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>> all of our viewers in the united states and around the world, when i say sanjay, we all love you and we are grateful for what you do. thanks so much. the fist 20 have been excellent and the next 20 will be better. appreciate it very, very much. sanjay gupta. >> very kind of you, wolf. >> our chief medical correspondent. >> erin burnett out front starts. >> i am erin burnett. the judge in the case is slamming woman congresswoman maxine waters. did the congresswoman give the defense reasons to appeal? and navalny moved to the hospital. his doctor saying he could die
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any time. what is the u.s. planning to do about putin's main rival. >> i am erin burnett. good evening, i am erin burnett. groups of protests are outside the courthouse. 12 men and 12 women are deliberating at this hour. they are doing that. they are deliberating right now left to decide whether chauvin is guilty of second-degree murder and third-degree man slaughter. one senior white house officials telling cnn the thinking inside the west wing this is already a tinderbox, it is becoming volatile over the days. cities in new york and washington to chicago and los angeles are bracing for protests and potential unrest in the wake of the verdict. in minneapolis, stores are boarded up. national guard is there and more
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than 100 troopers from ohio and nebraska is being called to keep the peace when needed. this trial puts a spotlight on policing in the u.s. >> this case is what you thought when you saw it first. it is exactly that. you can believe your eyes. it is exactly what you believed in and what you saw with your eyes and what you knew. it is what you felt in your gut. trs what you now know in your heart. >> the defense telling the jury
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that chauvin was acting like a police officer. >> in this case the totality and circumstances were known to a reasonable police officer in the precise the moem the force was used and demonstrates that this was an authorized use of force. >> sara sidner is out front live, the jury is deliberating in the courthouse behind you where protesters are gathering and the nation is bracing for this verdict. >> absolutely. that verdict bacon come any time now between ten minutes or in the next ten or more days, it depends on how much the jury wants to relook at evidence and how long it will take them to come to some kind of decision. >> it is your duty to decide the questions of facts in this case. >> reporter: after 27 days of trial from jury selection to
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closinging arguments, 45 witnes, the murder trial of derek chauvin in the death of george floyd is finally in the hands of the jauury. >> reporter: chauvin charged with second-degree murder and one count of man slaughter and third-degree man slaughter. >> that 9 minutes and 29 seconds killed george floyd. he betrayed the badge and everything that stood for. >> the state has failed to meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. >> reporter: the defense trying to doubt whether chauvin's knee on his neck was the primary factor. you can't say george floyd die of asphyxiation. his blood is oxygen.
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is that common sense or nonsense? not enough oxygen could get to the lungs that's what killed george floyd. >> reporter: over and over again. >> they replayed the video of floyd taking his last breath. >> somebody is telling you they can't breathe and he keeps doing it and you are doing it on purpose. >> reporter: last week chauvin pleaded the fifth which was a defendant's right to avoid self-in crimination. his defense attorney spoke for him. ignore the previous 16 minutes and 59 seconds. it completely disregards it. it tries to reframe the issue of what a reasonable police officer would do. >> reporter: after weeks of laying out the case arguing a heart condition, drug use and potentially stress induced excited delirium all could
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contributed to floyd's death. he would observe the white foam around mr. floyd's mouth. >> he would consider the possibility that this person was under the influenced of something. >> this is not the trial of george floyd. he's not on trial. he did not get a trial when he was alive. he's not on trial here. >> reporter: before the jury began deliberations. some of the last words they heard. >> you were told mr. floyd died because of his heart is too big. the truth the manner is, the reasons george floyd was dead because mr. chauvin's heart is too small. >> reporter: when the jury left the room and started deliberating, there was a move by defense to try to get the judge to order a mistrial saying
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there was prosecutorial misconduct. the judge denied all of his tries out of mistrial. erin. >> sara, thank you very much. out front now, elie honig and stephanie rowlins-blake. i appreciate all of you. elie, let me start with you. walk me through the charges they are considering and the penalties if chauvin is found on any of them or whether it can be on top of each other. lay it out here. >> each of them stand alone. what the prosecution has to show
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is chauvin intentionally assaulted george floyd resulting in his death. the middle charge is third-degree murder, the prosecution has to show depraved mind murder. meaning that the defendant created an imminent dangerous situation unsafe for human life. the lowest charge is man slaughter. the prosecution has to prove culpable negligence. did derek chauvin's action caused george floyd's death. the defense misstated it today. if other factors involved, you have to acquit. the that's not correct. >> all right, and just to be clear, elie, do they have to pick one of those charges? you got to pick? >> they can convict on all three
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or two, or one or zero. >> when lyou look at your time here, how much time you can spend in prison, it becomes additives and the judge will set it back as well. >> let me ask you about chauvin's defense attorney, voicing concerns, about whether they have been able to avoid you gois and everyone else coming on every night and analyzing this and taking this apart. he brought up congressman maxine waters who said today that when asked if protesters, what should they do? let me play it live. >> we got to stay on the streets. we got to make sure they know we mean it. >> reporter: she explicitly said that he was guilty of murder.
