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♪ hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world, you are watching "cnn newsroom" and i'm rosemary church. just ahead, u.s. president joe biden sets an ambitious new target, give at least 70% of american adults one dose of the covid vaccine by independence day, we will look at whether that can be achieved. plus, will former president donald trump be allowed to return to social media? facebook's oversight board is set to rule on that in just a few hours. and two americans on trial in italy for allegedly murdering
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a police officer will soon learn their fate. we are live outside the italian prison where that trial is being held. ♪ good to have you with us. well, the u.s. president who was quick to tap 200 million vaccine shots under his administration now has an even more ambitious goal. joe biden wants 70% of american adults to get at least one vaccine dose by independence day. the fourth of july. president biden is also pushing to get more teenagers vaccinated. erica hill has the details. >> i want american parents to know that if that announcement comes we are ready to move immediately, ready to vaccinate those adolescents as soon as the
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fda grants its okay. >> reporter: that authorization for pfizer's vaccine for 12 to 15 year olds could come early next week. >> it certainly gets us closer to herd immunity. >> reporter: the company says its data show 100% efficacy in that age group. adds for younger kids, pfizer is targeting september to apply for emergency use authorization for 2 to 11 year olds. >> maybe this is our opportunity to enlist those kids to bug their parents who might not have gotten vaccinated to get vaccinated. hey, it's worked with smoking. >> reporter: access is also key. the president touting a new website and text option to find nearby doses along with plans to shift supply to rural areas. >> our goal by july 4th is to have 70% of adult americans with at least one shot and 160 million americans fully vaccinated. >> reporter: 56% of adults have at least one shot, but the average daily pace of vaccinations is slowly, down
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nearly 27% in the last two weeks. >> we know these vaccines are incredibly safe, we've got to get on our toes here. >> reporter: biden encouraging states to offer incentives to boost that number. >> ticket give a ways, in-stadium vaccination programs, discounts on merchandise and other creative ways to make it easier and more fun to get vaccinated. >> reporter: several states and cities already on board. in seattle shots will be available at the mariners home games and in new jersey free beer? any new jerseyan who gets their first vaccine dose in the month of may and takes their vaccination card to one of the following participating breweries as proof of vaccination will receive a free beer. >> reporter: reopening plans are in full swing. >> our goal, ladies and gentlemen, is to be fully open by july 4th. >> reporter: chicago's massive auto show set to return in mid-july. pennsylvania eyeing may 31st to drop covid gathering
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restrictions. while in oklahoma it's a return to normal life today. >> back in february i cast a vision that we would get our summer back. oklahoma, now is the time. >> reporter: here in new york the city is aiming to bring students back full-time for school in the fall, but says remote learning is actually here to stay for snow days. in new york i'm erica hill, cnn. and dr. anthony fauci appeared on cnn to discuss president biden's new vaccination goal. he says it will be a challenge, but one that's doable. >> the important thing that people need to remember is that when you have a large cohort of people to vaccinate it's easier to get a larger number on a per-day vaccination. we were between 3 and 4 million per day. as the pool of people who are unvaccinated gets smaller, it gets a little bit more difficult and that's the reason why you want to do a modification of
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strategy. i think we're going to be able to do it. i mean, it's a challenging goal, but i think it's a doable goal. as the president said, you want to get 100 million vaccinations in the next 60 days. i believe we can do that. >> joining me now from los angeles is dr. jorge rodriguez. thank you for talking to us and for all that you do. >> thank you. >> so facing pressure to do a better job showing the benefits of getting vaccinated and returning to some level of normalcy, president biden announced this new goal tuesday to get 70% of adults vaccinated with at least one dose of the covid vaccine by july 4th. right now we're around about 56%. how is he going to convince those still hesitant to get the shot? what are they waiting to hear? >> well, i think they're waiting to hear that if we do that, and i think it's very accomplishable, that life will return to some semblance of normalcy and i think it will.
