this is how it looked and sounded as judge peter kayhill read the verdict. >> we the jury in the above and entitled murder count one unintentional second-degree murder find the defendant guilty at 1:44 p.m. signed juror foreperson, juror number 19. same caption, verdict count two, we the jury in the aboved entitled murder as to count two, third degree murder perpetrating an em anytimely dangerous act find the defendant guilty this verdict agreed to this 20th day of april, 2021 at 1:45 p.m. signed by jury foreperson juror number 19. same caption, verdict count three, we the jury in the above entitled matter as to count three second degree manslaughter culpable negligence creating an unreasonable risk find the defendant guilty.

>> that's how it looked and sounded. guilty on all three counts including second-degree murder and after hearing, the judge revoked his bail derrek chauvin was led away in handcuffs. now, believe your own eyes and the video, that's what the prosecution said in closing arguments and jurors did. prosecutors said george floyd did not die because his heart was too big but derrek chauvin' was too small. they delivered a verdict that speaks powerfully. the floyd family reacting to it. the verdict speaks, as well, to the witnesses and the guilt they said of being unable to stop a killinging taking place before their eyes and the jury helped the sum of the burden, the verdict also lifted the doom we've been conditioned each time a jury dell liiberates.

president biden and vice president harris, prosecutor and state attorney general spoke to the significance of this day and moment. >> today, we feel a sigh of relief so it cannot take away the pain. a measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. this verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is we still have work to do. >> we can never be any safe harbor for hate in america. i said it many times, the battle for the soul of this nation has been a constant push and pull for more than 240 years. a tug-of-war between the american idea we're all created equal and the harsh reality that racism is long torn us apart. at our best, the american idea

wins out. so we can't leave this moment or look away thinking our work is done. we have to look at it -- we have to look as we did for those 9 minutes and 29 seconds. we have to listen. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. those are george floyd's last words. we can't let those words die with him. we have to keep hearing those words. we must not turn away. we can't turn away. we have a chance to begin to change the trajectory in this cou country. that's my hope and prayer that we live up to the legacy. >> significant night and a busy hour ahead. i'll start with miguel marquez. what's the reaction from the community to this verdict right now? >> reporter: it is one of

absolute elation. i spoke to one person earlier tonight who was down here and said look, i was expecting to have three guilty verdicts but it was such a shock to hear it because we never hear it. i want to show you what the crowd looks like right now downtown minneapolis here. they have been marching around the city. it is a feeling of absolute celebration down here. they are right in the shadow of the hennepin county government center where the verdicts were handed down today. want to come back over here and let you listen to a little of what they're saying now. the chant they were chanting was stand up, fight back. that is the sensibility that you get from people here today this was a step. this is something that was expected but so shocking but also represents a step. a step in the right direction, not just for george floyd but for others and not just the extreme cases where people die but in those cases where it is

those interactions, little interactions between law enforcement and people of color like lieutenant nazario in virginia. that's the sensibility here. there is great expectation now about where all of this goes and great excitement about the verdicts that were reached today and now it's the next step. now it is doaunte wright. there is now a gathering up at the brooklyn center police station, as well. there is great hope that this is the beginning of something new for racial justice in america. anderson? >> you know, miguel marquez, i appreciate it. we'll come back to you throughout the hour. before addressing the nation, president biden spoke to members of the floyd family and family attorney benjamin crump. >> nothing is going to make it all better but at least now there is some justice and i

think of gee on that saying my daddy is going to change the world and start to change it now. got to change it now. >> yes. >> so you've been incredible. you're an incredible family. i wish i were there to be around you and stand and we've been talking and watching every second after this, the vice president all of us and just we're all so relieved. guilty on all three counts and it's really important. i'm anxious to see you guys, i really am. we'll get a lot more done. we'll do a lot. we'll stand until we get it done. >> hopefully, this is the momentum for the george floyd justice and policing to get passed and have you sign. >> joining us now, george floyd's cousin and president of the george floyd foundation.

