thinks of possibly serving in a democratic president's administration. except, what is happening right now, across india, isn't far removed. covid has shown that every move the virus makes is potentially a local story, too, to anyone, everywhere in the world. but interest in this latest horrific, uncontained outbreak, goes beyond the fact that pathogens travel. there is also the larger, human truth that empathy, also, travels. compassion flows forward, outward. along with the tools and initiative to harness it. so right now, with india reporting a record-3,645 new deaths and nearly-380,000 new cases, we begin with a deeply troubling, but badly needed, cnn chief international correspondent, clarissa ward who joins us now from new delhi. clarissa, what have you been seeing? >> anderson, this is truly a terrifying and epic crisis.

i mean, it's just staggering, the amount of suffering. people are struggling to breathe. they are literally dying on the streets. and there is just no end in sight to this tragedy. in delhi, now, you're never far from heartbreak. almost everyone in the city has been visited by grief. at the crematorium, the loss weighs heavily in the smoldering air. and the dead are piling up. there are bodies, literally, everywhere you turn here. i have, honestly, never seen anything quite like it. and organizers say that pre-covid, they might cremate seven or eight people, a day. today alone, they've already cremated 55 bodies and it's not even lunchtime. >> reporter: just months ago, india's leadership boasted that

the country had effectively defeated covid. now, it has set global records for new cases, as a terrifying, second wave ravages the country. he says he and his men don't even stop to take breaks. and still, they can barely cope with the flow. a volunteer approaches. they've run out of tables for the bodies, he says. then, adds that his mother died from covid, the night before. you must be tired. >> very. >> reporter: do you believe the government figures, the death tolls? the covid figures that they are giving? or do you think the real figures are much higher? the numbers that you are seeing on television are the numbers of people who are dying in hospitals, he says. they're not factoring in the people, who died at home, in

isolation. if those numbers are added, the actual number will go up, by three times. to keep up with those mounting numbers, the crematorium has been forced to expand. creating an overflow area in a neighboring-car park. sharma is saying good-bye to his 45-year-old, younger brother. >> last night, i was thinking that his health is improving. but suddenly, the doctor came on my mobile phone that your brother has expired. >> do you think his death could have been prevented? >> yes, yeah, i think he can -- he can -- he can save him, better help/hospital. >> reporter: india's healthcare system is at a breaking point. unable to cope with the scale of the crisis. its people, left to fend for themselves. this crowd has been waiting for

six hours for the chance to get some oxygen. they can't rely on the state. your mother? how old is she? is her oxygen very low? >> she is -- she is in very critical condition. >> 58%. >> how many places have you been to? >> 19. >> 19? >> since morning, since 6:00 a.m. >> have you tried taking her to the hospital? >> there are no beds. >> there are no beds. >> they don't got any beds. >> reporter: she was lucky enough to find her mother a place in a hospital, only to find out there was no oxygen.

are you angry? >> i am so angry. our government is so careless, they even don't care about what public is suffering. they don't know -- >> reporter: her mother is now in critical condition. like many here, she feels completely overwhelmed. for those, who can't source their own oxygen, this is the only option. a drive-in oxygen september by the center by the side of the road. a woman arrives, unconscious. several hospitals have, already, turned her away. they simply didn't have the beds.

now, she is relying on the kindness of strangers. her sons work, desperately, to try to revive her. this isn't a hospital, or even a clinic. it's a sikh temple. but for these people, who have already been turned away from so many hospitals, this is their last chance at survival. the leader of the sikh charity that runs this facility says, it gets no support, at all, from the government. he says, he already had covid, twice. but he and his volunteers continue to work 24 hours, a day. >> we want to save their lives. >> reporter: it must hurt your heart to see the way your people are suffering. >> yes, ma'am. many times, we cry out. so what is going on?

