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suffer a lot. >> that's vikas khanna, speaking on "full circle." that's it for us. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." thank you, anderson. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." do you care about school reform, education reform? neither will probably happen and it doesn't matter to what the democrats say. why? take a look at what's happening in the retrumplican party with liz cheney. i know the media and some on the left are starting to talk about liz cheney like she's some martyr. she isn't. cheney is not a cause. she's just proof of trump's effect on the perversion of her party. she is apparently out on her way as the number three. no more. she's on the way out. why would the number three
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leader be out as soon as next week? that's the key. why? because unlike the qanon kook, she won't say that january 6 was a hoax pulled off by a lefty group to cover up that trump really won. and here is the man who is making that happen. kevin mccarthy. he used to say he's about big tent, this is about the conference losing faith, not him. he wants everybody here. no, he's not about the big tent. he's about the circus. a freak show the faciealty to o man. prove it, you say. i'll let him prove it. >> i think she's got real problems. i've had it with her. i've lost confidence. someone just have to bring a motion. >> that's him on a hot mic. you see, he doesn't say that on tv. but he was dumb enough to say it when he was still micced. he wants her gone. it's not about the conference.
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it's not about him capitulating to the masses. and it's because she will not do what he did which is lie about the terror of january 6, a day he started by telling people around him, he cursed at trump, call off your dogs. but he ended soon after like this. paying fealty, homage. why? why now say that trump called you and then sent people to stop the insurrection which really wasn't an insurrection because there weren't enough guns and not really to be considered terror because the blm protests the summer before weren't. cheney at least sees the reality that her fellow retrumplicans are desperately trying to pervert. quote, this is about whether the republican party is going to perpetuate lies about the 2020 election and whitewash what happened on january 6. liz will not do that. that is the issue. that is true.
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and the answer is that you will only have people in leadership like mccarthy and like this one, representative elise stefanik, who may replace cheney, because as long as it's a woman, you know, it's an even swap, right? no. there's more than gender. it is inherently skewed to make trump happy like he was with stefanik for defending him during his impeachment. listen to him. >> most incredible, what's going on with you, elise, but did i not realize, when she opens that mouth, you are killing them, elise, you are killing them. [ applause ] >> she pleases the president. she says no, no, no, the election was a big lie and he likes it. listen to her. >> tens of millions of americans are rightly concerned that the
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2020 election featured unprecedented voting irregularities, unconstitutional overreach by unelected state officials and judges, ignoring state election laws, and a fundamental lack of ballot integrity and ballot security. >> now, she knows that that is all poppycock. they were only worried because people like her were feeding her false notions of perfidy. but when the states that were largely run by republicans went through their own numbers, and why would they lie, they wanted trump to win, it came not to be. but this is what passes for a republican now. so what does that mean for any chance of progress on anything that all of you say you want worked on? let's take it to the better minds. david gregory and charlie dent. charlie, good to have you back. do you disagree with any of the premise, am i wrong about what's happening in your party? >> no, i think you're correct,
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chris, that liz cheney is in real trouble, hanging on by a thread. leadership wants her out, and they're trying to push her out. my heart says she can hang in there but my brain says she's in real trouble. it's all because of the fact that she won't yield, she's strong-willed and she wants to state the truth and too many of the members find it easier to, you know, to criticize and throw out the woman telling the truth rather than condemn the man who's been spreading this big lie and these false narratives. >> david, the last time there was a huge difference between the people who publicly said that she had to go and the people who said -- the 140 who said january 6 was a fraud, and those who voted in private. it was only like 60, 70 something that went against her in private. that's why she survived. do you think that's still the play, the state of play in that party or do you think now you must be loud and proud? >> yeah, that's what worries me, is that you do have to be loud
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and proud. kevin mccarthy, who came up in a different republican party and is now completely laying himself at the altar of donald trump, is the only way to hold the party together, the only way to unify the party, which in his mind is winning the house and becoming speaker, all of that is by getting trump's blessing. let's think about liz cheney, what she represents and where the republicans are uniting. it's not around conservative principles, which you could do in taking on the progressive biden agenda. it's not even around what you might think if you're a conservative or otherwise a critic of the excesses of the left on culture wars, on cancel culture and the like. that could unify people. that's not what we're talking about. it's unity simply around the lie that the election was stolen, which conservatives on the supreme court and elsewhere and