has it sunk in for you at this moment? >> it is still sinking in. i tell you, it's been a long journey and it's definitely what we've been praying for and to hear the first count and then the second one and the third one, it's just overwhelming for us to hear and finally to be at a place where we feel justice has truly been served. >> did you, you know, you and i have spoken a number of times and early on you said you were pessimistically optimistic was the term, did you wake up today feeling he would be found guilty on all counts? >> i did. i mean, i always still had that little bit in the back of my head knowing that i didn't have any control of what the jurors were going to, you know, the deliberation would bring about but i said to myself and i said to others that the sooner that they come back, the better the

outcome will be for us and so once we got the call that the verdict was in, in my mind i felt like we were going to get convictions. >> i'm wondering when you saw the man who killed george floyd who murdered him, led away in handcuffs, what was that like to see? >> it was wonderful. i was glad to see that. you know, him actually going and begin to have some accountability for the actions that he took on that day. you know, i don't know that he would ever acknowledge that he did something wrong. i certainly never saw any shift in his demeanor or, you know, any indication there was any remorse for what had happened and so today, it was a good day for our family to be able to see him once and for all being held accountable for what he did on may 25th, 2020. >> as we saw president biden promised change in his call to

your family today. to you, what does that change look like? impact does this verdict have? >> just the beginning. we celebrate the victory today but don't stop there. we're committed to moving forward and having true change so justice is not just for george but for all, that our children and other children and people of color don't have to experience this. that there are no more hashtags and we truly see justice for all. >> and in terms of sentencing, do you have a sentence that you feel is appropriate? >> well, you're asking me. i don't know there is a sentence that would really, you know, make us happy per se i think whatever the maximum sentence is what we'd like to see happen. >> if you will, stay with us. i want to bring in oneantonio.

what was your reaction when the verdict was read? >> anderson, i was in the room with the family and friends when it happened and it was a feeling like i never myself felt before or seen before. to call it exhilaration, ecstatic is an understatement because we knew that the murder of george floyd less than a year ago would really be a hinge point, a turning point for police reform in america and for what it means for racism. we've turned the corner and i think it was an incredible sigh of relief and joy, eternal joy, weight for a year, decades, hundreds of years for this moment was incredible. >> tony, i know speaker pelosi called the floyd family today. what did she say?

what was discussed? >> she did call, anderson. i have to tell you and i'll tell you exactly what i said on the call and the way that she came across. her voice was one of calm. it was reason. it was soothing. it was reassuring and it was moments before we found out that the verdict had come in so she was almost like the harbor, the dove that flew over the floyd family letting them know it going to be okay because that's exactly what she brought to the phone call. ther that it was going to be okay and they were all praying and she mentioned everybody that she knew that had a position in washington and of course, we heard from the president and it is just wonderful to hear that leadership is doing what it's supposed to do and that's leading. >> you spoke to a member of doaunte wright's family, he was

shot and killed by police over a week ago in brooklyn center, minnesota. >> i did, anderson. last night i spent some time with his beautiful lovely young girl lamya and i'm not embarrassed to tell you that we broke down in each other's arms in tears over the death of her cousin. it was a very emotional moment and that's because she said something that is so true, not only for her sself but everybod in this country and she said we are all god's children. i promised her after she said that, i promised her that i would repeat her words and i did. >> charit a,,a, it's extraordin when you think about the people of color in this country who were killed, tortured, jobs

taken away, countless numbers and possibly a number too high to count of daily haorrors and insults, which were never videotaped, which were never witnessed, which never had the president of the united states calling the family and apologizing for or sharing their grief in and what made this case different is the videotape which opened the eyes of so many people in this country. >> yeah, i would agree with that. i don't think anyone can deny what we saw, what everybody saw and that's been the running theme all along for us is like are you expecting us to not acknowledge what we see? it was clear that he was murdered to us and the jury, you know, sent the message today it was clear to them, as well. >> that's what the prosecutor said in closing arguments, this case is exactly what you thought and felt in your gut. it's what you knew in your

heart. talking about when people witness that video. appreciate you being with us and tony, thank you so much on what has been an extraordinary day. before we bring in our legal team and law enforcement team, i want to read a portion of the initial statement from minneapolis police department on george floyd's killing. it's titled this was the initial statement they made for the videotape was out for the world to see what happened. they said it is titled man dies after medical incident during police interaction. our omar jimenez pointed this out. no mention of a knee on a neck, instead, this is a bland and up truthful sentence which reads officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. that would have been george floyd if that dishonest account was the last and not first word on what happened. joining us now, two senior legal analysts, charles ramsey, cnn

