done before and had told me many times he never would. he always wants the opportunity to defend himself. i think he's entitled to that. i think he's entitled to due process like everybody is here and i think our politics gets ahead of it too often. but i have to ask, why would you prospective donors want to pump an embattled representative with cash when he won't even take the opportunity to answer the questions before him? interesting. now, the congressman evidently saw our exclusive last night that blew a giant hole in his extortion explanation about all this. that's what he says. don't look over here, don't look over here, where all these investigations are going on
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about the women and the activity. it's really about this extortion plot that's going on. one, the two things have nothing to do with each other. but he retweeted a link to the interview with a key figure last night that he is accusing of extortion. take a look. >> i don't have anything to do with the investigation into matt gaetz. >> gaetz says his father was wearing a wire. are you concerned about what he has on you on tape? >> i hope his father was wearing a wire. >> you hope he was wearing a wire? >> yes. >> and there was no attempt to extort, there was no threat, there was no demand? >> there were no threats, there were no demands. >> that's bob kemp, former air force intel officer. he says what you heard him say. gaetz says no and say if the secret recording is put out, it will all be right there. and he's asking for them to be released. he put out a tweet. and in that tweet he called on the doj to release the tapes of the alleged extortion attempt
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and says all of it is there. kent, who he's accusing, says he hopes it was taped so you could hear what he said to gaetz's father. a really interesting part of this story because remember, it is a big part of the defense that gaetz has, it's all a setup, we're all coming after him, look at the extortion. bob kent did himself a favor by coming on and answering the questions directly, but gaetz won't take the same opportunity. so there's a lot to take apart tonight with that and we have former number two at the fbi to do it. but first things first. we're two days into week two of the george floyd murder trial. we've seen 20 witnesses up on that stand for the prosecution. week two has an interesting focus on the training here. what were you supposed to do? but more importantly, what was chauvin doing? was that right or wrong? the knee on the neck for that duration, was it ever taught? is it ever okay?
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if it is ever okay, under what circumstances? nine minutes and 29 seconds, does that fit into any sense of right? a minneapolis police lieutenant who trained chauvin on the use of force was on the stand. take a listen. >> is this an approved neck restraint? >> no, sir. >> say the subject was under control and handcuffed, would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> and how long, based on your training and experience, does it typically take to render a person unconscious using a neck restraint? >> my experience, under ten seconds. >> under ten seconds. >> hmm. so which side did today's police testimony help or hurt, or both? and if so, how was it apportioned? let's take it to the better minds. van jones, mark o'mara, the lead defense attorney for george zimmerman in the trayvon martin
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murder trial. good to have you both. let's start, mark, with one of the pieces of sound today about specializing in use of force training and what those people have to say about what chauvin was doing and in this context, how it should be judged. take a listen. >> once the subject is handcuffed and compliant or not resisting, is the officer to remove their knee? >> that would be an appropriate time. >> why would you roll someone into the side recovery position after they had been handcuffed and are complaint? >> several reasons are there, but one would be to prevent a potential situation where they might be subject to positional asphyxiation. >> now, this testimony backed up chauvin's direct supervisor and the police chief who both said basically the same thing. now, let's look at it a little in reverse. we understand why that is
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effective for the prosecution. what can the defense do with it, mark? >> what they can do is sort of show what the different people are saying about the different events. you know, they're going to try and get across the fact that chauvin was under stress, whether it's the crowd, the people, the stress of the moment. what he's really trying to do is suggest chauvin had a reason for doing what he did and he didn't do anything with any intent. that's why we're hearing about the shoulder blade instead of the neck and we're hearing chauvin may have been distracted by bystanders and whatnot. don't forget, what the defense is supposed to do in any case like this is throw out enough information that may lead to some reasonable doubt so that he can argue to a jury in closing arguments and through the rest of the case that there's not enough here for you to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, all 12 of you, that what he did, what chauvin did was truly a crime as opposed to poor training, misunderstanding of training and everything else we now see the defense starting to put together in their peppering
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of the state's case. >> so they were traumatized, van, or they had some case of reckless disregard, because officers knew he didn't have a pulse, didn't render aid. when you look at so much of the footage of chauvin when he has the knee on the neck, he has his hand in his pocket, which is a very unusual posture for someone in a police situation. they tell you never have your hands in your pockets, especially if you're under stress. so what is your play on how the approach of training is playing in this trial? >> i think that the prosecution is doing a great job. i do wonder if they're doing too much of a good job. you already had the police chief come out, and this guy made every police officer on planet earth proud. if you are a police chief, police commissioner, police officer, please look at the testimony from the police chief. he absolutely had command of
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both sides of the issue, the need for law and order but also the need for trust and respect. i don't know why we are still talking. i'm starting to get -- what more do we have to prove and say? what you saw today is now they're finding little tiny things to pick at. >> they're nervous. the prosecutors have to be nervous. if they don't do anything, that after the fact a van jones or an o'meara or anybody can say, i can't believe they didn't push this part, they don't want to be in that position. that takes us to a big element of this. the epithet of what has been here with "i can't breathe." there is an ugly, i would suggest, mythology about that. you know, if a guy says, o'mara, i can't breathe, that means he can breathe because he's talking. that sounds right, but it's wrong. it came up in the trial. listen.
