been allowed to see 20 seconds. now they will be able to see 20 minutes according to a judge's order. the public has not seen any of it, not a single frame and tomorrow the family will not get full transparency. they want to blur the deputies faces and of course, there are hours of footage from the different cameras. attorneys for the brown family called brown's death an execution. we'll find out what is actually on the tape. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, john berman in for anderson. we're following multiple breaking news. liz cheney is expelled from house republican leadership and who may call the vote. a hay major decision pertaining an unvaccinated segment of the population that could boost efforts to obtain herd immunity. we're talking about our kids or mine literally. we also have a lengthy sitdown

with perhaps the most high profile republican candidate running in the california recall election. former olympian reality tv star caitlyn jenner. >> do you believe that the election was stolen? >> no, i believe in the system, but i believe in the -- what we need to do in the future is we are a democratic republic. we need to have integrity in our election system. i'm not going to go on the past, you know. we're in a post trump era and they still keep -- >> are we, though? >> we're in a post trump era. >> i don't think he believes that. >> we have moved forward. >> a lot to unpack together. let start with the breaking news of the drama unfolding with the house republican leadership vote. jamie joins us with breaking details and our chief political analyst gloria borger. you're learning more how this vote is expected to go on on

wednesday as well as how congresswoman liz cheney feels about all of this. what can you tell us? >> what i think not a lot of people realize is what does the conference chair do? liz cheney is the conference chair. that means she is running the conference on wednesday morning which means it is very likely that she could be the one to call the vote to oust herself, which is either awkward or maybe a bad power play depending how you look at it. i'm told to sources close to cheney, she is not taking this vote personally. she actually sees this as a vote on her colleagues in the republican party. are they going to vote for the truth? are they going to vote for rule of law, for democracy or are they back to sticking with donald trump, john?

>> jamie, do you know how liz cheney actually feels if she wants to call the vote and will this ballot be a secret ballot like it was in february? >> so, i don't know if she wants to be the one to call it but that really could happen. the votes are normally a voice vote, the yeays and nays but if someone asks for a secret ballot and gets five people to second that, it will be a secret ballot. we don't know which way it going to go, but considering what we've seen thus far, i don't think this is going to be on the record. i think it will be a secret ballot. >> so, gloria, there is a little wrinkle tonight. manu raju saying some februarys of the freedom caucus, the conservative wing may want to delay the vote on cheney's replacement for elise stefanik.

what are they telling you? >> be careful what you wish for. we have a true conservative liz cheney given great ratings by all conservative groups to be replaced potentially by stefanik known as a moderate and now is running to be the head of the conference, which is the policy group for the republican party. but the republicans i'm talking to say that's really not what this is about, of course. this isn't about policy and they also say this isn't about the substance of what she believes about the election because a lot of them privately will say yeah, you know, she has a point. what they're talking about is how she has embarrassed kevin mccarthy, imagine that. how he was so good to her and treated her so well and supported her when there was a last secret ballot which she won

2-1 and if you remember the leadership, you ought to go with the flow. you should not make any waves and i had one person say to me, sometimes your friends are too brave for their own good. you don't have to prove your right every time. >> i mean, he just wrote that letter saying as much. this is basically republicans telling you gloria she's making kevin mccarthy feel bad about -- >> right. how dare she? she dare she cross him? i'm emphasizing she there in case you didn't notice? how dare she cross him? he was so supportive to her. she is outraged and jamie knows this better than anybody. she is outraged by what she has seen mccarthy do flip-flopping all over the place and she has every right to speak her mind because it is that important. >> i wasn't clear to kevin mccarthy's feelings were so badly hurt or he was so sensitive about this stuff. jamie, where does this go from