>> reporter: it is impossible to escape the tragedy of this vicious, second wave. coronavirus is ravaging the old, but it has not spared india's young. the prime minister has announced that everyone over the age of 18 can get the vaccine. but with less than 2% of the country inoculated, that offers only a distant hope. so, india's capital continues to burn. suffocated by the rampant spread of this deadly virus. a city, and a country, brought to its knees, preying for respite. >> clarissa, it is stunning to see this. people searching for oxygen in

the streets. the hospital-bed shortages. has the government taken any steps to try to figure this out? or what have they done? >> so, the government has just announced something called oxygen-express operations. essentially, trying to use india's railways to deliver that precious-liquid oxygen to the cities that need it most. they implemented this, just about a day ago. but honestly, anderson, we haven't seen, yet, that it's making any kind of a real impact. we visited a hospital, today, after it put out a tweet saying they were about to run out of oxygen in the next one-to-two hours. jeopardizing the lives of the 70 covid patients who were being treated at that hospital. so, this is not a problem that's going away fast. >> clarissa, stay with us. i want to bring in chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, i mean, first of all, what do you make of the situation here in india?

is this -- i know, there is some talk. you know, some have blamed, possibly, a variant. but there is other factors, as well. >> yeah. i don't know that we can -- i mean, the situation just -- it's devastating. i mean, that's -- that's really heartbreaking, this piece that clarissa is reporting. i don't know that we can say this is due to the variants. we just don't have -- there is not enough sequencing that's happening over there. we know this one variant they are talking about, b 1617. it has mutations of which we have seen these mutations in pore other places around the world. in south africa, even here in the united states, in california. but they ever only sequenced 1% of the patients who actually have covid so i just don't know. this is the basics, as clarissa was talking about. you know, large numbers of people coming together. a country that basically declared an end game in march. i think, last year, there were many people i would talk to in india who were somewhat surprised india had done as well, frankly, as they had done.

but now, we are sort of, obviously, seeing these numbers. which, you know, clarissa asked the question to the -- to the one gentleman about do you believe the numbers? i mean, you have a 20 to 25% positivity rate. more than 300,000 people being officially diagnosed, which suggests that the numbers of new -- newly-infected people, every day, could be over a million. if you do the math on that. and we know that the number of people, who are diagnosed a few weeks after that, is when you see the real surge in hospitalizations. and then, a few weeks after that, the surge in deaths. so the hospitalizations are what they are, now. i mean, what are the next four-to-six weeks going to look like? this -- this -- this gets a lot worse. >> and, clarissa, have you met a lot of people who have been able to get a vaccine? >> yes. i mean, roughly 2% of the population has been able to get a vaccine. not younger people, up until, basically, today, when the prime minister announced that anyone over the age of 18 will be able to go ahead and get it.

but, you know, like so many scenes here, it's chaotic, anderson. there is not a coherent system. there is lines, everywhere. people who are healthy, are afraid to go to places like hospitals that might offer a vaccine because they're worried that they could contract the virus. and then, on top of this, you have the prime minister here, narendra modi, coming out and urging people to go to the polls today in west bengal. this is after he's already faced so much criticism for allowing members of his government to hold big-political rallies and state elections across the country. and he continues to face a lot of criticism. criticism, that his government is trying to clamp down on, and put a stop to. by putting pressure on social-media platforms. >> sanjay, there are 29 air india flights arriving from india into the u.s., every day. air india now says that by may 11th, they are going to raise that number to 32 flights per day, which i think is about pre-pandemic levels. from a health perspective, should those flights be coming directly to the u.s. right now?