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>> do you train officers that, as part of your training, you train officers that if a person can talk, that means that they can breathe? >> no, sir. >> why not? >> that would be incomplete, to say it. because there is possible -- you know, there is a possibility that somebody could be in respiratory distress and still being able to verbalize it. >> impact, mark? >> i think very, very important, because i'm not sure where law enforcement got that training from where they can say he's okay because he's screaming. we know many cases that have ended up in death where that has happened, another very famous "i can't breathe" case, of course. the problem with it is that it actually is this sort of mantra that they say and they seem to believe, if he can tell me he can't breathe, i can keep the pressure on. and unfortunately for chauvin, one of the training officers said, no, no, no, we would do
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the opposite, you can scream or speak with your last breath before you pass that you can't breathe. speaking is not breathing appropriately. >> something we've learned in this trial that i think we should suggest as progress subject to your approval, van, because we'll ask you the question and see if you agree, you said the chief would get your endorsement in terms of acquitting himself well. i have never seen police come forward and testify like this. everybody talks about the blue wall. in a job like that, it's good to have one another's back. however, it's about the righteous cause. i've never had an officer tell me he would have done what derek chauvin did in this case. they talk to me about different things that have to be involved, it's not as simple as it looks, other things i'm sure they believe are helpful to point out. but what does it mean to you, that you've had a number of police officers involved in this trial, nobody grudgingly, nobody trying to shut up and just say what they need to say to get a
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brother out of trouble. >> look, it is unusual. and i think about, you know, 1992, with rodney king, and that was -- for my generation that was the first time we had seen a videotaped incident, and we had a criminal trial, police on trial, and that whole idea of the "test-a-lie," the cops don't testify, they "test-a-lie" to help each other, the whole culture that you just can't trust a cop to do the right thing when a cop is in trouble. yet you're seeing it now. you are seeing police officers doing what they should do. they're telling the truth, they're being honest about what the training actually is, it's encouraging. however, if we get in a situation where a case this terrible, with this much videotaped evidence, this many community people, and the police coming forth saying this is wrong, if the jury still can't
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find a way to convict, i think it's going to be very disappointing to a lot of people. but you have to say, today, you have to say that the police who have been testifying have been doing the proper job, the job that you want them to do. it doesn't happen in most cases. in my experience. it's happening with this one. >> gentlemen, very much, appreciate you, appreciate the help to the audience. van jones, mark o'mara. now, we're looking at this matt gaetz scandal. i'm not paying a lot of attention to the political dynamics. i will when we do. but it's about peeling back the layers of what we can understand as fact, okay? now, did the congressman ask the trump white house for a blanket pardon? he's on twitter all the time. did you, congressman? if so, why? i'm sure you'll have an explanation. please offer it. don't have people filling in answers for you. there is new reporting tonight that suggests that you did. he may have been under investigation at the time by the trump doj for a whole host of allegations that could involve child sex trafficking. we're going to come back with a
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new information about congressman gaetz on our watch from "the new york times." they are reporting that the congressman pushed for a preemptive blanket pardon for himself and unidentified congressional allies in the final weeks of trump's term. it would have happened not long after gaetz was on tv, saying stuff like this. >> president trump should pardon michael flynn. he should pardon the thanksgiving turkey. he should pardon everyone from himself to his administration officials to joe exotic if he has to because you see from the radical left a blood lust that will only be quenched if they come after the people who worked so hard to animate the trump administration with the policies
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and the vigor and the effectiveness that delivered for the american people. >> so? is that the reason? it's just politics, and he was saying that everyone's going to get attacked so he followed through with what he said on tv and went and asked for a pardon? a gaetz spokesperson tells "the times" this is just, quote, entry level political operatives conflating his television comments with an actual push for a pardon. well, the white house reportedly would not consider this, which means that seems to suggest from the reporting that there was a request. what we know for sure is that gaetz's misdirection play when it comes to the sex trafficking investigation took a beating here on "cuomo prime time" last night in the form of the man at the center of the allegation, bob kent. few know the reality of what that investigation looks like, better than a former deputy director of the fbi, andrew ma andrew mccabe. good to see you.
