on the street. and in california, three shootings in los angeles. one was killed, five more injured. four were injured outside a nightclub near sacramento. on the same night two young men were killed, two others injured in compton. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> just awful. the news continues so let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> john, thank you very much, appreciate it. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." tonight we're going to take on the toxic cause and effect, the root cause of everything that is wrong with our politics. that literally makes people, not just think, but do horrible things. there's now a term for it. it's called foxitis. and tonight you are going to hear a man that calls what happened to him foxitis. he's going to come on the show with his lawyer and explain to

you why what he watched and what he heard led him to start thinking and believing in a way that led him to drive 11 hours to washington, d.c. this man never even voted in 2016 or 2020. how did he get foxitis? what does that really mean? is this a joke? he says, no, it's no joke, and he knows lots of people who fall into the same category. it's very interesting because even if you don't do the terrible things, you don't commit the felonies, you're not one of the people, the hundreds arrested at the insurrection, you can still have the same sickness that leads you to believe the absurd. listen to this woman. >> you guys both genuinely believe the election was stolen? >> yes. why would they have all those ballots hidden under tables?

why did that man drive that truck all the way across state lines with ballots? >> that's all been proven to be false. >> it has not, i watched it on tv. >> she didn't watch it on tv. she watched it on fox, okay? she watched it on hate tv. she watched it on a place that is in the business of propaganda. oh, all the media is. it's not true and it needs to stop. you have to take every platform one by one. we're in a bad place, okay? i have countless conversations on the radio, derivative of this show, just living my life on the streets, where people don't believe basic things about the vaccine, basic things about the pandemic, basic things about the election. it is a big lie. and yes, it's very effective. but at some point we have to examine the price.

now, you look what's happening at what used to be the grand ole party. again, you guys think i'm joking. i don't know what to call it. my friends who are republicans won't own it. they say i'm not about that, stop saying you, you people, you people. it's not me, i'm not one. then what is the party now? one of the last truth tellers about the election in congress from that party, liz cheney, is about to be voted out for just that, refusing to echo the big lie. house minority leader kevin mccarthy, remember, this guy called in a panic during the insurrection begging trump to call off his dogs. he told people he said that. he told people he cursed at trump. and now he's just lying to you. he's just changing the facts to make trump a good guy and he's one of the onlies who will talk

about the insurrection. the rest will say it wasn't an insurrection, they weren't really armed or they won't mention it. so mccarthy is leading the effort to cleanse the ranks of anyone who challenges the big lie. he sends out a note about the upcoming recall on cheney and explains the recall vote pie saying we are a big tent party. unlike the left, we embrace free thought and debate. the left has problems. us saying right and left is proof of the problem. we don't even talk about the parties anymore. you know that i have said many times and i believe that it is time for you guys to start talking about something better than a two-party system. you just don't have enough stakeholders that are given the empowerment of party right now. and us talking about ideological opposites is the proof of that. now, the absurdity is of course whatever is going on the left and there are problems there, it's nothing compared to this. this guy feels that he literally can get away with calling

himself the party of ideas and debate and big tent in the same note announcing the recall of someone for embracing the truth. and he thinks it's okay. again, this is not the grand old party. this is not about being conservative. it is about being reckless. and the problem isn't just the rhetoric, it's the real life implication. the big lie has states across this country echoing the animus in congress, restricting voting rights potentially for millions of americans and a disproportionate number of them are minorities. that's the truth. realities are getting ignored because of the big lie. how? you know there are big spikes in gun violence, okay? if you talk to people who own guns, like i do, you will rarely meet someone who says they don't believe in background checks. for all transactions. most of the people i know think you should be trained in how to

use the gun before you get one and you should have to recertify and show that you know how to store it safely. if you don't store it safely, you should get as big a price on you as whatever that gun does. now, the big lie has made it so that none of that gets dealt with. the big lie has the election problem get dealt with in 43 different states and in congress and it's not true. and what is true gets no attention. you see it's not just talk anymore. the big lie isn't laughable. it is the linchpin that is keeping the wheel on the crazy train. and my first guest would have never thought about getting off that crazy train until he found up facing five federal felonies, one of hundreds charged for the insurrection so far. so let's bring him in. the accused capitol rioter anthony antonio and his lawyer, joseph hurley. counselor, thank you for being with us. anthony, thank you for being with us.

