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criticism, asking an audience, who's john boehner. wolf? >> thank you very much. to our viewers, thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." follow me on twitter and instagram. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. at least one person dead and several others injured, including a trooper after a mass shooting in texas tonight. the shooting coming hours after joe biden announced executive actions to address gun violence in the u.s. and gripping testimony about the final moments of george floyd's life. a breathing expert detailing the second that life left floyd's body. refuting what had been one of the defense's main arguments. and the story you will see only here. we'll take you inside myanmar and the crack down on protestors at the hands of the country's military. let's go "outfront."
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good evening. i'm erin burnett. breaking news, at least one person is dead after a massing shooting. this time at a custom cabinet business in brian, texas. about 100 miles north of houston. according to police, at least six other people were taken to the hospital and right now we understand that four of them are said to be in critical condition. one witness describing what she heard and what she was told from other co-workers. >> i heard, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. i said oh, the machine messed up again. so i went to figure out which one. and someone was like, no, no, we need to run, because there's a shooting going on. he didn't start shooting like each one. he just started picking who he was going to shoot. that's what they told me. >> picking who he was going to shoot. the suspect is now in custody. and police say a trooper was
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shot while pursuing the suspect. this afternoon's attack coming roughly three hours after joe biden took executive action to prevent mass shootings, one day after five people were killed in another mass shooting in south carolina. ed lavandera is "outfront." what are you learning right now about this shooting in texas? >> reporter: hello, erin. we're enroute to this shooting scene. this is not far from the campus of texas a&m university, so this is an area, as you mentioned, about 100 miles north of the houston area. and right now, officers are at that shooting scene processing the scene and much of the afternoon has been taken up by a manhunt for the suspect, we understand is now in custody. but that shooter was able to leave the cabinet making shop there in brian and pursued into a neighboring county. and that's where the department of public safety says that a state trooper was shot in the
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process of pursuing the suspect in a neighboring county, according to one of the local sheriffs there. the trooper we are told is in serious but stable condition. one person at the cabinet making business has died. six others are hospitalized. several of other are in critical condition. so all of this is continuing to unfold here this evening in east central texas. >> so ed, just one follow. the suspect was pursued into a neighboring county. i know there's a lot we don't know right now, and people obviously are fighting for their lives. as you said, several of the six shot in critical condition we kunce now. do you know anything more about -- police saying anything about the type of gun or any kind of motive or any relationship that the suspect may have had to the cabinet making facility? >> reporter: the police chief there in brian tells cnn that
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they believe the suspect was an employee of the business. but any motive beyond that is something that investigators say they're still trying to piece together through the interviews that they're doing right now and witnesses at the scene. so it sounds like that information still hasn't quite developed fully. so we'll continue to monitor that as we're enroute to the shooting scene. >> ed, thank you very much. we'll go to ed as he gets more. i go to go to phil mudd, julia kayem and isiah mckinnen. julia, you heard the witness there and her words, quite sobbering here. she said he started picking who he was going to shoot. that's what they told me. what do you think when you hear that? >> that this was a motivated attack of someone who knew the
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people in the building, which we are starting to hear from police. this is an industrial site, not a commercial area like we got with the recent atlanta shootings or a place with a lot of consumers that we got with the boulder shooting. this is a place where you wouldn't really see the traffic that you see in those places. so one would expect this is a employee or former employee that triggered it. you know, three times in two weeks i'm here with these mass shootings. and each of them you can sort of parse the different motivations. so i would be curious what kind of gun was used in an age when we certainly know the ability to kill lots of people or harm lots of people quickly is made easier by the amount of guns that we have here uniquely in america. >> certainly. so let me ask you, chief, the texas department of public safety does say a dps trooper
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was shot while pursuing a suspect. and they had to pursue the suspect into a neighboring county. this was a pursuit. what does this tell you? >> erin, as a person who has responded to these kinds of situations, you are always thinking the worst, who, what, when, where, and why. and certainly what kind of vehicle they have. as you approach, are you going to have your s.w.a.t. team or just the officers responding? you just don't know exactly what's going on until you get there and you hope that it's the least of your worries and concerns. but you always think that, my god, this is happening again. >> so phil, the industrial park setting that julia is talking about here, we understand the suspect was an employee. the police chief describes it as a fairly spread out scene, right? and of course, the witness saying as far as she understood that people were selected and
