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[ applause ] i never imagined that i'd be standing here, the roles should completely be reversed. my son should be burying me. >> daunte wright is survived by a young son. it is haunting to think that, one day, someone may have to give him the same advice his father got about surviving encounters with police. according to polling from pew research, 84% of black-adults said in dealing with police, black people are generally treated less fairly than whites. a substantial majority of white adults, 63%, agreed. the polling was down in 2019, before the killings of george floyd, breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery, and, of course, daupt wright. but the perception was there in 2019 and it's been there for generations. and so has the reality. quoting now from a study

published by the national academy of sciences, quote, black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. spanning more than a decade, through 2019, officers not only stopped black drivers at higher rates than white drivers. their analysis suggests that police require less suspicion to search them. the authors caution that their methods have limits and that more study is called for. that said, even some police officials acknowledge the problem with perception and reality. >> we have to deal with the history. you know? there is a long history in our nation of -- of -- and reasons to mistrust. and we -- we -- we can't just brush that aside. and pretend that it didn't exist. and part of this process is a reckoning and a reconciliation, if you will, of that -- those things. and, you know, it -- when people say, you know, that's the past. no, the past and the future

are -- are -- and the present are connected. >> there is history, and it is disturbing. and there is in the present, now. which includes, alongside with daunte wright, the names george floyd, ma'khia bryant, whose killing is still being investigated. and andrew brown jr., who was shot and killed wednesday by sheriff's deputies executing a search warrant. that present includes a justice department investigation into the minneapolis police, the trial of three our officers, the sentencing of derek chauvin and the trial of kim potter who shot and killed daunte wright. each of these threads is unique, each of these people are unique. not every killing, as tragic as they all are, may turn out to be unjustified. however, they all raise the same question. is justice being served equally in black and white america? first, daunte wright's funeral, and cnn's miguel marquez. ♪ oh, freedom, oh, freedom ♪

>> reporter: daunte wright, 20 years old. his parents, barely, able to say good-bye. >> i never imagined that i'd be standing here. the roles should completely be reversed. my son should be burying me. >> words can't even explain how i feel right now. you know, that was my son. >> reporter: wright, father of one, was shot and killed by former-brooklyn center police officer, kim potter, who has since resigned and been charged with second-degree manslaughter. his death, a call for equal justice. >> how did officer potter see daunte wright? but more importantly, how does america see our children? because if she saw your child, katie, like she saw her child, then i do not think she would've

even reached for a taser. much less, a gun. because when they see their children, they see their future. >> reporter: two of daunte wright's six siblings spoke about the brother, whose life was only beginning. >> i didn't really get enough time with him. i wish i got enough. i didn't get to tell him i loved him before he left. >> i was so proud of the man that he was becoming. and he was gonna make an amazing father to junior. >> reporter: the service, part funeral, part rally for other african-americans, dead, at the hands of law enforcement. >> george floyd's family. breonna taylor's boyfriend, kenny walker, is present here with us. philando castile's mother is present here. >> reporter: a call for policing and justice reform, everywhere.

minnesota's governor and both senators attended. >> we must be steadfast in our accountability to change, from the top to the bottom, and not rest until we create a different future for daunte wright's son and every-other child like him. >> it is time for washington, d.c. to move forward, on police reform. and pass the george floyd justice in policing act. we must make policing more accountable. we have to change police training and standards, including banning choke holds. >> reporter: a final good-bye to daunte wright. a window of hope, that real change may, finally, be possible. >> and miguel marquez joins us, now. i'm wondering what the mood in the community is tonight, after daunte wright's funeral? >> look. minneapolis has been whiplashed

by protests over the last-two weeks. the -- the verdicts in the chauvin trial just a couple of days ago seem to sort of calm things, a lot. and daunte wright being laid to rest, today. out here in front of the brooklyn center police department, much calmer. national guard are gone. they put up new fencing. the people who are here aren't so much protesting, as they are just gathering to sort of sort through what they have been through for the last couple of weeks. and hope that the future will start to look a little brighter when it comes to equality in policing and justice. anderson. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. thank you. we mentioned jonathan mason at the top of the program. the advice he gave daunte wright. he joins us, now. jonathan, you attended daunte's funeral. i can't imagine what that experience was like for you. >> it was a very unique experience. obviously, on the heels of the george floyd verdict. and also, knowing daunte, it was -- it was mixed emotions.