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i think we need to take california and los angeles where i am now as the model. the state of california has reached approximately 50% of the people vaccinated either with a total or first dose. we're calling this the tipping point. our infection rate is .6%. things will be opening up. it's one of the lowest if not the lowest in the country. when we reach that level we may not reach herd immunity but we will reach a point where we really can start being a little more normal-ish, if you will. >> and we want that. the fda is on the verge of approving the pfizer vaccine for 12 to 15 year olds, those kids make up about 5% of the u.s. population. what's the best way to get them vaccinated and convince their parents that they need to do this? >> well, i think the parents need to know that their children are at risk for contracting covid. when a segment of the population has been vaccinated and there is a segment that has been left
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unvaccinated, that is the segment that the virus is going to prey upon. that's going to be the children. therefore, if they want the children to return back to school they should be vaccinated. if they want their children to be safe and not contract covid, they should be vaccinated. that should be enough to convince, i think, almost any parents. >> it's so important to get that messaging right, isn't it, because for some people they understand t others are still digging their heels in and coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories in relation to that. so how worried are you that this pandemic could be prolonged and even return with a vengeance in the winter if not enough americans and other global citizens get vaccinated, india of course being a stark reminder that this is not over yet? >> honestly speaking i'm quite concerned and i think that people need to realize that, that unless we have a global effort to stop covid infections,
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this is going to linger for years, not for months, but for years. you have to realize this is almost a year and a half since we already started and the virus started in china. so if you have pockets of infection throughout the world, those pockets are going to create mutations, they are going to spread. they are in this together. so am i concerned? yes. and i think the reality is that unless people really buckle up, do their bit, get vaccinated, this is going to be prolonged for years. >> and of course we know from data that 20% of americans are resistant not just hesitant, but resistant to getting this vaccine. so if we can find out some sort of message to reach those people, that's what we need. dr. jorge rodriguez, thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure, rosemary. and we head to india next where the covid crisis accounts for one in every four coronavirus deaths and nearly half of all infections in the world in the past week.
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that is according to the world health organization. the government reported nearly 3,800 deaths today. meanwhile, a court in the most populous state says patients dying due to lack of oxygen is nothing short of genocide. and many are blaming prime minister narendra modi's government. charissa ward has our report. >> reporter: as a ramging pandemic torah cross the country thousands flocked to the streets for political rallies with hardly a mask in sight. at one gathering india's prime minister narendra modi praised the turnout. i've never seen such huge crowds at a rally. on that same day more than 260,000 new cases of covid were recorded in india. shortly after millions of worshippers were allowed to congregate for the end of the week's long hindu pilgrimage.
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after all, modi had already declared victory against covid. >> translator: in a country where 18% of the world population lives we avoid a tragedy by saving our citizens from the pandemic. >> reporter: as a second wave of coronavirus ravages this country, those words have come back to haunt modi. critics accuse him of putting his political interests ahead of the health of the nation. >> we didn't even ask the question of what we needed to do based on learnings from this last year in the event we would have a second wave, a second wave was never off the table, you just had to look around the world, you don't have to be a scientist to say that. we did nothing. instead we celebrated a bit too prematurely, indian exceptionalism. >> reporter: now india's health care system is on the brink of collapse with shortages of everything from doctors and
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drugs to beds and oxygen. after years of neglect. it was always going to be difficult to contain the spread of covid here in india. this is a densely populated country of nearly 1.4 billion people. the indian government is blaming the rapid spread on this new double mutant variant and it says that it warned states to remain vigilant. still many doctors agree that the devastating toll of this second wave could have been mitigated with better preparations and a coordinated response. assured a victory against the virus india began exporting the vaccines it was producing instead of inoculating its own population. >> how much responsibility does prime minister modi bear for this? >> he is the prime minister of the country. he takes full responsibility for all that we do good and all that goes wrong. >> reporter: do you think this will have an impact on his