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picked out to be shot. again, i want to say, one of those people is dead. we understand four of them are in critical condition fighting for their lives right now. phil, how much does the scene here itself of this industrial park complicate it? >> i think it complicates it in terms of the second order of question, which is what do you do about this? the first question is i would have, how do you secure the facility? how do you ensure you have the subject under control? we have answers to that already, erin. the next question going into tomorrow morning, what do you do about this? when you look at the facility and the person, the question will be were there red flags that tell you that that person should have been suspected? my answer is going to be to you, i don't think so. so immediately in the environment, the president of the united states just said we're going to institute more controls on weapons. the question is, should we have control of the weapons access of
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that person. i don't think you can handle 330 million americans and their access to facilities and ensure that those americans don't -- aren't able to attack somebody. the question is about weapons, erin. >> right, which is the point you're making, julia. you can't know who's going to try to do harm. what you can do is try to restrict the methods by which anyone can do harm. the suspect, as far as we know, is in custody and alive. this has been the case. certainly, it was the case in boulder. but it is often not the case, right? we often don't have a chance to interrogate someone to find out their motive and to find out more. so what happens now? >> one is going to be the motivation. whether he's speaking, of course, whether there was some triggering moment with the employer, was a former employer, was it a lover? we don't know the details of why he would have chose -- it's not random, but such a targeted
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place. and then the question we all ask now, once you get the why and sometimes you're never quite sure of the why, why did they do this? we're trying to be rational for people who are doing mass killings. then you get to the how. and i've -- i am kind of tired of the why. you know, the how is so obvious. and people can parse which kind of gun and whether they had access and all of these different things, at some stage, the how is obvious. these are weapons that are killing lots of people. south carolina, you know, we can barely blink, south carolina five people dead. and so that's going to be the question, how did he do it? how did he get access to that gun? that's the question i hope we can focus on in the future, the why is -- the why is important, but it's a delay tactic sometimes. >> certainly nationally it has been used just as such as we saw today. the governor of texas talking about how biden was threatening
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second amendment rights with his executive orders and this happens in his state. so chief mckinney, when you look at what we understand here, you know, someone -- and, again, this is what we're hearing from an eyewitness. we don't know all the facts. but the information such that we have it would imply that someone who had a gun was able to pick off individuals that this person wanted to pick off. am i wrong to think that that implies premedication opposed to just sudden anger? >> there's no question. obviously, when a person goes into a location with a weapon, whomever he or she might shoot, they are thinking that i'm going to kill this person. let me say this, erin. i lost four officers during my tenure as chief of police in detroit. and one of the things that truly still rips at me is the fact that i had to tell the wives and the parents and relatives of those officers what had happened.
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that to me, i hope that this officer will survive because of the possibility of having to tell someone that they've lost a relative. whether it's in south carolina or in texas, wherever it might be, we all suffer when these things occur. and to have to tell someone, i remember telling a wife she had lost her husband. these are very difficult times and things to do. >> thank you all. i appreciate your time. as i mentioned, this is -- the shooting itself came hours after texas republican governor greg abbott slammed joe biden's actions on guns today. so what he tweeted, he said biden is threatening our second amendment rights. he just announced a new liberal power grab to take away guns. we will not allow this in texas. it's time to make texas a second
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amendment sanctuary state. and the attorney general of texas tweet ing, biden announce a bunch of anti-second amendment measures today. not in texas. i've got a lawsuit here and will sue biden if he threatens texan's second amendment rights. so let's just be clear, these tweets came on the day of a shooting in texas, and on the day that biden announced he's taking executive action on gun legislation. here's what he said. >> whether congress acts or not, i'm going to use all the resources at my disposal to keep the american people safe from gun violence. but there's much more congress can do to help that effort, and they can do it right now. they've offered plenty of thoughts and players, members of congress. but they have passed not a single new federal law to reduce gun violence. enough prayers. time for some action.