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judges on other levels all said there was no basis for that. so think of how narrow the unity point is. >> so look, we have the facts that support the move, charlie. we have -- put up the numbers. 23% of republicans admit biden won, not that they like that he won, that he did win. 28% of republicans say trump had something to do with the capitol riot. so this is the underpinning of the big lie. the lie itself is not the concern for me because it's demonstrably false. it's the implication. if that many people in your party believe those things, then doesn't that mandate that those in power, those in the rank and file within congress, do not work with democrats, because if they do work on anything, they are therefore going against the big lie by showing that they believe that biden is president? so don't they have to not
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cooperate? >> well, i think it's very hard for them to cooperate. for many of these members, their political safety is tacking hard to the base. it's that simple. they feel that that's their political reward, not seeking consensus or compromise. that's the bad news. the good news is there are enough members who represent more moderate or centrist districts where they do need to compromise in order to survive. you talk to those members of the house problem solvers caucus in the house and senate, they're classic examples of why. chris, this problem has been around for a long time. i remember going to a white house super bowl party right after barack obama was elected, being criticized by people in my district, my republican friends, for telling me i was somehow a traitor for watching the super bowl with the president of the united states when the pittsburgh steelers were playing, for pete's sake. that's how crazy politics is these days. david, what's your take? >> i think this question of cooperation is not about this
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new version of the republican base, which is just the trump base. i think a lot of conservatives have decided to stop cooperating with biden. they gave him the -- you know, he was able to get through the second covid relief bill. i was real questions about infrastructure and some of the other progressive policies that the president is going to pursue. and i think republicans made a decision early on in biden's term as they did with obama, which is, we have to oppose almost from the start to keep people together. but i do think that's a separate question from what you're talking about, which is how big does this trump base get. he already demonstrated he can't get reelected based on that. but it's still a big enough number. >> but charlie, here's the thing. you say these moderates and some of these positions, they have to. i don't see it. first of all, we haven't seen it. but also, going forward, they will be savaged by their own.
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this is a party that will hang with matt gaetz. i'm all for due process. he would be a dead man on the left because it's all about the process. here they stick with the qanon kook and kill liz cheney. if you're a moderate, aren't you a dmw, dead man walking? >> let me push back for a second. >> please. >> a lot of these members, for example on infrastructure, i think these people in the problem solvers caucus are going to put forward a real proposal just like they did on covid at the end of last year that became a basis for an agreement. i think they'll do the same thing on infrastructure, that could force their hand to deal with a real compromise. i realize it's a stretch but it's a possibility. i completely agree with you what you said about marjorie taylor greene. the fact that she wasn't dealt with forcefully, they threw steve king off committees, as they should have, for his incendiary comments. >> eventually.
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he said plenty of stuff and they were mum. >> but they're marginalizing -- what's scary to me is they're marginalizing rational members like liz cheney instead of marginalizing the whack jobs. that's the problem. when boehner was speaker, ryan, they were pretty good about pushing out the kooks and empowering the mainstream. >> i just don't see -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, i want to build on that, which is, how do you build a governing party where you marginalize, as chairman charlie is saying, actual conservative republicans like liz cheney who is not going to support what biden is doing. >> i have an answer for you. you will be bound together by your collective victimization. and here is how it happens. this is now in the democrats' lap, right? what are their people pushing
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for on the left flank especially? blow up the filibuster. muscle it through. these people won't work with you. we're making the case right now, they won't work with you, we have to do this. but the moment that they do, i think joe manchin is right, and i don't think there's just one joe manchin in that party either, they're just letting him do the talking for them in the senate. they will revisit upon you, this blown-up filibuster, in a way democrats could never get together and marshal power. mcconnell will make you pay. this kind of republican party will make you pay. and that is going to scare the democrats. and if they do get past it and force manchin, somehow find a way to blow up the filibuster, you will victimize the republicans and they will be able to go into the midterms saying, we're the victims, we're the victims, it's not that we're crazy, forget about the qanon kook lady, they victimized us. so the democrats have to play this right, as obviously, ugly, and egregious as the retrumplicans state of play. your take, david?