here? how do you see this playing out? >> kevin mccarthy, he's concerned about looking bad with one person and that's donald trump. at the end of the day, he is doing donald trump's bidding because donald trump cannot stand that liz cheney voted to impeach him and has stuck to her guns. i think where this goes next is kevin mccarthy may win the battle. liz cheney expects the vote to go against her and has from the very beginning but liz cheney is in it for the roar. she's going to keep campaigning about democracy and the future and making sure donald trump is not running in 2024. so this is liz cheney unleashed, john. this is just the beginning. >> does she expect -- she had 40

plus votes against her last time. does she think she'll get 40 votes in her defense this time? >> i don't think she has any idea what the vote count is. i am told she is not whipping it because she feels this is about principle over politics. so she is not whipping the vote. to the best of my knowledge, does not know how the vote is going to go. >> so jamie was talking about the long game that liz cheney is playing. there is a video released by accountable gop that features liz cheney speaking out against the former president. what do you think of liz cheney's long game here? do you think this is something that she will carry forward all the way to 2022? >> look, if she weren't serious about this, john, she wouldn't be doing this because she's putting herself on the sacrificial alter here and saying look, i believe in something so strongly that you

can use me as an example and do whatever you want. this is something i don't believe she's going to give up on. i don't believe that others in the republican party are going to give up on. for example, mitt romney just came out and supported her today. we know that adam king zinger i there. they're not the majority in the party but they think democracy is important enough to be speaking the truth about what occurred. >> no matter what someone's feelings. >> yeah. >> might be. gloria borger, jamie, great to see you both. thank you so much. i'm joined by delegate stacy who was an impeachment manager for democrats when donald trump was impeached for ensighting the insurrection. if i told you when you were an impeachment manager, three months later the big lie on the election would be so persuasive republicans would lose their jobs in leadership for not supporting it.

what would you have said? >> i'd say i'm not surprised. >> really? why? >> you know, well, i mean, you watched during the impeachment that individuals who agreed with us and even a kevin mccarthy who had a colossal fallout argument cursing match with the president on the day of the insurrection on january 6th went to the floor to say that he was responsible and then several days later mea culpa was following the trail of donald trump going to mar-a-lago and asking for forgiveness. if that's what the leadership was doing right there several days after the insurrection and on the impeachment floor, you had senators who agreed privately that we'd in fact made our case but that they would not vote us with and then you have mitch mcconnell basically

summarizing our opening and closing statements in agreement with us and then saying why he was not going to support it. of course, this is of no -- this is not a surprise. the republicans are following what their message is they have decided obstruction is a big lie, is divisiveness and triable and in some corners of the republican conference out right white supremacy, anti-semitism and racism. >> do you feel the election is spreading and more people and more republicans believe it today even than early february? >> i'm not necessarily sure if that's the case. i believe the republican party itself in elected positions are more concerned about retaining their power than speaking the

truth, more concerned about being a part of the gop than they are about the direction of this country. we have seen this time and time again. they have in the instance of president biden putting forth the american rescue plan voting against the rescue plan and then each one in their own district toting the benefits of it will probably see the same thing on the american jobs plan that they have just become a party of obstruction, of know. they are not a party that wants to get to yes but wants to support the american people. they want to support themselves and their quest for power. >> you know, republican congressman adam kinzinger said of his own party, he said right now it basically the titanic we're like in the middle of this slow sink. that was the quote there. what does that mean? you know, you can be a democrat who opposes republicans on policy but still think the two

party system is important. what does it mean for american democracy, not the democratic party but democracy if the republican party is in a slow sink? >> well, what it means and the trouble it is for democracy is not particularly a party is being divided over ideology and direction, which, you know, happens through generations and through time but the problem that is happening within the republican party is that divisiveness is what is over democracy itself. over what makes us america. are we going to be continuing to be a country of laws, a country that has full fair elections that expands the amount of people that are able to vote, that allows new ideas and innovation to be a part of our country, that tries to uplift the middle class? or are we going to hold on to our own power whether it means

stopping the very things that the founders fought so hard for. that being elections, that being the ability of all fus to pursu happiness and that's the fight going on within their party and that's why the demise of the party is troubling because it is those who are fighting to retain that democracy it appears to be on the minority side right now at least within the leadership of that party. >> appreciate it. thank you for your time. still to come tonight, our breaking news on coronavirus and what the fda did today that could potentially expand the pfizer vaccinations to millions of americans and later, a wide ranging interview being in the public eye for decades first as an olympic gold medalist and reality tv show and now a republican candidate in california's recall election. dana bash interviews caitlyn jenner when "360" continues.