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>> well, there are more prayers after he said that. another shooting today. cedric richmond joins me now. let me just ask you, this comes on the way of this horrific shooting. and, you know, as joe biden made that announcement, the governor of texas says you can't take away our guns, not in texas. and then, of course, a texan went with a gun and killed someone and now we have people fighting for their lives in critical condition tonight. what is your reaction to what we're seeing tonight in texas? >> it's unfortunate. of course, our thoughts and prayers are with the families. but like the president said, that's not enough. we have to act. and we have waited on congress to act for so long that the president feels that it's just irresponsible to wait any longer, and he has the ability to act, he's going to act. he said he was going to do it on the campaign and he's going to do it. and the actions he's taking will save lives. i think that's the part that
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congress always hides behind the fact that will these save lives? yes, they would. the american people want to see it happen. it's just that they can't get it through their skulls of republicans that people are tired of the carnage on the streets. so yes, we offer prayers and thoughts, but we also offer action. >> of course, someone coming in and shooting a group of people, possibly picking off individual people they wanted to pick off, you wouldn't have had so many people injured. a person dead if you had not had a gun, right? that's the reality of it. so let me just ask you specifically about what governor abbott and the attorney general of texas ken paxton are saying, congressman. so the governor of texas says we will not allow this legislation in texas. he wants to make texas a second amendment sanctuary state, playing off what he feels about sanctuary immigration cities. the attorney general says i have
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a lawsuit hair trigger and will sue biden if he threatens second amendment rights. how do you respond to that if they sue? >> i respond to it a different way. if i were not working for the white house. but i will tell you it's just unfortunate. we have to be bigger than this. we have to come together with purpose. and the purpose is to save lives with meaningful common sense gun reform. this is not about politics. easy, simple minded politics so that you can score points with a particular base. this is not about profits so that the gun companies can make more money. this is about making sure that people who go to work come home. this is about children who go to school come home. and too often, in urban communities around this country, sons and daughters leave out and they don't come home. that's what we're worried about. so the difference becomes between joe biden and others, he's more worried about other people. he knows what loss means.
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he knows that deep hole in your heart when you lose someone, especially from a senseless act of violence or accident. so he wants to prevent that from happening. so others want to score cheap political points. the real question is, when will the voters start to recognize that those politicians, and their interests and rhetoric is contrary to their safety? >> let me ask you about what happened in tennessee today. i'm sure many of our viewers don't know this. the governor signed a law in tennessee that makes it legal for most adults to carry a hand gun without a permit. that may sound amazing to them people who support having a gun. but tennessee is the 19th state with such a law. no training or background check required. so let me ask you whether biden's executive action today would stop that from happening. >> well, it depends on the type of gun, absolutely would be
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covered under some of the executive orders that we passed today when doj or the attorney general makes the ruling in 30 or 60 days. but the real question is, why? do we think that people on the streets are safer when more people have guns? people that are not trained how to use them? and so when you look at suicide and you look at gun deaths in this country, the access to guns is not a problem in this country. it is actually the problem in terms of gun violence and deaths in this country. we just think it's unfortunate. we don't want to go after governors. we don't want to try to score points against them. this is not us against tennessee. this is not us against texas. this is us simply fighting for american families. we want people to be safe and the actions they're taking are not making america safer. that's why the president decided to act. >> all right. thank you very much, congressman richmond. i appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. next, a key witness delivers
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tonight, a devastating day of:in the derek chauvin trial. three experts striking down the defense's central argument that george floyd ultimately died because of the drugs in his system, not because of the knee on his neck. >> he's talking. he's not snoring. he is saying, please, please, get off of me. i want to breathe. i can't breathe. that is not a fentanyl overdose, but somebody begging to breathe. >> omar jiminez is "outfront."
