just so matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene can get some attention, and it's really just a money grab so they can do some big fundraising. but here when you talk to people around the villages, like trump, they have very strong feelings really on both sides about matt gaetz. one republican telling me that he says matt gaetz is a rising star in the republican party. so somebody is out there to take him down. so that's sort of what the thinking is here and what we're dealing with here in the villages. but we'll see if he addresses this tomorrow night. because last time he was the headliner at an event at the doral club in doral outside miami, and he spoke there and just a couple of weeks ago and he said that he addressed them head-on. so we'll see if he takes it up tomorrow night. anderson, we'll be here. >> thank you very much, randi. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for cuomo "prime time." >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." do you want to avoid another attack on the u.s. capitol? if so, you need to pay attention

as what is passing as leadership on the four-month anniversary on the insurrection in the party of trump. >> i fully support the audit in arizona. we want transparency and answers for the american people. what are the democrats so afraid of? >> you got the answers from the republicans in that state and the other ones. you don't want transparency because the republicans in that state are keeping the processes quiet. maybe the fear is based on a reasonable suspicion of a farce to promote a fraud known as the big lie. but this is the talk that got us to that fateful day. now it is fueling the ascension of trump's apparent choice to replace the highest ranking female member of congress in his party. someone who refuses to repeat the big lie, and that is the sum total of the difference.

that is the test. so now you see it play out. what will come of an audit carried out by a nowhere group called cyber ninjas. go look up their website. they have no experience in election monitoring. they're using secret processes that the state gop is helping them keep secret. they're pursuing conspiracies like fraudulent ballots being flown in to arizona from asia. so now literally these ninjas are reportedly checking for bamboo traces on ballots. buying into the big lie is now called supporting the team in the trump party. where better to make that pledge than in an interview with the poise and populist and trump pardonee steve bannon? >> my vision is to run with support from the president and his coalition of voters. this is also about being one team. and i'm committed to being a voice and being a clear --

sending a clear message that we are one team, and that means working with the president and working with all of our excellent republican members of congress. >> no, you mean a shill, not a clear voice. and listen to that, the president. does she mean biden? he's the president. no. she means to advance the big lie, trump is the president because he is still in power because he really won. and to be clear, even stefanik knows this is about the big lie. and it's the only credential. how do we know she knows? because listen to what she said about liz cheney when she was up for leadership. >> liz, i was very proud to nominate you to serve as our conference chair. that is the highest position of women in the republican conference, and we think you're a huge asset in that role. one of the things that you and i have talked about is the

importance not just of supporting women candidates, but reaching out to women voters with our message. can you talk about how you plan to tackle that as conference chair? >> well, thank you, elise. >> she endorsed cheney. now she condemns her. it's all about the bona fides of the big lie. conservatism is gone. stefanik talks the big lie talk. she does not even walk the gop policy walk as much as cheney did. just look at the voting record. this tells you what it's about. you guys who say look, i've got to stay with her, i'm conservative. it's not your party anymore. well, look, i'm a reagan republican. i believe in -- it's not your party anymore. stefanik only voted with trump 78% of the time over her congressional career. cheney was 93% of the time. the conservative club for growth panned stefanik as not a good

spokesperson for the house republican conference. she is a liberal, they called her, god forbid. 35% cfgf lifetime rating, fourth worst in the house gop. so then how is she on the ascent? because it's only about the big lie. the evidence is clear. conservatism was in conflict with trumpism. always was. the conservative swallowed him because and what he did and what he said because they wanted the power. but now he has taken it over. he is winning. the party is increasingly about opposing any biden policy, debunking the idea of systemic inequality. 3/5 compromise, that was good! and pushing the big lie. this is all clear. what is unclear is what can be done about it and what it will mean for our democracy. better minds michke smerconish,

