harge of my cholesterol with garlique. and good evening. the live pictures of protests in elizabeth city, north carolina, tell the story. if authorities there want to establish transparency and accountability, in the wake of the fatal shooting of andrew brown jr. by local sheriff's deputies last week, they seem to be coming up short, so far. if on the other hand, they intend to increase suspicion surrounding the incident, fuel anger, and raise tensions, they succeeded today. according to family attorneys, as many as eight body cams may have captured the shooting, which happened as deputies were serving an arrest warrant on brown. however, today, the family was only shown 20 seconds of footage from a single-body camera. what's more, they say, even that brief clip was enough to demonstrate that he posed no threat when he was shot and killed, according to family members. >> let's be clear. this was an execution.

andrew brown was in his driveway. the sheriff truck blocked him in his driveway, so he could not exit his driveway. andrew had his hands on his steering wheel. he was not reaching for anything. he wasn't touching anything. he wasn't throwing anything around. he had his hands, furtheirmly, e steering wheel. they run up to his vehicle, shooting. >> yep, sure did. >> he, still, stood there, sat there in his vehicle, with his hands on the steering wheel, while being shot at. >> in a moment, going to talk to another family attorney and also andrew brown jr.'s son. first, cnn's brian todd, live, in elizabeth city. so, what's the latest, where -- where you are? >> well, anderson, the crowd a has taken to the streets again to express their disappointment, their anger at the fact that the county attorney, michael cox, only allowed the family to see that 20-second clip of the sheriff's deputies body-camera

video. they are frustrated here. they're angry. but they have been very, very peaceful tonight, as they have been for the past-five nights. what's interesting. you played that clip, by chantel, the family attorney. she told us, separately, that when that 20-second clip began, that they viewed, the shooting had already started. they believe the shooting has already started when they saw that 20-second clip. i, also, asked her, how many -- about how many deputies do you think were surrounding his car? she said at least six or seven. so we are getting some detail from them. but again, the family and these people out here. very, very upset at the fact that the local-county attorney, in their view, has not been transparent. they -- they call it disrespect, that he has not shown the community the respect that they deserve. in, you know, trying to get more of this footage released to the public. and more released so that the family can see more of what happened. they, clearly as you saw, the news conference this afternoon, this family and their representatives, very, very upset with how this unfolded. we've tried to contact michael cox, the county attorney, for a

response to their criticism. he's not gotten back to us. anderson. >> the police have -- have released very little information about what their version of events is. what are authorities saying about the possibility -- i mean, about releasing more information? are they -- obviously, the possibility of any kind of unrest, i assume, they are concerned about? >> well, anderson, they're declared a state of emergency, in case, you know, there is more un -- or there is any unrest. i got to say, there really has not been unrest. there's been no violence. no looting. nothing like that. five nights. this is the sixth night we have wi been out here. for the previous-five nights, it's been very, very peaceful. very well organized and the community here determined to keep it that way. >> show that real footage, though. that's all we want. >> so, that's -- this is the kind of mood that they're in. you know, again, they are determined to be peaceful but they want that footage out there. community expressing the same sentiment that the brown's family attorneys are. and, you know, petitions will be

in front of the judge in the next-few days, with media petitions and others. we are going to see if that pressure to release this footage really comes to fruition. >> and where are marchers headed tonight? >> well, they say that they want to go to the home of the pasquotank county attorney, michael cox. they are gathering up, ahead of us now. see, if you can swing your camera around, we can see they are gathering in front of a home. we don't know if this is his home or not. but they say they want to go to his home, and show him exactly h how they feel. they have stopped here on this side street, off the main drag. and they are just chanting andrew brown's name. and again, it's not clear if this is the home of the kcounty attorney or not. but they are just determined to walk through these streets and express how they are feeling tonight. again, very, very peaceful, passionate, spirited, but peaceful. >> brian todd, appreciate it. coming up next. let' hear from andrew brown

jr.'s son, also brown family attorney, harry daniels. >> how are you and your family doing after seeing that video today? >> i'm heartbroken. you know? we got a little bit of evidence but that wasn't enough for us. >> mr. daniels, i understand, were members of the family or their attorneys given any explanation why only 20 seconds of the body-cam video was shown? >> no, anderson. we received -- i asked the question, how long were the video? and the county attorney, michael cox from pasquotank said that they had -- show the pertinent parts. but only 20 seconds, they believe was pertinent. before the video started, it appears that the officers, or deputies already start firing on mr. brown while he had his hands on the steering column. so, they -- no explanation, whatsoever, as to why they