but today, i -- you know, it was -- it was good to -- a good feeling to feel like all of us were on the same page. i believe that, you know, justice is, potentially, gonna come from minnesota, in a sweeping way. >> you know, it's -- it's one thing to -- to -- to know this as an issue. to know this as something which happens. it's another thing to know somebody, who you have had conversations with about police and about the possibility of this. to know somebody who actually does end up getting killed. when you heard the news about what had happened to him, what -- what -- how did you deal with that? >> well, ironically, i was at an -- another protest for another group, that were protesting murders against their family members. and i got about-300 calls. and i've been fighting for justice in minnesota, for a long time, so i know what that kind of means.

and all the students were calling me. and saying, oh, somebody got killed over in brooklyn center. so, i immediately rush from that event, over to brooklyn center. and i -- and i was saying, you know, what's going on? who's -- who's in control of the scene? i was talking to police. and one of the students that played on the basketball team with daunte called me. and said, you know that's daunte, right? you're out there fighting for right now. and it hit me like a -- a -- a train. and my -- my heart went into my stomach. and i said, daunte? no way. all of the conversations that we used to have about this stuff. and -- and -- and it was -- and it was him laying on the ground. and i was, you know -- i was mixed with emotions that day, anderson. >> what -- what -- what were those conversations like with daunte, that you had? >> you know, like you stated, previously, i -- i would tell him to put your hands on top of your -- or put your hands on top of the wheel, if you ever were to be pulled over.

and the sad thing about it is, anderson, is that i do this, day in and day out, with kids in minneapolis. i was -- i'm a man of color. biracial, black and white. and i had to deal with it in minnesota. and i had many close calls, where my life was on the line. if i made one-slight move or if i did the wrong thing. so, i would teach kids, and tell them this. that, your life could be lost, and no one might be able to be responsible for it. or there won't be any consequences, if a police officer does it. and so, all of those -- all of those emotions, all of those conversations, rush back to me. and it just -- it hurt me because this is the reality being black, in america. >> you know, the officer has been charged. police have said that she thought she was using her -- her taser. she is charged with second-degree manslaughter. what is justice, in this, for you? >> for -- you know, you hear a lot of people talking about -- i went to the funeral today and i

listened to ben crump and al sharpton. and many of us say it's just accountability, right now. and, you know, for, you know, in minnesota, we have so many killings. the disparities are so high. we had justine who was killed, a white woman from australia. and i was one of the first people on the scene fighting for her. but the officer, mohammed noor, in that case, was charged with third-degree murder. so, when we heard about the second-degree manslaughter. i'm like, well, daunte is a human just like justine and we have to have equal justice under the law. and i'm not asking for her to be charged significantly more than mohammed noor but at least the same. and so, that's where we are all at in the state of minnesota. we want the charges to be elevated for kimberly potter. and i don't believe minnesota's going to stop until we get that. >> what was daunte like? >> he was such a joyful, spunky, young man. i helped get him on the

basketball team over at edison high school. me and the coach are really good friends. so we would work day in and day out, make sure he got his homework in. he would -- you know, he was the kid that everybody looked up to. one of the cool kids in school. and so, you know, re -- rehashing all these stories and hearing about, you know, all the people and the relationships they had with him. it was the -- a main consensus on who he was. and -- and to see him go, in that manner, and it was just -- and i watched the tape. and i just was thinking to myself. no, stop. please, no. i'd rather him just, you know, get a ticket or get a fine. and or whatever the case may be. and, you know, and it hurts me. so at this moment, you know, the reality is, we have a lot of work to do in minnesota. >> jonathan mason, i appreciate you joining us on this difficult day. thank you. now, to columbus, ohio, and the killing of 16-year-old ma'khia bryant as she seemed to