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shifting to the state's medical experts. >> all of my research is related basically to breathing. >> reporter: dr. martin tobin, a pull manologist, started the day, analyzing those crucial images from may 25th, 2020. >> officer chauvin, officer king and an officer laying down at his feet. >> reporter: also poking a hole in the defense's argument that george floyd died due to preexisting medical conditions and the presence of drugs in his system. >> if it was with fentanyl, you would expect a respiratory rate at ten, but you can see when you count it yourself that the respiratory rate is 22. so basically, it tells you that there isn't fentanyl on board. that is affecting his respiratory centers. >> reporter: the defense arguing that floyd could have died from an overdose if he had taken moments before police pushed him
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on the ground. >> is it fair to say you would expect a peak fentanyl respiratory depression within five minutes? >> right. obviously it would depend on how much of it was ingested. if there was any amount of it ingested, yes, the peak would be five minutes. >> reporter: but dr. tobin was precise with his opinion. >> mr. floyd died from a low level of oxygen. and this caused damage to his brain that we see, and it also caused a p.e.a. arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop. the toe of his boot is no longer touching the ground. half of his body weight is coming down, that's 91.5 pounds is coming down directly on mr. floyd's neck.
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even when the trachea has narrowed down to 15%, you are still able to speak. so it tells you how dangerous it is to think, well, if he can speak, he is doing okay. >> was the knee lifted off at the point there was no more oxygen in his body? >> the knee remained on the neck for another 3 minutes and 2 seconds after we reached the point where there was no longer oxygen left in the body. >> reporter: the day remained focused on the medical evidence, with one ruling out the defense theory that floyd had excited delirium. >> summer seven, unaffected by pain. >> when we listen to the tapes, do we hear mr. floyd complain of pain? >> we do. pain in his neck, face, back. >> reporter: and one of the
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doctors testified the fentanyl found in george floyd's system was in the 80th percentile for dui tests conducted, but the blood work was similar to someone who is alive than dead. and much has been made of juror attentiveness. they paid more attention today than in a while. even at one point, neither all of them started touching their necks as he did a demonstration of the anat my of the neck. >> thank you very much. that detail is so crucial. as i bring in benjamin crump. so ben, you heard in omar's piece dr. tobin describing in excruciating detail how george floyd struggled to get oxygen for those 9:29, and he was saying that everyone in the jury, much has been made of how much people are paying attention in the jury, but today all of them were paying attention. and in those moments, they were all touching their necks actually. is this the strongest testimony you've heard?
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>> it is certainly some of the strongest testimony we've heard in days. the doctor destroyed derek chauvin's defense theory that there was a trace amount of drugs that killed him. he destroyed the theory that he died from a previous health condition, because he specifically said that what they did to george floyd would have killed a healthy person had they had nothing else interveninterv. and then, erin, he broke it down so masterfully when he demonstrated using his neck where you had the jury completely engaged. >> so chauvin's attorney then today, ben, tried to shift some blame to the paramedics. we have not heard this before. what he did is seizing on the testimony from dr. tobin, you
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know, he said more than nine minutes passed between floyd took his last breath and when paramedics inserted the airway tube. so he was using that gap to appear to shift the blame to the paramedics away from chauvin. let me play that moment for you, ben. >> okay. >> so between 2027 and 45 seconds when the emts first arrived and the time they got him to having air in his lungs, that was a crucial nine minutes? >> yes. >> so what do you make of that defense, that the paramedics did not respond quickly enough? >> erin, this is what we dade initially, even before the trial began. they're going to do everything in their power to distract us, to try to say rlook over here, look over there. don't focus on what we see in the video with our own eyes. and so i am not surprised that they would not try to blame the
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paramedics. they previously tried to blame the bystanders for being angry. this whole subliminal theory of the angry black people made derek chauvin keep his knee on george floyd's neck. erin, it is clear what killed george floyd was an overdose of excessive force. >> so ben, everyone knows these times now. 9 minutes, 29 seconds the time noid was pinned to the ground. now today, the doctor really went into that in detail on what specifically was happening during these moments, as george floyd died. i'll play one crucial part of that. >> the knee remains on the neck for another 3 minutes and 27 seconds after he takes his last breath. the knee remains after there's no pulse. the knee remains on the neck for