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what do the trials show about the vaccine in this age group? >> i share your excitement and relief as a parent myself. i really want our children to be able to experience the benefit of these extraordinary vaccines the way we as adults to. in terms of your question, the dose is the same for the 12 to 15-year-old category as it is for 16-year-olds and above. the study thus far by pfizer found that they had more than 2,200 participants and found that there were 18 cases of covid-19 during their trial. all 18 cases were in the placebo group. nobody that had the vaccine contracted the coronavirus. it seems to be 100% effe effectiveness. i know so many kids of the category so eager to get back to normal and have sleepoverers and birthdayparties.

>> these are kids out there doing as many things or want to be as many things as they possibly can. this will really change things. what about younger children under the age of 12? >> the fda actually just made an announcement that they're going to be convening their external committee next month in june to be looking at recommendations for the 2 to 11-year-old group. we don't have data yet from this group so we can't say for sure this group is certainly going to be trickier because the doses have to be adjusted. you can imagine a 2-year-old won't get the same dose as a 16-year-old. they will review safety and efficacy at that point. i'm excited because i have a 4-year-old not yet able to be vaccinated. >> dr. fauci said this weekend as more people are vaccinated, he does expect the guidance on indoor mask use will change. what do you expect or hope the cdc will decide on this point and when because look, you've been critical of the cdc and by

the ad minadministration officit being aggressive enough. i interviewed the hhs secretary this morning and he gave a very clear answer on this, and i know you didn't like that. >> that's right. there are two things the cdc can do now. the first is to give very clear guidance about fully vaccinated people in formal settings. right now they are saying they can have dinner parties together at home but why not also say in theaters and workplaces that if everybody is fully vaccinated, they can move masks. you don't need distancing in that environment if there is proof of vaccination for everyone. the second thing is they really need to give better guidance on what happens by region. we're not talking about reaching heard immunity for the country. at this point we need to break it down by community so we need to hear what is the level of vaccination for the community and i think that would give a lot of incentive for individuals to get vaccinated, too. >> dr. nguyen, a pleasure speaking to you, thanks so much. >> thank you, john. administration also dealing

with the national security incident tonight. this afternoon president biden said he's taking steps to make sure there is not a run on gasoline after a cyber attack forced a shutdown of a major u.s. pipeline that delivers nearly half the gas and diesel consumed on the east coast. the ransom ware attack could leave the region with wide spread fuel shortages affecting everywhere there is a pump from gas stations to major airports. jim sciutto joins us now with the latest. jim, what are you hearing from your sources? >> reporter: this is really an unprecedented attack in terms of scale. other state actors, non-state actors have tried to access state infrastructures and planted weapons, cyber weapons inside the system but to have an attack that shuts something down is significant and shows vulnerabilities. i mean, it may very well be true that the system will be able to recover in time so you don't have a shortage in the northeast of gasoline and other kinds of

fuel, but just the fact you have an american president saying i'm going to do everything i can to prevent a run on fuel shows you one, the seriousness of this but also, two, the significant vulnerability has been exposed here. now, the company itself is saying they will have the system up and running by the end of the week and the company did a lot of things right here in terms of responding to this but the lesson here is about vulnerability and what more needs to be done to prevent the next one. >> so the russian government denies any involvement in the attack. does the u.s. -- do all levels of the u.s. government buy this denial and what more are you learning about this group dark side? >> first of all, ignore everything the russian government says. less than zero credibility. they denied interference in the election before. the biden administration itself is saying we don't have evidence that the russian government is behind this attack but there is meaning in those words, right?