lunge at another young woman with a knife in her hand. as you know, police quickly released body-cam video of the incident. nicholas reardon. he was hired in december, 2019. he's been taken off street duty pen pending further investigation, as is normal in a situation like this. the president of the local police union has offered condolences to the family. cnn's jason carroll is in columbus for us, tonight. so, jason, you spoke with ma'khia bryant's mother today, paula bryant, what did she say? >> well, anderson, as you can imagine, it was very painful. very emotional interview. bryant's mother made it very clear, to us, that the reason why she sat down with us is because she doesn't want the narrative, going forward, to be about the altercation or about the officer who fired the fatal shots. in fact, she made it clear that she did not want to focus on that. what she does want to focus on, at this point, is the memory of her daughter. >> she was taken from me. she was taken from me.

>> what would you like people to know about your daughter? >> i want the world to know that ma'khia was beautiful. she was humble. she loved to look after people. she loved her brothers and sisters. she wanted everybody to get along. she was a christian. she loved the lord. i'm just hurting. and i wish ma'khia was still here with me, my baby. i -- i wish she was still here. i wish i could hug and kiss her. again. and i can't.

i can't hug my baby. i'm hurting. i loved her. >> did -- did she say what she hopes to see happen, in the coming days? >> well, yes. i mean, we talked a little about that. looking ahead. you know, anderson, i asked her if she was looking for any sort of legal accountability. if she was looking for justice, in any form. and she took a deep breath. and she paused. and she basically said, at this point, she is just simply going to put it into god's hands. anderson. >> jason carroll, appreciate it. thanks. still to come tonight. we have got breaking news out of north carolina. police shooting involving a black man, while officers said they were trying to serve a search warrant. we will have a live report including details on what they were searching for. and later, a stark reminder of the importance of masks, distancing, and vaccinations. still, as a massive, new study

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breaking news tonight in north carolina. sheriff deputies shot and killed a black man while attempting to serve an arrest warrant, wednesday. a warrant involving felony-drug charges. authorities say andrew brown jr. was shot in his car not far from his home. cnn's brian todd is in elizabeth city for us tonight. so what more do we know about this shooting? in particular, the status of police body-camera footage? >> well, anderson, authorities here have decided for the moment, they are not releasing that body-camera footage. the local-district attorney and the county attorney issued a statement not too long ago saying that under north carolina law, this is not public record. and without a court order, they can't release it. that's not saying they are never going to release it but they are saying right now, they don't feel like they can, under the law. we have protestors here walking in the intersection in elizabeth city. some protestors holding a line down there, trying to disrupt business. we have another line of protestors holding a line over here.

and i am going to speak to one of them, now. his name is kirk rivers, he is a community leader. he's been organizing these protests. kirk, if you could, first, give us a response to the district attorney and that decision you and i talked about where they don't feel like, under the law, they can release that body-cam footage? what is your response to that? >> our response is release the information. it's our taxpayers that have funded the cameras. if there's something, release it. so that way, we know what goes on -- or come out and talk to us. we are here taking over four blocks right now. no one's going because we just want people to come out and talk to us. and then, let us know, what is taking place. the district attorney and the sheriff. if there is a law, that does not prohibit them from coming out and talking to us. and letting us know what is taking place and what is going on. but we are now drawing our own conclusion. we feel, because of past

troubles and past lies that we've received from the justice system, we don't trust 'em. we feel that, if you are a 24 hour, 4 -- you are getting your story together to present to us. come out. if there was nothing wrong, they would release it right now. but if they trying to cover up something. so that's why we are here now. every night, last night, tonight, we've asked sheriff wooten, please, come out. you are an elected official. come out, as a sheriff, as the elected official, and tell us what's going on. what is your plan, to bring about a change? to bring the community together? or are you just going to continue to let us assume what took place? that you are trying to do a coverup? and that's -- that's what the body cameras are there for. body cameras are to let us know, give us both sides of what they see. but if there was nothing wrong, release the information. if there was something wrong, release the information. that's what we're asking.