law enforcement analyst and top cop in philadelphia and d.c. in terms of possible jail time, prison time, what is this officer now facing? >> the charges are with the highest, normally 40 years and 25 years and ten years but again, it's a sentencing grid based on his criminal history. you're looking at a presumptive sentence of 12 or more years. there is aggravating factor stage going now where the judge will look at the fact this happened in front of a child, that floyd was a particularly vulnerable person and the power dynamic of a police officer doing this to a civilian and the judge can take into consideration on the sentencing guideline with the full range the aggravating factors to decide whether it should go to the maximum or lowered to the minimum mandatory in this instance. along that range. right now, we are a few weeks out from the judge making that decision and about eight weeks out we're told about the final sentence and what that will be. in the meantime, there is going to be a presentence report that

talks to derek chauvin, asks about things like remorse, ways in which to rehabilitate him. he's not going away for life so we always have to have a way to have a whole list tick sentence to welcome somebody back into society and it happens at this stage. >> pete, were you expecting this today? >> well, depends when you're asking me. if you had asked me a year ago, would i expect in 11 months there to be a guilty verdict on multiple counts including murder two, i'm not sure what my reaction would have been. having been seeing the trial, laura and i were talking about this before we started taping, having had the experience and seen how powerful the evidence is and videotape and as prosecutors kept talking about correctly was very strong and the defense wasn't very strong and when i heard there was a verdict already, i didn't expect a verdict today. i didn't prepare for it. it was quick.

three counts, multiple elements for each count, medical testimony they had to sift through. when you heard there was a verdict with no intervening questions and didn't seem like there was any argumentative nature between and among the jurors, that to me was a sign that we were going to get guilt on all three, of course, you never know because there are unusual verdicts. we've seen it before in big cases and small cases. i've seen it. we tried a case against a guy responsible for terrorist actions in africa. he got convicted on one count. very powerful case. you never know. given all those factors, it was not ultimately a surprise to me because the case was so strong. >> laura, for you seeing derek chauvin out in hand cuffs, what was that like? >> we also saw led off in handcuffs and that was george floyd and had he been led off with the same level of dignity der derek chauvin was afforded with

the process of a trial and due process, we wouldn't be here today. when you think about all it would have taken to not be where we are right now, all it would have taken, the idea of leading a man not putting him in a prone position, not manipulating his handcuffs, not pressing your knee to his neck, not ignoring the trying to get him off the neck, derek chauvin would not have been led away today. and i go back to what you talked about at the beginning that omar jimenez said. if we didn't have this videotape, this would have come down to a medical incident. he would remain nameless and not somebody's name that would be the first thing that the closing began with. remember, they said his name was george p. floyd born october 14th, 1973. this began and ended with somebody having the ability to say the name, to be able to be led off with dignity and that was denied and we saw what it looks like when you get the opportunity in a court of law. >> chief ramsey, a statement

like that, the initial statement from police, how does that get written and put out? who decides that? >> well, unfortunately, that's what happens. what they had was a written report from chauvin and other officers there. a good friend of mine used to always say the first story is never going to wind up being the actual story. you know, facts are going to change which that's why you have investigations and to put out a statement that strong as if you have knowledge of what actually occurred is a mistake because you wait until you've got an investigation into the matter. >> you obviously spent a career in law enforcement, most notably in d.c. and philadelphia, what did you take away from today? >> well, you know, i kind of go back to the prosecution's closing arguments when he said something that really struck me this isn't an anti police trial, it's a propolice trial and i

think about all the officers, many of which i know, knew personally that died in the line of duty, killed in the line of duty. officers that serve every day with honor and this supports them. it supports what they do every single day. they don't want to see guys like derek chauvin in the department. >> but you believe the system itself needs to change? >> well, there is no question it needs to be reform. this is an opportunity. it would be a huge mistake if after this we take a sigh of relief and say okay, things are getting better. no, this is one case, one incident we still have to continue to push towards reform. i would argue not just in policing. the entire criminal justice system needs to be reviewed. a comprehensive review of the entire system hasn't been done in decades and it's time. we'll start with the police but it shouldn't start and end there. we're just one part of a much larger system. >> do you agree with that? both of you have a lot of