this is a russian group. it is a criminal group, a hacking group. it not, say, part of russian military intelligence. that said, it is operating from russia and i've spoken to multiple both experts but also national security officials who make the point that these groups don't operate in russia without the knowledge of the russian government and for an attack on this scale to happen many believe that they would need the approval of the government, right? there is history here. russia has used hacking groups before to carry out attacks on foreign adversaries including the u.s. so, you know, it may be one thing this was not ordered by putin and directed through the kremlin but the fact that it came from russia is significant. >> very quickly, what exactly is a ransom ware attack and how is that distinctive from a different cyber attack? >> listen, it's good we're talking about this, right, because these attacks are happening every day. every single day. state, city, local governments,

private companies having these attacks every day. private groups basically get into someone's network and say i can shut this thing down or shut it down say i won't turn it back on until you pay me money. until you pay me a ransom or steal a bunch of information and i'm going to sell this on the dark web until you pay me money. what is little known is a lot of companies are paying these ransoms every day. it good business. it works. >> jim sciutto, fascinating, devious but fascinating. thank you for explaining it like that. perspective on the investigation from andrew mccabe, former deputy fbi director and law enforcement analyst. andy, how does this stock up against some of the worst cyber warfare scenarios the fbi and other agencies tried for? >> we'll be talking about this for quite sometime. it's an interesting combination of criminal about tors actors o be doing it for profit but struck in a way that really

grabbed the attention of a major player in our energy sector. i would suspect that they targeted this particular player because they knew that if they grabbed their information, if they were able to shut down their i.t. systems, there would be so much at stake, i.e., the continued functions of the gas pipeline that the company colonial pipeline would have to respond quickly and likely pay to get access to the system back. so i'm not sure that it was a geopolitical strategic move but one that kind of had those sorts of inchmplications. we've seen the criminal realm run into the political realm. >> the target was a private company that controls something all of us use so has a public or universal feel to it but private companies. what are the vulnerabilities there? even president biden talked about this today? >> sure, it's really important for viewers to understand that in this country, our critical

infrastructure is owned and operated and maintained and protected by the private sector entities that own it. these are not government entities. they are private companies. they can, you know, they can employ the greatest and best cyber defenses or have none at all. those are their decisions. that's the exposed vulnerability here. people are realizing that in many ways, the fate of our lifestyles and economy and all those sorts of thing sit in the hands of private companies who in many cases have a strong incentive to keep this sort of activity when they're hacked and victimized very rprivate and no report them at all. in this case, the company did the right thing. >> jim sciutto warned us not to take russia's word for it when they say they were not involved in the attack but the president h himself says he sees no direct line between russia and dark side the group carrying it out but this group is presumably based in russia.

so what does this all mean? >> well, a couple things. you can count on the fact that every intelligence agency in our vast community is looking for that evidence that the president spoke of today. so we don't have evidence yet that the russian government was behind this or directing it but i'm sure they are looking for it now. the second thing i would point out is like the point that you just made, people should think about this in terms of piracy. we would not let another nation shelter a group of pirates that would raid our ships and victimize our sea fairing vessels. that's what is russia is doing here. we allowed this group to exist in russia and work in russia and target enemies of russia so it essentially with the kind of a wink and a nod, the russians i'm confident know what this group is up to, the fact they are giving them shelter is a violation of the normal