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here is what she said in court about her comments. >> now that we have u.s. representatives threatening access of violence and relation to this specific case. it is mind-boggling to the judge. >> well, congresswoman waters may give you something unappeal. >> this is pretty stunning. the judge and the trial said maxine waters may have done something to cause a verdict to overturn. >> if you listen to the judge, he's very careful of his words. everyone understands her background and everyone understands she comes from a civil rights background and a protest background.
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speaking as someone been on the front line fighting for police reforms when the legislature was really deaf to the concerns i was raising, we need other elected officials to stand with the community members, go to testify and help them understand the process of moving for ward with police reform. they want real police reform and rethink policing. those mayor needs assistance and not confrontation. >> so elie, the injjury is deliberating right now. they filled out extensive questionnaire before being in the jury. one juror told the court that he told his wife after floyd's death that it could have been
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me. police in this community makes him feel safe. a black woman in her 60s when asked about black lives matter, quote, "i am black and my life matter" and blue lives? my family is a blue life as well and it matters. >> there is a lot of nuance. when you look at those questionnaires it indicates one thing and goes to another. that is diverse jury and jurors of different attributes. the jurors are much more diverse. this goes well for a rich
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deliberation. i have seen observationally and literature are pleads with are the more diverse the jury is, the more accurate the recall is and they tend to approach deliberation much more rigger and determination. it will be a fascinating deliberation as they said over the evidence and all the testimonies. >> it is interesting of all those points you made. elie, ei8 of the 12 jurors told that police in their communities do make them feel safe. >> the defendant was a police officer. he was. again, you need to set aside the notion that it is impossible for a police officer to do something like this. this is not an anti-police
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prosecution. >> you are not going against police if you find him guilty. do you think that was a effective? >> very effective. your goal is the pros cootser here not vilify the police. all you need to do is eck xplai why derek chauvin committed the crime on may 25th, 2020. and taking some of the political air out of this for the defense side. and as alan said, this jury had been selected by the party. the jurors are going to have something each side liked. that tells me both sides are satisfied here. you are trying this right where this occurred and both of them
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left the ability to cut jurors or on the table. >> some of the jurors are jobs directly in the case. one of them is a nurse who works in cardiac care and another has a background in psychology. how do you think that's going to impact deliberations? it was an impressive group of people with some really impressive careers as i read their descriptions. >> absolutely. it is a very accomplished set of jurors on this case. >> the healthcare advocate and there is a chemist. they'll be residential expert ones the jury. it affects how the case will flow in the deliberations. there was a social worker that says she's trained to respect everyone. she's building consensus and digging out viewpoints of
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deliberations and making sure everyone is heard. there is a banker. it is fascinating how all these occupations influencing how deliberations are going to unfold. >> they have not really followed this. these people are so uninterested inside the world, how could you miss george floyd? i didn't see it that way when i looked ate. most of them had quite a bit of knowledge. they seemed very nuance to your point. mayor rawlings, when this v verdict comes out, major cities preparing for unrest. you experience this firsthand in baltimore. it becomes more volatile by the day, how worried about what we may see? >> i am concerned because there
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is no way to predict how people will respond. there could be protests and things could get out of control if it is a guilty verdict or if it is a not guilty verdict. there is no way to tell. what we need to focus on is the way forward. there are cities across the country who are actively working with the community to rethink what policing look like. more people needs to be apart of that process to change and work with public servants who lose their lives to make the community better. we can do better if we are willing to do the work. thank you all very much. i appreciate it. >> next, the jury is still deliberating at this hour. will the family accept a conviction, if it isless, it is second degree murder. maxine waters said she's
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right now protesters are outside the courthouse as jurors are deliberating outside. deliberations can run as late as 9: 30 or the verdict can come tonight or it could come any time in the days to come. inside the courtroom today, george floyd's brother philonise was on hands for the closing arguments. and look, i appreciate talking to you again. how did philonise floyd feel in the courtroom today? >> i mean it was something to see.