>> thank you, sir. >> you're welcome. >> now, to be very clear, i am not here to try your case, okay? i want you here to explain how you ever got in that place. and you say foxitis is real. you started watching fox. it then became newsmax because trump said it was more credible than fox. but what was it that you were hearing that developed this kind of irrational animus that led you to go to washington, d.c.? >> well, sir, what happened was so when i was 18 years old, i was saved by jesus christ. i dedicated my life to the lord. last year i honestly put a man above jesus christ as my lord and savior. i believed a man. i believed what was being told to me. he was the president of our united states and i believed him because he's the president of our united states. and so because of that, i went

to washington like he called us to, having no clue what to expect, having no clue what was about to happen. i just knew that the president of our united states told me to go there. >> hey, joe, when you first heard this -- hold on a second. i want to have a little conversation here because this is very hard to believe, especially from somebody who says that they have come to the reality that jesus christ is their lord and savior. the idea that trump would somehow win out that position from jesus is hard to accept. but joe, when you first heard this, i'm not saying you're wrong, anthony, this is your truth. i'm just saying, joe, as a lawyer and somebody sober minded and been around lots of stories, when you heard this and then realized it was being echoed by other people who had gotten collared that day, when did it start to resonate as something other than a bad cover story? >> well, let me tell you that i had vowed i would never represent any of the thugs that

went down there, they all ought to be in prison for more years than i can count. anthony came in sort of under the radar. i didn't know what his charges were. he was with his father and himself. i saw them and i tried to figure out what's this guy doing in here. he began to tell me his story. i first realized because of his truthfulness, his calmness and his tears, particularly when you talked about the police officer being bounced down the steps and he was too cowardly to get involved, he, anthony, to save him, that this is a bird of a different feather. and i realized this guy is being straight up honest and he was honest from the first moment and honest through the time of the fbi and honest through the time of talking to the court. and will be honest with you. i realized it instantly. >> anthony, you're watching fox. now, what was it that you started to hear that impressed you so much that it made you forget your faith and replace it with faith in trump?

>> i would say basically i believed the president of the united states. i mean ever since i was a little kid, i was told the president of the united states is the man that you look up to. as of right now we've only had a map in the white house as the president, and so that's who you look up to. that's who you follow. the bible calls us to follow government. and i got wrapped up in what was being told to me and what was -- what was on the tv. what the media was proclaiming. >> not the media, fox. it's a distinction with a difference. what were you hearing and seeing be reinforced that made you so revved up? >> i would basically say, you

know, i really got into it when the election started. you know, when election night happened and everything was going on, i truly believed that trump won the election. you know, as of right now i acknowledge and i know that joe biden is our president. that's not a mystery, that's a fact. but i felt like, you know, maybe i believed that america was being robbed of a president. and i now know that that was a lie. >> did you not read or see anything else except what was on fox and newsmax and that whole ilk of right-wing propaganda? >> you know, i can't recall everything that i saw. i will be honest, you know, we're now how many months from

it. this is my first time on live tv too, so it's one of those things where i can't recall every single thing that i saw, that i heard and everything like that. i can just say, you know, i believed what was being told to me. >> do you blame fox -- >> chris, can i say something? >> yeah, hold on one second, counselor. do you blame fox? do you blame former president trump? who do you blame? >> i blame myself. i take full accountability for my actions. and because of that, i have gone to god and asked for forgiveness. i've prayed, god, please forgive me. i take full responsibility for my actions. i'm not -- this isn't a cop-out, right? god tells us to come to him and beg for forgiveness, and that's what i've done. that's what i ask for america. i ask for america to please forgive me. i shouldn't have been there that

day. i shouldn't have been involved on those capitol steps. you've seen the pictures. there's no secret. but i pray, like i pray to god that you please forgive me and that's all i can really say. >> when did you realize you had been misled? >> i realized i've been misled a few days after. immediately after. what happened that day should not have happened. i don't care who you are, what happened that day and what i saw that day should not have happened. we should not attack law enforcement. we should not attack our american government. the bible does say no violence. the bible does say to follow the government. whether you believe them or not. and that's the stance that i

