because they believe womble has worked too closely to sheriff deputies. we reached out and have not heard back. >> brian todd, thank you very much. to our viewers, thank you very much for watching. i am wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett with "outfront" starts right now. out front next, liz cheney staring down on donald trump saying what she did on the 6th is right. what is fair? john kasich verses barney frank.

"outfront" tonight, cheney verses trump. cheney today met behind closed doors at the republican conference and tore into the president and his lies about the election. we can't whitewash what happened on january 6th to perpetuate trump's big lie. what he did on january 6th is a line that can't be crossed. stunning remarks by the highest republican woman in the house. just by saying those, she could lose her leadership. cheney could lose her vote and take out of leadership. kevin mccarthy quotes "furious of cheney." >> the 2020 election was not stolen. anyone who claims it is is spreading the big law and paysonpa

payspa payspa payspa poisoning our system. the fraudulent of the 2020 election known as capped, "the big lie." >> trump is doing what he succeeding his own life. he knows the word "the big lie" refers to trump's election. and it did not stop there. he released another statement calling cheney a warmonger claiming she will never run in another election again. >> the president and many around him pushing the idea that the election was stolen. the election was not stolen or rigged. it was a lie. people need to understand that.

>> these are basic facts. anthony gonzalez tells cnn, i quote him. "it is a prerequisite lying to our voters and liz cheney is n the right fit." >> i don't have the fact that i was not a fan of our last president's character issues. trump comes out and called romney stone-cold loser. the only loser here was donald trump. the republican party chosen which way it will go. if you look at the national republican congressional committee that you will see it.

that's mainstream funding all tl races out there coming from the midterm. they're taking on the leadership of his own party. >> attacks on patriots president trump is at an all time high. just to be clear, the definition of patriots would be someone who fights to maintain democracy and not to undermine it, which is what trump had been doing perpetuatiing these lies. he put all kinds of statements. >> after that you will watch pennsylvania and georgia and michigan and wisconsin and new

hampshire and a lot of votes in new hampshire. this was a rigged election. >> this was just the other day. he went out and said the same thing in november, a full six month ago. in a moment i am going to talk to a republican georgia election official. the republicans at the gop is trying to expel from the party. after all this you have heard it all, i will present to you this, a quote from a republican organizer in michigan who's trying to oust the state's director gop and that director says, quote, "the election was not stolen." >> i spoke to many people and that trump has never been wrong. he's not going to spew something out there that's wrong and not verified. for real?

>> the disinfectant it will knock out the virus. >> i don't put that out there to be funny, i want to show you how literally what he does. his entire brand and persona, that's the trump's brand. people are actually believing what he's saying. m manu raju is live. liz cheney has been standing up for her rights of what the president is continuing to put out there about the lie about the election. where does cheney stand right now? >> reporter: she's on shaky ground. there is still questions of whether she can hang on.

the house republican kevin m mccarthy, just give him the list to names. republicans voted for her overwhelmingly to support her stay in the post. things have changed and freedom caucus and people that supported her told me they don't know they can support her again. they believe her comments against trump will hurt her ability of the 2022 midterm. trying to bring trump into the fold to help republicans win back the majority.

mccarthy had not said whether or not he'll stand behind cheney. his ally called for her ouster. what mccarthy can do is significant. hell he has the power to call a snap election. it is uncertain of what he'll do. pressure is growing on her and him to make a decision here but it is about the election. still open questions of whether she can hahndle or not. >> i want to go to al smith. he was a republican attacked by then president trump and for standing boo y the results of t election. >> thank you very much for both of you. a.l., let me start with you.