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expanded the use of the pfizer covid vaccine on an emergency use authorization to include 12 to 15-year-olds. this is the overall number shows the battle against the pandemic is gaining more and more traction. over 44% of the american adult population is fully vaccinated even as less people are rolling up their sleeves. los angeles county, california said today that they expected to return immunity among adults and the oldest teenagers by july. california's governor gavin newsom is expecting a recall election with some voters upset about how he handled the pandemic. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash talked to caitlyn jenner about her politics, campaign and what she plans to do if elected. >> reporter: hauling out an air compressor to pump her own tires, not your typical celebrity moment yet caitlyn jenner's life is anything but

typical. >> before it was flat on the bottom. >> reporter: an olympic gold medal for the decathlon in 1976 and iconic spot on the wheatties box, a reality tv dad in keeping up with the kardashians and transition to caitlyn with a "vanity" cover reveal and she's running in a race to recall democrat gavin newsom. jenner invited us to her 12-acre ranch in malibu and explained why. >> during covid, it was horrible. i woke up in the morning like what do i do today? there is absolutely nothing. you can't even go to a restaurant, you know. it just drives me crazy. when i started thinking about this, because i've always followed politics. >> reporter: her political involvement was limited. she backed donald trump in 2016 but broke from him two years later citing harsh lgbtq policies.

what kind of training do you have to be governor of california? >> i've been an entrepreneur. people think you've been in show biz and reality star, certainly, i've done that but entertainment is a business and you have to run that business but i've also done other things. we sold a billion dollars worth of exercise equipment on television. aviation companies. i've just always been involved being an entrepreneur and tried to inspire my children to do the same thing and they've done very well in that department, and all those life experiences about -- and probably the most important thing is being a leader. >> reporter: this state, this is the fifth largest economy in the world. >> yes. >> reporter: you feel qualified to take that on? >> yes, because i'm going to surround myself with some really great people. i had meetings this week with budget people i just was so impressed. >> reporter: can you share what you met with? >> no, we'll just leave it as budget people. we'll leave it there.

i don't want to expose anybody. i had meetings on regulations, with the hoover institution, and this one guy lee was just like the best so smart, been working on regulations in this state for the last ten years, has solutions. i said oh my god, you're like my new best friend, okay? i learned so much from him in such a short amount of time but it people like that that i feel like i have the ability to attract to sacramento that can make a difference. >> reporter: jenner is trying to appeal to californians that feel over burdened and over taxed. >> i would freeze taxes. i would freeze regulations. no more regulations, no more taxes, everybody take a big deep breath and let's see what we can do. >> reporter: no more regulations. >> i didn't say no more

regulations a freeze on the regulations in place. >> reporter: you said a freeze on the taxes, a freeze on new taxes. >> yes. >> reporter: i don't think governor new ssom didn't put ne taxes on in years. elon musk left california and moved to texas with no state income tax but do you think a billionaire like him should be taxed? >> i think all californians don't mind a tax, but they also want it to be fair. okay? i don't think elon musk worries about a 5% tax on something. when you start looking at the tax rates in california, how we are taxed -- you walk out the door and you're going to start being taxed. >> reporter: i'm going to ask a little bit about national politics. >> ut oh. okay. remember, i'm running for california. >> reporter: i know. >> this is not a national position. >> reporter: it is not a national position but you're a national figure and running, you know, to be a different kind of republican so let's talk about that. the former president still claims that the 2020 elections

were stolen from him. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: let me ask you, do you believe president biden was duly elected? >> he is our president. i respect that. i realize there was -- there's a lot of frustration over that election. you know what? i'm frustrated over what happened back then, but what have i done? okay? as a citizen, i'm frustrated. and i said you know what? i want to do something about it? >> the then trump campaign went to court. they filed scores and scores of lawsuits. there was no evidence that there was anything fraudulent. do you -- are you comfortable with that? do you believe that the election was stolen? >> no, i believe in the system. but i believe in the -- what we