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>> i agree with that, and i think the victimization is already happening, the argument you're hearing from the trump base -- and by the way, a lot of republicans would rather not have trump but they want his supporters and that's why all this feeds into it. they want people to believe, look, you know, this is not on the level, and that the election was somehow rigged and democrats are messing with our voting systems and that means that there's going to be more people of color who are voting and probably illegally. this is their argument, the victimization argument. and that you're going to marginalized and lose elections and at the same time you'll be marginalized in society. so it becomes social, very existential. i think all of that is already happening. and yeah, you want to layer on the idea that then they stacked the deck by using the levers of power like the filibuster? then they dig in. >> it happened so fast, forget about cheney, an rino, untrue
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given her family lineage, to being out next week. trump changed the party out of power faster than he did in power. david, charlie, thank you both, especially back to back nights, charlie, thank you for doing it, good to see you, brother. the president announced new vaccine goals. but isn't the game over? there's so much hesitancy that seems to be baked in. why? the wizard of odds says the answer is in the numbers, next. i think the sketchy website i bought this turtle from stole all of my info. ooh, have you looked on the bright side? discover never holds you responsible for unauthorized purchases on your card. (giggling) that's my turtle. fraud protection. discover. something brighter.
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president biden says july 4, that's the big day, we're going to celebrate independence, and independence from covid as well. that's when we reach 70% of u.s. adult population with at least one shot. that's his hope. but where are we? 56% of adults having at least one shot. it's okay. 35 million more people would be
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needed to want the vaccine, to reach the 70% goal. doesn't sound that much, does it? but it may be unreachable despite the administration shifting strategies. we'll find out what that means in our next segment with the big covid guru for the biden administration. but there's also a steep decline in vaccination rates. why? why might it be unreachable? harry enten, the wizard of odds, is here. make the case. >> here's the problem. you can get an idea by looking at the rate in which we are seeing the vaccinations take place, new people getting a first dose, and take a look at the people who want a first dose immediately. what do we see here? what we see here is pretty clear. that is, the people who have gotten the first dose has been climbing rapidly since early march, 25%, 36%, 47%, 56%. but where are those people coming from? they're coming from the people who wanted the dose as soon as possible. that number has been shrinking
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from early march from 30% back then to just now 7%. so basically we've gotten the low-hanging fruit, the people who wanted the vaccine, who were lining up, willing to go at midnight. those people have mostly been baked into the pie. now the real question is can we get the people who are perhaps more difficult to get. >> and more difficult means the vaccine hesitant and vaccine resistant. how do you delineate those? >> so essentially, what we're talking about here, when we say vaccine resistant, we mean the people who say, i'm never going to get that vaccine, i don't care what you do to me, i'm not going to get it. and that number has been fairly stable. look at this, back in early january it was 19, 19, 21. now it's at 20%. that number has not moved. the real people we should be focused on at this point if we want to get more people vaccinated is the vaccine hesitant group. that number in fact has been shrinking, 39%, 30%, 24%, now 17%. what that shows me is that if
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you get the right messaging, you can get these vaccine hesitant folks. that 17% of the population is who we should be focusing on. we should not necessarily be focusing on the vaccine resistant group because that group, to me, is just not gettable. >> if the resistant group, the question for me becomes how much of this is politics. so what do you know about the leanings of the hesitant? >> yeah, you know, i think there's a lot of folks out there who are saying that the hesitant group are people who are hard-core republicans, that's why we need donald trump to go out there and give a message. but take a look, i'll explain this slide. this is the vaccine hesitant group, that 17, 18% of the population who will wait and see whether or not they'll get the vaccine. look at their political preferences. among that particular group, only 31% of that group actually supported donald trump back in 2020. 20% supported joe biden. look at the vast majority, that 48% said they either supported someone else, didn't vote at all, or they didn't have an answer to that question.