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another 2 minutes and 44 seconds after the officers have found themselves there's no pulse, the knee remains on the neck. >> as he lays this out, ben, he said the knee remained for 3 minutes and 27 seconds after floyd took his last breath. they are literally showing video that they had slowed down, so that people could understand what george floyd's last literally seconds were. the jury saw that. floyd's brother was in the courtroom today. i've talked to him before. i can't imagine how painfully difficult this was for him to hear and to have to watch. >> it is extremely emotional for the family. but it is critical to making sure the jury understands why they must vote to convict derek chauvin. it was very direct and specific medical testimony that
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corroborates the police chief saying that what chauvin did was absolutely unnecessary. and erin burnett, it corroborates what we all saw with our own eyes. so today's testimony completely destroyed derek chauvin's defense. >> ben, thank you very much. i always appreciate it. >> yes, ma'am. >> benjamin crump, attorney for the floyd family. next, a major development in the federal investigation into congressman matt gaetz and whether he broke sex trafficking and prostitution laws with young girls. a close associate of gaetz is likely to strike a plea deal with prosecutors. a cnn exclusive. we'll take you inside myanmar where people are risking their lives to fight, to have a voice against a military coup. >> they shoot the childrens. >> i don't want you to get in trouble.
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>> >> tonight, a huge development and potentially devastating one
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for republican congressman matt gaetz and the investigation into whether he broke sex trafficking and prostitution laws and had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old. joel greenberg, a key figure in the investigation and associate of gaetz, is likely to strike a deal with prosecutors. this is according to prosecutors and this is a very important and, and greenberg's attorney. ryan nobles is "outfront." >> reporter: for embattled congressman matt gaetz, the news out of florida today was not good. >> i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> reporter: joel greenberg, personal ally of gaetz, plans to strike a plea deal. it could mean greenberg is ready to share damaging information about his relationship with the congressman. the fbi continues to investigate gaetz as part of a broader investigation into possible prostitution and sex trafficking crimes, including allegations that gaetz had sex with a
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17-year-old girl. gates and greenberg are close associates. the two were once rising republican stars in florida, posing for photos in front of the white house, and with trump ally roger stone. >> i think he becomes the next congressman for the 7th district. >> reporter: greenberg is facing 33 charges of stalking a political opponent, creating fake i.d.s and sex trafficking. the fact that he's ready to cut a deal to prosecutors could lead to gaetz, who denied having sex with a 17-year-old and he ever paid for sex. but his association to freinberg is what led to the fbi's investigation. "the new york times" reported that investigators believe greenberg recruited women online, who he paid for sex and that gaetz had sex with them, too. their close relationship was well known in florida political circles. florida state representative anna escomy said this voice male
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was cringe worthy. >> this is your favorite tax collector with your favorite u.s. congressman, mr. gaetz. >> hi. >> we were just chatting about you and talking about your lovely qualities. >> we think you're the future of the democratic party in florida. >> reporter: greenberg's attorney making it clear his client could be a big help to the fbi. >> he's uniquely situated. >> reporter: investigators are also examining gaetz's travel schedule, specifically a trip to the bahamas. the probe is looking into the possibility that women were paid to travel for sex with gaetz and others. gaetz declined comment to cnn on the trip, but a spokeswoman told cbs that representative gaetz has never paid for sex or had sex with an under age girl. what began with headlines about sex trafficking has now turned into a general fishing exercise about vacations and consensual
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relationships with adults. and despite all this pressure on the congressman from florida, there are more signs today that he has plans to go nowhere and stay in congress as long as possible. a statement put out by eight members of his congressional staff, all women, defending their boss, saying he's been nothing but professional to them and they believe him when he says he's not guilty of these allegations. airen? >> thank you, ryan. i want to go to our political reporter now that has covered florida politics. so thanks to both of you. david, we talked last week, with you told me the greenberg probe is what congressman matt gaetz shower worry about the most. greenberg has a serious prison term ahead of him. after violating some of the terms, he's even in jail before his trial starts. so what do you think is happening here?