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what do you think about asking for a preemptive pardon while you're under investigation? >> congressman gaetz's hyperbolic comments on television aside, anyone involved in this process knows that the acceptance of a pardon carries with it the presumption that one needed a pardon. and so people who weren't in any sort of jeopardy would not ever be interested in actually getting a pardon, which brings us back to congressman gaetz. i think it's incredibly incriminating that he actually approached the white house. if we believe "the new york times" reporting, there's no reason not to, two sources in the white house apparently indicated that he had those conversations. so it's very, very curious. >> now, look, he may have just done it for political reasons, who knows? we're not going to know anything until that investigation comes out.
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my interest in the extortion side of this is that i think it could be a clever misdirection play. while two things could be true at the same time, he's got issues on one side with his own behavior and maybe one of his friends and there is this doj investigation of extortion, but it doesn't mean that one would clear up the other. i want to play a piece of sound and see if this squares with your understanding. kent says, i asked him, has the fbi been in contact with you? here's what he says. >> you say the fbi has contacted. have they made it known to you that you are under investigation for extortion? >> they have not. they brought me in to discuss the situation. and i am cooperating. >> when you say "the situation," what situation? >> they asked me about the meeting that i had with don gaetz. >> now, i've always been thrown by this. i guess if a congressman comes to the fbi saying i'm being extorted, you can't do nothing. >> sure.
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>> but what do you think about the fbi bringing this man in and just having a general conversation if they're just thinking about extortion? >> chris, the fbi is not necessarily going to sit down at that conversation and say, okay, before we get started, mr. kent, you should know that you're the subject of an investigation about a possible extortion. what they will do is ask him very detailed questions about the meeting that was at the heart of that alleged extortion effort. and that was the meeting between he and don gaetz. it was clear from his interview with you, his responses to your questions, that they did exactly that. they asked him about the meeting he had with don gaetz, what he said to don gaetz, what he was basing his claims on, whether or not he had any actual insider information about the doj investigation of matt gaetz's conduct with minors. so they got at the heart of the
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issue and my guess is they probably resolved any concerns that an extortion was actually taking place. >> now, look, he's a pro, he's an intel guy. but he betrayed no concern about any of my questions. and i asked him all the questions like three different times, trying to get him -- you know, just to see if he would change his demeanor. what is your sense that this isn't going to wind up being about kent but about another guy named joel greenberg who they really have right now, they've indicted him, they have him on charges, he's got an arraignment on a new set of charges on him on friday. he is in trouble for exactly what they're looking at gaetz for. >> yeah, no doubt. kent is a sideline to this story. i thought his answers to your questions seemed credible. he was consistent in his responses, it seemed pretty clear this guy was picking up on some rumors he had heard about the gaetz information which apparently were well-known in the north florida area by many
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people. he was trying to take advantage of it as an opportunity to pursue his own interest in getting bob levinson back. greenberg is a totally different character. greenberg has a lot on the line. he is currently facing very serious charges, extensive time in jail. and he is a desperate man. and desperate men talk to the authorities to try to get themselves a better deal. and if greenberg flips and provides evidence against matt gaetz, the expanse and possibility of that evidence is really endless. that could turn this into a much, much more serious situation for congressman gaetz. >> you're not a politician, but it's an interesting tactical play by gaetz. he's been very aggressive in coming out. he picked a dummy forum to come out and have his tv interview just to get his message out there, wasn't asked the right questions because the guy was on his heels to go him the whole time, but he's never mentioned greenberg and that may be the name that matters most. andrew mccabe, to be continued,
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thank you. president biden moves the vaccination goalposts for all adults up, not back. and he says no more confusing rules and restrictions. but there is still a lot of confusion nationwide on how to get immunized. so we're lucky, we have a key white house covid response player here tonight. let's talk truth to power, next.