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these are people who are separated from the political process. these are not the people that you can reach through normal channels. it's going to take a new innovative thinking to really get a lot of these vaccine hesitant people to actually get the vaccine. >> you and i were talking in the office about, and that means doughnuts, beer, or bonds, as we see being offered in different places to incentivize. i'm going to have the whole incentive conversation next with andy slavitt who is obviously the big shot for the biden administration. but you said no, look, there's some other hesitancy factors here to also put in. let's show that, concerns about covid-19. >> look, you essentially say, among this vaccine hesitant group why are they saying they don't want to get the vaccine. look, a lot of it is side effects, they're very worried about the vaccine. 74% said serious side effects. 43% were afraid they would get a side effect and miss work. 36% said they might get covid-19
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itself from the vaccine, which is not possible. then 28% said they can't get it from a trusted source. it's not necessarily that people can't get the vaccine. it's that they don't want to. we have to intercentivize them. we have to give them knowledge, we'll give them a free doughnut as they do at krispy kreme or some beer and give them the knowledge, let them go into their doctor's office where their doctors can inform them about what the truth is about the covid-19 vaccine and not some garbage they might read on the internet. >> harry, thank you very much for laying out the numbers, we appreciate you for keeping us straight. the wizard of odds, everybody. >> thank you, sir. should there be more perks for the vaccinated? i said yes. are there? no. we're leaving it to the private sector. is that okay? biden announced some new ways to do it. and we have a senior adviser for covid here to explain what the new ambitions are, how they can get it done and how he'll deal with what harry just laid out,
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convincing. being consequence convinced of y for getting a vaccine. >> andy slavitt, head of the white house covid response team, good to see you. >> thanks, chris. >> let me get a fact premise out of the way. how much of the problem remains access in minority and underserved communities? >> that's some of the problem still, chris. for people who work and get paid by the hour, who don't necessarily get time off from their boss, who don't have vaccines located in their communities, who don't take walk-nwalk d wa walk-in hours, there are people who need it to be easier. what the president announced, walk-in hours, tax credits to give people time off, that will help. it's not all of the issue but it's part of the issue. >> if this is a facet of
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systemic inequality, then you have to be careful in creating preferences. but if people do have access to it, and this is just about making it easier, then i don't understand why the full thrust of the effort isn't, if you are vaccinated, you get preferences that others don't. like even in the list of things, working with private businesses, okay, but how about like tsa lines? you know, if people know, if you're vaccinated, you get on one line at the airport, if you're not vaccinated, you're going to have to go in and get tested at the airport, and please come three to five hours before your flight. an incentive like that could make people who are on the fence think, you know what, i know things are opening back up, i need to get in there and get the vaccine. what do you think? >> i think carrots work. i think sticks are not what's appropriate right now. the thing we have to understand, there's a bunch of us, i think you're on that list, i'm on that list, to whom getting a vaccination wasn't a tough
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decision, it was something, we didn't need a lot of data or consideration, we just did it. for people like us, it's sometimes difficult to understand that there are a group of people, and harry mentioned them in his segment, that actually just want more information. they just take a little longer time making the decision. for them, this is a big decision. they don't necessarily want to feel like they're being manipulated like marionettes. they're not necessarily all pro-government. what they want is they want information and they want simplicity because for them, it's not as clear. and so they need to understand about the 150 million americans that have been getting the vaccine. they need to understand that it's easier to get the vaccine. and so down the road, i'm sure those things you speak of will occur naturally. we're seeing it at universities, we're seeing them at other places saying, really, you need to be vaccinated for all of us to be safe. but right now, we don't think that's the principal motivator. >> right, i'm just saying it has two outcomes. one is, okay, you don't want to force them, great. but the people who have gone out and gotten the vaccines are waiting for them.
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and, you know, you've still got to wear a mask inside, the vaccine still doesn't make sense in terms of, we thought this thing was supposed to be the magic and we're not back to living any way we want, we're not really getting preferences except businesses by businesses. that group is waiting also. now you have a new challenge. kids. pfizer comes out and says 12 to 15, they are approved. i have to tell you, even when me and my wife, she's vaccinated, i'm vaccinated, kind of knocked me sideways, that's okay, i had covid, i was expecting it. but with our kids, we're going to be a little bit, hmm, i don't know. the big shot, she's 18, she wants it, okay. but that's a much bigger challenge. how do you expect to get that done anywhere near in time for school and what happens if you don't? can schools require it? >> not only do we want to get it done in time for school. we want to get it done in time so kids can really enjoy their summertime activities without having to worry, without wearing masks. that's what the goal will be.