charlie dent. you knew stefanik. she is kind of the new breed, let's work with the other side, let's do this, let's do that. how did you find her? >> i knew elise when she came to congress. i had been in for ten years. she was a young vivacious more moderate pragmatic young millennial woman. and she could speak to constituencies that republicans had difficulty with, women and younger people. and that was her brand. she was very good at it. she is very adroit. she is very talented. she is very smart. i worked with her on issues like i remember when trump wanted to not allow the transgender to serve in the military. she led the charge to help stop that from happening. i worked with her on that. i worked with her on missile defense at fort drum. so i've had a very good, positive working relationship with her. i saw her push back very hard in

meetings with paul ryan. we would meet weekly to discuss policy and tactics with the freedom caucus, just a few of us. and she would join me in pushing back against mark meadows and jim jordan and mick mulvaney at the time. she was very effective. once that impeachment meeting occurred, that brand changed when she became more of a trump loyalist. >> so what is her play, mike? >> charlie dent and i have lehigh university in common. and i remember a first semester government class where dr. frank kolland said remember this, political parties exist for one reason, and that is to win. even though a lot of folks' harrison fire, those who have hair, chris, and the revelations and the way the gop is playing this hand, it might be a winning hand. don't overlook that. notwithstanding the fact that it's untethered to reality. 2020, 2020 was not a bad year for the gop. did well in the house. at least drew to a 50-50 draw in

the u.s. senate. picked up a gubernatorial mansion, did better in state legislatures than did the democrats. donald trump drives that base, even though he couldn't pull it off. and i don't know if charlie will agree with me saying this as an outsider, but when all is said and done, those republican members of the house, they don't care if trump wins. they care if they win. and he will drive their base. >> so charlie, and at the end of the day, we keep citing this statistic, but we need to put it in context. it's 50-50 in the senate. but the 50 conservative, whatever you want to call them. the 50 senators on the right. i still don't know what to call the party. i keep playing with it, represent 20% of the u.s. population. isn't this what it is really about? isn't that what you see in stefanik? there is no momentum toward the masses. it's about the shrinking pie of white and often scared people being scared by politicians like her, frankly. and you got to hold on to that. so you have to play to it.

and that's the party. there is no big tent. >> well, yeah. i think, chris, what you're saying is this. republicans, too many republicans are trying to reject the diversity of the country. they need to stop fighting it and embrace and find ways to appeal to folks to vote for them. that's what they need to do. and when they talk big tent, big tent does not include marjorie taylor greene, the qanon folks, and these whack jobs on the extremes. that's not who we want in. we're trying to grow the party on the right but certainly more towards the center. >> who is we? >> we should be the republican party. that's what it should be doing. to grow, to speak out, to speak to meet with. go into the communities. i would go to dewaally festivals. that's how you expand your coalition. >> native americans. >> native americans, african

americans, 3/5 compromise, michael we're hearing about. 3/5 compromise was a god thing. that's what is bubbling up from the bottom. 3/5 compromise was to help end slavery. native americans, you know what is being said about them. this is the move in your party. i don't know -- michael left the party a long time ago. charlie, you just left office, but it's your party. you're trying to fight from the outside in. you guys lost. it's over. i mean, that's what stefanik tells you. that's what mcconnell shutting up. remember what he said about the 6th? ho horrible, horrible what he did. he can still be held responsible, trump. now i don't look backwards. i look forwards. it's over. the question is what is the price, michael? what is the chance going into the next election, they can get so many people so close to believing that it's all a fraud that we have something like january 6 on a different scale? >> sadly, i think it's a pretty

decent chance. if 70% of republicans, that's according to a cnn survey that i saw, agree with this narrative, then they're united in that purpose. and i think it sets up whole series of dynamics that are dangerous for the country. because people might not accept the outcome of the midterm election. and then where are we? if the successful strategy is one of republicans sticking together on this issue and they pick up the half dozen seats that they need to control the house of representatives, you know who will be standing there thumping his chest and taking all the credit and setting himself up as the nominee in '24. that will be donald trump. so this is what i'm trying to explain. as untethered to reality as it may be, it's a pretty decent scenario for him. >> right. and it's about this shrinking number of districts. it's really the politics of the redistricting, charlie. if we look at the numbers, do me a favor. throw up that full screen. if you see from 2012, 2020, here