that's what we're standing and the people that we have on every intersection, from here for half-a-mile down. that's what we're standing for. we are holding the back line here because we want justice for andrew brown. his family wants to know what's going on. and that's what i'm sup eupset the district attorney and the sheriff for not coming and explaining and releasing to them. so they can try to begin to have closure. >> we appreciate you talking to us, kirk. and we appreciate you coming out and being so candid about your opinion about this. and like -- like you, hopefully, we are hoping that some of that body-camera footage gets released, too. thank you very much for talking with us. all right. >> so they have a strategy here, anderson. they want to block some businesses and some intersections here. and they are going to do this, they say, every night until they get that footage, until they get more answers. but right now, the sheriff's department is not really inclined to want to release that under law, they say. >> so, brian -- >> we are going to see if that court order comes in the next

couple days. >> have officials said, one way or another, if mr. brown was armed? because there's been some confusion about that. >> we have talked to several family members of andrew brown, who say that he never carried any firearms. they believe, strongly, he was not armed because he never carried weapons. several family members have told us that, and representatives of the family have told us that, anderson. there is no indication, at this point, and the sheriff did post a statement online, a short time ago, saying nothing about whether he was armed or not. so, at this moment, every piece of information we have indicates that he was not armed. >> all right. well, remains -- obviously, more information would be helpful. brian todd, we appreciate that. mistrust of the police. you heard from the gentleman talking to brian, the community leader there. leads us to our next guest. patrick skinner is a violent crimes detective in georgia. he's written a new op-ed for "the washington post." i am a cop, the chauvin verdict is a message for me and my

colleagues. to say that the system worked. chauvin was found guilty by a jury of his peers and that a bad apple was sent to jail. no longer around to rot the bunch. again, this is true but it is also irrelevant. a nation so tense about a single trial, so uncertain about what was going to happen, is a nation in desperate need of much more. officer patrick skinner joins me, now. officer skinner, thank you so much. i really -- i really found what you wrote really interesting. and eye opening. it was interesting, just listening to that. to the community leader. the gentleman speaking. clearly, the distrust, based on history, and even recent history, is very real. and i'm sure, you and other police officers see that all the time. how does one overcome that distrust? because not -- not every, you know, some shootings are -- they're all tragic. some are justified, given the circumstances that are happening. and how can people -- i mean,

police have to be able to police, and people have to feel safe in their communities from police. >> yeah. thank you for having me. it's an incredibly tense time. and it's -- it's -- it's a time, where this has been a long-time coming. it feels like it's so imminent but it's been imminent for a long time. it's just, this is the latest at some point. but at some point, we have to have that point. and hopefully, this is it. how do we build that trust? every single day. and it has to be by small measures, every day. do the right thing. and then, do it again, tomorrow. every city right now is one video away from a protest. and that's the truth. the best cities. i mean, i doubt that kenosha, last year, thought that they would have a riot. i doubt that elizabeth city thought that they would have a protest today. and so, every city, every police department, every community, every neighborhood, is one-video away. and that means that something is systemically wrong, and has been for a very long time. >> you know, there -- in years past, there weren't these

cameras. and so, i -- you know, it's unclear -- clearly, there were -- there were a lot of incidents which occurred in the past, which were never seen. which you never heard about. and people didn't have the information. or it was known, locally, in a community. but it didn't have a national audience. you wrote about, in the past, you sort of felt -- you said i believe i was wrong for sometime about not taking this personally. i have often told myself to not take well-deserved criticism of police misconduct and crime personally because, as a police officer, i am responsible, i was not personally responsible. and then, you weptnt on to writi now don't think that is enough. at least for me. i have to be offended. i have to be outraged. and i have to act. what does that lead you to? >> it means, to me, that i thought everything through a professional lens. i -- i -- i said, you know, i wasn't to blame. and therefore, i am just going to do my job the best i can and try to make small change. i am still trying to make small