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even gianna was in there. she watched the closing arguments until the end. it was the entire family there watching and just waiting for justice. >> will the family accept the conviction of any of the charges or only conviction on second-degree murder. of course we want him behind bars. >> the defense attorney focused his closing arguments saying it is not just about the 9 minutes and 29 seconds. he says everything that happened before and all the contexts surrounding it. >> officers know they are being video taped by themselves. they know they are being video taped binomiay by standers and
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department milestone cameras. they know these things. do you do something purposefully that you know is an unlawful use of force when you have four body cameras immediately in the area where you have multiple civilians video taping you? when you know your actions are being reviewed through a city on camera where there are surveillance cameras? >> what's your reaction to that, chris? >> it is ridiculous. of course you would behave the way derek chauvin did because he felt invincible. why would he think he would get in trouble these times. these are just some poor black people recording him. he got touched. that's what's shocking to him.
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he's not worried about the body cams. they are turned off or fall or not being checked. this time it didn't work and when the bell rings and you get caught, it is hard to accept it. they don't want to focus on the murder, they want to focus on the time period which had nothing to do with his death. >> let me ask you about the comments from the judge today of what the judge said about mac s maxine waters. >> i hope we get a verdict that's guilty, guilty, if we don't, we have to get more confrontational. >> the judge responded her comment could result this whole trial to be over turned. >> no, because her words can be
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more confrontational when speaking up. most just take it on the chin and walk away without complaints or going to the police department and saying something is wrong, without saying i am abused. she was not talking about going riot or doing anything crazy. that's ridiculous. she's not talking about that. they were just trying to take their basketball and go home because they are losing. trying for a mistrial is the biggest evidence that you just got destroyed by the trial. we didn't buy it. it was the last attempt effort to get away from the jury verdict. we have faith in god that it is going to be guilty. >> chris, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> any time. >> next, congresswoman maxine waters is not backing down after her comments. >> we got to get more active. we got to get more confrontational.
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tonight kevin mccarthy moves to censure waters for chauvin's trial. >> i am hopeful and i hope that we are going to get a verdict that's a guilty, guilty and if we don't, we can't go away. >> not just man slaughter, right? >> no, no, this is guilty. murder. i don't know whether in the first d first-degree. >> what happens if we do not get what you just told? what should protesters in the streets do? >> who should protesters do?