president trump today trying to take over the term, the big lie. the lie that the election was there. >> what do you say to that? >> as you put it out earlier of the typical pattern of accusing someone else of something you yourself are guilty of. to be defined as republican now. it is really very much a litmus test for whether you are willing to go along with this lie. when you have a conservative republican congresswoman from one of the most republican states in our republic befor

telling nothing but the truth is very telling. >> if you look at her on policies, she's a conservative, consistent republican. they are about to kick her out for saying the election was fair. it is a stunning moment we come to. you spoke out against georgia's new election law. trump did not think that law went far enough. he's now back out there. you heard him on the patio last week. that sound byte that's deeply confusing because it came from december. he's still looking for recount and finding votes. i speak for many people that trump has never been wrong. he's not going to spew something out there. what do you do when vot voters -- that's what they believe. >> when you look back, you have jim jones and you fast overtime,

it is destructive. i find it ironic and i am not the only one. you certainly have grass root activists who -- second of all, you know, putting away and refuting the type of lies that had been spread and forget nowadays and sidney powell and rudy giuliani, their fight on behalf of the 45th president are now trying to wash their handsha hands on it. >> it seems to me that politics is a form of religion. you see things on faith. you lose the faith.

it is the same thing as religion. it can't stand. >> other republicans are trying to walk this line and change their tune. chris christie called the election results of a national embarrassment in november. he's now saying wihile trump is ending his legacy, overall, i give the president an a. i ask you this is how it is going to be? do you have to celebrate trump and move quickly past what happened in january and everything else to make it in the gop? >> maybe the viciousness around enforcing complete loyalty to the lie that the election was stolen is in fact an indication of how much republicans in power know it is not true and really don't appreciate being called out on it by members of our own party. it is uncomfortable to watch

when you see couple asians to speak out and -- they have to know they are not telling the truth. >> these are smart people. they really are smart people. they know they're not telling the truth. they know there won't be a price for that. >> baoky, you were appointed by former president george w. bush. i want to play for something that the former president said in the podcast. >> the republican party stands for exclusivity. it used to be country clubs and now evidently it is white

anglo-saxon protestian. >> that was true four years ago he won. do you this ink the party can w something? >> it is a slippery slope. the statementship, when we go to party of ideas and free tr trtra trade -- we become morally br bankrupt. i still hope that in this country at this point in time that we have men who still

believe ideals that are much higher than what's being propagated by this former president. >> i know it takes courage to do so. i know you do it in your own poli political paral and cost. thank you for coming out and speaking the truth. rudy giuliani claiming he's been framed as his legal adviser al a a alan dirshowitz. our clarissa ward is going to take you inside an icu in india where people are dying, one after another, not enough beds and oxygen and not enough doctors. >> are you struggle to breathe? >> i am unable to breathe freely, she tells us.

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to insert himself into the legal party. paula reed is out front. what does dershowitz wants trump to do? >> he hopes the president get involves in the fight. dershowitz tells me he hopes the formal president will get involved. but so far the former president and his lawyers have not given any indication that they actually intended to join this case.

>> we should point out anything they find illegal in their search is up for grabs. it is serious stuff. dershowitz giving advise to rudy giuliani. the guy named robert kcostello who puts the raid out after it happened. looks like he's building up a legal team. >> dershowitz is advising his expertise on liberty. that's where he's going to come in. we know from our sources who have seen the search warrant that this is an investigation of foreign lobbying violations. if rudy giuliani is charged, he may add people who have specialty in that area. it is no t the kind of crime that's been prosecuted very often. the trump administration started

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president biden hitting the road to pitch his infrastructure plan, saying the wealthiest americans will be the ones to pay for it. >> it does not add a single penny to our deficit. it is paid for it by making corporate america and the wealthiest of 1% should pay their fair share. >> that's not going to fly. >> these are dramatic increases in taxes that have real impacts on jobs here in america. >> i am not sure we would be compromising by making america less competitive than our global competitors. i think there will be a real fight over our tax increases. >> out front now john kasich and

barney frank. he was booehind the dodd frank act. chairman frank, let me start with you. the president wants to raise taxes on individuals earning more than $400,000 a year and raise corporate tax rates from 21%. does that seem right to you? >> you have to start with the basic question. are we now spending at the federal government level of everything we want to spend? even republican senders have said they want to spend almost $700 billion on infrastructure as they define it specifically, physical concrete infrastructure. how do you spend $700 billion that you are now spending without any deficit or raising taxes. the three practices here.