experience -- >> i have to paraphase the late great justice ruth ginsburg. you don't stop with the pursuit of justice because you've achieved a little bit of it. this is a very important day but what under lined this case? this grand v. conner decision, the reasonableness of force and how we judge it through the lens of an officer, this is a theory that until now had not been largely tested by a lot of prosecutors who are afraid to overcome the hurdle to say you gi give an officer the benefit of the doubt because of the split decisions they have to make. we don't have monday morning quarter backs but this was 9 minutes, 29 seconds, not a split second among them. if you judge every officer involved excessive force case on

the premise of a split second and extend the benefit of the doubt giving them carte blanche, you will never see the change and put away that umbrella and get wet in every single downpour. >> do you see , i mean, real change coming from this? >> i do. i think the memory of george floyd in the video is sereared the brains of every american and saw the protest of each year. i have a worry for what lawura said in this case the proper verdict was reached in my view and you have a guilty verdict on all three couples a lot of people breathe a sigh of relief. i'm one of those people. you worry on the part of some folks that don't like change point to that and say the system worked. there is one bad apple. the police chief testified against him. the longest serving police chief temperature testified against him. we can deal with bad apples. now that the trial is over and

the sustapense is over and that was a strong case and to judge the success of the system based on the guilty verdicts in the case doesn't seem to be right even though it is true that it seems justice is not often gotten in cases like this which is what makes it special. what is weird about the system, this verdict today shouldn't seem special because it was really preordained in my view if it was prosecuted and it was by the facts of the case. it was not a split second decision but 9 and a half minutes on the neck of george floyd. we should take relief in the verdict but i hope it doesn't slow people down. >> chief ramsey, i mean, that's why what you said was so important that this is not just, you know, the few bad apples, an argument you're making, this are many vast majority of police are not like derek chauvin in any

way. but that the system itself is bigger than just the police officers. >> yeah, i mean, you know, if you see a lot of bad apples lying on the ground, at some point you have to look at the tree. there are systemic issues that have to be addressed. they won't be fixed overnight, no question about that. there is a ray of hope. the president of the national f.o.p. -- >> fraternal order of police. >> came out and said last ever l -- listen, when we looked at this we knew it wasn't right. that by itself that may seem small to some people but i've been dealing with unions for a long time and believe me, i ran into some that never saw a police officer do anything wrong and it's very difficult to take disciplinary action against a police officer. at some point in time we have to work together to rid our ranks of those people who do not belong. i'm proud to have been an officer, a member of law enforcement for as long as i have. i'm a little over 50 years and i've seen the good in police,

but there is a dark side, too. and we have to look at that and we have to figure out how do we -- how do we correct that? how do we deal with people who just have no business with a badge and gun. if he hadn't been convicted, he could have gone to his union and they could have taken the case to arbitration for him to be rehired. >> just in terms of what the other three officers, they are going to be facing trial together in august, does this change anything for their case? >> well, i think it changes how people will make predictions about that case. if chauvin had been either acquitted or there was a mistrial, you know, he's charged with a higher level offense, that would tell you that maybe those three officers have more of a fighting chance. i think this shows you that there are jurors in the community who, you know, when presented evidence by extremely, extremely competent prosecutors can get a conviction but the jury that's going to be picked in the next trial will be asked a lot of questions about how

familiar they are with the chauvin trial, whether they can be fair. people that might be affected by this first trial where there is a guilty verdict, if the system works properly and it doesn't always should be screened out of the next trial. so as a legal matter, it shouldn't make a difference. >> thanks. we'll come back to our team here shortly. coming up next, what it was like actually inside the courtroom when the verdict was read and later, congresswoman val demings bearing george floyd's name.

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here for many, many, many months almost a year taking care of the square. on my right, there is come muni meetings that happened every day, what the law is when you're out protesting or sometimes how to tend the garden and i'll bring you through to give you a long at it now because i know, anderson, you remember what it looked like back in may, after may 25th when it started to be built. it has grown into, you know, a whole square truly. if you look, if i can come through here and i apologize. if you look into the square, that is a community garden built by a couple different people and then the whole community pitched in and keep that up. this was an interenintersectione way. none of that was here, the fist and all the posters and art have been brought over time to show their support, not on for george floyd but for a merbery and brea