change, every day, every encounter. i'm not going to miss an opportunity, an act of kindness, act of connection, actually. but it's -- i think i had it wrong and i think i had it backwards. i think that i need to take it personally. i think every police officer needs to take it personally and i think every american needs to take it personally. that means to be outraged. it has to be an uncomfortable feeling, like this is unacceptable. as to what we just saw in the clip before this, it's not made up. this isn't coming from nowhere. this is -- you know, the weariness, the exhaustion, the anger. this is not made up. and just because i, personally, haven't done anything wrong doesn't mean that i'm not part of the problem. and it's, you know, i have to admit that. and -- and so, when i say act, i mean i have to do my job the best way i know how. i have to slow down. i have to give my neighbors the benefit of the doubt. i have to put their safety above mine. i think most police officers do that. but we see, when they don't, and we should cover that. but -- but i -- but if that's the way we change the profession

is if -- if we, personally, change. >> you know, we have seen incidents where there have been officer-involved shootings. somebody has died. and, you know, when you see the body-camera footage, it -- it's happened so quickly. and it's, often, situations where -- i mean, it's a split-second decision. and officers not making split-second decisions because, sometimes, other lives may be lost in that balance? civilian lives, officer lives. so, there is a lot of focus on training and what that may mean and what that may look like. is there something, in training? you know, chief ramsey, who is analyst at cnn, was talking about, you know, some police departments don't teach even the history of policing so that officers don't -- don't have a sense of what has occurred, before in terms of relations between the police and -- and the community. and -- and which, probably, leads to a lot of the mistrust that there is today. >> i agree.

i mean, some issues are immediate. some issues are life or death. if you come up on a scene and someone has a knife and they are trying to stab something, that is not the time for deescalation. you might be able to say drop the knife, twice, before somebody's getting stabbed. so that's not -- that's not what i am talking about because what i am talking about is 99% of the other cases. i can't control those life or death. i can control what i can do and that's slowing down. i agree with chief ramsey. knowing the history of policing in america, and it's an ugly history for a large part of it. but also, not just that. but knowing your local-community history because every community, every neighborhood, has their own struggles. every family. you can just -- there is a book in every neighborhood and it's incumbent upon -- like you should know your beat and if you work for a city's police officer -- police department. you should know that history. >> patrick skinner, i really appreciate talking to you and i really appreciate what you wrote because i just think it's really important that we all, as part of society, reflect on our own actions and our own way of thinking and our own way of seeing. and i think it's really

valuable. so, patrick skinner, thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> and thank you for what you do. coming up next. more breaking news and perhaps the best argument yet for getting your covid shot. a new study finds even mild infection substantially increases your risk of death once you recover. medical professionals join us with details.

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breaking news, tonight, that speaks loudly and clearly to the

need to prevent even-mild cases of covid. a new study from washington university in st. louis, the largest to date of people who have had the virus, shows between one and six months after getting sick, survivors had a 60% greater risk of death, compared to people who had never been infected. what's more, even a mild infection was no guarantee against higher risk because the study has such potential importance, especially with vaccinations now starting to taper off. we are glad to be joined tonight by cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. and dr. leana wen, former-baltimore health commissioner. so, sanjay, the study also found that patients with covid had 20%-greater chance of needing more medical care over the six months after their diagnosis, as well as more medications. what is it about covid that could be causing this? >> well, anderson, first of all, i think you said it, already. which is that, you don't want to get this infection. you don't want this virus because we are learning more and more about it. predominantly, that even though