decided to give 20 seconds of -- of the shooting. >> so, you -- you said basically, your father was in the vehicle with his hands. were they on the steering wheel? or the steering column? >> the steering wheel. >> and did you have a sense of how many officers were -- were involved in this? >> in the video, i seen about six or seven. >> and in the video, can you tell what the 20 seconds -- i mean, what happened in those 20 seconds? >> starting of the video, i heard shots fired. and it was pretty -- it was pretty much clear that he was trying to get away. instead of engaging in any officers. he was trying to get away. and they just kept firing. >> yeah. yeah, anderson. yes, you had a lawyer in the room. ms. chantel and she took very detailed notes and her position was that -- that mr. brown, he

was trying to -- he wasn't fleeing. first reports came out he was fleeing. he was trying to save his life. but interestingly enough, during that time, he was conscious to not to try to injure the officers but they were still trying to gun him down. he was trying to get away. fight or flight. conscious enough not to try to injure officers. and they, still, was trying to gun him down. >> when you say -- when you say -- >> un -- >> i'm sorry. -- when you say conscious to not injure the officers, in what way did that become apparent? >> he, clearly, drove around them, away from them because he could have drove toward them. he drove away from them, to ensure he don't injure -- injure any officers. however, it -- they didn't care. they had a target. they had a mark. and they was there to execute that mark and that's exact -- that's exactly what they did.

this is unjustify -- this is probably the worst of the worst. >> authorities said they delayed showing mr. brown's family the body-cam footage, because they needed more time to redact the video. saying they wanted to blur images of some of the faces in the footage. do you know why that would be necessary? and what is your next move to get access to all of the video? >> anderson, i have practiced criminal-defense law. i have seen plenty of videos. body cameras. you may redact minor or innocent bystanders or pertinent or sensitive information. i have never seen officers' faces redacted. never. that's sole purpose is to protect their officers. but i can tell you, mr. brown's face was not redacted at all. our next step is petition the courts to the immediate release of all the video footage, not 20 seconds. everybody's talking about a redaction. to me, it was pretty much deletion, with the exception of 20 seconds. and for the courts to order the

county to release all-video footage. the -- the -- the public should know. and more importantly, he and his siblings and the family should know what happened to his father. that is, you cannot heal until you know what happened. they showed it. what he saw was an unlawful shooting. that's what he saw. killing of his father, execution of his father. >> well, mr. daniels, have authorities -- i mean, at today's meet org ing or at any given indication why mr. brown was shot? did they say, any time, mr. brown foeposed a threat to the police? did you get any further explanation from them today? >> no. no. and even as they gave the explanation, kalil and other counsel saw the video. and there was no justification of why they was shooting. so if they give the explanation, the explanation would not be true because the video is a

thousand -- that's the most objective evidence. who cares what they say when you have a video? we just want to see the entire video and put it all in context. >> kalil, you have called for justice for your dad. what does that look like for you and your family, at this point? what do you want to see happen? >> for all this -- i want to see all these killings stop. you know? it's too much going on in this world. and we don't need that. they supposed to protect us. but they doing the harm. you know? it gotta stop somewhere. >> and the ones responsible, anderson, brought to justice. if it was you, i, or kalil, who committed an act and took a person's life, unjustifiably, we should be in jail, right now. should be arrested. >> right now. >> just because you wear a badge, shield, doesn't give you the right to kill and if you kill, doesn't give you the right to go, to be free, while a clear killing is on video, unjustifiable killing. if it's unjustifiable, if it's homicide if it's by another and

it's intentional, reckless, it's murder. period. so, you have people in the city of elizabeth city, pasquotank county, who is free for committing unlawful killing regardless of what uniform they wear. now, three of the officers -- two of the officers have resigned. one officer was allowed to retire. and seven other officers on administrative leave. anderson, this is a very small town. about-18,000 people. ten of their deputies are not on active duty. where there's fire, anderson, we both know there's smoke. and in elizabeth city is on fire. >> i find it strange that they -- that they haven't even said, to the family, any more details. i mean, are they claiming that mr. brown was -- was armed? >> no. >> no. >> no. they -- they -- they acknowledge he wasn't armed. that he was shot in the back. >> the whole city know he doesn't carry a weapon. that wasn't even his thing.