taylor. that is what everyone remembers, the george floyd memorial there. i want to take you around and show you the cup foods that just a few feet ahead of me and i'll see if i can sneak through here, apologize. i'll sneak through here and show you a site that a lot of people come to see. if you look just beyond that sign, you'll see the outline of where george floyd's body was. maybe it's easier for you to see here. many people come here to stand in front of that, to pray in front of that, to bring flowers. you see the flowers there. there is even a greenhouse just beyond it where they grow flowers so they can replace these flowers. so that's the scene here. it is more of a scene of relief and as, you know, as some of the family members said relief and relief and you can tell people are very calm. they are very -- some of them are very thankful for the

verdicts that came out and this is a peaceful gathering of people that recognize that they look at the justice system and say okay, in their minds, that the justice system got it right this time. anderson? >> the people you spoke to today who were there, how were they surp surprised at the verdict? >> reporter: you know, it's interesting. i've asked a lot of people that question, did it surprise you or did you feel like you thought you knew what was coming? for many folks, they said they wouldn't have been surprised if it had been not guilty because so many times when it comes to police officers versus the public and particularly black men, it isn't guilty. so this time it really was more of a feeling of relief. they knew there was a possibility because of the length of the time the jury was out, the jury was out just over ten hours and there was no questions and there was video and that video really in people's minds, they couldn't see any other way around it.

they couldn't see anyone seeing another explanation for what happened to george floyd and the jury decide that is what happened to him, he was murdered and that's why they came back with a guilty verdict on all three counts. if there are activating factors in the next phase of this, derek chauvin, the former police officer that used to wear a badge can be in prison for 75 years or that's the maximum amount of time and it is unlikely often you would get that in a case like this but the potential amount of time he could spend in prison. >> sara sidner, appreciate it. of the many reactions today from the teenager that recorded the cell phone video of derek chauvin kneeling on george floyd's neck posting it on facebook igniting the protest and testified at the trooial. this is what she posted, i just cried so hard. this last hour my heart was

beating so fast, answexiety busg through the roof but guilty on all three charges, thank you god, thank you, thank you, thank you. george floyd we did it. justice has been served. governor tim walls. thanks for being with us. two days after george floyd was killed, you -- humanity, what is your reaction to the verdict today? >> well, thanks, anderson for having me on and thanks for darnell la frasier. the humanity on the side of george floyd square and taking that video is maybe the only reason derek chauvin will go to prison. so i'd like to say it was a sense of relief but i feel very strongly that this was a very small first step. when you were asking folks what they expected of this, if you asked white minnesotans they thought it would be a

conviction. black residents showed history showed it wouldn't be. we ankeranked near the top of w being, homeownership unless you're black and that's laid bear to the world and for many of us, it's a feeling like this happened, now the work begins. >> it is that stark if you're right, it's one existence. if you're black it's another. >> yeah, this is the north. this is progressive minnesota and the home of hubert h humphr and we rank. we have the highest life expectancies and homeownership but dising a gate that we're at the bottom and most white minnesotans don't know that. they see a quality of life that seems really good and don't see what we're leaving behind and it starts before birth. it starts with black mothers dying at childbirth at a rate that's unacceptable. it's not just minnesota's issue but minnesota was laid bare

because if you don't fix these things, you end up with george floyd being killed and daunte wright being killed. they're not going to get a lot more chances at this. you see what poured into the streets and you'll see as governor being prepared of what might have happened had this not been a guilty verdict like most of us thought and knew it should be is terrifying and that's because of this anger. we can't continue to live like this. we need to fix these things. >> i understand you spoke with president biden after the verdict. would you mind sharing details of that? >> sure, i think most of us who know president biden, he's a man of comp paassion and empathy. i was a sense of relief but i was glad to hear him say, whatever you need, we need to fix this. what he means is we can't have black children excelled at a rate at ten times more than white or not graduating or homeownership and the things that make life worth living and the things we aspire to and the president expressing that concern and to be honest, anderson, he and i both

expressed a sense of relief because i feared for our country not just minneapolis but across the country had what all of us knew needed to happen wouldn't have. so i'm grateful to keith ellison, the great attorney general and i'm greatful again, ms. fraser and the witnesses had to relive the horror over and over and over again and they did it and i'm grateful. >> it interesting to hear you talk about the stark reality' i talk about the stark realitys i talk about the stark reality in which race is the dividing line of success and where you are on, you know, on the happiness index in minnesota if you're at the top or bottom or income or health inequalitinequalities, y hear a lot of governors of states talking about that division in their state. how do you -- and i know your lieutenant governor peggy flanagan tweeted i'm grappling with the stark reality minnesota it not safe to be black and this