maybe a trillion dollars after a compromise or more of infrastructure but i am taking the republican number of 700 or so billion. >> you can't do all three of those. you can't do two of those. you can't increase spending by hundreds of billions on infrastructure and not raise taxes and not add to the deficit. you got to pick. if you want to go forward. you need some tax increase and you decide how to do it. >> governor. >> well look, first of all, frankly this whole infrastructure program should be turned back to the state and return the rest of the money back to the states so they don't have the rules and the regulations that's imposed on them. we figure out a way to do dramatic increase in road construction in our state

because we used a unique approach. we bonded against the tolls from our turnpike that gave us a big chunk of money to be invested in infrastructure. the other thing is republicans are saying when we talk about infrastructure, let's talk about highways and bridges and you know the roads. the fact that the republican actually have more money going into real infrastructure than the democrats do. what do you do about it? >> some of it may be involved in things like tolling. connecting ohio to kentucky. we are going to be spending if the last year $6 trillion more. you don't have enough people to tax to pay for all that. and so -- let's scale back some of the programs that's not working. a head start is not working to help people. we don't need to put something on top of that program. >> let me ask you, you say there

are not enough people to tax. chairman frank, i want to run the numbers here. if you look at the most recent tax data for 2018. the line that joe biden says he wants to raise taxes above which is 400,000. the closest i can get in the table is 500. they together made $2.5 trillion. if you tax at 100% and they don't have another dollar left, you take 100% of it, you would cover 40% of the president's nearly $6 trillion of funding. not a single buck. that's not enough money, chairman. >> that's true. but it is more than nothing. i want to go back to what john said, when i talked about the need to raise money, i don't think you can raise $700 billion. i am taking republican figure as a minimum to hard infra

infrastructure. the roads and bridges and etc. they say its got to be 700 billion. you can't do that. i know in massachusetts and maine, tolls are already increase. they don't have extra money. bonds have to be paid off. you are talking about long-term expenditure. you still have this question of $700 billion on hard infrastructure that the republicans in the senate say it is necessary and how do you pay for it. john says take it back to the states. we already have difficulty in the differential cause of doing business from state to state. that becomes a constraint. i still say you can't meet the

republican minimum for hard infrastructure and for $700 billion without adding to the deficit for raising taxes. >> i will say this. the republican party lost their credits on carrying about deficits. just to call it out u. the trump's deficit were extremely huge. yet politically i feel like we are in a situation where that politically makes sense and works and it is pay your fair share and it is an easy thing to say. the numbers don't add up. >> can i correct myself? >> think about this, we are talking now abouts the republican plan just on infras infrastructure. biden's plan, it is like $6 trillion and here is the thing. you can raise the taxes up and begin to kill the ability for people to invest and take the in incentive away for them to

invest which it affects the wage of americans and productivity. you know the other thing is you just print money. if you print money, you can get into that inflationary cycle. we have seen it before. one of the reasons why ronald reagan was elected presidents, we were in the --s there was a time we had sky high inflation. the economy is coming back. the corporate taxes that you mentioned, janet yellen, she's been going around the rest of the world and saying to them why don't you raise your taxes higher because we are dpgoing t raise ours. i can't believe she went out and did that. that made no sense at all. >> chairman, go ahead. >> good for her. what she's saying is maybe john thinks corporations are gaining the system by claiming they make

most of their profits and a low tax country. what she's asking for is a coordinated effort to say we are going to work together as developed nations to prevent this gaming where companies access that cause artificially, according to tax rates. as to inflation and killing investment, we have seen those before. the prediction was that it was going to hurt investment and cut jobs, in fact in the next eight years under clinton, not only did we have a very good economy with unemployment lower than it had been in anybody's memory.

as a result of the revenue that was brought in, john was able to parti participate. a balance budget when he was budget chair. >> okay. let me jump inner, erin. >> did it cut jobs? >> when clintons raised taxes in '93. the economy slowed down. we cut the capitol gains taxes, revenue flowed in. we were strained of government spending. >> no, john, it did not slow down. yes, it did. >> you didn't cut -- >> barney, in 1997. >> you didn't cut individual tax rate. >> okay, we cut the capital

gains tax. >> right. >> chairman, now they want to increase the capital gains rate and the income rates. >> let me go back to this. >> go ahead, chairman. >> which chairman are you talking to? >> chairman frank. >> i know you were both chairman. >> chairman frank. >> i didn't want to get to inflation. that has been exaggerated. let me go back to the '90s. people like john were saying the unemployment rate, the more conservatives saying the unemployment gets 4.5%. we had jay powell. at the current level or at the