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this country is eligible to get in line to get a covid vaccination. >> being eligible is good. but it doesn't mean you will be able to get vaccinated. and that's what we need, especially when you see the trend in new cases, up almost 10,000 in the last two weeks. let's discuss with the white house senior adviser for covid response, andy slavitt. it's good to see you, hope you had a good pesach with the family. >> thanks, chris. i'm by myself here. but it was good to celebrate. >> good. got to get 'em vaccinated, not just in line. kaiser foundation says half the adults who try to make an appointment, fail. four in ten are still in wait and see mode. the harder it is to get an appointment, the more people won't get it. how do you fix it? >> let's look at where we are today. 76% of seniors have had their
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first shot. we're on track that by the weekend, half the adults in the country will have had their first shot. so let's take stock of where we've come from, when we got here on january 20, we were at about 8%. it's getting easier. part of it is because there's more supply. part of it is because it's in more places. part of it is because there's more vaccinators. what's going to happen in the next a couple of weeks is really need to make sure more seniors get their shots because starting on the 19th, we'll have more floodgates again, we'll have more people coming. we've got to keep pushing, because we've got to get closer and closer to that point where every adult who wants one can have a shot. and we think that's going to happen as we get into may, as we get towards the end of may. >> i know you only want to look forward but i think it's important for the record. how big a mistake was it and how much better off would we be today if the prior administration had said, no, no, we're going to own this, we're
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owning testing, we're owning the vaccines, we are going to head up the entire effort, we will work with all the states, we are best equipped to do this, it will not be state first with us as an echo. how big a difference would it have made? >> i think we're seeing the benefits of having -- i'll call it a general-like president, who is very calm, very clear, very decisive, who is talking to the states every day, who is pushing to get dates moved up, who is moving diplomatically even when we know there's governors who disagree with the administration. we find that a more effective route than what your question complies, which is a year ago, when we were looking at testing, the regimen was, let's leave states to be responsible so if it doesn't go well, we won't take the blame. we've come in with the philosophy, the president has
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pushed us to say, whatever happens, we need to take accountability, if things aren't going well, we'll take accountability and fix it, there's no one else to blame. >> you have new york on pace to hit 85 in two months, georgia won't hit 75 until november. there's so much randomness across the country. and yet, there is something that is growing to be a universal truth that i think is the biggest challenge. and it doesn't get discussed enough. let's start tonight. people are done, andy, they've had it. they know there are more cases. they know the variants are the real deal. they know it spreads faster, they know it spreads even to kids. but they're not seeing people die in any kind of scary rate, and they're done. states are opening. many don't feel they need to get the vaccine because things are opening up anyway and there is no big benefit to getting the vaccine, there's no such thing as a vaccine passport, you don't get to go to places more easily. why even deal with the headache? how do you take that on? the passport thing i've asked
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you about before, but that people are done, andy, and states are opening up anyway. >> look, you're not wrong, chris. i mean, there's a couple of things that we have to reckon with and understand. it's hard to keep in our heads good news and bad news at the same time. we've dealt with so much bad news, guys, wouldn't it be nice to take a breather and say, it's done, it's behind us? we would be less than honest if we led people to believe that just because we're making progress, that we're done. the second thing is that once people get vaccinated, it really is an incredible relief, for people who are watching, it's a wonderful thing, after all of this time. but we do have to remember that there are 100 million plus adults that still haven't been vaccinated. they're not there yet. and, you know, you don't win the war until you bring everybody over with you. and that's the spirit of this country. when we're at our best, chris, i like to think we're the country that says we are going to bring everybody there with us.