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>> good evening, erin. i think that greenberg is starting to flip on matt gaetz. after all, he's facing up to life in prison and a ten-year mandatory minimum for child sex trafficking and 32 other federal crimes. so he has every incentive to flip. plus, he is in jail right now, as you said, awaiting trial because he violated the terms of his pretrial release. so the only lifeline is there is a bigger fish than him, matt gaetz. matt gaetz is a member of congress. when you go to the prosecutor's office for a deal, the first in, first to win. it looks like he wants to be the first one in to get the best deal. >> it wasn't just what he said but the tone he said it. i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable. so it's pretty clear that's what they intend to do. we'll see as they negotiate a deal. so mark, sources are telling cnn that investigators think
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greenberg recruited multiple women online for sex, introduced the women to gaetz. "the new york times" reviewed receipts from apple pay and cash app that show payments being made from gaetz to greenberg, and then to at least one of the women. they're looking at whether drugs changed hands, too, and what went down here. but mark, it's clear that greenberg and gaetz hung out. greenberg seems to know a lot about gaetz. >> well, yeah. you know, our reporting as well showed, and this is according to eight friends and associates of the two, that they -- one of their things was to have women that would either meet or recruit in some circles on the sugar daddy website, seeking arrangement. now, the bahamas trip, greenberg wasn't on that. in fact, one of the women on that trip who is a girlfriend of a doctor, who had his plane flew out there, she was the one who
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apparently recruited the women on seeking arrangement. so there's not just kind of one player and greenberg doing that, there's a few. now the questions about what is sex trafficking as far as the adults, whether these women were escorts or whether the government can prove that, we're going to have an interesting time, kind of examining those allegations. one of the things that we're starting to learn, according to two sources, is that the 17-year-old who greenberg had had sex with, and who gaetz is -- or i should say allegedly had sex with, and who gaetz allegedly also seen, she went on that bahamas trip as well, but may have been 18 at the time. so there appears to have an an ongoing relationship. a number of them have spoken to prosecutors, a number of the women, to the degree they're classified as escorts, to the degree the government can show whether money was changing hands
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for sex, that's going to be what this case inc.hinges around. and the testimony of greenberg will help fill in those gaps. greenberg could be a problematic witness. not only does he have these child sex trafficking charges that he might have to plead guilty to. one of the other charges is he smeared a political rival by accusing him of being a pedophile. so having to fill in the gaps and the prosecution witness might be kind of complicated. we'll have to see. >> an interesting point. that gets you to all the receipts that seem to be there, and what they show. and as you point out from your sources, there may have been another person playing the greenberg role, maybe on the bahamas trip or others. obviously, that would be problematic, possibly for mr. gaetz. so dave, when you put all this together, how bad could this get for matt gaetz? >> he could get so bad that he
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could be facing up to life in prison. if he's charged and convicted with child sex trafficking, there's a ten-year minimum sentence. that's why the issue of the flight to the bahamas is not, in my opinion, as big a deal as the sex trafficking allegations. because if he engaged in sex acts with sex workers who were all of age and participated in the transportation of them to the bahamas, then he could be guilty of a violation of the mann act, which is punishable by up to ten years in federal prison. contrast that to child sex trafficking, which has a ten-year minimum. so it's a much more harsh sentence. and rightly so. so i think matt's in a lot of trouble. even if he didn't have sex with an underage girl, even if he didn't pay for it, he could still be guilty of child sex trafficking under the statute. >> right. and it's incredible, as you point out. any of these crimes it carries
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serious, serious prison time. thank you both very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. next, we'll take you inside myanmar. this is an incredible look at the military takeover of the country and the brave, incredibly brave people who are fighting it. >> somebody just flashed three fingers at me. that's the "hunger games" salute. i'm speaking very quietly, because i don't want our minders to know what they just did. [sfx: rainstorm] ♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪ the lincoln family of luxury suvs. ♪ ♪ i'll be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so.