>> i -- i think this is -- this is a complicated question, anderson. in part, because, you know, when you look at the -- the real utility of these types of travel restrictions. because i think a lot of people look at that and say, well, obviously, you would want to restrict travel internationally. but the issue is twofold. one is that we know these mutations that we were just talking about. they, already, are around the world. i mean, one of them is predominantly in south africa. another one is in california. we know that these mutations, already, exist. so, you do have to ask yourself, what -- what are you accomplishing, first of all? and are you possibly causing further harm by, also, as a result of travel restrictions, is it going to also potentially m make it more difficult for supplies to get into a place that really, desperately need supplies? and talk about the vaccine, and that's critically important. but right now, you're in -- you're in an acute situation over there where, you know, delhi is in lockdown to till may

3rd. but looking at clarissa's piece, i don't know what lockdown looks like. looks like a lot of people still out and about. you know, they -- they really have to bring the situation under control, quickly. and that's going to involve just basically trying to get the virus to stop spreading within that country. whether -- whether the, you know, the travel restrictions help at this point, i'm not sure that they do. >> sanjay, clarissa ward, thank you so much, clarissa. you and your team. remarkable reporting. thank you. coming up next. rudy giuliani weighs in on the feds raiding his home and office. plus, the latest in the fallout and further implications from one of the reporters who broke the story and a former top fbi official. big night as 360 continues. gln later, cindy mccain joins us on her new memoir, her husband's legacy and what he would make are of the republican party today. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades

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investigation into whether he illegally lobbied ukrainian officials. the president's personal lawyer, of course, hasn't been charged. denies any wrongdoing. this afternoon, on a radio show, he said quote the search warrant is one act of failing to register as a foreign -- failing to file as a foreign agent, which is completely false. he just told fox news the evidence investigators seized was quote exculpatory. maggie haberman, who helped break the story. and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. both, cnn analysts. so, maggie, you have got reporting on some of the president's -- what more have you learned? >> look. it's worth recalling that after another of his former lawyers, michael cohen, had his hotel room, apartment, and office, searched by the fbi. trump called michael cohen, i

think it was within a day and possibly sooner than that, trying to get trump not to do that. as far as we know, they have not spoken and they really are not talking very much since the white house ended for the former president. but he did say something on fox news this morning, trump did. you know, giuliani is a quote/unquote patriot. that is the kind of endorsement of him that trump's folks have been hoping he would make in this way. >> andrew, there's been a lot of talk about attorney-client privilege. how absolute is that? if there is evidence of criminal activity, does the privilege go away even with an attorney? >> well, the attorney-client privilege is one of the strongest and most invirable material. but there is a process in place to make sure that stuff is filtered out. so, everything that was taken from the search will, first, be reviewed by a team. that is simply looking for

privilege material. those matters will be taken out. and the remainder will be given, back, to the investigative agents and prosecutors. this is something that the department of justice and the -- and the southern district of new york does all the time. i'm sure that plan was part of the approval that came out of the justice department to move forward with the search warrant. and let's face it. this has happened, before. it's exactly the same process, that they went through to search michael cohen's house. so, it's -- it's not without precedent. >> maggie, giuliani said on his radio show today. said you are not going to stop me. you are not going to convict me of some phony crime. he talked about his accomplishments and said investigators are, in his words, jealous of him. is there any reason to think he actually has a -- i mean, does he have a legal strategy here? >> i mean, look, his legal strategy is what you are seeing anderson. it is important to note that he has denied any wrongdoing, and he has not been charged with anything, yet. although, certainly, yesterday, was an escalation from what we had seen before in this investigation. his strategy is to keep saying it is a witch hunt, which is

really what we saw former-president trump do throughout his entire tenure. we saw rudy giuliani do that during not one but two impeachments. we saw him do it during the robert mueller investigation. it is important to remember that giuliani has been present, or somehow connected to, nearly-every major controversy around president trump while he was in office. whether he was defending him. or whether he was connected to the events that were -- the former president was impeached for. i think, you have a lot of people around giuliani who, you know, either former advisers or people who worked in his administration. who are very dispondent over what they are seeing because what they have said to me, privately, is they don't recognize the person who is talking right now, and saying the things that he is saying. and that they are hoping that he gets, perhaps, sounder-legal advice than he is getting right now. >> andrew, the fact that they had enough information to get warrants. to -- to be able to do this. i mean, what does that tell you? you know, is this some fishing