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>> we got the stay on the streets and get more active and confrontational and we got to make sure that they know we mean this. >> all right, as we said the judge in the chauvin's trial admitting those comments could help the defense overturning the entire verdict and issued this repute of waters. >> i am aware congresswoman waters was talking about this trial and talking about being confrontational, i wish elected officials would stop talking about this case especially it is disrespectful to the rule of law. if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that's consistent with their oath of constitution to respect the branch of government. their failure to do so is --
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>> up front is now is val demings. i always like speaking with you. just trying to understand what happened here. these were harsh words from the judge in this case. you can hear the anger in his voice. congresswoman waters weighed in on this guilty of murder, that's not even a charge in this case. that's not anything they are told to consider and said the people need to be confrontational. do you think she was being disrespectful? >> erin, it is good to be with you. it has been a long, painful year full of grief, hurt and
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exhaustion. >> as i listen to congresswoman waters and the judge has to do what he has to do. i wish when president trump has said when the looting starts shooting starts. we saw protests last year in all 50 states, why is that? the actions of derek chauvin were so egregious and so deadly. we have watched over the last year people exercising their first amendment rights. i think the congresswoman is looking for justice just like the rest of us. it has been a long, exhausted
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year. we need to stay focus on this verdict and we all need to focus on justice being served. >> the only thing about it and interesting you bring up the former president. >> trump would have been excoriated if he said something like this. do you think there is a double standard? if trump had said that -- >> if you couple that statement from him, you know, erin, whose talking matters, right? we listened to the former president incite violence for four years and we saw it culminate on january 6th. so to make a comparison of what
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representative waters said to his four years of inciting violence and what happened on january 6th? that's an unfair comparison. it has been a tough year, we all want justice to be served as a former police chief, i want justice to be served. every good police officer does. for representative waters to say first-degree murder, that's her opinion. we know what the charges are and we know that's not one of the charges that this particular jury and judge are looking at. we all need to stay focused on the verdict that's coming down and pray that justice will be served and derek chauvin will be held accountable. >> so, you know in the context of what you said and it has been an exhausting year for people and it has. there as been a lot of rhetoric out there that i think we would all say it is best problematic, in the adam toledo's case in
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chicago, the 13-years-old shot and killed. police say he was armed at the time and the family said she was not. one of the attorneys which another attorney came on the show and walk back. i will play them both for you. >> to shoot an unarmed child with his hands in the air is a assassination. >> the family is praying for peace and prayer. >> you have a background in law enforcement, 27 years that you have actually been there. how unhelpful is it to have lawyers for families putting the word like assassination out there that the president himself called a tinderbox? >> you know,ere erin, look, not
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just the last year but long before in this country, it would be nice to watch what we say be careful with our words. i have to go back to we have watched four years of inciting violence and it seems like too many people have been silent in those cases and especially my colleagues on the other side of the isle. this is a tough time when ever a person loses their lives. it is a tragedy and it is a stressful time. the lawyer and the attorney for the family is responsible for representing their clients. the court if that's where this case ends up will be responsible for weighing the evidence and coming up with the verdict and so we need to stay focused if we all say again, if justice is what we want, we need to focus on justice being served. >> all right, congresswoman
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demings, i appreciate your time and i thank you. >> thank you. >> next, the families of george floyd and emit till brought together by tragedy and now fighting for america. and navalny is moving hospital as he's deteriorating quickly. what is the u.s. response? discover never holds you responsible for unauthorized purchases on your card. (giggling) that's my turtle. fraud protection. discover. something brighter.
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tragedies that took place 65 years apart. sara sidner is back with me for this powerful story. >> we are thriving. we are going to be on a mission and we are all here for justice. >> reporter: the moment they met in minneapolis, a bond was formed. >> a bond born of the deepest sorrow. >> do you know how hard that is for somebody to look at their child and beaten to death? >> do you know how hard it is for people to look at a person who has been tortured to death for nine minutes? it is not right. >> each experienced a violent death in the family that became a catalyst for civil rights in america. >> reporter: philonise floyd is the brother of george floyd and
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debra watt is the cousin of emmett till. >> omnih my god. >> i think of emmett all the time. he's one of the first george floyd. they put him in the spotlight and he did not get justice. >> still has not. >> we are still fighting. i don't want you to have the 66-year journey. >> reporter: the pain has span generations. her 14-years-old cousin, emmett till's murder was murdered. the casket was open so the world could see done by adults. >> showing the world what his 14-years-old body looked like with a 75 pounds, tied around
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his neck with barbed wire after being thrown in the river, she exposed to the world. the world spoke out, the world was enraged. >> reporter: 65 years later, the world spoke up again formen police to london. >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: after watching philonise's brother, george, gasping for air. >> people should die of natural causes, not a knee on someone's neck or beaten somebody to death and dumping them in a river. b >> reporter: balancoth's family playing out in the spotlight and both creating a chain in demand for justice for all america.
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the white police officer kneeling on floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. the people that murdered emmett till acquitted for an all-white jury, watts is still fighting for justice. >> this is what you are going to do, it carries some disappointment and a lot of hope. justice is going to be served whether it is in the courtroom or outside the courtroom. >> reporter: the tragedies in their lives propelled both watts and floyd into lifelong work they did not take on. both have started foundations to create healing and change through policies. >> the emmett till program is something we are fighting for that affects the family. >> reporter: philonise testified in front of congress right after his brother's funeral.