h hold, and i regret my actions that day and take full responsibility for them. >> counsel, i'm sorry i cut you off. what did you want to say? >> don't be sorry for cutting me off. what i wanted to say and what has been totally overlooked in my presenting him to the public for the purpose of not saying let him go but for the purpose of saying the guy that walks away with the orange face is the guy that ought to be standing up here and having the guts to admit what he's caused. what anthony did that has been overlooked is, and it's on video and youtube, he stood at the capitol steps after telling the police that he was going to try and calm the crowd down and you hear his voice crying out, be quiet, quiet down. somebody hands him a bull horn and he says this is supposed to be a peaceful demonstration. this is supposed to be a peaceful demonstration. sit down. they start circling him and saying are you a cop? and he got out of the way for a moment.

you then see anthony positioned in a doorway with his back toward the surging mob and the police standing in front of anthony as he's trying to use his body to prevent the crowd from getting to the police. and that is in video. your eyes will not lie to you. >> that's true. >> so this guy that went down there with no weapons, went down there and tried to do the best he could and like the rest of us, there was moments of weakness where he didn't do just the right, perfect thing. >> i'm not here to litigate the case not because i can't but because it's not my interest. my interest is the motivation. to be clear, counselor, it's the moment of weakness are all that matters. the client was also there doing lots of violent things with a tactical vest on and a 3%er badge. i guess one thing if you say i'm a passive observer of all this information. i'm not into politics and didn't even vote in 2016 or 2020, but this was the kind of faith that

i invested in myself with religion that became misapplied. then why did you have a tactical vest on? why did you have a 3%er badge? that's a bad group of people? >> so to comment on the 3%er badge first, i honestly had no clue what that group was or that it was still a group. i enjoy history. in school i excelled at american history. and i just assumed that 3%er meant people that -- i want to say basically founded america. i honestly really didn't fully understand what it meant and i will say, you know, after that day i fully ripped that off and regretted every minute of having that on my vest. >> do you consider yourself -- do you consider yourself a white

pride person? do you think white people are -- >> no. >> -- better than nonwhite people? >> no. >> because that's what they're about, you know that, right? >> i did not know that. >> look, i know what we are in jesus' eyes. everybody should know -- >> i did not know that. >> okay. >> that we're all created equally. >> that's the problem, anthony. you wound up doing something that is anathema to my faith. i know a lot of people in the crowd called themselves christians. i'm call myself an imam right now. it doesn't mean anything, we only know what we show. so to the people who will watch this tonight and i'm one of them, saying, yeah, you're saying the right thing now, you're coached by a good lawyer -- >> i wasn't coached by anybody. >> so he's putting you in the right position. what do you say to people who say -- >> i wasn't coached by anybody. i wasn't put in a position.

i want to say that i made a mistake. i truly made a mistake. a mistake that i wish i could take back and i know i can't. but what i can do is show the people that if you've made a mistake, it doesn't define you, okay. what defines you is how you are in god's eyes. and that's the stance i take through and through. that's coming straight from the heart. that what you've done in your past does not define you as long as you turn from it. i'm not a white supremacist, i'm not a 3%er, i'm not all these things that the media is trying to paint me. i made a mistake. i put my faith in something other than god and jesus christ. and that is the god's honest truth. and i pray today that people can truly see that in me because i wake up every day with the faces of the people and i regret it every single day of my life.

and that is the godd's honest truth. >> what do you want the people over at fox and what do you want the former president to know? >> honestly? >> yeah. >> that we need unity. that this world needs to unify. this country needs unity and we need to stop being divided and we need to come together, show love. show god's love and be unified as one. that's coming straight from my heart and that's what i not only want fox, cnn, past president donald trump. i want the world to know, because i understand the world will see this, that we need unity and we need to stop being divided. and i understand that i was a part of what divided a lot of us. i, again, beg for forgiveness every single day. >> anthony, i appreciate --