expedition? >> it is definitely not a fishing expedition. you know, they -- i would expect, anderson, that they have a very solid case, probably on the fara charge. and that was enough to get them the warrant and get them the high-level doj approval they needed to go forward. incredibly sensitive matter. searching a law office and searching the attorney, who form -- you know, represented the former president. but, what they're expecting to get, i would guess, is all kinds of other information that might lead to evidence of other crimes. the fara charge, in and of itself, is not that substantial. but the question, now, is where does this investigation go? there is all kinds of things that could have been in that office or that residence. communications with other people. documents. contracts. all sorts of things, that might indicate or substantiate many of the different allegations we've heard about rudy giuliani over the years. so, i think, mr. giuliani should be pretty concerned right now.

>> maggie, the president's other, you know, former attorney, michael cohen, was on cnn today saying he told rudy giuliani that the former president doesn't care about, quote, anyone or anything. and that he would be, quote, the next one to be thrown under the bus. do you believe there is any scenario, in which giuliani would cooperate against the former president? >> i mean, i can't -- i can't read into giuliani's mind, at the current moment. i think that he will say that would never happen. and again, i want to be clear, i don't know what they would be pressing him on in terms of trump. that's several-steps down the road, right now. but certainly, giuliani is in a difficult situation right now. and if trump is the longer-term target, there is going to be growing pressure on him. that is certainly something that some folks around trump are worried about right now. and we'll see where it goes. but remember, michael cohen, very early on, said he was, you know, he was not going to succumb to pressure. and then, his wife was faced with getting indicted. and then, he did. so we'll see where this goes. >> i just want to play a clip of

something giuliani said on fox, a short time ago. >> they got perturbed at the end of the search when they had taken about seven or eight electronic items of mine, which is what they took, and two of someone else's. i -- they weren't taking the three hard drives, which, of course, are electronic devices. they just mimic the computer. i said, well, don't you want these? and they said, what are they? i said those are hunter biden's hard drives. and they said, no, no, no, no. >> andrew, what do you make of that? >> well, it's always tough, interpreting what -- what mr. giuliani says. but i -- i think it's important for your viewers to know that search warrants are written very specifically. you have to tell the judge, exactly, what evidence you think you are -- you will be able to find, at the location being searched. so, it's, certainly, possible that this -- the parameters of the search warrant might not have included hunter biden's

hard hard drives or anybody else's hard drives, other than rudy giuliani. so it's simply one possible explanation as to why they might not have taken something. but honestly, i'd -- i'd rather get that right from the agency than take mr. giuliani for his -- >> what -- what is happening now, in any kind of investigation like this? obviously, you don't know about this, particular investigation. but just in general, what is happening now? they have taken -- they have taken the stuff. now, what happens? >> so now, because of the unique situation of it being attorney's possessions and things. an attorney's office and home that were searched. that filter that i talked about has to go on first. so all that stuff needs to be reviewed by people who are not a part of the investigative team. and what's considered not to be privileged, then makes its way to the investigators. they will, then, go through everything with a fine-toothed comb and they will be looking at, specifically, mr. giuliani's communications with other people. that might indicate all sorts of

other activity. remember, he was implicated or at least referred to in the indictment of lev parnas and igor fruman. he was known to have signed a contract with them over the fraud-guarantee endeavor, which we now know was a fraudulent theft of $2 million. so, there is all kinds of directions this might go and i am sure those investigators are just waiting to get their hands on that material. >> andrew mccabe, maggie haberman, appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, the former president's obsession with a 2020 recount that is dividing republicans, both controversial for why it is being conducted and for who is performing the audit. also, cindy mccain. about her nearly-four-decade marriage to senator john mccain. welcome, today's discussion will be around sliced meat.