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tonight, at least 11 more protestors were killed in anti-coup demonstrations in myanmar. at least 570 people have been killed, including more than 40 children. roughly 3,000 people have been detained since the military took over in a coup two months ago. myanmar gained independence in 1948. the country has spent more than 50 years under military rule. only for the past decade has the country of 55 million actually had civilian rule, a taste of democracy. but that all ended on february 1st when the military, which is one of the largest in asia, reasserted itself with deadly consequences. cnn's clarissa ward were the first outside journalist allowed
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in the country since the coup. >> reporter: by day, the junta continues its brutal crackdown, killing pro-democracy protestors who refuse to submit to military rule. at night, the raids begin. as soldiers round up activists and drag away the dead. their bodies evidence of the military's shoot-to-kill tactics. two months after overthrowing myanmar's democratically elected government in a coup, the junta has been unapologetic in its ruthlessness, and silent in the face of international outrage. fearless local journalists and activists have risked everything to show the world what is happened, while outside access to the country has been blocked. but now the military has granted cnn the first access to visit myanmar. from the moment we arrive, our
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moments are tightly controlled. it gives you a sense of the intense level of security with us. one, two, three, another three over there. six trucks full at township offices, alleged victims of the protest movement dutifully await us. they tell us they have been beaten and threatened and humiliated by the violators. a pejorative term the military uses for the pro democracy protesters. in north okalapa township the local administrator complains they were noisy and broke the law by gathering in groups of more than five. >> are you seriously comparing these infractions to more than 500 people being killed among them children? are you saying that these are equal? our minders are perturbed by the question and it goes unanswered. they take us to a shopping
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center, one of two attacked by arsonists overnight. like many businesses in myanmar, they are partially owned by the military. the strong implication from our minders is that the protesters are to blame. it's a similar story at several burned out factories. this is the third factory that the military wanted to show us. they say it's clear proof that the protesters are violent, that they have been setting fire to businesses like this, but the protesters say they had nothing to do with it at all and the factory owners who we've spoken to say they simply don't know who's responsible. sandra's chinese owned garment factory was completely destroyed. she asked we not show her face. do you have any sense of what you will do now? >> we need a government.
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>> reporter: who is the government now in myanmar? sorry, is that a hard question? >> yes. i don't know. >> reporter: every moment of our visit is carefully choreographed. when protesters begin posting about our movements on social media, the military cuts off wi-fi across the country. still from the window of our convoy, we catch glimpses of reality. some people from the balcony just flashed three fingers at me. that's "the hunger games" salute. i don't want our minders to know what they did. honestly, it could be a very dangerous situation for them. we pass a small protest re rejecting my amyanmar's rule.