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and even if that means we've got to slow down a little bit or we've got to prolong some of the things we're really eager for a little bit, that we're going to have to do that. for our part, either way, our job is to get it done as fast as possible. that's why we're seeing the president accelerate time frames. >> you are not in control of access, right? you say, just hold on a little bit longer, wear the mask, are smart. and people say no, and my state is opening up anyway, so i appreciate the advice, andy, but take a hike. they go out, they go to their restaurants, they live their lives, schools will open, tony fauci said get the schools open, keep them open. osterholm says, i was wrong about going back to school. the science isn't there, if the child gets sick, they get sick, they're not going to die, and we've had enough. i think it's a really big problem and i think the horse is out of the barn. i don't think anybody is going to mask up and live any harder than they did in the past. >> we're not powerless.
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see, i don't feel like that's not a situation we can't affect. you talk about schools. the president decided at the beginning of march that we were going to vaccinate teachers and day-care workers, and we just announced that at the end of march, 80% of teachers and health care workers have been vaccinated. so there are tools we have. >> yes. >> i think we can sit around and say oh, the public's tired and all those things. and those things may be true. but none of those things means we don't have the tools to try to accelerate and to try to make a difference. we know we're racing against both the variants as you've discussed but also against fatigue, that's very much a reality. we're going to race. that's why the president keeps pushing to go faster. >> we've talked about the vaccine passport. i know it's not a reality right now. i know you have these big brother faux libertarians who are really just trumpers on the other side. you can't make someone get a
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vaccine. imagine if there were perks. i think it's an interesting topic and i'm always willing to pursue it. i really appreciate you taking on these questions, andy, i know you don't get them asked everywhere but i hear it from people and i wanted to give you a chance to address it. be well. mitch mcconnell is in a twist again. why? he doesn't like that corporations are speaking up for voting rights. listen to what he said. shut up and stay out of politics. oh, but i don't mean donations. think about that for a second. shut up, stay out of politics, but keep donating. why? i'll tell you why. i'll tell you exactly where mcconnell is on this and why. and you need to have open eyes about it. next. [sfx: psst psst] allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good
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senator mitch mcconnell issued a new warning for big businesses against georgia's voter suppression law. >> my warning, if you will, to corporate america, is to stay out of politics. it's not what you were designed for. republicans buy stock and fly on planes and drink coca-cola too. so what i'm saying here is, i think this is quite stupid, to jump in the middle of a highly controversial issue.
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>> unless they're saying what he wants them to say. just because he says it with a straight face doesn't mean he's playing it straight. he's playing a game. this comes after he accused businesses on monday of economic blackmail, calling them vehicles for far left mobs to hijack our country. really? because major league baseball pulled its all-star game out of atlanta? now people are watching other big companies to see if they'll follow. the minority leader says businesses should stay out of politics. shouldn't that mean their money too? oh, no, no, not the money. listen. >> i'm not talking about political contributions. most of 'em contribute to both sides. they have political action committees. that's fine. it's legal. it's appropriate. i support that. >> if you want them to stay out and they don't, why don't you refuse to take their money? come on. mcconnell himself has benefitted from corporate involvement in politics over the last five years, his campaign got more than $4 million in corporate cash. a super pac he's aligned with
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reportedly took in -- ready? $475 million from the likes of chevron and koch industries. how does that square with his past? in 2003 he personally filed suit against laws that limited how much companies could spend in elections. in 2010, he praised the supreme court's landmark citizens united case that allowed big businesses to spend freely in federal elections. cash is speech. 2014, he called democratic efforts to set limits on corporate campaign spending in federal elections a threat to free speech. yet here he is, threatening the free speech of businesses willing to speak out against jim crow 2.0. lawmakers like mcconnell are okay if voting rights are suppressed. others like georgia state representative park cannon are fighting to save them. and she was arrested for it. now could face serious time.