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tonight, "the washington post" is reporting that unnamed advisers to the former president say he is fixated on a republican-led audit of the 2020 vote currently under way in arizona's largest county. one source says quote he talks about it constantly. kyung lah joins nous wus now wi latest on this controversial recount. so, what is the latest? >> i want to say, anderson, what we are learning here what is happening in maricopa county. first of all, irony is not dead. and the reason why i am starting there is because what you are seeing behind me is a carnival. this is called the crazy times carnival at the arizona state

fairgrounds. it just kicked off about-30 minutes ago. and then, over here, i could throw a rock and hit it. is where this review of the 2020 ballots is taking place. but this is unlike any tally you have ever seen, before. >> reporter: this is, yet, another tally of the nearly 2.1 million ballots in maricopa county. but this so-called audit is unlike any other. these are ballot counters heading into a shift. have you ever done election counting before? >> no. but it's -- there's nothing to it. it's -- it -- it -- it's pretty obvious. >> no thanks. >> reporter: most don't want to >> people are wondering what to look out for in that audit.

>> oan or one american news network is the small, far-right-wing outlet that has promoted false claims that donald trump won the 2020 election. oan is also live streaming event and its hosts have helped raise funds for this exercise. we were, initially, told we could not enter the publicly-owned arizona state fairgrounds but when we tried again, another time. >> i'm kyung lah with cnn. >> okay. you guys will be on the second level. >> so we can get in? >> yeah. >> we followed that officer's instructions. >> there is media parking. but then, these guys showed up. >> i am not authorized to speak to the press or media. >> even though these uniformed men look like police, they're not. they are a volunteer group called the arizona rangers. this man talking to me is wearing a badge from cyber-ninjas. that is the florida-based company being paid $150,000 by the gop-controlled state senate to conduct this election review. but here is what republican jack sellers, the maricopa county board of supervisors chairman

thinks about cyber ninjas. >> everything they are doing is just so unprofessional, that it's -- it's really bothersome. i don't really feel that it benefits me, any, to get into the weeds too far on all the craziness that i see going on. >> reporter: sellers knows the difference. he leads a republican majority board of supervisors. they, already, conducted two audits with bipartisan observers, in public view, that found in evidence of widespread-election fraud. the board of supervisors fought the state senate in court to keep the ballots, but lost. and turned over the ballots. >> when you accept responsibility for an election, it can't be about a party. it can't be about a person. it has to be about representing all the voters. >> reporter: arizona news agencies and their luawyer fougt to get a reporter into the site where the count is happening and days into the audit got in. a news camera then caught the

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working -- first of all, their district, let alone their -- their state and the country. voters can make a -- a good decision, and throw -- throw the bums out. and, you know, there is an election coming up in two years and that's something that we will all pay attention to. and hopefully, see some more changes occur. >> had your husband been at the capitol on january 6th, i mean, what do you think he would have done? said? thought about what we witnessed? >> well, first of all, he would have been very disappointed. that's -- that's not the -- the -- the government and the senate or house that he -- he grew up in, more or less. i mean, as a senator and a house

member. but i also think, knowing john mccain the way i did and the way many people knew, he probably would have barged out the doors and get in their faces about it. i have no doubt. >> sounds about right. >> wouldn't have kept quiet. but, you know, so much has happened since then. and -- and the reality that, somehow, this could happen within -- within the borders of our own country is very, very disheartening. and so, i think it's time. i think people are seeing this for what it is. and it's a few-select people misbehaving and -- and not doing what's good for the country. and i think you'll see things change. >> you are right about sarah palin in -- in your new book. addressing why -- you address why she wasn't at your husband's funeral. she was, of course, on the ticket with your husband. you wrote he had put her on the map and she didn't even send him a note of good wishes when he was down. you went on to write that is not someone you invite to a final farewell. i think palin disputes that series of events. called it a gut punch. i'm wondering what you say to that?