>> he -- he was shot in the back, trying to save his life, trying to get away. >> mr. daniels and kalil, i appreciate your time. thank you. and kalil, again, i am so sorry for your loss. >> thank you, anderson. appreciate you. coming up next. we will play you video of the shooting's immediate aftermath obtained exclusively by cnn. that's just coming in. also, our own legal and law enforcement team weighs in on how they see this being handled or mishandled as the case may be. what is and isn't safe to do once you have been vaccinated. we will preview what are expected to be new guidelines on outdoor-mask wearing and more. my garden is my therapy. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit

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>> i'm right here. it's the cops. can't call the cops on the feds. >> they shot him? >> yeah. >> apparent -- apparently, this seems to be the car that mr. brown was in. according to family members, he was in the vehicle, with his hands on the wheel. again, according to a family attorney and family members, who witnessed -- who watched some-20 seconds of one -- of a body-camera video. one body-camera video. there were multiple officers there, with multiple videos and body cams. we have not, obviously, seen those publicly. a short time before we got this video, in a brief and, essentially, well, content-free press appearance, pasquotank county sheriff, tommy wooten, said this about the incident. and i am quoting now. we previously committed to transparency and accountability. today, we're continuing to follow through with those two important goals. well, tonight, we are still waiting for that or, really,

anything resembling that to come to pass. joining us now is kirk rivers, a leader in the local community, who is marching with protestors tonight. kirk, you spoke with cnn's brian todd last thursday. you asked for transparency, from elected officials. it's been four days since then. what do you make of how officials are handling this? >> well, from the day that this has started, the officials have done a poor job of being transparent. to letting what -- know what's going on. and we keep demanding answers. we keep trying to find out what's going on. the family's getting bits and pieces. getting 20 second of a video, and not even, still, getting the -- the -- the people -- letting us know what's going on. >> the -- a number of the attorneys for the family, today, said that the county attorney, michael cox, tried to prevent several of them from viewing the video, in the first place.

and said that he wasn't going to be effing bullied by -- by them. i'm wondering what you make of how authorities are dealing with the community and family members? >> well, the way that this taking place is certain people in the city have treated certain people. and that is unacceptable when you have the family in there that want to see what took place about their loved one. and then, you're going to tell -- the county attorney's going to tell people and tell out -- the attorneys that they invited and they -- that were there to represent them, that they're not going to be bullied. that was totally unacceptable. that is totally not trying to be able to deescalate the situation. and the -- the control. and so, from day one, they have not been doing a job that was pleasing. it's been just chaos. not getting information out. and then, talking to attorneys.

that way, when everyone's there to solve and to get justice for the family. to make the family be there to see there -- what took place through the video. and the attorney's going to talk to them, like that. that is totally unacceptable. and we plan on going to the county commissioner's meeting to let them know that that's unacceptable. that's unacceptable, and we are trying to make the family, as they are grieving, not to escalate the situation. >> how -- what impact do you think the protests have had over the last four or five days? >> well, we have the -- we received no answers. we have taken it to the street. they're continuing to be peaceful. where people come out, you see children here. grown-ups. all types of people. black. white. we have taken it to the streets to let the elected officials know, from the sheriff to the da to the county attorney to everyone, that we're going to protest until we get answers. until they release this tape.

until they continue to make sure that they spread all of the truth. and that they continue -- and that andrew brown jr. gets justice. so, this is the fifth night that we've been out here. we've done two-a-day marches and we are going to continue to march at 5:00 until we get justice for andrew brown. and until the truth comes out, we are going to continue to demand, continue to walk the streets. we're walking through residential neighborhoods. we're walking through the business streets. we're going to continue to protest, until we get answers. >> kirk rivers, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, so much. >> joining us now, cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general, elliot williams. also, andrew mccabe, cnn contributor and former-fbi deputy director. andrew, i am bowondering what yr reaction is to how authorities are handling this? is this normal? what do you make of it? >> it's unfathomable, anderson.