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popularity? >> i think as of now what we have seen especially over the last three weeks is complete policy abdication and certainly i hope that we hold our government accountable for what we are seeing today. >> reporter: the government has announced a raft of measures to try to combat this crisis, including drafting in medical students to help doctors, getting the navy involved, getting the air force involved, but some are saying simply that it's too little too late and while it's not clear what the political fallout might be for prime minister modi, people are saying here that this problem is not going away, one state health minister warning that there could be a third wave on the horizon. clarissa ward, cnn, new delhi. so let's bring in cnn's anna coren following developments live from hong kong. good to see you, anna. of course, a lot of questions being asked about where all the medical aid coming from overseas is being distributed and where
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prime minister modi is right now because no one has seen him. what is going on? >> reporter: he has been mia now, rosemary, for more than two weeks. yes, he is tweeting and if you go to his twitter account you can see him tweeting about certain policies and congratulating certain ministers on political results, but really when it comes to a commander in chief, addressing his nation in a time of crisis, he is virtually absent. and people are saying it is time for him to speak up and speak to his people. you mentioned the aid, more than 300 tons of aid has arrived in the last five days, and once again, where is this aid? why isn't it getting to the hospitals that so desperately need it? we know there is acute shortage of everything, in particular oxygen, those acute shortages of oxygen are still being felt
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across the country and in the capital delhi. the health ministry today, rosemary, said that it set up two oxygen plants to try to alleviate some of those shortages that the capital is facing, another five plants will follow, but it's very slow moving. we have been covering this story now for two weeks and the question is why is it taking too long when you've got 36 countries from around the world pledging aid, sending it, why are people still dying? the high court in the most populous state in india, 200 million people, also one of the hardest hit states during this second wave, the high court there has been scathing of its criticism of the state government in its mishandling of the oxygen crisis. it has described it as a
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criminal act and nothing short of genocide. i mean, such strong language, unfortunately the ramifications are not there. this is really just a slap on the wrist, but people in india are feeling it is up to them to look after one another because the government has abandoned them, rosemary. >> it is unacceptable and of course a life/death situation. anna coren bringing us up to date from hong kong. many thanks. donald trump was suspended indefinitely from facebook in january, but will that decision be reversed just hours from now? we will find out.
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ever -- >> president trump has been banned indefinitely from facebook. >> reporter: banned from facebook, 35 million followers. >> we believe that the risks of allowing the president to continue to allow the service is too great. >> reporter: a move that shook the political and technology world, facebook and twitter's decision to suspend trump after the deadly january 6th insurrection. >> and we're going to the capitol. >> facebook one of the biggest companies in the world is afraid that the outgoing president will use its platforms to continue to incite violence and riots. >> the risk to our democracy was too big that we felt we had to take the unprecedented step of what is an indefinite ban and i'm glad we did. >> reporter: trump may be allowed back on facebook and instagram. >> i guess the request he is what's the line of how political they should be, especially as we move past his presidency. >> reporter: facebook has set up an oversight board, it's a kind of supreme court for the platform, it's made up of experts in areas like free expression, human rights and
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journalism from all around the world. they review decisions made by facebook to see if they were fair. the board's first big test is whether facebook should have suspended trump. >> oversight board if it takes on a case will review that and apply facebook's own community standards and international human rights law to decide kind of thumbs up or thumbs down whether the right decision was made, whether it should be reversed. >> this case has two components to it, the first component is did they take the right decision on the 7th of january when they prohibited now former president trump from posting content on facebook and instagram. the second component is a broader question around what is the appropriate course of action when we are talking about political leaders. >> reporter: it's the first time a tech company has tried something like this. >> the importance of the oversight board can't be understated and arguably from my perspective probably the most important thing for the last, you know, decade or two to emerge in terms of human rights
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and digital rights and freedom of expression in relation to the digital era. >> reporter: critics of facebook view the oversight board as not truly independent of facebook. susan is the head of penn america but only recently joined the facebook board and will not be involved in the trump decision. she told cnn the board is not just about facebook doing the right thing. >> obviously facebook has its own motives in this, let's be clear, they're a profit-making enterprise, this he wouldn't have done this if they didn't think it was good for business. they have taken some steps in putting money in a trust and creating an independent set of trustees that oversee the board itself and so there's some efforts to make it genuinely arm's length. whether those go far enough we will have to see but i think it's crucial if the board is going to play any kind of useful role that that independence be respected. >> reporter: on wednesday all eyes will be watching as the board makes a decision that will