level president biden is contemplating we are going to cut, we are going to have inflation. we have turned out to have a much better -- >> chairman, let me jump in. governor, can i ask you one they think. jerome powell did say that. he said that eventhough the federal budget is sustainable but right now it is not. should we not be so worried? >> are you asking me that, erin? >> yes. >> this inflation will come down. you can't print money, 6 trl dollars and print even more money coming without there being an impact. i want to go back to what we were talking about. we cut the capital gains tax in '97. >> what did you cut it to. >> in ohio, barney, let me finish please. >> well, you didn't tell us

what? >> i cut taxes on small businesses. we grew 500,000 jobs. i have done these things and it worked. >> i want to respond. >> i will have you both back. i appreciate both of you. >> john, what was the capital gains tax rate when you cut it? >> okay. >> we'll talk about the capital gains next time. thank you both very much. >> okay. >> thank you, erin. i am going to take a break here. at least three people have been arrested as protesters are taking to the streets in north carolina following andrew brown jr.'s funeral. >> because the dead can't cry for justice. we must do it for them. >> we take you inside a hospital in india as covid patients are packed soldihoulders to shoulde with no oxygen or help from

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breaking news, police say three protesters have been arrested in lelizabeth city in north carolina. family is still waiting to see the body camera footage.

brian todd is live. tell me what happened. >> reporter: there is a bit of a cat and mouse game all night between protesters and police. we did witness four people being rounded off and hand kucuffed a detained by police a short time ago. i asked the police why they were being picked up and they said because they stopped in the middle of the street. they received warnings from the police to keep moving and do not stop. they have not stopped since then. at least three of them have been formally arrested. this is one of the heated confrontations we have seen. the police have been kind of giving these protesters a lot of space and not really confronting them and arresting them until the end of the evening.

this was one of the more heated confrontations we have seen and aggressive moves by police we have seen. it could be this had to be with the funeral today. black protests are more agitated. >> and brian, you mentioned the funeral, this comes hours aver andrew brown's family had his funeral. what was the family's message? #. >> reporter: the family is still trying to process everything. they are angry and heartbroken that their beloved andrew is taken from them. they're trying to process the manner in which he was taken from them. we heard emotional words earlier today, two of andrew brown's oldest sons. take a listen.

>> me and my dad. he was my best friend. every time you see him, you would see me and you see him, you would see him. as much as i wish all day, it is not going to happen. a all i got to do for myself and my family is we got to hold him down and do what he want us to do in life. i love you pop. >> reporter: we can tell you that we have learned through the family's attorney that the family and the attorney are going to call for the district attorney to recuse himself from the investigation because he dealt so extensively with the sheriff department here. we have reached out to him for comments but we have not heard back. >> brian, thank you very much. we'll take you to a hospital in india where the dead lly pandem

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s. the u.s. restrictions going to india go into effect at midnight. known deaths, the real number is higher. some of the hardest hit areas are in the forth. p patients are dying in mass as they wait for medical attention. charissa, you've been inside the hospitals. the images are disturbing but tell us about it. you're there. what have you seen? >> reporter: so erin, we went to india's most pop ulace state 20 million people living there and one of the hardest hit states. we saw absolutely desperate scenes and as you said, they are harrowing. they are difficult to watch but the families we talked to want the world to see they're suffering. a man wails in anguish, but no one is listening.

his cry just one of many at this hospital. oh, my child, he says. oh my god. my baby. inside the entrance, his son is fighting for his life. gasping for air, his body convulsi convulsing. there are no doctors attending to him. the hand full of medical staff working in this ward are stretched thin to breaking point. this hospital is completely overwhelmed. the doctors say that they have about 55 beds and currently, they're treating more than 100 patients and you can see people are literally just lying on the floor desperately hoping to get some medical attention. 32-year-old kavita says she's been here for four days begging

for oxygen that has not come. i'm getting anxious she says, nobody is listening to me here. are you struggling to breathe? i'm unable to breathe freely she tells us. no one is taking care of me. in the next room, more than 20 patients are packed in tightly. this is what now passes for the intensive care unit. family members have taken on the role of primary carers where medical staff are simply unavailable. this man complains no one will change his wife's soiled bedding. suddenly, there is a commotion.