need to do in the future is we are a democratic republic. we need to have integrity in our election system. i'm not going to go on the past, you know. we're in a post trump era -- >> are we, though? >> we're in a post trump era. >> i don't think he believes that. >> we have moved forward. >> reporter: i'm asking because you're a republican -- >> yeah, we're kind of on the republican side -- >> reporter: you not a republican? >> i hate to use -- we label everybody. i don't like labels, you know. i'm me. this is how i do it. just because i have conservative economic philosophy, that's the only thing that the republicans are kind of on that i'm on but i don't know, maybe you call me a libertarian, maybe you call me the middle. i really don't know because when it comes to social issues, i'm much more progressive and much

more liberal. >> reporter: california has long been a leader on combatting the climate crisis. for years glovernors signed on o aggressive policies to reduce greenhouse gases. california established an am wish shows goal of relying on zero emission energy sources by 2045. would you keep that in place? >> probably not. i would let the free market determine at what point. i don't think it government going to come up and say by 2045 we have to have zero emissions. technology is what we need to follow. there's a lot of smart people out there trying to get, make a zero emissions and as that technology improves, we will go less and less. i would go 30 years ago drive into santa monica. you couldn't even see the mountains in pasadena.

every day through the '70s and '80s, every day on the news they would have the smog alert, this is what the smog is. they don't have those anymore. you can go to santa monica and see the mountains. >> reporter: is that because of the aggressive laws here. >> we're doing a good job. >> reporter: so you would keep those in place or change it? meaning the laws that have been in place which are really aggressive in favor of the environment against fossil fuels, probably helped to allow you to see in santa monica like you're talking about. would you put those in place? >> i would keep things in place but i'm not -- fossil fuel will eventually leave, okay? we're going to have other forms in the next 50 years, okay, may not even be talking about this. we will have another energy source. but for the time being, fossil fuels are around. yeah, you got to have it. >> reporter: in an atv ride around her property, jenner

points out damage from devastating malibu fires more than two years ago that almost engulfed her house and shows us an empty barn. >> for the last couple years i've had friends, i've had rescue horses that need places to stay and this place is so great for that. kendall and kylie have horses and i thought well, maybe they'd want to bring them over here. they haven't done that. >> reporter: kendall and kylie jenner are two of her ten children. most are reality famous including four kardashian stepchildren. any of your children going to campaign with you? >> here is the deal. thank you for asking the question. my kids are not involved whatsoever with this. >> reporter: how come? >> i told them -- honestly, i told them at the start and i love my kids. the kids love me and i have a great relationship but i told them at the start, i said guys because they were scared, one for my safety and scared of what the media is going to do. my family has certainly, you

know, been out in the media and taken their shots and they don't need to take any more and i said don't even -- i said i am not going to ask you for one tweet. i'm not going to ask you for one thing. you guys live your life. this is my deal and my decision to do this and tell -- i'm going to tell the media stay away. don't ask them. i told them just no comment. >> reporter: kim kardashian your stepdaughter is involved in criminal justice reform. >> i love kim and i think zshe' doing a great job with the criminal justice system. and if i -- i become governor, i would follow her guidance in that because she has been very, very good on that and the rehabilitation side of it, but i don't have her involved in the campaign at all whatsoever. >> reporter: got it. >> i can't say we've never discussed it but she's great. i love kimberly. she's smart, great businesswoman and very dedicated, you know, to doing a better job with criminal

justice and she would have my ear. i can tell you that when i'm up in sacramento. >> reporter: to get to sack moan toe, californians first need to know her positions, back up at her house we talked about more. immigration. >> immigration. >> reporter: california's labor force is 1.7 million undocumented immigrants. should they have a path to citiz citizenship? >> i would hope so. i am for legal immigration. okay? what's been happening on the boarder was honestly one of the reasons i decided to run for governor. i was watching people dying coming across the river. kids in cages or whatever you want to call them. >> reporter: they should have a chance at citizen ship? >> absolutely. they should. personally, i mean, there is a lot of people but personally, i have met some of the most wonderful people who are immigrants who have come to this