you know, it's the first rule of any crisis management is you have to get out in front of bad news. you know, you -- one of the reasons to do that is to be able to take the position, and -- and send the tmessage to your community that you stand on the side of accountability and transparency and the rule of law. the danger to not doing that, like we've seen in this situation, is you send the exact-opposite message. that they appear to be, and we don't know if this is -- this is the case but it certainly appears as if they are trying to conceal information, and protect their own and avoid accountability. and it's just the absolute-worst thing this police agency can do at this time and that's why the people are on the streets. >> elliot, you say law enforcement is trying to have it both ways with the release of, i know, 20 seconds of one body-cam images. how so? >> right. well, look. what they're trying to do is, number one, say that they can't release more information because it might taint the

investigation. but releasing all this information about here's what we know, or at least based on various sources that have been reported. number one, they were there executing a drug warrant. i saw reporting out of north carolina about crystal meth and all kinds of prior convictions he has and so on. clearly, they're managing to get information out there about andrew brown which can also taint the investigation, right? because that -- that's prejudicial information right there. but not the video footage, that might clarify some of all of this. so, it is trying to have it both ways. it's like, no, no, no, we can't put information out there. but here is a lot of bad stuff about this really bad guy. and that's sort of the way law enforcement has been allowed to work for a very long time. and this is exactly andrew's point from a minute ago. it's -- it's about communications, and who controls the early narrative. and for decades, law enforcement could get out and has controlled the narrative earlier on. and this year, or maybe the last few years, that just doesn't work, anymore. and i think we are seeing a big

shift, in what the public demands and expects, when there are crises. >> you know, andrew, i mean, reporters are always, you know, supposed to be skeptical about things. but in general, public, when police have come forward and said this is what occurred, you know, traditionally, people have taken that for what it's worth. but believed or at least had an instinct of belief in that. you know, when you see what happened in the wake of george floyd. and the first release put out by the minneapolis police. which now, when you look at it, i mean, it's -- it is just completely not what actually occurred. it certainly makes one all the more skeptical. i don't understand why the police would not, at the very least, come forward and say this person was armed. this person was not armed. this was -- all we know is attempted to execute a felony-drug warrant. and again, that's information, which paints the subject in a, you know, obviously, a very particular light.

>> that's exactly right. and so, you know, because of situations like george floyd, and many other really-hard-to-watch situations of the use of lethal force in arrests of predominantly black men. this -- the police are working from a deficit of trust. so you have -- you are already kind of one or two steps behind, you know, lower than zero, right? and in addition to that, because of the use of body cameras, we have the opportunity to know. or at least have one pretty good view into what actually happened. so, it's this combination of a lack of trust, with the possibility of actually seeing what took place, at the time. that is driving the public's expectation for accurate, fully-transparent, forthcoming information, right away. and that's not something law enforcement is going to be able to put -- put down. the days of saying, oh, we're

not going to talk about this, until all of our investigation is finished. however long that takes. are over. we don't live in that time, anymore. and -- and it's, you know, police agencies would be well served to understand the environment that they're operating in. and start playing by the rules. >> elliot, why would the footage the family saw, 20 seconds, need to be, in their words, in the words of the police, redacted? i mean, does that make sense to you? >> i mean, it does, to some extent. again, if there were, like, innocent bystanders there, minors. if there were people, perhaps, under investigation at the time. but it is just perplexing, anderson. and, look. here's the problem. this -- this is not -- we are not even talking about the law now. this is just straight-up pr. if they were able to release the 20 seconds, and they clearly have the rest of the footage. it was, very much, in their interest to release the rest of the video to the public. because what they did, if you saw that press conference today, those lawyers put on a clinic for how to take back the story.

and the police, the -- the sheriff's department just basically failed there. and so, now, by creating a vacuum as to what else is in the rest of that footage, they've really stepped in it. and just left more questions for the public. >> elliot williams, andrew mccabe, thank you. still to come, liz cheney spells out what republicans need in order to win back power in washington. that's next. in aurora. (doorbell) rock on. tonight i'll be eating lobster thermidor au gratin. really? sh-yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. make it two calzones!