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send ripples through the republican party, washington, d.c. and across the world. >> this is most certainly a consequential case also, not only of course for the united states, but the world as well. >> reporter: and what this board decides to do with trump's account will set an important precedent possibly for other world leaders, for dictators in other parts of the world. essentially if he is allowed back on facebook one could argue that facebook is saying you can use our platform as a world leader to inspire a deadly insurrection and we will not suspend you indefinitely. that you can eventually come back on our platform, but on the flip side of this, of course, is there are many concerns about the power of silicon valley, the power of companies like facebook that no company like facebook that play such an important role in public discourse should be able to kick off a world leader as it did with the then president of the united states
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back in january. donie o'sullivan, cnn, washington. lawyers for derek chauvin have filed a motion for a new trial arguing the interests of justice and abuse of discretion that deprived chauvin of a fair trial. it comes as one of the jurors is explaining his decision to take part in a march on washington rally last year. cnn's adrienne broaddus has more. >> high school basketball coast. >> reporter: brandon mitchell is better known as juror 52 in the derek chauvin murder trial that ended last month but now the 31-year-old high school basketball coach is responding to criticism surrounding this photo, it shows mitchell wearing a black lives matter baseball cap and t-shirt saying, quote, get your knee off our necks. mitchell told the "star tribune" this photo was posted to his uncle's facebook account after the march on washington last august, commemorator martin
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luther king june's i have a dream speech. did he not authenticate the photo. that neck also known as get your knee off our neck has racial march demanded calls for police reform and racial equality. he said he participated in a voter registration drive in washington not a protest. >> voter turnout, being a part of that and being able to attend the same location martin luther king gave his speech was a historic moment. >> reporter: during jury selection questioning mitchell was specifically asked by attorneys about protests in the twin cities immediately following george floyd's death last year. he told the "star tribune" he responded no to the following questions, did you or someone close to you participate in any of the demonstrations or marches against police brutality that took place in minneapolis after george floyd's death? and other than what you have
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already described above, have you or anyone close to you participated in protests about police use of force or police brutality? last week mitchell talked to us about his experience. >> i feel like the evidence was overwhelming. >> why did you want to be a member of this jury? >> i personally felt like it was a historic moment. by me just being on the jury alone and being a black man from minneapolis, that alone was already a historic moment just by being on the jury regardless of what the verdict would have been. >> cnn's adrienne broaddus with that report. time for a short break. when we come back investigators are trying to figure out what caused the deadly metro collapse in mexico city and they are calling in international experts to help.
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mexico's president has declared three days of mourning after the deadly metro disaster in the capital city. flags will be flown at half-staff. parts of an overpass collapsed on monday killing 24 people and injuring almost 80. engineers are inspecting the train line and early investigation results could come friday. matt rivers picks up the story. >> reporter: it took only a matter of seconds for the horrific disaster to unfold as this rail overpass in mexico city collapsed. plunging railcars and passengers on board into a heap of concrete, dust and rubble, killing at least 24, and injuring dozens more. first responders initially
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worked furiously to try to save anyone who may be trapped in the rubble, but rescue efforts were temporarily suspended overnight, given concerns about the stability of the subway cars. as the run rose workers attempted to stabilize the scene and safely lower two of the cars that dangled precariously over what was left of the line 12 overpass. the chaos of the aftermath giving way to anger as officials struggled to provide answers for how such a catastrophic structural failure could have happened as reporters openly questioned the government about long-standing safety concerns, the president vowed a swift, thorough and transparent investigation. the people of mexico will all know the truth he says, nothing will be hidden, but there is no impunity for anyone. construction of line 12 or the so-called golden line was a widely touted construction project from 2006 to 2012 during the mexico city mayoral term of
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the now foreign minister. a project that residents later complained was riddled with corruption and shoddy works manship. >> translator: the metro was poorly done, the whole tron struks was poorly done. >> reporter: in 2014 after his mayor concluded stations had to be suspended to fix what the then director of the metro system called engineering failures. mexico's supreme audit institution found that the government, quote, failed to comply with legal and administrative provisions to verify the work on the golden line had been carried out correctly, but the federal district attorney ruled there aren't enough elements to hold him personally responsible at the time and on tuesday the current metro director pushed back on allegations of engineering weakness. at the end of 2019 a study of the structural andy owe