country and they are just model citizens. they are great people and i would fight for them to be, you know, u.s. citizens and i think would be the greatest day of their life. a little trivia here, back 15 years ago, they would have when the signing in of the immigrants, they shouw a video f america and would end with me, a picture at the finish line with the american flag. >> reporter: that image when j jenner won the gold. >> yes, you can take it and open it up. that is an olympic gold medal. you can take it out. yeah, yeah, and it's been in that box ever since. i very rarely ever take it out. >> reporter: should i take it out? >> sure. >> reporter: it is jenner's fame as an olympian and transgender woman that makes her position known when it comes to moves to push legislation banning ch

transgirls in sports. >> you don't make you move to become a woman at 65 years old but had you done it when you were younger, you might not have become the most, you know, fa mo -- famous athlete in the world in 1976 had you not been able to compete and transitioned younger. so does that make you think about trans girls and sports differently when you think about your own experience? >> well, i look at it a couple different ways and i'll try to do it briefly. i can't imagine many i would have decided back in '76 that i've always been trans. nobody knew it. you know, little caitlin lived deep inside of me. i said you know what, maybe i shouldn't run the decathlon and i'm a girl and i'm going to run. would that be fair? absolutely not.

it would never have been fair for me to do that. okay? and so this is a very complicated but the most important thing for me is we protect women's sports. we can work the other issues out for trans women to compete in sports who are truly trans and grew up trans. >> that's different. >> it's 100% different. so yeah, but as far as protecting women's sports, i'm about protecting women's sports. yeah. and that means my statement is i don't want biological boys playing in girls' sports. >> reporter: republicans say they are pushing to recall gover governor newsom in part because he was too aggressive in shutting down california because of covid-19 and hypocritical. going to the five-star french

run laundry restaurant as cases were rising. what would you have done differently if you were governor when the pandemic hit? >> you know what? i don't blame any governor or federal government at the start for what happened. i think it was a right decision to make back in march of 2020 to just close the country down. let's stop, hold it, let's see what we got here. as time went on, i don't think anybody realized how difficult it would be to open. >> reporter: so you would have opened things earlier? >> i would have definitely done my best to open up as quick as possible. see, what i don't like about the whole covid and opening back up is the hypocrisy that has been going on. i can't, you know, my restaurant that i like down the street is closed and it's not me getting a meal but it all the employees down there are out of work.

>> reporter: economic despair is one of the factors driving a huge homeless crisis in california. tent cities everywhere just over one in four homeless americans lives in this state. jenner visited a salvation army shelter in east l.a. that is working on the problem wholistically. >> we have to step up and do better. nice meeting you. >> reporter: from mental health assistance to long-term housing. so how does governor jenner build more affordable housing? >> the biggest problem is you have to change regulations. you have to build a co coalitio between government and industry. started in 1970, the california environmental quality act by

ronald reagan and it was great legislation to help with the but over the last 50 years, regulations have gone on top, regulations have gone on top, it's like an excuse for environmentalists to get their point across. i'm all for the environment, 100% for the environment, but we cannot destroy our state, okay. >> so build more on environmentally protected land? >> work with -- first of all, as far as regulations, i would freeze everything, take a look at it. some of these regulations have been on the books since before -- i mean honestly the facts machine. >> how would you address the very big mental health problems that contributing to homelessness? >> mental health is tough actually. i thought for the longest time i

was dealing with mental health issues, but i've been able to solve that. everybody has things that they have to go through. you have to have a fair and equitable way to be able to help them. mental health issues are something that we would work on. we would try to provide programs, work with local organizations. there's only so much sacramento can do. >> this is always good to come down and see you guys. >> caitlyn jenner, a newcomer to politics who has a lot to learn in what she calls the last chapter of her unlikely life. >> and dana bash joins me now. dana, there is so much in this. i mean a really fascinating interview. yes, there were some headlines with jenner being wishy-washy on if biden won the election fairly and saying we're in a post-trump era which i'm sure donald trump doesn't want to hear. but to me the overarching question that i have is if caitlyn jenner, who is making a serious run, i think, for