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mitch mcconnell and other republicans have made their message to corporations clear. if you co-sign these calls for protecting voting rights, be prepared to face consequences. consequences which seem to extend to democrats like georgia state rep park cannon, who was arrested while knocking on governor kemp's door during the signing of their state's controversial voting rights bill. why? well, some said they were afraid of a riot if they let her stay there and keep knocking on the door. do you buy that? cannon's lawyer says she faces eight years in prison. she and her attorney join us now. thank you for taking the opportunity. >> thank you for having us. >> hello. >> i see that your arm is in a sling. i have heard reports that you injured it during the arrest. is that true? if so, how did it happen? >> you know that is true. i want to thank you for having me and for everyone who reached out as it relates to praying for
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me and also just realizing this moment is important because we're going to keep knocking. we are going to continue to raise our voices, and at this moment i do not have a full medical report, but look forward to being healed. >> all right. the police say you are a foot stomper who refused to leave when asked to when you were knocking on the door. by foot stomping, i am saying they say you stomped on an officer's foot. did you stomp on an officer's foot and did you refuse to leave when asked to while knocking? >> you know, chris, there are witnesses and video evidence of everything in this case. so we believe the police report is factually inaccurate. once the witnesses are able to be -- are interviewed by law enforcement and prosecutors, i think the truth will come out. >> that's the legal point. the political point is why did you do what you did, park? what mattered to you? you knew it wasn't going to go well when the police came up.
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what were you doing there? >> i am 29 years old and i'm elected to the district where dr. king's birth home is. the carter center. even the state capitol. i am also internally elected as the caucus secretary. so it is doubly my job as the state legislator and the secretary to attend bill signings as well as follow the process through so that the public can understand what is happening. senate bill 202 has had an irregular process from the start. the hearing dates would move around i have would get a post-it note on my desk that i would say we were going to hear you in the morning and then we will hear you in the evening and then the hearing wouldn't happen. when i was notified irregularly that the bill was being signed i knocked on the door like regularly would. >> counselor, you have spoken to
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the d.a. i'm told that they would dismiss these charges, saying it seems to be a little bit over eight years for this. certainly not within the spirit of what that law is about. georgia's constitution says lawmakers shall be free from arrest no matter the statute during meetings of the general assembly, except for treason, felony, or breach of the peace. what do you think is going to happen on the legal side? >> i am hopeful the d.a. will review all the evidence we presented to her and dismiss the case. and you are correct, as the georgia constitution says and other facts and circumstances in this case fit, that park cannon had been arrested or should be even charged. we are hopeful the d.a. will apply the constitution to this case and dismiss this case so that park can go back to serving her constituents and serving the people of georgia, the way she has done for the last five years. >> it's always easy to ask people, park, would you do it again when things are sticky politically. having been arrested and knowing this is a little bit of a dicey proposition, you don't know
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which way the d.a. goes on this, do you have any regrets about the situation? >> that day, it was my intent to do my job, go home to my family, and come back the next day. but i do recognize this moment in politics because i have mentors. congressmen john lewis took my hand, marched with me in 2016 to the fulton county government center and spoke with me about why it was important to fight about the right to vote. martin luther king iii, his family has sat with me and talked with me about these difficult times, but why it is so important that we keep knocking. so i look forward to being back at the state capitol when redistricting happens in a few months. the same legislators who voted on this bill will draw our state's maps for ten years, and i look forward for all of us being a part of that process.
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>> as you know, may he rest in peace, congressman lewis would have called this good trouble. he knew well the price that could carry it on. what a legacy pain he brought into a sense of purpose in the house. and i understand that being impressive to you as well. so i'll end on a political thought. senator mcconnell says corporations should stay out of politics, except for the donating. are you worried that there is a message being given right now that with the georgia house, what they did, removing the rebate for gas from delta, that corporations may be told to shut up and may listen because it's bad for business? >> i think it is so interesting that someone would be wanting to receive the privilege of privacy in this moment when they are taking away the voting rights of every single georgian, republican or democrat. so i stand for corporate accountability. i look forward to hearing more about what my constituents think
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about coca-cola and delta and the other organizations implicated in this moment. it's time to stand up, all of us. i reached out to these organizations when the bills were being introduced and discussed, and yet today we finally hear action. we are ready for this moment. georgia is not afraid of this moment. we understand economic boycotts. we understand corporate accountability, and we understand protecting voting rights. >> representative cannon, thank you for taking the opportunity. heal and good luck going forward. counselor griggs, appreciate you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.
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