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both families say this is the fight of their lives for a better, more just america. >> thank you for your strength. >> reporter: so you see that bond there. let me tell you that when we left and our camera left, we went back to pick up more things, they were still talking to each other. they have had not separated for 40 minutes. it was a beautiful thing to see. >> sara, thank you so much. next, navalny's health said to be deteriorating. as the biden administration weighs what they're going to do when he dies. remarkable images from mars, something we can all root for. nasa helicopter just took its first flight. and we have.
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supporters say his health is rapidly deteriorating following a hunger strike he began in prison last month and some sort of illness he appears to have had that they've never told us about, concerns are mounting over his condition. with the white house national security advisor warning administration is looking at various costs to impose on the russians if navalny dies in his custody. clarisa has done incredible reporting in the role of the kremlin in his poisoning, arrest and of course, i know covering his present condition, as well. tonight the kremlin says they have no information on his health. what more can you tell us about his condition? >> we're talking to his closest allies and they are extremely considered about his rapidly deteriorating health. we heard from his physician who said his potassium levels are
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exceptionally high which is making them worried he could have a heart problem or rfailur. they read our patient could die at any moment. he's been transferred to a different hospital in a different pcolony said he went n hunger strike and the reason is to protest the fact he was not a allowed to have any outside medical attention and he has residual problems from his poisoning in august of last year. now, the russian prison system is saying you know, his health condition is sat isfactory and sees a doctor every day and he's on vitamin therapy, whatever that means and today as you mentioned, we did hear the biten administration reit uerate russ will face serious consequences
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if he dies in their custody. they prompted the chief of staff to say with all due respect, i would very much prefer that the international community holds putin accountable for everything that is happening to navalny now before he dies because you have to understand, erin, navalny supporters believe that the russian state is killing him slowly and very fearful and they have called for huge protests across the country to take place on wednesday. >> right and of course, there is the poisoning, which you've done such extensive reporting on then the hospital that his plane diverted to where navalny was treated, two of the doctors that worked there have died themselves. i mean, this whole story all together is quite terrifying and this is the chief opposition leader, obviously. when you see the u.s. say the national security advisor jake sul sullivan, they're upset about this. they put tough sanctions on russia last week. biden called putin a killer, directly, right? which is incredible to come out and say that, call that to
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another world leader and threatened further action. does any of this move putin, is he afraid in any way? >> i mean, you know, i've covered russia for long enough to know it very difficult to know when putin is moved by something or when he's afraid of something, afraid is not a word i would probably associate but he's inscrutable. his thinking is opaque and that makes it very difficult to understand. on the surface, the kremlin is taking a very less affair attitude here. we heard from putin's spokesperson asked about this u.s. threat of consequences if navalny was to die and he responded simply by saying we in no way perceive such statements by represents of other states. the state of healths of convicts on the russian federation cannot and should not be a topic of their interest. at the same time, we also heard from the russian ambassador to the u.k.
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he spoke to british press here over the weekend and he said, well, firstly, he dismissed navalny has exaggerating and said that value knee will not be allowed to die in a russian prison. >> thank you very much, clarisa. covering this story and with us live. next, who flew the first airplane? a wright brother's moment on bars. the space agency makes history after the first helicopter flight on another planet. the incredible images are next. , prevents crab grass and feeds your lawn. all three,in just one bag. i like that. scotts turf builder triple action. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. now, simparica trio simplifies protection. ticks and fleas? see ya! heartworm disease? no way! simparica trio is the first chewable
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and it was. the helicopter completed a historic flight on mars and landed safely back on the surface. 40 seconds of flight for ingenuity, four-pound helicopter, got to be little because it's totally different with at mosmosphere and gravity touched back down on mars. it's the wright borothers momen. thanks for joining us. good ervening. a little less than a year americans watched george floyd killed, the country is waiting on edge for a jury to decide former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin's fate. some aren't waiting. a black lives matter protest march is underway not far from the hennepin county courthouse where jurors are deliberating tonight. millions took to the streets after floyd east's death. the white house is monitoring the trial and the army before air time approved the
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