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obviously we'll wait for the fda. that comment shouldn't be interpreted as foreshadowing or even leaning on what the fda will do. they'll make the decision based on the science. but if they do make the decision, parents say one thing matters above all, and i want to know if this is true for you and your wife, it's what do the pia transitions say. 90% -- so i think the pediatricians who will actually be giving out the vaccines themselves have been studying this, we've been to goalking to them, we've been on phone calls with them in anticipation of this. we're hopeful this will be something that parents will look at. >> you can't have schools require it this fall, right, andy? you won't be ready. >> i think the 12 to 15-year-olds, with any luck, we have a very good shot at being able to vaccinate over the summer. even younger groups that that, i think things are progressing pretty quickly. so we'll have to see. we'll have to let it play out. but i'm optimistic. >> is there a chance that
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schools could require it for certain age groups that have had the opportunity? >> well, my understanding is that these are local decisions. i also think that -- my understanding is that it can't be required until it goes from authorization to approval from the fda. now, people may remember that we have an emergency use authorization. and by the way, chris, not just with kids, but more broadly, people expect that once the fda goes through the final approval process which is expected this summer, there will be a pretty significant increase in the number of people that take the vaccines because that's the signal some people are waiting for. once that's done, then employers and schools and others in consultation with their lawyers, et cetera, they have more options in terms of requiring the vaccine. >> hmm. you'll still have a situation where the elementary kids in all likelihood aren't vaccinated. >> very true. >> so there won't be any mandate there. but that middle school, high school, so if the locals decide,
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hey, we're going to mandate that you are vaccinated, is that something that you would think is a reasonable measure, if the access has been there in their communities and catchment areas? >> i'm not going to make policy on that now, because i don't have the authority to make policy on that. but i do think that everybody is going to be in a situation where they just want things to be safe. and i think the one thing we know for sure is that if you get vaccinated, life is safer for you. there's one thing that everybody who has died of covid has in common, one thing that virtually everybody has in common, and that's that they're not vacc vaccinated. people who have vaccinated, the only thing they have in common is that they're not dying from covid and they're not spreading covid and kids may not be likely to die from covid but they are likely to get sick and some of get long term ill, as you may know, as you know personally,
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and they can certainly spread it to adults. we think parents will hopefully see that. >> andy, i look forward to seeing how the new set of ambitions, the new set of directives and messaging, helps on people that may just be slow to the approach, as you were saying, because that's probably your best chance to get the 35 million new ones. because if this is a red/blue thing for them, then it's not going to happen. if they're hesitant, that's one thing. if they're resistant, they may be stuck where they are. i wish you luck for all of us and i appreciate you being here. >> thanks. and i just add, text your zip code to getvax and that will tell you where to get your vaccine right near you. >> say it again, i didn't hear you. >> yes. getvax, text your zip code to getvax and you will get an immediate list of three places near you that have a vaccine in stock right now. >> i can't believe you didn't start with that. andy slavitt, thank you very
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do you think trump should be allowed back on facebook? do you think it's better for him if he isn't? more of that victimization that he loves to feed on the right fringe. the question has sparked a heated debate between those who cry "free speech!" and others who are concerned about public safety. facebook suspended trump's account after the january 6 capitol riot, citing the risk of for inciting. now a decision is expected to be
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made tomorrow but not by facebook ceo mark zuckerberg. instead it's an independent oversight board, known as the supreme court for facebook. that's who makes the ruling. ahead of it, team trump announced the launch of what his pals at hate tv are calling a new communications platform. the fact? it's a blog on his website. so bs aside, what is to come and what will it be based on? cnn's donie o'sullivan joins me now. good to see you. >> hey, chris. >> i'm right, for all the hype, it's just a blog on the website, right? >> absolutely right, it's a total distraction. his adviser jason miller has boasting for a while that president trump is going to set up a social media empire. this is not it. this is maybe them trying to show they can do something. but it's a blog, it's a website, it's not a platform. >> i still think that he doesn't have the wherewithal to capitalize and come up with his own media entity.
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his play will be getting a piece of one of the already existing ones on the righty fringe and them getting his face and time there and him getting a big equity stake. but let's deal with the president. these people who are going to decide the facebook situation, who are they, this 20-group independent panel? >> they are very esteemed, accomplished public intellectuals. there are human rights lawyers. there's the former editor of "the guardian" in london. there's 20 of them in total at the moment. they're basically described as facebook's supreme court. why did this get set up? facebook got in a lot of trouble the past few years making these decisions, what to do with trump, what not to do with trump, whether to take down false information, whether to leave it up. so mark zuckerberg, facebook, got tired of making these decisions themselves, said we shouldn't make these decisions, we shouldn't have all this power and they set up this board which they claim is independent. whether it is or not, we will find out, i guess, in the coming months ahead.