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our minders won't let us stop. they're calling for a spring revolution. finally after days of pushing, we are allowed to visit a public space, an open market. we avoid approaching anyone mindful of the fact that we are surrounded by security forces. but within minutes one brave man flashes the three finger salute. i saw that you made a sign. tell me what you mean by making that sign. we don't -- you just stand back. >> we want justice. >> reporter: you want justice? >> yes. >> reporter: moments later another man approaches. >> not scared. >> reporter: not scared. >> not scared but every day by day. every day. just like this. >> reporter: as word of our presence spreads, we hear an unmistakable sound. banging pots and pans is a
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tradition to get rid of the evil spirits. but it has become the signature sound of resistance. this young teacher says she ran to talk to us when she heard the noise. you want democracy? >> we want democracy. we don't want military coup. >> reporter: you know we're surrounded by military, like this guy. >> i don't -- i'm not afraid at all. if we are afraid, we people around here will not hit the bands. >> reporter: like many young people, she sees her future being ripped away. >> don't want to go back to the dark age. we lost our voice and we had -- we had democracy only for ten years but we don't have weapons. we don't have cans. just only we have voice. >> reporter: but even words can be punished here. not wanting the situation to escalate, we decide to leave the market as people honk their
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horns in support of the protest movement. the junta has grossly underestimated the determination of its people and the growing hatred for the military. in the capitol napida, we finally have the opportunity to confront myanmar's senior leadership. >> translator: i will tell you the reason why we have to crack down. the protests were peaceful from february 1st to the 8th. the reason for the crackdown was because they blocked civil ser vachbts. the security forces are giving warnings. firstly, shouting to break the crowds and then shooting in the air and the crowds are throwing stones and using sling shots. >> reporter: are you seriously comparing stones and sling shots to assault rifles? the military is using weapons against its own people that really only belong on the battlefield. >> translator: the main thing is they are not only using stones
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and sling shots. we have evidence they used gasoline and molotov cocktails. you have to add those too. for the security forces, they used crackdown weapons for riots. there will be deaths when they are cracking down the riots, but we are not shooting without discipline. with the rifles we use for the front lines. >> reporter: so this is cctv foot tage of 17-year-old quamana going past the police convoy. you can see the police shoot him on the spot. his autopsy later said that he suffered brain injury as a result of a cycling accident, which i think we can all see that's not a cycling accident. how do you explain this? >> translator: if that kind of thing has occurred, we will have investigations for it. we will investigate it if it's true or not. there may be some videos which look suspicious, but for our
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forces, we don't have any intention to shoot at innocent people. >> reporter: 14-year-old tuntun ang who was killed by your forcforces, what do you sa his mother? or what would you say to the father of 13-year-old tun tuntun tun mac wyn? >> translator: we have heard about the deaths of children too. there is no reason we will shoot children. this is only terrorists that are trying to make us look bad. >> reporter: but the lies are paper thin. according to the u.n., as of march 31st, 44 children have been killed. back in yangon, our minders take us to another market in the military area keen to show they have popular support but the ploy backfires.
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a man just told me we want democracy as he walked past, but he was too scared to stop and talk. others are more bold. save your country. these people are not activists, they are ordinary citizens and they live in fear of the military. you have goose bumps. you are shivering. >> they are not human. >> reporter: they're not human? >> yes. >> reporter: they are desperate for the outside world to know their pain. one girl approaches us shaking. i feel like you're nervous. >> we are not shake anymore. >> reporter: i don't want you to get in trouble. i don't want you to get
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arrested. she knows her bravery will certainly be punished but this is a resistance movement built on small acts of great coverage. erin, that woman was unfortunately arrested just as she was running away from the market. seven others were also arrested. their only crime, talking to cnn. thankfully they were all released after a couple of days, but it's really just an illustration of how threatened the military is by this popular movement and also how extraordinarily brave these men and women are risking their own security to make their voices heard across the world, erin. >> your reporting is incredible and of course brave on its own. the bravery, you point out, i'm deeply moved by the people. the three fingered salute. deeply gmoved by your entire report. the biden administration has put out reports from any companies.
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what impact are the sanctions having? >> reporter: so u.s., the u.k., the european union have all imposed sanctions on the junta. in reality, the west doesn't have a huge amount of leverage here. so far what we haven't seen, erin, is a meaningful unified response from the international community to the crisis in myanmar. that's why those people were so desperate and that's why they risked so much to tell us their stories. >> they are so grateful. all of these governments are so grateful that you have put a voice and picture to it. to them it cannot go ignored thanks to you. thank you, clarissa. and thanks to all of you for watching. anderson starts now. good evening. we're following breaking news tonight. a mass shooting in bryant, texas, northwest of houston. just northwest of texas a&m. it happened at a local cabinet mp