is the breakdown in her new york congressional district. put up the numbers, please. it goes from 52 democrat, 46 republican, to 43-54 republican. this was opportunism for stefanik. it was not coincidence she went talking big tent to talking the big circus. this is how you stay in. this is the choice your party made. as mike says, this is the way to win as far as they're concerned. the question is for how long. >> well, in her district, look, that's a pretty trump district up there. by the way, that trump district was held by a republican for 100 years, except for four years from 2010 to 2014. she is in a safe district. she have a pragmatic profile. she has become much more trumpian. the challenge for republicans right now, it's taken -- there are ill liberal elements within the party that are moving it in this bad direction where trump

is, on this kind of warm feeling towards autocracy, feelings of this protectionism, nativism, all the things we've talked about many times. that is the challenge in the party. how do you move away from that? and we need to get principled leaders in the party standing up like liz cheney talking about rule of law. and by the way, news flash. there is going to be an announcement pretty soon. a lot of us are putting together principles about what a center right movement should look like that embraces tolerance, that embringses the constitutional order and all the things that we ought to be standing for as a center right country and a center right party. >> well, look, i'll tell you what. i'm not in the partisan game, although i do believe there should be more than two parties. i'll tell you where you should start with your principles, fair elections. and fan out all over this country. smerc and i are going to be talking in the midterm elections about how people don't trust the

vote all over the country because exactly what stefanik and the rest of these voices are doing right now. charlie, i got to jump. i look forward hearing what the slate of proposals are. you're always welcome to argue it here. and smerc, you're just a gift. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> trump party, i'm telling you, you just have to look at what's happening. this is not my musing, okay. this is not how i feel. this is demonstrable as fact. stefanik making the shift is pragmatic. the trump party is about election suppression. they're going say the last election was fugazi, was false. we have to make changes to make it fair. and every change that's being made is to undo something that got more people to vote. florida's governor made a shoaf it on trump state tv this morning. the latest effort to restrict voting rights was in florida. now texas. okay. two of the biggest states in the

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i really hope you understand what the point of discussing this shift on the right is about. it's not incrementalism. it's not inside the bubble. it's not just about political parlor talk. i'm not into any of that, and you should know that by now. this is about what is coming next. and this isn't about some kind of apocalyptic fear. i'm telling you, they're going to attack the election process going into it, because the numbers are working against them on the right. the big lie is being worked into wisdom. it started as laughable. i'll give you that. especially with republicans validating and certifying the votes in their own state. i got it. but not anymore. with representation and electeds

on the right fueling it, it is now becoming lore. you see those places where they talk to people on the street and they say what do you think about the election? well, i think biden lost. how do you know? well, we'll see. now what's the next step? you say it's true. now you make it true. how? law. governor desantis of florida joined retrumplicans in arkansas, georgia, iowa, utah by signing a law to restrict voting access. okay. i could show you him signing it. but as his office said, quote, it was an exclusive live stream event with fox. tonight it is texas putting on a show. the house voting on a bill that among over things creates one set of rules for big democratic counties and one set for the rest of the state. the key is to remove whatever seemed to drive turnout in the last election in polices like

houston. you know, where minorities live in big numbers. like what? like drive-through voting, using arenas as voting centers, keep in line. keep them there, nice and long lines, hot. waiting is going to be the new poll tax. a price that seems like it's race neutral because it's about money, it's not about color, but you're going to have to pay that price to exercise your right to vote. and you're going to wait if you're a minority any chance they can make it happen. my next guest knows the reality in texas. his name is ron kirk. he used to be the secretary of state and the mayor of dallas. ambassador, welcome to "prime time." do i have any of this wrong? >> chris, i don't know how much more i can add. i mean, you couldn't have made it plainer, more honest than you