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but this, what the decision ultimately comes down to is, should trump be allowed back on the platform. and the two sides are, one side is should the guy, the former president of the united states, who incited an insurrection using this platform, be allowed back on, and what does that message and precedent does that then set for other world leaders and dictators? if you let the guy back on, are you essentially saying erdogan or somebody else somewhere else in the world, another world leader, you can incite violence but not be permanently banned from this platform. the other side, and it's a legitimate argument, is to say should facebook have this power, should facebook, no matter how bad what a world leader is saying, should a private company have the power to shut down, as they did at the time, a sitting president of the united states. >> a private company does. but as we know, what we're debating is, these aren't just
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any private company. how many of the 20 have to decide, to make it so? >> that's a very good question. there has to be a majority. so -- but the oversight board is not actually telling us how many of their board members are going to vote on this. we also, unlike the supreme court, we're not going to know who voted what way. so -- and we also don't know how much these oversight board members are being paid, which ultimately is being paid by facebook, facebook pays into a trust they say is independent that funds this board. so there's a lot of things that are not transparent about this board, which is trying to strive for transparency. >> while the media is not filled with as much obnoxious trumpism as it used to be, just look at congress for the amount of influence he still wields. this will be interesting. thank you for helping us understand better and more. donie o'sullivan. >> thanks, chris. now a window into trump's current influence even if he's not on social media, liz cheney.
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trump has proven he does not have to be in office to be in control. just ask liz cheney. her time as number three in the house may be very short. long-time trump supporter and house gop leader kevin mccarthy has -- he's not declaring. we caught him on an open mic and he says he's had it with cheney. why? her criticism of the former president and refusing the lie about january 6th. he can't have lost. what does it mean for a knapp trumper in the current gop, not even trumper -- what does it mean to anybody to everybody that was alive on january 6th
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there's another one who has felt the republican ire, cindy mccain. you know her. window of senator john mccain. her brand-new book "stronger, face, courage and humor in my life with john mccain. yoits it is good to have you. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> i miss the senator ripping me to shreds before every interview i ever did with him. one of his favorite lines was i wish i was there. or i wish you could leap a little closer so i could get a clean shot at your nose. he had human o with with you he had principle. you knew that those were two things you can count on. ms. mccain, you said you have hope the party can regenerate itself and swing away from the
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disgrace it has become. i know you just wrote it, but watching what's happening now, do you still feel that way, but for now-ish this party is going the wrong direction? >> when john and i first started all this, the republican party was really, truly a wonderful place to be. it was the party of inclusion. it was the party of abraham lincoln, all the things that we know about it. at the point we're at right now, there's only one way to go and that's up. the pendulum will swing and we will regain what we've been good at for so many years. i believe that republicans -- good moderate republicans believe that, too. >> but they're being forced to be quiet because the pendulum hasn't stopped swinging the other way. you may hear them say we want women in the game. but you know what? gender is not enough.
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you have bob effort and the qanon lady. not all ladies are the same, it turns out. you see this person being groomed to take over for liz cheney what does that tell you? >> yeah. i think our party does have to be careful about being a party of inclusion, not just women but people of color, gay folks or folks of whoever gender they choose to be all need to be a part and welcome in our party. but we do need to be careful. it doesn't serve any good if we oust someone who's a good representative of the republican party. >> you can be whatever identity you want as long as you go with what trump said which is that the lie of election must stand ate it doesn't matter what you say. what you learned from john and
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joe, meaning biden, the president, of course, who is friends with your husband, good friends, you got trouble on your hands. cindy mccain, even with the pedigree of your family, you can't talk about joe biden as being a good guy. >> well, i watched joe and john work together across the aisle. the different is they did it for the good of the country. right now they're so misguided, they're doing it for what's good for themselves. we have got -- as i said before, i truly believe that the pendulum will swing back. i think we're going to hit some more bumpy roads, though. trump is not going to go downest. >> if the biden administration offered you a position, would you consider taking it? >> i would serve in any capacity
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if the president would ask, yes, i would. >> i think in the interest of what you're talking about people of good faith who want to do the right thing should not be held in check by any partisan affiliation. i just wanted you on the record for that. i wish you well going forward. i wish you well with the book called "stronger." >> thanks. >> cindy mccain, i remember your husband well. >> thank you. >> be well. >> thank you. >> we'll be back.
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