is the essence of an emergency we have. how does change come not just in minnesota but elsewhere? how do you make white america see what you're seeing? >> well, the lieutenant governor speaks from personal reality. she's the first indigenous woman to be elected to executive office in this country as a member of the white earth so she has a reality that differs from a white man and i think we are very proud and here it probably more stark than anyplace else because it truly is in many cases from first to 50th. depending on where you're at. it is again, i'd say it the insidious form that people just don't see it and there is this thing that we don't want to talk about. it my responsibility to do this. i understand what this privilege looks like. i understand what the potential here looks like, but i also understand is if we leave people behind all of us will go down. when you have these types of income inequalities, education

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as we bring you live images of the crowds, we got breaking news to report shortly after the verdict was read guilty on all counts, derek chauvin was r transferred to a correctional facility. so josh, take us back to that moment the guilty verdict was read by the judge in the court. what did you see? >> reporter: anderson, most people will never step foot inside a courtroom, thankfully and so, you know, to describe how serious an atmosphere it is on any day, is warranted. this day especially i could tell you i've never been in a room where the tension was so pap lble and certainly was from

beginning to end. everyone in there focused on what was about to take place. now for his part, chauvin sat in front of me and his attorney, as well, just fixated down on the ground shochauvin staring. at one point he tried to get his attention and almost couldn't snap him out of the because and realized his attorney was trying to talk to him but pondering the fate that was to come for him from the jury. one of the most emotional moments in that courtroom today came from george floyd's brother. philonise seated to my right spent almost the entire hearing in prayer from beginning to end and at one point he looked at derek chauvin, at another point derek chauvin turned back and looked towards his him but for most part, he spent the hearing praying and when those verdicts were read guilty, guilty, guilty. fpilonise had his hands in prayer and started shaking. i caught up with him and asked

him what were you praying for? he was praying chauvin would be found guilty and his words, this is so powerful, as an african-american we never get justice. after that rereceived a phone call from president biden and vice president kamala harris and i listened to a very moving point there where biden brought up george floyd's daughter gianna and said that phrase, biden says i can't stop thinking about geeiagianna saying daddy going to change the world. a trial we've been fixated on so much we have a resolution, guilty on all three counts. >> appreciate it. joining us is value demings, more than two dozen years experience as a police officer. con congress woman demings, thanks for joining us. justice prevailed but this is not a happy day.

can you talk about what your feelings are tonight? >> well, anderson, as you've mentioned, i spent 27 years at the orlando police department and had the honor of seconding as the chief of police and working in the criminal justice system for that long, with this trial we all said we wanted justice and today, justice was served. but due to the actions of a police officer, actions were inhumane and egregious and disgraceful and deadly due to this former officer's actions, george floyd lost his life and were it not for those actions, george floyd would be alive and so justice was served today. justice prevailed. that's the good thing but what makes this day not a happy one is that george floyd lost his life while in police custody. >> you know, we're talking to

chief charles ramsey who we have here onset who is talking about how, you know, there are systemic problems and not just with police but in the criminal justice system and, you know, our lawmakers, our society needs to take a long and hard and serious look and revisit and rethink an awful lot about our criminal justice system. do you see that as possible? is there -- >> you know, anderson, i do. it's not just in the criminal justice system. i think it's in all systems. you know, we talk about holding america to its promise as it pertains to law enforcement and we will do that. you know, this week seeing the police chief, the lieutenant, the training officer, all testify that that's not our policy nor is it our ethics and values, that's a good start so that's a road map for other police officers to follow to step up and do the right thing. so as we deal with policing, whether it's through legislation

george floyd justice and policing act, working on looking at policies and other initiatives, i've talked to chiefs and sheriffs and asked them to fix their own brokenness. don't wait for legislation. fix your own brokenness however we need to look at discrimination in all systems and have to deal with poverty and have to deal with high unemployment rates, low wages. we have to deal with substandard education. we must deal with drug addiction and mental illness until we get serious about those quality of life issues. fixing systemic issues i

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