did. and the reality in all of these states, georgia, florida, all those you mentioned and texas, we are not solving a problem. this is not about correcting any flaws that were in the previous election. and this is not about voter id. republicans have done a pretty good job making this about ideas. one person say i got to show an id to get on the plane. why can't i to vote? we already have some of the most restrictive voting laws in the state. this is precisely what you said to make it more difficult for people of color, for poor people. but i think it's also going to make it more difficult for many of our senior citizens, chris, who very much enjoyed a privilege of either voting by mail, or voting early. and it's all so that republicans cannot only keep the advantage that they already have in texas, but they are trying to breed life into the lie that donald

trump continues to feed to his base that somehow the last election was stolen from him. >> now one of the mistakes that is sometimes made in combatting these conspiracy theories is we don't repeat it enough. part of the weaponization of conspiracy theory is repeating it. some things bear repeating. they say transparency. transparency is i know who you are. so you show an id. and everybody has a driver's license. why does something that sounds so simple wind up creating a problem in communities of color? >> well, the reality is they've already done that, chris. we already have voter id requirements in just about every one of these states. now, the reality is there are states, particularly in the south. my mother and father weren't

born in a hospital. most block and mexican-americans were weren't because they weren't allowed to be. so they didn't have birth certificates in some cases. then you couldn't get a drivers license. but i want to be clear. this is not about the voter id requirements. we've already called them out. thinking is about safety. and that's what i want to talk about. here is second prong. no, no, ron, you got it wrong. it's about safety. and safety and security means you've got to shorten some of these periods. we'll give you some time, but shorter. fewer places to drop it off. fewer people who can get it from other people and deliver it, because that's safer. that's what we're trying to do. we're trying to make it so that people can't use fraud here. what do you say? >> well, according to the republicans' own attorney general bill barr, donald trump's own data security export whom he fired for saying the last election was the safest and

one of the most secure elections we've ever had. this isn't about that. and chris, i've got a very real concern, having grown up in the south, having seen first and what my parents had to endure to vote. the combination of what we're doing in texas with our legislature almost unfathomably about to pass something called constitutional caring. what we saw in our country on john 6th sat our nation's capitol may become the norm among quote/unquote republican poll watchers who are going to be armed to the teeth. this is something about creating an environment that makes it more difficult for people of color to vote. and it's going to bring an element of intimidation the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1950s and jim crow. >> i heard the other day, someone said yeah, yeah, they

should carry weapons because that will make them safe, and it will keep them really safe from the threat which is people coming to vote. that's what they want. fewer people to vote. ambassador ron kirk, we will not leave this alone. every time a law is put up, we will show what it is and we will show what it is not, and you are welcome here, sir. >> well, chris, thank you for everything that you have seen and are doing to keep this in front of the american public. >> that's the gel. be well. >> thank you, my friend. >> okay. remember how the retrumplicans voted on pandemic relief? i do. it's an easy number to remember. zero. voted to pass biden's aid package for millions of struggling americans. so okay, so what? did you hear what they're saying now about it? bolo, next. hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this...

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all right. i got a bolo, be on the lookout. truth abuse. republicans are touting the benefits of covid relief as they campaign in state. but remember, every single republican in congress voted against president biden's sweeping $2 trillion relief bill. why? because they oppose

opportunistically. and here we expose hypocrisy. that's the job of this show. the benefits of the package are starting to be felt across the nation. many of the struggling places have representatives that voted against their own struggle, vaccine funding that has pushed covid levels to its lowest point in months. economic relief helping businesses open back up. republicans all over the country are promoting pieces of the very legislation they oppose and voted against. why? because the opposition isn't about principal. it's out of pragmatism. it's opposed to show you are against biden. they rally the base. we oppose, we oppose, we oppose. tax and spend socialists. but they can't have it both ways. not here. this was congresswoman nicole maliatokis back in march. >> this bill is not tailored to the specific needs of our nation or citizens. this is an epic fail. >> is it? in the weeks that followed, the