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almost sixth months after the election and nearly four since the capitol riot, and republicans are still at odds with one another over both. in a new interview with "politico," house gop conference chair, liz cheney, says the party needs better outreach. she also said this and i quote. we have to be honest about what happened in 2020 so we can really learn the lessons of that is that is the election was not stolen. now, contrast that with the message from house republican leader, kevin mccarthy. in a new interview with "the new york times," the minority leader defends the attempt by his conference to overturn president biden's wins in pennsylvania and arizona. and in a weekend interview with fox news, he defended the president's actions after the riot began. praising that video he made that came out after the riot began, where he repeated the false claim of a stolen election, and told rioters quote, we love you. joined now by cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash, and paul begala. so, dana, kevin mccarthy's

described his task as having to walk the tightest tightrope. what does that entail, exactly? and is there room inside the republican party for all these factions? >> you know, there is room inside the republican party for a lot of different ideologies. i would argue that there is not room inside the republican party for -- for flatout lies. and the litmus test that it's actually -- there's a new story on cnn.com right now, which is wonderful, by our colleague manu raju, talking about the fact in race after race, when republicans are running in primaries. there is a -- a need, a political need, for the republican candidates, if they feel they are in -- at all, in danger of not winning, to embrace -- not just embrace the former president. but embrace his lies about the 2020 election. and so, as long as that is the,

kind of, north star for the republican party right now. it is impossible to get to the point that liz cheney described because she understands what is needed to win, you know, more broadly, and more general elections, maybe even in house seats but certainly in senate seats and in the future for the presidency. >> paul, i mean, what do you make of where the republican party is right now? i mean, have you ever seen it like this? >> i don't think we have ever seen anything like this. i have to say. liz cheney is right, both, on the principle and on the politics. now, there will be a weather report coming up after this that show hell has frozen over because i praised liz cheney. i don't agree with her on anything. if i met her aunt trudy, i wouldn't agree with her. this is why. kevin mccarthy was whining to "the new york times," i am on the tightest tightrope. no, sir, with respect, you are a powerful congressman. america is son a tightrope

between truth and lie, between freedom and an insurrectionist mob, between pluralism and white supremacy. that is the real tightrope. now, politically, the way for him to get off that is to listen to liz cheney. reach out to the new-american majority. where trump has put them on the wrong side of race and religion and gender and generation, they have got to get back on the right side of that. you know, mccarthy has huge assets going into this midterm. huge. colossal assets. three of them. he got history, where the party out of power usually picks up 30-or-more seats. he's got it geography. and he's got the rules. his party filed scores of bills, hundreds of bills in scores of states to try to change the rules to make it harder for people of color and democrats to vote. so, i don't know why he is whining, when he has these massive-structural advantages. and he is just, for reasons i don't understand, clinging to trump who's been nothing but a disaster for his party. >> well, dana, i mean, we're still seeing real -- real-world consequences from the big lie, too. i mean, you look at the recount

of the 2020 election, that's actually happening in arizona now. former president is actively supporting the recount, and attacking the -- or the republican governor of arizona because he refuses to do the former-president's bidding. >> continuing to attack him. and this is a governor, who went to joe biden's inauguration, doug ducey, in order to make a point. that the, i guess, the majority of the republicans who are doing the bidding of the former president are on the wrong side of truth, of history, of politics, all of the above, like paul was talking about. and, you know, even republicans in congress who have been very critical of the former president. shelly moore capito. i spoke to her on state of the union yesterday. very critical of january 6th. of his role in that. you know, candidly so. when i asked her about whether or not there is a place for

president trump to run again, in 2024, she said it was too early. but she did say there is still a place for him in the republican party. that's different from what liz cheney is saying. she is out there, with maybe a handful of other elected-republican officials, who are trying to put the squeeze on the former president. because they believe that is the only-viable path for the gop. >> dana bash, paul begala, thank you. amazing times. more breaking news next. president biden is set to announce new-cdc guidance on mask use tomorrow but it's not expected to apply to every american. we have breaking details, when we continue. through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com.