we referred to it as a respiratory virus, it affects just about every organ system in the body. i was looking at this paper published in nature. they talk about the respiratory system, but also the nervous system, strokes, mental health, anxiety and depression. metabolism. people developing new onset of diabetes. heart failure. acute-kidney injury. coagulation problems. they are seeing lots of different problems. this virus seems to affect the -- the body, in ways that we just don't think of with typical-respiratory viruses. it was interesting. in the study, they even said, okay. let's compare this population of people, also, with regard to flu. and with flu, typically, you know, symptoms, while they may linger for a while. you don't see this degree of -- of morbidity, six-months out, after somebody's been infected. so, i -- i -- you know, we don't know. we're still leashrning a lot abt this virus, in terms of what exactly it's doing in the body. but i think one of the things the authors really point out is that you got 30 million people confirmed to have had the infection. it could be double-triple that. you know, because we haven't

tested all these people. and we have to think about the burgeoning, sort of, health crisis this is going to cause for, you know, years to come as a result. people, as you point out, who even had mild symptoms, that still have those symptoms, really, persist. >> dr. wen, i mean, this was a study looked at veteran administration records that primarily involved men. so obviously, more needs to be learned about women in the long-term effects of covid, as well as if different variants cause different long-term symptoms. are any therapeutics in the works to help people who are suffering from these long-term health problems? >> well, i hope that there are. and there is some studies ongoing. but actually, the -- the treatment options for people with long-haul covid are pretty limited and they are pretty limited, basically, to symptomatic treatment. meaning as sanjay was saying, if you have depression, you get anti-depressants. if you have kidney issues, you get treated for those, specific issues. but there is some news that, maybe, the vaccine, itself, may reduce some of the symptoms of long-haul covid, which is really

interesting. but i also think that there is a broader point here, which is the importance of vaccination, period. i -- i am hearing, more and more people say, well, what's the big deal with covid? i'm not that old. i don't have underlying problems. i'm probably not going to die if i get coronavirus. true. but you could still have these lingering symptoms that last for many months. that affect so many of your other body systems. that is the reason to get one of these vaccines that's safe and effective and prevents these terrible, long-term consequences from occurring. >> and, sanjay, there is some news tonight of another fatal blood clot, potentially. and we stress potentially linked to the johnson & johnson vaccine. involves a woman in her 50s who lived in oregon. and just, again, to keep this in context, of course, these events are very rare. i believe it was six-initial incidents. this would be a seventh if, in fact, it does bear out. the cdc advisory committee on immunization meets tomorrow to review more data on the j&j vaccine. what -- what -- how is this going to impact it? what do you expect to happen? >> well, you know, one thing to

keep in mind is that part of the delay here was to see if there were more patients that would actually -- they would find. that -- that developed these blood clots in response to the vaccine. as you point out, we are not sure about this woman in oregon, as of now. but i think the question that we are trying to ask is was this sort of finding a needle in a haystack? or what they were seeing, was that more the tip of the iceberg? as you point out, anderson, it's rare. it's still rare. maybe, there is a couple more people who have developed this but not significant numbers. don't know what they are going to sort of recommend tomorrow as part of this advisory committee. it's likely, if you look at what happened in europe. europe medicine association agency, they basically said we are going to put a caution with this. but we're not going to say that certain people should take it or not take it. perhaps, if you have had a history of low platelets or blood-clotting problems in the past. then, this caution would apply to you. but that's likely what's going to happen. i don't think they are going to get rid of the vaccine, altogether.

and i don't think they're, you know, necessarily going to limit it to certain people, either. >> dr. wen, you know, the -- is -- is -- you one of the things when i have talked to and interviewed people for stories on -- who have long covid or long-hauler symptoms, after having mild cases, weren't even hospitalized initially. but six months, eight months, a year later, are still in pain with a variety of things. brain fog. covid fog, as they call it. and other things. they are often told, well, you know, it's in your head. there is a lot of -- there's some people who doubt that what they have is actually real. that it's just some sort of a symptom. or a syndrome. does this study kind of put the -- the end to that? >> i think there is a lot of evidence that long-haul covid is real. i just think it's really challenging to know, exactly, how to define long-haul covid. as in let's say that you are in the hospital for a prolonged period of time. when you leave the hospital, you are deconditioned. you need to -- it takes time to get all those things that went