first term republican would soon issue this. a news release that celebrated $3.7 million from the package toward community health centers in her district as one of her, quote, achievements, unquote. without shame, she said she prided herself on bringing federal funding to the district and back into the pockets of tax parents. she didn't vote 40. she voted against it. and when she says i always like this part. it's the other part. that's bs, okay? republicans all wanted to go smaller. they said things like the $1400 checks and the extended unemployment benefits and the health grants, it was too much. it was too soon. hey, that's fine. those are legitimate arguments. but keep that same energy. now don't forget what house minority leader mccarthy told you. >> help is not on the way. help is not on the way.

>> now he's calling attention to a massive fund that would help struggling restaurants. as is congressman greg pence. sound familiar? he is the vp's brother, the former vp's brother. his tweet reads "help is on the way." here was his brother, vp pence, speaking against the bill in february. >> i rise today because the democrats' newest proposal is yet again a political statement rather than a sincere effort at covid relief. >> yeah, that's his brother. that's his brother saying it. the vp was railing against it. there he is now. what's the point? this is about having it both ways. biden now is working to push republican lawmakers to support his $2 trillion infrastructure plan. the guess republicans will oppose. why? mcconnell just told you, right?

he will propose to oppose all biden plans. and if democrats are smart enough to not give them an escape of due process, go through the process, go to committee. let it be marked up, put it on the floor. let's see if any amendments from the right are to compromise or merely to kill. then when they refuse to help on the right, and it gets passes any way, bolo. because if the democrats muscle this through, you can expect they will try to have it both ways. but not on our watch. now interesting offer. want a free ticket to the super bowl? nfl is now among the many businesses, cities, college, daneling delicious and tantalizing carrots to incentivize you to get vaccinated. plus, what could be one of the toughest fronts in the vaccine hesitancy battle? it's coming, next. r car insurane

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vaccine hesitancy. vaccine hesitancy. keep hearing about it. so what are you going to do about it? there are more covid carrots coming. will it help get some of the 35 million more who need to get the vaccine so experts can get us to what they say is the estimate of herd immupt. immunity.

the nfl is in. they're offering 50 select super bowl tick tots fans who share their stories about why they got vaccinated or how they plan to. the new york mets, the yankees, free ticket to anyone who gets an onsite j&j shot. there is more. chicago, free concert series. jersey, university giving students up to a thousand dollars credit. and if you just want free food or beer, some of the companies out there handing out freebie, just to get vaccinated. will it? the next problem is a real problem. it's not us, it's our kids. let's bring in dr. ashish jha right now. the number here, let's make you a politician first. what do you think about the carrots? do you think they'll work? is that the right way to go? >> i like them. i like them, chris. look, the people out there who have not gotten a vaccine yet, a lot of them are on the fence. a lot of them are not sure they want to. but they're also not solely

opposed to it. if a carrot helped somebody jump off the fence, i love it. i think it's great. i think it can only be helpful. >> you hit them with the obvious. some people believe if you get the vaccine, you get the virus. not true. you may have symptoms that make you feel like you have the virus, but that's the rna technology, the science, helping the body learn how to fight the virus. so you tell them a million times. that helps with some. carrots, maybe more. that's not about science. that's about policy making. now we get to what the problem is, okay? let's put up these numbers from the kaiser family foundation. i think this is going to be a huge problem. when the vaccine is available, will you vaccinate your kid? right away 29, wait and see, 32. only if required by school, 15. definitely not, 19. so you got 34% there that is saying no, or only if they make me. wait and see is a nondescriptive polling category, because it