governor of california, has spent time on her own policies, a grasp of where she really is on the issues. how seriously is she taking that? >> well, the answer is, and i think it was pretty clear, she's working on it. you know, i was trying to find out who she was surrounding herself with on the policy side. we know on the political side, but on the policy side she mentioned lee, her new best friend at the hoover institution. but beyond that she didn't give a lot on those issues. big picture she says that she is and always has been fiscally conservative, but more socially liberal. but on the details, like on the environment as you heard and on taxes, for example, it's a work in progress. i think that's a fair thing to say. >> immigration? >> immigration is another example. she talked about -- i asked about a path to citizenship. she said, yes, she is for that because she believes that people

who are undocumented in america and, you know, contributing to society should have a right to stay, but her -- on her twitter feed they were trying to kid kind of explain it and give the nuance that we know from covering immigration politics for decades that are hard to square, especially if you're a republican. >> dana bash, thank you so much for your reporting. much more tomorrow morning. >> i'll be back with you in the morning, john. up next, there were nine mass shootings across america this weekend. nine. there was also gunfire in times square in the heart of new york city. the details on all of it when we continue. who goes right back to sleep after getting an alert of an unusual charge on their credit card? you do. round the clock fraud protection. one of the many things you can expect when you're with amex.

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it was another brutal weekend across the country with more shootings from new york city to california, arizona and colorado. according to figures compiled by the gun violence archive, at least 117 people were killed and more than 300 wounded by gunfire in the past 72 hours. cnn's miguel marquez with a look at what happened and the deadly results. >> reporter: panic and chaos in times square. the heart of new york city. >> shots rang out, three of them. i think everybody just kind of stopped and was in shock. >> reporter: on saturday, a gun was pulled as several men fought.

bystanders, two women and a 4-year-old girl were hit by gunfire. an nypd officer seen running with the child calmed her mother in the ambulance. >> she obviously was in a panic. she just saw her little baby get shot, so i was just trying to calm her down and trying to get her to breathe with me. >> reporter: all are expected to survive. the new york city shooting happening on a weekend that saw at least nine, nine mass shootings, meaning four or more victims dead or injured nationwide. in all, at least 15 people died, another 30 injured since friday as a result of mass shootings. in just one weekend, three mass shootings in california, one each in arizona, new jersey, maryland, wisconsin and missouri. and in colorado, six shot and killed at a birthday party. >> at this point in time, we believe that the individual, the suspect responsible for the shooting, was also on scene and also deceased. >> reporter: investigators say the shooter, who took his own

life, was the boyfriend of one of the women at the party. just under two months ago, ten people were killed at a supermarket in boulder, colorado, by a gunman wielding rifle and handgun. on friday evening it was a st. louis county, missouri, park. a neighborhood celebration. then a truck pulled up and someone in it started firing. two dead, three injured. >> it was all peaceful and beautiful. the next thing you know, fire -- gunfire just erupted. >> reporter: in maryland, it was the suburbs of baltimore. three dead, one injured after a gun and knife-wielding man set his own home on fire, then shot and stabbed his neighbors. in phoenix, arizona, one man is dead, at least seven more injured after a fight at a hotel. in milwaukee, wisconsin, and newark, new jersey, four people were injured in each city after a shooting broke out in public

on the street. and in california, three shootings in los angeles. one was killed, five more injured. four were injured outside a nightclub near sacramento. on the same night two young men were killed, two others injured in compton. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> just awful. the news continues so let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> john, thank you very much, appreciate it. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." tonight we're going to take on the toxic cause and effect, the root cause of everything that is wrong with our politics. that literally makes people, not just think, but do horrible things. there's now a term for it. it's called foxitis. and tonight you are going to hear a man that calls what happened to him foxitis. he's going to come on the show with his lawye