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technical behavior of line 12 was constrducted by a national company. the results didn't reveal any risks in the operation. for his part on tuesday abrard offered his condolences to the victims and vowed to cooperate fully with the investigation. he said this is the most terrible accident we have ever had in the public transportation system after determining what caused the accident with proof and evidence you have to, quote, establish who is responsible and the authorities will have to act as a result no matter who that is. engineering teams are on site looking at any needed immediate fixes to the remaining elevated sections of line 12 as well as conducting tests into the source of the structural failure. they are expected to release their preliminary findings on what caused the collapse on friday, but for the grieving families whose loved ones were lost those findings are likely not to bring comfort but instead perhaps raise more questions about what could have been done to avoid this tragedy in the
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first place. matt rivers, cnn, mexico city. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has failed to meet a deadline to form a new governing coalition and end israel's political deadlock. president rivlin can assign coalition building to another member of the parliament and if that succeeds mr. netanyahu's lengthy rain as prime minister may be over. let's bring in hadas gold, she joins us live from jerusalem. what is the latest in this political development? >> reporter: well, in just the last few minutes lipide just met with the israeli president where he asked to receive the mandate. he did make the formal request. that will be the next step.
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that is the next step to see if he will receive that mandate and if he does receive it if he will be able to actually form a government. last night in the minutes before midnight prime minister benjamin netanyahu's party announced they were not able to form a majority government and they were going to send the mandate back to the president. he could have asked an extension but they did not. probably because it was pretty clear over the last few weeks that they would be unable to form a president. now we wait to see whether the israeli president will give it to lipid or another member of the parliament. most analysts do believe that lapid will receive the mandate all eyes will be on a member of a small party, bennett, he is the belle of ball that everybody wants to dance with. prime minister netanyahu offered bennett a rotating leadership
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deal where he would be prime minister for one year and netanyahu would be prime minister and lapid is offering the same kind of deal to bennett and he will holds the keys as to whether lapid will be form a government. if lapid does form a coalition it will be an interesting coalition across the spectrum when it comes to the party that make it up. many people see the coalition as an janet netanyahu block. they could bring an end to benjamin netanyahu's long rule. if they fair to do so and if the president fails to find somebody else who can form a government coalition israelis could be heading to a fifth election. until there is a new government in place i should night prime minister benjamin netanyahu stays in power. rosemary. >> let's hope they can break in political deadlock. hadas gold joining us live from
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jerusalem. many thanks. coming up next, the hot mic moment sending shock waves through the republican party how trump critic liz cheney may have learned her political fate from leaked audio. nish quantum, you save up to 20 gallons of water each time. finish quantum with activblu technology has the power to remove the toughest stains without pre-rinsing for dishes so clean they shine. join finish and skip the rinse to save our water.
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a new development in the republican party's infighting. the house minority leader let his true feelings be known about a member of his own party in a hot mic moment. it signals the very public rift between kevin mccarthy and trump critic liz cheney might soon come to a head. ryan nobles has more. >> reporter: house minority leader kevin mccarthy has had enough. the gop house leader caught on a hot mic telling a fox news host what he really thinks about liz cheney. >> i think she's got real problems. i've had it with -- i've had it
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with her. you know, i've lost confidence. >> reporter: the edited audio which does not include the questions, a clear sign the wyoming congresswoman's days in house leadership are numbered. >> well, someone just has to bring a motion, but i assume that will probably take place. >> reporter: just a few months ago mccarthy defended cheney from the backlash of conservative members angry over her vote to impeach former president trump and her critique of his role in the january 6th insurr insurrection. [ inaudible ]. >> you know, the conference decides all that, we're here talk being small business. >> reporter: now mccarthy seems content to let the conferences far right members take cheney out of her role as the third ranking house republican. >> i have heard from members concerned about her ability to carry out the job as conference chair, to carry out the message. we all need to be working as one if we are able to win the majority. >> reporter: cheney meanwhile seems prepared to go downswing, refusing to lie about trump.