wrong with your body, with your kidneys potentially. with your gastrointestinal system to get back on track. there are lingering effects just from being very ill. but then, there are people who are not that sick. who have mild symptoms who still have these overall-body symptoms and i think that's what we really need to get more information about. and i also think we need better treatments, in general. we also need treatments, very critically, to prevent these mild cases from becoming severe cases. and that kind of outpatient treatment is really not there, right now. and i think a lot more research needs to go into not just the vaccines, which are fantastic that we have them. but also, treatments for patients, too. >> dr. wen. sanjay gupta. >> one more thing. i just add, you know, one thing with the authors writing this paper. six months out. a lot of times doctors may think this has nothing to do with a covid infection that you had that was a mild one, six months earlier. this is a reminder, i think, to clinicians and patients, alike. look. if you have had covid, even many months ago, pay attention to those symptoms, down the line.

>> sanjay, i saw this week that you had been at cnn for 20 years. is that right? >> i have, yes. >> that's amazing. that's so incredible. >> i know. it's like no one thought i'd last this long. so, i appreciate the congratulations. >> you -- you -- you look as youthful as you did 20 years ago. of course, my eyes -- my eyes have gotten so bad, over the last 20 years, i might be wrong about that. so, sanjay, thank you. >> appreciate the caveat. >> congratulations. dr. wen as well. next, the push for voting rights legislation. the push back and how a remarkable exchange between a republican senator and georgia politician stacey abrams played out during the hearings. >> tell me, specifically, just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote. that shorten the federal run-off period from nine weeks to four weeks. restrict the time a voter can request an absentee-ballot

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police reform bill, democrats are also trying to push two major bills. could not have asked for a, well, better exchange during their hearing. it's quite remarkable. we are going to play a chunk of it. here. >> tell me, specifically, just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote. that shorten the federal run-off period from nine weeks to four weeks, would restrict the time a voter can request and return an absentee-ballot application. >> our -- our audio is not real good here. >> requires that voter have photo identification or some other form of identification that they are willing to surrender in order to submit an absentee ballot process. it eliminates over-300 hours of

drop-box availability. >> what else? >> it bans nearly-all out-of-precinct votes. >> bans what? i'm sorry. >> bans nearly all out-of-precinct votes. meaning, you get to a precinct and you are in line for four hours and you get to the end of the line. and you are not there between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m., start all over again. >> what else? is that everything? >> no, it is not. no, sir. it restricts the hours of operation, because it now, under the guise of setting a standardized timeline, it makes it optional for counties that may be -- may not want to see expanded access to the right to vote. they can now limit their hours, instead of those hours being from 7:00 to 7:00, they are now from 9:00 to 5:00, which may have an effect on voters who cannot vote during business hours. during early voting. it limits the -- >> okay. i get the id. so interesting.

again, we're talking about police actions now and how history matters in understanding what's happening now and the distrust that exists now as bakari point out is so vital that the law doesn't have to specifically say that it is targeting one particular group, which would be very obvious. it can be supposedly race neutral and not be at all.

>> well, anderson, let me just say this. i think the georgia legislature overreacted to the trump false narrative on the stolen election. they overreacted. by the same token, i think some of the opponents of the georgia law have overstated the case. i'm holding here a pennsylvania absentee ballot. we require a driver's license number, last four digits of your social security. georgia did the same thing. that's not a problem at all. they define something about they have no definition of business hours. they defined it as 9:00 to 5:00. it could be 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. the big problem with the georgia law which she did not mention, as far as i'm concerned is they really removed the secretary of oppose the law.elen but a lot of these provisions have been a bit overstated and frankly their laws are more liberal than pennsylvania's or delaware's for that matter. >> bakari, in the texas gop senator cornyn made the argument that many republicans make that many laws exist like