>> well, you know, i -- the people that we wanted to have around us, and particularly john, because he -- he's the one that really made those decisions, were people that we knew. we loved. they loved us. it was a very difficult time. and -- and so, we wanted to be surrounded by people that we knew had been good friends. and that we loved. and -- and would -- would -- would see him, to his final days. and also, remember his legacy and take care of his legacy. >> i want to ask you about senator lindsey graham, you write about his friendship in the book. and in the past, i know you have said, you know, you have nothing negative to say about senator graham. and i think that says a lot about you. and -- and your family. do you, you know -- do you -- you reconcile -- i mean, you have found a way to reconcile his dedication to your husband and his dedication to the former president, clearly. >> uh-huh.

lindsey's -- he is not just a good friend. he's like a member of our family. and he is -- he is someone that i love, like a brother. so, i have nothing ill to say of lindsey. or any -- you know, anybody. he's made his choices and that's fine. lindsey's -- again, i say, a member of our family. he's -- he's been with our children, a lot. i mean, he is someone that my -- he visited my sons overseas when they were in afghanistan and iraq. so, i -- i just can't really address that. i'm -- i'm -- he's too close a member of the family to me. >> yeah. the title of the book is "stronger." and i mean, really, there are so many examples of strength and so many different kinds of strength shown in this book. you -- you write about struggle with opioid addiction, which is something obviously so many in this country has struggled with. it was landed in the spotlight during the 2008 election. and you write, illness is not a scandal and it never should be. i think, this is such an important thing that you are open about this.

and it -- it gives strength, i think, to a lot of other people. how was the process of dealing with that? and dealing with it in the public -- public eye? >> well, it's -- it was a series of things, honestly. because what i never wanted to do was humiliate my husband, in any way. or -- or any member of my family. and by not talking to my husband about the issues that i had, and the problems that i had, it made it even worse. there's -- there are so many ways that, nowadays, that -- that people have the opportunity to get help. including, physicians, themselves, in not prescribing these drugs. i was -- you know, a woman in earlier years, where it was very easy to say, well, go home and take these hundred -- this bottle full of a hundred pills and have a drink. i mean, that was literally what was said to me one time. >> wow. >> and so, nowadays, i look at it as i would never want anybody to endure what i endured. and that was to be publicly

humiliated. that's the worst thing you could do to an addict or alcoholic. it could drive them under or possibly kill them. to remind people this is a disease, it's not a weakness. it's a disease. and it needs -- it needs careful care, like anything else. >> yeah. cindy mccain, i really appreciate your time, tonight. the book is "stronger." and i hope -- i hope a lot of people go ahead and -- and read it. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> take care. coming up. what president biden is saying after republican senator tim scott said last night. the u.s. is not a racist country. when i'm on my hands and knees and i'm digging through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. tonight, i'll be eating fried avocado tacos. [doorbell rings] [doorbell rings] thank you. ooo... you gonna eat that at lesliepalooza?

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>> no, i don't think the american people are racist. but i think after 400 years, african-americans have been left in a position where they are so far behind the eight ball in terms of education, health, in terms of opportunity, i think the overhang from all of the jim crow and before that slavery have had a cost and we have to deal with it. >> the president spoke as the nation continues to see high-profile incidents obviously involving law enforcement and people of color. joining me now is w.kamau bell. who's new season of the united states of america premieres this weekend. it's great to see you. do you agree with president biden? >> i think we have to ask who are you defining as the american people, because that's the thing that i get hung up on. we have to understand that this country was built on racism and currently racism is running this country in many ways. you look at the policing system and the mass incarceration

system, you look at how schools in black neighborhoods and latinx neighborhoods are not as well funded as schools in white neighborhoods. so the system of america is racist and that does benefit people. also, anderson, i'm old enough to remember when we had a president that was a full-on racist just a few months ago. >> the question that biden was asked or that biden said is that the american people are not racist. how would you address that? do you agree with that? >> i mean, again, who are you defining as the american people? are there people in this country who are racist? yes, there are. are there people in this country who run the country who are in run the country who are in power positions who are racists or racial opportunists i'll put it, so yes, we are. so the question for me is like are we calling the american people racist? i don't know. but the system of america is based in racism and runs in many ways on racism. so for me i feel like we're getting caught up in rhetorical games here. that aren't focusing on whatever