will someone please call the doctor this man shouts? mother 55-year-old appears to be slipping away. her sons work furiously to revive her. a doctor comes in and tells them to stop crowding her, but the family is inconsolable. we've been here for six days and only today we got the ventilator for my mother. the oxygen is out. we had to bring an oxygen cylinder. it a story we hear again and again. one man approaches us pleading. his wife can't get a bed. no one is listening to me, i've tried everything he says. so help me or she will die. i'm not a doctor, i'm so sorry, i can't help you. another man tells us his wife is struggling to breathe outside.

they won't let her in. we spot the hospital administrator and ask what is going on. this man says his wife is dying outside and needs oxygen. he insists that oxygen isn't the problem but says they are d desperately short of staff. those who do work here risk becoming patients themselves. these men tell us they above a dozen bodies a day. have you ever seen anything like this before? are you not worried working here? you're not wearing protective gear? we should be wearing proper ppe they say but even the doctors don't have it so how can we? we hear screams coming from the icu. she has flat lined again. her son desperately pumps her

chest. a doctor comes in. he takes her pulse. but it's too late. this time, there is no point in trying to resuscitate her. [crying] >> reporter: the agony of her sons is shared by so many in this country. failed by a health care system on the brink of collapse and a government accused of mismanaging this crisis. [crying] >> reporter: just a few hundred yards away in the same hospital complex it's a very different picture. orderly lines of people patiently wait to be vaccinated. following the prime minister's announcement that anyone over 18 can be inoculated.

a state lawmaker is among 600 people getting their vaccine. the hospitaled a ed administra journalists eagerly stand by to capture the moment. we were just in the hospital over there. >> yeah. >> reporter: it was shocking to see -- >> what? >> reporter: it was shocking. >> why? >> reporter: because the conditions are so bad here. why do you think india has been hit so badly? the hospital administrator interrupts and warns him that we have been asking too many questions. sir, you don't need to coach him what to say. he's telling him what to say. >> we are trying our best and some problems are there but we are trying. >> reporter: do you accept that

the government has failed it people in the handling of this crisis because i've been talking to a lot of people and i have to tell you people are angry. people feel that this didn't need to be so ugly. the situation is not only bad here, we're trying to find solutions he says. we're increasing the number of beds and we're working tirelessly around the clock. but back in the covid ward, the impact of those efforts is not yet being felt. her body is left for nearly an hour before it is finally moved. india's leaders may promise that everything is being done to end this crisis but for now, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. >> i mean, clarisa, the stark difference with the legislature

getting vaccinated and the agony at the other ward of the hospital that you saw, watching people dying. how do you feel the government has done like prime minister modi has done handling this crisis? >> reporter: well, the people that we've been talking to, erin, at places like this hospital in long lines for oxygen at a drive in oxygen center here in deli, the people suffering the most who are literally dying on the streets and can't breathe, those people are angry. they feel that the worst of this could have been averted with certain basic precautions taken. hospitals were not prepared after the first wave of coronavirus. there weren't new beds added. there wasn't proper implantation of how to transport oxygen around this vast country and more than that, we saw these huge political rallies, erin, just three weeks ago prime minister modi standing there with no mask praising this mass of thousands of people for coming out in such high numbers. you had a hindu pilgrimage with

millions of worshippers congrating in the same area. a lot of anger and criticism for the government's handling of this situation. >> clarisa, thank you for that powerful report. thanks very much, "ac 360" begins. >> republican house leader kevin mccarthy has a decision to make and may affect the entire future of the republican party. it is the highest ranking republican in the house liz cheney who is repeatedly and publicly expressed destain for the lies and actions taken by the former president. cheney did it again today behind closed doors. cnn learned congresswoman cheney this afternoon told a group of conservatives at a conference in georgia that to accept the idea that the 2020 election was stolen is quote poison in the bloodstream of our democracy. we'll have more on what she said in a moment but how republican house member kevin mccarthy

deals with cheney