>> chris, will you give me 30 seconds? >> yeah, i'll give you last word, go ahead. >> 30 seconds, that's all. >> go ahead. >> i followed your career. i bought this shirt three years ago because in 2001 i got kicked off of msnbc when they were auditioning me as a legal correspondent because i said bs but i didn't use the initials. i bought this shirt three years ago and thought some day i may end up on chris cuomo's show because i've watched your career, you're an excellent cross examiner, you would have been a fantastic prosecutor. number one, i'm not a good attorney, i am a superb attorney. number two, i am an honest attorney. number three, i did not coach one single word or put it in his mouth. it's him and him alone. number four, your leading question you said you've done a lot of violent things. one, he got a fas ce mask so he wasn't getting juiced in the

eyes. two, he threw a bottle at a protester who was going to pummel that cop. because he threw it in the direction of the cop they said he tliet at the cop. three, he climbed in a window and tried to put furniture up against the door so the police wouldn't come in because he heard somebody was shot dead and he wanted to prevent violence. excellent questions, leading questions, but not accurate. >> the answer goes to the accuracy. five felonies speak for themselves. i didn't mean coached in terms of told what to say, but a good lawyer helps somebody how to put on their best representation of themselves in a case, that's what i mean. counselor hurley, i appreciate you being here. anthony, thank you for taking the opportunity, okay? >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> all right, be well. my next guest says the gop was hijacked and that this is part of the same dynamic and that it is no longer the grand old party and in fact it cost him his job.

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so look, you only have to open your eyes and see what's happening with liz cheney and, again, be clear. i'm not canonizing liz cheney and saying she's some perfect virtue signaller for what our politics should be about, i'm just saying she's an actual republican, a conservative who's unwilling to peddle the big lie. that's her virtue. that's what everybody is giving her this gold star for. she's just telling the truth about an obvious situation and that warrants the death penalty. that's the only question is going to be after she loses her conference leadership post, if

that happens this wednesday, well, then what, can she even get elected again in that party? this vote comes less than two weeks after cheney and president biden shared a fist bump before his address to congress. some would see that as what it was, which is simple respect, but not these days. not these days. it made her a target in trumpland. this is like when governor chris christie in new jersey hugged obama after superstorm sandy for coming to the state and recognizing the need. reminds you of somebody else. you know who else knows the price? florida governor charlie crist. he was once republican through and through. everything about what he wanted, how he thought it should get done and how he talked the talk. then he hugged obama and crist says that hug killed his career as a republican. he would go on to run

unsuccessfully for governor again as a democrat. it was a tight race but the price was paid. he's now a congressman and he's trying once more to win the nomination for governor and take on ron desantis, who is strong in trumpland. he joins us now. it's good to see you, sir. >> good to see you, chris, thanks for having me. >> that kid, anthony, is scary, okay, who was just on the show. there are a lot of people, they won't put it the way he did, but they see, they hear and they believe with a devout adherence. and someone like you, you hug obama, that closet muslim nonamerican hater and this and that and all the other bs they get fed there, and how surprised were you at how real they take the delusion? >> pretty surprised. you know, i was raised here in st. petersburg, florida. my mom and dad raised me and my

three sisters to treat other people with respect, with decency, frankly to practice the golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto you. and the notion that i would appear with a democratic president, an african-american democratic president, as a republican governor and the backlash i received from that, that was used in my subsequent campaigns against marco rubio, against rick scott. that photograph of being hugged by the president as a derogatory photograph, it was pretty shocking. you know, i would have hoped that we would have been much more beyond that kind of politicization or utilization of race as a factor in a race. but, chris, the harsh reality that we all know, i think, is that systemic racism does still live in our country. it breaks my heart. all you have to do is look at the george floyd case and we know it's real. it's very sad. >> now, is it true that you don't really believe much differently in terms of policy,

concept of good governance what should be demanded of taxpayers, that's not true. you didn't have some revival and decide that you want to be the next incarnation of the big deal. this is about what for you, changing parties and wanting to take on desantis? >> well, i changed parties about ten years ago. as i said then, i'll say again now, i didn't leave the republican party, it left me. and look at it today. it's truly metastasized, if you will. what's happening to liz cheney is unconscionable. she's being demonized because she's being honest. is that what it's come to? evidently so. at least temporarily, i hope. it's unbelievable. no, i haven't changed, i am who i am. i've always believed in trying to keep taxes low, supporting public education, protecting the environment. it's hard as a floridian not to care deeply about the