the people are, the system certainly promotes racism. >> for those -- there are a lot of people in congress, there are people on other networks who say there is no systemic racism. they don't see systemic racism in the united states. what do you say to that? >> and that's a part of the nature of racism in this country is that we can prove it. there have been many studies that prove racism. we have episodes this season:00 economic disparity, economic inequality. we have an episode about how black people are not educated enough in elementary school so we can even get into s.t.e.m. careers at the same rate as the white people do. the racism is so hard for some people to see and some people are allowed not to see it so we get caught up on whether it's true or not when it's provable that it's true this system is racist. >> it was so interesting to see what the initial statement put out by the minneapolis police was about george floyd's killing in the light of what we

obviously now know and very quickly afterwards knew and how the initial statement, which was solely based on the officer's report, initial reports was just completely -- it was just inaccurate. and it said they noticed there was a medical incident, and they called an ambulance. that was sort of the tone and the tenor of it. yesterday a judge in north carolina ruled the police body cam footage in the shooting death of andrew brown jr. will not be released to the public any time soon. it can be shown to his family with certain conditions attached. they'd only seen a 20-second clip previously. how do you square that sort of ruling with the concept of transparency? >> yeah, we're also dealing with a similar thing out here in the bay area. a man named mario gonzalez, a 26-year-old latinx man was killed by the police. apparently he was drunk in the park. they initially said there was a fight, and now we've seen footage that he struggled because he was a drunk guy getting harassed by cops and now he's dead. a lot of times with policing you

want to talk about the good apples versus the bad apples when in fact it is the system of policing that has systemic racism through it. it doesn't matter if you are an individual racist in the system. it doesn't matter if individual americans claim to be racist or are not racist, the system that we live in is racist. until we examine the entire system of policing and have the appetite that has to do looking out for all of our best system that is about safety for all of us and looking out for all of our best interests, we're just nibbling around the edges of reform. >> you look at policing the police. can you talk about what we'll see? >> well, yeah. a lot of this episode is based on the fact that last summer a lot of people in the country first heard of defund the police. somebody who lives in oakland and is surrounded by activists and academics i had heard about that movement from a few years ago. and much like many people, i had the same sort of oh my stars, why would we defund the police? i had that same reaction.

so this is to explain what defund the police actually is, and also to talk about as we said earlier in this interview, the racist history of policing. policing in many parts is based on slave catching. so again, we have to look at the whole system, where it came from, where it is, and then we have to have the appetite to imagine new systems or else i think we're doomed. >> i have not heard oh, my stars in quite some time. w. kamau bell, thank you. i appreciate it. the new season, "united shades of america" premieres this sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. we'll be right back. (brother) hi sis! (sister) you're late! (brother) fashionably late. (sister) we can not be late. (brother) there's a road right there. (brother) that's a cat. wait, just hold madi's headpiece. (sister) no. seriously? (brother) his name is whiskers. (bride) what happened to you? whose cat is that? (brother) it's a long story. (sister) oh my gosh. (farmer) whiskers! there you are! (avo) the subaru crosstrek. the adventurous s-u-v for adventurous people.

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the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." chris? >> anderson, thank you very much. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." there's big news on our watch tonight. rudy giuliani and the former president that he served or potentially entering the gravest legal jeopardy they have faced.

and giuliani has chosen the most dangerous course in dealing with it. he has decided to take the matter public and challenge a department of justice that has been looking at him for two years. >> raided in the morning because, what, i'm going to destroy the evidence? i've known about this for two years. evidence is exculpatory. it proves the president and i are innocent. they're the ones who are committing -- it's like projection. they're committing the crimes and, second, i can tell you, i never, ever represented a foreign national. the search warrant is purportedly based on one single failure to file for representing a ukrainian national official that i never represented. >> so he chose to appear on a show that fox itself has argued is not to be taken seriously,