charlie said democratically controlled states, but they're not targeted like georgia's law. new york and delaware have laws similar to georgia. why not -- what do you say to that argument? >> well, first of all, there's no excuse that the early voting is nonexistent in the state of new york. let's just state that outright. a democratic state should have easier voting than the state of new york. i wish governor cuomo and alexandria ocasio-cortez and everybody who is making a stink about georgia would also make a stink about new york laws. and i agree with that. what my good friend congressman den man and others are not telling you is that the totality -- you can nitpick one thing or another. but the totality of the georgia law is something that's unseen. i guarantee you that in pennsylvania or colorado or delaware, you don't limit the number of drop boxes from 93 as they were in this past election to 24 in the four largest black counties. i'm pretty sure that's something that doesn't happen. i'm pretty sure that in many areas when people have waited in line three or four hours to

vote, they get to the front, usually they're allowed to cast a provisional ballot if they're in the wrong precinct. in georgia you can no longer do that. i'm pretty sure the democratic controlled or republican controlled legislatures in this particular area cannot take over voting boards like they can now in georgia. so yes, it is discriminatory. yes, it is reminiscent of jim crow and we have to be intellectually honest in those discussions. >> charlie, do you think some of these laws that are being championed by republican lawmakers, as you said may be punitive in some cases. you cited the removal of the georgia secretary of state may have unintended consequences that may actually hurt republicans? >> yeah, absolutely. a state i know better, pennsylvania, pennsylvania went to no excuse absentee balloting the first time. and they also removed straight ticket voting. republicans did extremely well in 2020 under that law. donald trump did that. he did badly because of his conduct in office primarily and his own mishandling of the coronavirus. that's why he lost, why

republicans down ballot did well. the law helped republicans in pennsylvania are talking about repealing the law they passed in 2019. i think it would be a mistake. it would not be a return to jim crow. it would be a return to the 2019 status quo and a huge detriment to republican candidates up and down the ballot. >> congressman, bakari seller, thanks so much. appreciate it. up next, where police are instruct or were police instructed to focus on everybody but the people attacking the company to january 6. what the investigation reveals in the controversy. in

given all the unsettling details that have come to light about the capitol insurrection, the story has the power to shock and surprise. the latest, california congresswoman zoe lofgren citing a previously undiscovered radio transmission of a capitol

officer directing all outside units to focus on anti-trump agitators and not the mob carrying out the attack. cnn's ryan nobles is at the capitol. how are the capitol police responding to the accusation? >> well, anderson, they're saying congresswoman lofgren is taking this out of context, that this was a transmission that was early on in the day at 8:00 in the morning, and they were specifically calling out non-trump supporters because they were concerned about skirmishes between the growing group of protesters that were gathering around the capitol at that time. now, they say if you listen to the transmission throughout the day they call out the pro-trump demonstrators as well as. this doesn't tell the full story of what happened on january 6th. >> is there any movement tonight on a possible september 11-style commission to investigate exactly what occurred on january 6? >> you know, anderson, i think this controversy crystallizes the need for this independent commission. and we do see some movement between republicans and democrats, but right now they're still at an impasse. nancy pelosi has offered up some

changes to the 9/11 commission that would meet the republican standards. so far she hasn't conveyed them to republicans. right now they're still at an impasse. that's what many people want here, an independent commission that can answer some of these questions. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thank you very much. a lot to learn on that still about what exactly occurred on that day and whether or not there will be actually some sort of 9/11-style commission. that's it for us. thanks so much for watching. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. chris? >> appreciate it, anderson. how about that sanjay? 20 years. >> i mean, amazing. what an incredible career, an incredible contribution. particularly this last year i feel like he's gotten a lot of us through some very, very difficult times. >> oh, absolutely. and i know you were obviously joking saying, hey, you've been here 20 years? because you guy, when you and he are together on a story anywhere in the world, the humanity that's brought to bear and the relative act men.