didn't give you an inclination. right away is only 30%. those are terrible numbers. >> yeah, here is how i see it, chris. i'm more optimistic. 30% will get vaccinated. i'm in that group, by the way. i'm going to get my kids vaccinated. they're excited to get vaccinated when they can. the wait and see, i totally get it. these are new vaccines. a lot of parents will say i want to see how it guess. i think it's going to go really well because the data is really good. and i'm hoping most of those parents jump off the fence and get their kids vaccinated. and then we may have about a third who are on that like only if you make me or no way. and maybe some schools will push some of those people over. so i remain optimistic here. i know it's a big hill to climb. we've got get all these people on board. but i do think we're going to get there if we keep plugging away at it. >> and you have been wrong every time. you were wrong about your optimistic, about testing, about what people would do with mask wearing, about where the cases

were going, about how to go with the vaccine. you're brilliant, and it is amazing what you've done at brown university with controlling cases, but the rest of the country has not been to brown university, at least thus this far. here is another problem i'd like your head on. you start losing the political battle if the restrictions are too stringent, because it starts to look like a big brother move. for example, summer camp, okay. cdc guidance. campers and staff still with the six feet. campers with the cohort, three feet. six feet while eating, drinking. masks all times, few exceptions. this is all a nightmare with kids. and it's been so long. everything is reopening. families look forward if they're lucky enough to afford camp. i'm italian. i can't take having my kids away from me. but for families who want their kids away, or for people who are

more healthy emotionally than i am, this is too strict. even fauci said this is conservative and stringent. why? >> yeah, i think, look, the cdc is playing this super, duper safe. i think it's too stringent. here's what i think is going to happen. as more and more evidence comes in, i think you're going to see the cdc revise it. i think it's going to happen in the next few week, and they're going to pull back on most of that stuff. outdoor mask mandates for kids in summer camp? i don't think so. i think you're going see a lot of pulling back of this stuff in the next few weeks, chris. the cdc often sides on the -- errs on the side of caution. i do think on this one they're going to pull back. >> i had a guy in my marina the other day, fishing season is here. and i saw him. i put my mask on when i was walking by. and he kind of laughed and he said let me ask you something. you drink? i said yeah, i love tequila. he said it's terrible for you. i said i know. he said you still eat meat? yeah, i do.

he said it's terrible for you. you're going get cancer. i said something's going to kill me. yet your putting that mask on. i think there is a balance here, you know. if you've had covid, if you get the antibodies, if you get the vaccine, there is still masking you up. they're still creating conditions. they're not giving you preferences. it starts to sound like overreach. and it feeds the ted cruzes of the world, the ron pauls of the world with saying they're just doing this because they can, not because they must. that's a problem. >> yeah. here's how i think about it. first of all, i agree with you. once people are vaccinated, there is very little that they should not feel comfortable doing. these are unbelievably effective vaccines. so the cdc is a great organization. it's got great scientists. they tend to err on the side of caution. they're just very, very cautious people. the bottom line is i think we're going to have to make some of our own decisions, use science

and use wisdom and prudence. and the bottom line is everybody has slightly different risk tolerance. there are people who don't drink, don't eat meat, don't do anything that could possibly harm them. that's fine. that's not the rest of us. so i think we're going to have to draw some lines here. and i expect cdc is going to come more in line with where most americans are going to want to be. like the summer camp guidance is really far too stringent. >> and then when it's really going to be the real deal, school in the fall. if they're not back 100%, we'll have huge problems. dr. ashish jha, thank you very much. i appreciate you brother. >> thank you, chris. the u.s., we're making gains on another pandemic front. we have more americans vaccinated. the economic pandemic is therefore easing, the economic pandemic. but the wizard of oz is here. he is going to show us how the turnaround comes with challenges. forewarned is forearmed, next. ?