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but allowing to go outside maskless. joining us for her perspective is dr. leana wen, cnn medical an libtd, former health commissioner for baltimore. and author of "lifelines, a doctor's journey in the fight for public health." dr. wen, so you have been critical of the administration over not being aggressive enough in the efforts to reopen schools. as we wait for guidelines tomorrow, do you feel the same way here that the government is moving too slow on these guidelines? >> i do, anderson. i understand that the biden team wants to be cautious. but caution comes at a price and that price is that people are saying, well, what's the point of getting vaccinated? if not that much changes for me. i think that the biden administration has been doing is to say, here's what we, as a society, should do. once we reach a certain level of vaccination in the society. once the infection level decreases, we'll lift restrictions for everyone but i think they are just counting that many americans want to know what's in it for me? they don't want to wait until

everyone gets to some elusive-herd immunity. i think it will be a lot more effective if we say once you are fully vaccinated, that's the end of the road for you. so at that point, you are able to take off your mask outside. you are able to go about enjoying many aspects of pre-pandemic life. i think that is going to be key to overcoming vaccine hesitancy. >> the -- the problem with that, though, is there's plenty of people, who aren't wearing masks, anyway. who haven't been vaccinated. so, is that a risk? i mean, if a lot of un -- if a lot of vaccinated people are walking around without masks. are more people just going to start taking off their masks, whether or not they have been vaccinated? it's not like anybody's checking. >> yeah. i mean, i think, frankly, outdoor-mask mandates should just go regardless of whether you are vaccinated. there are a lot of locales and states that still have blanket-mask mandates. so even if you live in a suburban area or rural area, where you don't see that many people, there is still mask mandates in place. so i actually think outdoor mask mandates can go but i also think

we can do a lot more with, specifically, incentivizing vaccination. including, allowing businesses to come back, at full capacity, if they are checking for proof of vaccination. >> so, i mean, is it -- there -- i mean, it's interesting to me that you say, if wearing a mask outdoors, that there is not much point. i mean, that's essentially what you are saying. is that -- i mean, what about being close to somebody, you know, walking down the street? isn't that a risk, if -- if they haven't been vaccinated? and -- and even if you've been -- been vaccinated. i mean, is it -- what's the percentage of people who are vaccinated, who may get it but just get a really mild case? but even, now, mild cases, aren't you seeing that down the road, they can have other effects? >> i think the key, at this point, anderson, is then we have to think about reducing risk. not eliminating risk. because we're just not going to be able to live like that. we are seeing major portions of this country, who are not yet vaccinated, who are already returning to doing everything

they are doing pre-pandemic because our guidance, the public-health guidance, is so disconnected from their everyday reality. part of public health is understanding where people are, and meeting them there. i think we can tell people, here are all these activities that, once were high risk, get vaccinated, they are now lower risk. but once you get vaccinated, go and do things. we encourage you to do things like travel. we want you to do it safely but please, go see your friends and family. i think that kind of message will have a lot more resonance than here are all the things you can't do, even if you are fully vaccinated. >> the pause was lifted on the johnson & johnson vaccine friday. you were part of the trial. received the placebo. but then, chose to receive the vaccine before the risk of these serious blood clots was known. would you still receive the j&j vaccine? and -- and what are you advising your female patient ts to do? >> i would say the j&j vaccine is still a very good vaccine. that, for a lot of people, getting one dose, one shot, going to the appointment once is really important. so if that's really important to them, go ahead and do that. but now, we also know that there is this rare, but very serious,

clotting disorder. a very serious clotting disorder that has killed -- i mean, three people have died because of this. seven remain in the hospital. four, in intensive care. and the -- the people who are primarily affected are young women. women, under the age of 50. and so, i would say to these individuals, and i had a choice, this is what i would have done. i would have taken one of the other vaccines. the pfizer or moderna vaccine. because those vaccines don't have this risk. but are still very effective. we are in a very different point in the pandemic than we were a month ago or two months ago when we said to people, take whatever vaccine you have access to first. now, we have enough supply. we also have more information about the possible risk, the very small risk, but in this very particular population of women under 50. so i would say to those women, take pfizer or moderna, first. if you don't want to for whatever reason, then get johnson & johnson. >> dr. wen, appreciate it. thanks. just ahead. new photos of someone they are seeking as they investigate attack on a 61-year-old asian