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this is about whether the republican party is going to perpetuate lies about the 2020 election and attempt to whitewash what happened on january 6th. cheney aeks spoke person jeremy adler said in a statement liz will not do that. that is the issue. as the pressure mounts cheney in a closed door meeting with donors said that trump's behavior on january 6th was just too much for her. it is a threat to democracy. what he did on january 6th is a line that cannot be crossed. the jockeying to replace cheney is already under way. sources tell cnn that new york congresswoman elise stefanik is already making calls about the job. some republicans would like to replace cheney with another woman. in addition to stefanik jim banks who chairs the influential republican study committee is being considered, a dark horse, mike johnson of louisiana. democrats are seizing on a gop
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drama. house speaker nancy pelosi sending an email accusing republicans of looking for, quote, a nonthreatening female speaking replacement for house republican conference chair. and senator mitt romney of utah who was recently booed on a stage at a state convention in part because of his vote to convict trump during his last impeachment trial. >> aren't you embarrassed? >> reporter: defending cheney today, tweeting, liz cheney refuses to lie. as one of my colleagues said to me following my impeachment vote, i wouldn't want to be a member of a group that punished someone for following their conscience. it seems more and more likely that cheney's reign as the third ranking house republican could come to an end as soon as next week. many house republicans telling cnn that the vote could come at the next republican conference meeting which is scheduled for wednesday, may 12th. ryan nobles, cnn, on capitol
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hill. and this just into cnn, there are reports at least two indian delegates of the g7 have tested positive for covid-19 and reuters is citing british officials as saying india's entire delegation is now self-isolating. india's foreign minister tweeting this, i was made aware yesterday evening of exposure to possible covid positive cases. as a measure of abundant caution and also out of consideration for others i decided to conduct my engagements in the virtual mode. that will be the case with the g7 meeting today as well. the foreign minister has been meeting with other top diplomats this week including u.s. secretary of state antony blinken. the meetings will go on on this the final day. top diplomats have been arriving at lancaster house soon or they have been arriving at lancaster
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house. earlier u.s. secretary of state blinken met with his counterparts from japan and south korea. he also sat down tuesday with british prime minister boris johnson, the u.s. and britain are looking to build a unified front on russia and china and blinken is set to head to ukraine later today. the pandemic has also been a major focus. cnn's scott mclean joins us live from london. good to see you, scott. what is the latest on all of this? >> reporter: rosemary, first a quick record on the reports of those positive case from the indian delegation. for normal people entering the uk they have to quarantine at a managed hotel property for ten days. there are obviously exemptions for these kind of foreign diplomatic missions. anyone who is not with the official delegation who can't do something while in isolation is exempt. but obviously family members, things like that still have to isolate in the place that they are staying and they are encouraged to take tests on day two and day eight while they are
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here, rosemary. just a little bit of background and a little bit of context. it shouldn't be too surprising that there are positive cases coming from the indian delegation considering they are registering more than 400,000 new cases every single day and there's plenty of speculation that the real numbers are much higher than that. when it comes to these g7 meetings you mentioned that the meeting between the japanese foreign minister, the korean foreign minister and u.s. secretary of state antony blinken this morning, japan and south korea have often had a frosty relationship but the u.s. is trying to get those two countries and really all of the g7 countries, south korea is not by the way an official member of that on the same page when it comes to countering chinese human rights violations, countering what americans call economic coercion tactics. the u.s. diplomats or u.s. officials, state department officials, said that there's also widespread agreement amongst g7 nations to get taiwan included in the w.h.o., which obviously would draw the ire of