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is here. first, let's start with the basic. how do we feel about the economy? >> we're feeling pretty good about it. look. and this is amazing, to me. you know, go back at the beginning of the pandemic. 65% of americans thought it was -- even at the beginning of this year, 56% of americans. now, only 45% feel it's poor. 54%, it's good. you know, last time we went through an economic recovery into the 2010s, it took about nine to ten years to see this type of turnaround and we have seen it in just a year's span. so it's pretty clear americans are liking the way that things are going right now. at least, significantly more so than they did even at the beginning of this year. >> did you just say the otts? >> i think i did say the otts. >> i thought you did, too. in the jobs report, does it matter in the inclinations of republican voters? >> not really. i don't believe so. i mean, look at -- look at this.

what is a big problem according to republicans right now? look at this, 72% say illegal immigration. just 36 say unemployment. and the company of unstricture, right? biden's really hoping he might be able to bring some republicans along with him on that one. just 23% say the condition of infrastructure is a very big problem. here is the deal. we don't really vote on economics anymore, christopher. >> who is we? >> americans, really, don't for the most -- >> anybody some. >> not really. i mean, during trump's term, what we saw, for the first time, even as the economy was getting going. it really had no correlation with his approval rating. this is what we have seen as we go into a deeper and deeper era of polarization. is that there's been this disconnect between how people feel about the economy and how they feel about the president. but i mean, one thing you can just note is that as soon as biden took office, republicans' views on the economy tanked and democrats' views on the economy

s skyhigh. the only thing that changed overnight was the president. everything is about social issues these days, for the most part. and more than that, it's about the party that you belong to. >> so, imagine if donald john trump had not seen the pandemic as an existential threat to the economy. and listened to what you are saying and said, hey, let me play to the pandemic and i am going to be the pandemic guy. if the economy gets hit, it gets hit. they don't vote on that, anyway. we may be in a very different leadership position, today. let me ask you something. i want to skip to your fourth point. i am hearing about this, in so many sectors. the economy's coming back. places in the service sectors want to reopen. but, where are the workers? what are you seeing? >> yeah. this is something that's so interesting. if you just look across a ton of different blue-collar industries, you see in construction, factories, restaurant, trucking. what you see is that a lot of these places are reporting that they cannot, in fact, get people

to show up to actually go to work for them. and this is a very strange thing about this economic recovery that we're seeing, so far. is that it -- you know, i think the pandemic screwed with the economy, in a way that a lot of people weren't used to. and businesses decided to do certain things. so for instance, you know, the -- what we saw was that they didn't, necessarily, put into place the necessary precautions, in order to ensure the workers that they can stay safe from the coronavirus, right? we have seen a lot of unemployment packages, that have come out. it's not clear, what's exactly causing this. >> you know what the right says. the right says that people are making more money not working, than working. so, they don't want to come back to work until the checks stop in september. >> that's certainly the case, for some folks. there's no doubt about that. >> even though that check is as small as it is? doesn't that mean that their wage structure is that crewed up, that you would rather make the unemployment-level relief check than the pay that you are making? so, what does that say about our pay scale? >> i mean, that basically tells you that we're not paying people

enough, right? i mean, i think that is the easy conclusion from that data and we should pay people more. >> is there any other reason that they can't find workers? >> well, i think, as i pointed out, one reason is if you are trying to put folks in a factory, you don't have the social distancing that's necessary. we saw throughout the early parts of the pandemic, a lot of these folks in factories were getting sick because the companies were not putting into place, the necessary or proper precautions to ensure those workers could, in fact, be safe. so i think there are a lot of different, potential possibilities that are going on here. but the fact of the matter is there there is no doubt, even though the economy is improving, that there are still some major issues in certain industries just luring people back to work. and it's not just about luring people back to work. i would love to go to slide three. i know you skipped it, chris. >> because i'm out of time. >> i would just say this. that is, there are supply shortages as well. so we are seeing it throughout different parts of the economy, right? my fried chicken's become much more expensive to buy because we are seeing shortages of that.

ketchup has become much more expensive to buy, or at least there's been shortages of it because people have been having a lot more takeout food and you put little ketchup packets in. there is no doubt it's getting better but it's a bizarre, economic recovery in a lot of ways. >> harry enten, thank you very much. we'll be right back. >> thanks, sir. hot dog or... chicken? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i have an idea for a trade. why don't you call td ameritrade for a strategy gut check? what's that? you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator. get a strategy gut check from our trade desk.

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