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state police department authorities are investigating an attack on a man friday night as a possible hate crime. the video is disturbing. police say the 61-year-old was hit from behind by the assailant. he was then repeatedly kicked in the head. the man is in critical but stable condition. the new york police department released photos of who they are investigating in this crime. they hope to expedite reviews of covid-related hate crimes. we're joined by lisa ling. lisa, this video is just horrific. for all the attention this has gotten over the last few months, these attacks are continuing. >> yeah, anderson, it is sickening and horrifying, and i've just been so devastated for mr. ma and his family. you said it yourself, despite rallies from coast to coast, the

condemnations from the highest levels of government on down, corporations supporting organizations working to combat hate, solidarity in the asian community, support from outside the asian community that these attacks are still continuing to happen unabated, and the attack on mr. ma wasn't even the only one this weekend. there were some others, and some of them were violent as well. in fact, we have this appi gofundme fund page, and it's sort of the central source for victim relief funds. anderson, when you look at all the fundraisers for all the victims, it just goes on and on and you just see images of people bloodied and beaten, and it's devastating. >> when you look at the people who have been attacked, it's often the most vulnerable, especially the elderly. >> yeah. when you think about the asian-american community, many people think of high levels of achievement and success in education, but what most people don't realize is the age gap

between the richest asians and the poorest asians is the widest in the country. more asians live in poverty than any minority group in new york city. when we talk about elders, our asian seniors who have been subjected to so many racist attacks, they have very high rates of poverty. in fact, in new york, 24% of asian seniors live in poverty compared to 18% of elderly -- >> 24%, wow. >> exactly. and that's why this demographic is particularly vulnerable, not just because of their age. in many ways mr. ma represents that population of poor asian seniors who don't receive unemployment or federal funds, so he has been living in the shadows doing what he had to do to survive which can, in his case, was collecting cans to support himself and his wife. >> and i've actually seen that quite a lot particularly the last couple months, people collecting cans. usually it's men and women, almost, together.

clearly, you know, dedicating their entire day to collecting cans to make whatever money they can. they're essentially living -- they may not be here legally, so they don't have access to much help. >> that's right. and people who are watching may remember about a year ago, there was another video that emerged of another asian senior who was also collecting cans who was repeatedly harassed by people who said, i hate asians. so, again, these are people who are living in the shadows, they're living in the margins, they don't qualify for any relief, so they are just literally doing what they can to survive. >> the reports of hate crimes targeting asians and asian-americans have increased since the pandemic began, obviously, more than a year ago. when the former president repeatedly, obviously, used anti-asian slurs to refer to the virus, how much did the pandemic add to an already difficult situation? >> look, anderson, it was so irresponsible, right, to make a joke out of something so serious.

in many ways it just gave people license to do the same. but in all honesty, this is a pattern of racism and scapegoating that has been happening to asians in century. when you think about the '80s in the economic downturn in the the automobile industry, and vincent chin in detroit who was about to get married was brutally attacked and killed with a bat by two auto workers who had just lost their jobs and accused him of being japanese because people believe that they were losing their jobs because of japanese automakers. so it's just been this continuous scapegoating of asians for decades and decades. >> this past thursday, the senate passed an anti-asian hate crimes bill with bipartisan support. the only no vote was missouri republican josh hawley. how far do you think the legislation could go toward making a difference? >> well, it's hard to say.

i think the legislation will expedite the review of hate crimes at the justice department, and one thing that i think will be helpful is that it will provide support and better tools for local law enforcement to respond to hate crimes and hate-related incidents. i'm just not sure how well equipped law enforcement has been across the country to deal with these kinds of crimes. >> lisa ling, i appreciate it. it was great to see you, lisa. >> thank you. coming up next, you may remember gray davis, the last california governor to be recalled and replaced with a celebrity. we'll tell you about a key new development that puts gavin newsom, the current governor, one step down the recall road. when i'm on my hands and knees and i'm digging through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com.

efforts to recall california governor gavin newsom could be enough to force a recall election this fall. coy officials have verified more than the required amount. no date set for a recall date. -- election. supposedly governor newsom said, it is what it is. this is a public recall. republican recall. it was over the restrictions that governor newsom imposed to fuel the effort. newsom and other republican challengers have stepped forward including kaylyn jenner. that's all for us. we head over to chris cuomo for "prime time." >> i'm chris cuomo and this is "prime time."

20 seconds worth of transparency. that's all north carolina will allow for the shooting video of andrew brown. that was only for brown's family. we, however, have gotten footage citizen footage that shows officers crowded around of police surrounding brown's stopped car. here it is. it's not much, but it's better than nothing. >> i'm right here. >> it's the cops. you can't call the cops on the feds. >> they shot him? >> yeah. >> now, obviously that is -- those are a couple neighbors talking. that is her present-sense impression of what happened. why is that important? literally we are craving context here. you see the officers around the car. what's interesting about this video is they're showing