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china. they've made clear that, look, this isn't a binary decision, you don't have to be just for or just against china, but they do at least want to get everyone united in insisting that china follows the rules or what americans call the international rules-based order. i want to bring up a couple other quick things, first is on vaccines, yesterday the u.s. and uk agreed that manufacturing capacity for vaccines ought to be expanded to try to get the pandemic to come to an end quicker, but there was no hard commitments around things like international property -- or intellectual property rights which many people argue would help to speed up the process. vaccines are on the agenda again today. a lot of people will be listening closely to see if there's any specific commitments made there. one other thing i wanted to point out and that's the situation in myanmar. yesterday the state department officials who spoke to the press conceded that sanctions against the military there, this military that's been involved with this brutal crackdown
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against any and all dissent in that country often violently or deadly, those sanctions have simply not worked. u.s. state department officials are conceding, one said i don't mean this as a cop out but sanctions do take time, saying that, look, they are symbolic things to show protesters that the americans are with them but the u.s. is reluctant to take further sanctions, more broad sanctions, so as not to make life any more difficult for ordinary people, rosemary. >> scott mclean joining us live from london, many thanks. two americans charged with murder in italy will soon know their fate. for now they are waiting on a verdict that could change their lives forever. we will go live to rome after the break.
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begun in the case of two americans charged with the murder of an italian police officer. the jury is expected to hand down a verdict very soon. prosecutors have asked for life sentences for each of the men. we have more from rome. >> reporter: two americans from california standing trial in italy for murder are about to
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learn their fate. finnegan lee elder now 21 and gabrielle natale-hjorth now 20 are charged with extortion in the stabbing death of a police officer who had just returned from his honeymoon in july 2019. they face life in an italian prison. rega a 35-year-old officer and his partner working under cover intervened in a drug deal gone wrong after the two americans admit to buying what they thought was cocaine in a lively district in rome. when they found crushed aspirin instead they stole the backpack from the man who had set up the bad drug deal, then they tried to get their money back in exchange for the stolen bag. rega and his partner met the americans on behalf of the drug dealer to retrieve the stolen bag. what happened next is unclear. the surviving officer says they identified themselves as
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carboneri. elder and natale-hjorth say they didn't. they say they were expecting the man to fix the drug deal. when the two undercover cops showed up instead the americans testified they thought they were thugs. elder admitted in court to stabbing the officer 11 times with his military-grade knife he brought from america. he says it was self-defense. all the dead officer's wounds were on his back and sides according to the autopsy. the prosecution has asked for life in prison, some of it in isolation for both. the case has divided italy. everyone feels sympathy for the young widow who lost i her husband, but many wondered why the police interviewed without their weapons or backup. the other officer was ultimately put on probation for not carrying a weapon that night. elder's american lawyer craig peters who has collaborate wd
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his italian defense tells cnn that the boys have taken responsibility for what they did. now he wants the carboneri to do the same. >> it's easy, convenient, expedient to lay the blame at the feet of these boys because everybody else gets to walk away unscathed. if you want your police force to get better, if you want anybody to get better at being a human being and doing their job you hold everybody accountable and everybody responsible for their portion. >> reporter: now a court has to decide if the young americans acted in self-defense or in cold blood. their life depends on it. >> barbie, when might we learn the likely fate of these two americans? >> reporter: well, the two judges and six jury members are deliberating now, they've been in there for about 45 minutes. we don't know how long it's
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going to take. there are five charges with many extenuating and aggravated issues and that have to decide whether or not they have charge the boys or find the boys guilty or not guilty together or separately. there is a lot to discuss. we really don't know. the judge when they sent the jury to deliberate didn't give any kind of a time frame. we assume it will come today but it depends on whether or not they believe these boys acted in self-defense based on the evidence presented or whether they acted maliciously. that's what this comes down to and that's what the debate inside this prison behind me in the deliberating room is really all about right now, rosemary. >> we will be monitoring that verdict. barbie nadeau, many thanks. thank you for your company, i'm rosemary, "early start" is up next, you're watching cnn. have yourselves a wonderful day.
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