environment. it's inextricably linked. i feel much more comfortable being a florida democrat than i did with my prior party. and there's good republicans, don't misunderstand me, chris. and i believe they're out there. i know that they are. moderate, reasonably minded people. but they're getting intimidated, as liz cheney is being intimidated as we're watching this play out. and it's disserving and it's sad. >> do you think you can win the governor's race in florida if you say the words systemic injustice or systemic racism against ron desantis, who is making hay by saying it doesn't exist? >> so you've got to factor that in, chris, but i really do believe in the goodness of people and i certainly believe in the goodness of my fellow floridians. and i know there's more of them that believe in being decent to other people whether you're gay, straight, black, white, whatever country you come from, greek immigrant grandfather like mine. it really boils down to being good to each other and i believe most floridians believe that.

i know it in my heart and soul. i went shopping tonight at the publix and i had to pick up a sandwich to get dinner. i've been campaigning all day and on the phone. you know, so i go there and people are incredibly kind, very nice, warm, frankly, and i don't know what party they were. they were just good floridians. and i love them and i appreciate them very much. >> how strong a signal are you getting sent about what you're up against in terms of how people see you as, i guess, what would you be, you're a traitor or a turncoat or whatever it is and wanting to go against one of trump's guys? how strong is that feeling towards you? >> to be honest, i don't feel that really at all. there's an element of it, chris, i'm not naive and i understand that still exists to some degree, but that's been about a decade ago, almost a lifetime ago in politics, if you will. i think people recognize that i'm a florida democrat. i'm still a fiscal conservative, social progressive.

i really haven't changed. i believe the things that i believe. i believe in doing unto others and i believe in a bright future. certainly for the sunshine state. and i know that florida deserves better than what we're getting right now. we don't need a mini trump in the governor's mansion. and we do have that. >> desantis plays a lot of the same games. >> yeah. >> hearing that kid anthony antonio, people believe him or not believe him, whatever. i think he is instructive of the point. i've heard of a lot of people who are exactly like him, so he's not a one-off. what do you want the former president and the current governor of florida to know about the tactics that are involved here and what they're producing? >> that they're shameful. i mean they really are. our governor signs the bill last week that makes it harder for people to vote in our state. suppressing the vote. just what happened in georgia and what's happening in texas, as you know. you know, if you're doing that and you're the governor of the third largest state in the country, you're anti-democracy. you're trying to keep people

from voting by making it harder for them to use mail-in ballots. my 88-year-old father, my 86-year-old mother loved to use the mail-in ballots. it's really anti-democracy and anti-seniors here in florida. i think it's a big political mistake, if you want to know the truth. whenever you do things like that and you overreach and try to suppress too much or you don't listen to women and their right to choose, you know, these kinds of things come back to you. i think that's going to happen in this race. if anybody wants to help, please go to charlie crist.com because we need the help. >> i tell you who you'll have against you is the man who endorsed you in 2005 as being a great governor, donald trump himself. that's something you'll have to contend with in this race if it gets competitive. you will be welcome here to make your case to the people throughout. >> thank you, chris, i appreciate it very much. >> congressman crist, be well. a cyberattack linked to a russian criminal gang has crippled a key u.s. pipeline. now, i know this isn't getting

the resonance. i know there's nothing sexy about attacking a pipeline. but you do understand if you can manipulate the infrastructure of a country, you will bring it to its knees. this pipeline controls the flow of fuel to most of the east coast. do you know what happens if they had really brought it down and not just compromised it for a while, for gas prices, the lines, the inconvenience, the anger? that's one of the reasons infrastructure matters, and it's one of the reasons that stopping russia from doing this really matters. now, the senator who's kind of like the godfather of cybersecurity has been talking about this forever, and everybody always says, oh, yeah, we all do it. well, now what? next. this is our block. our place. our people. watch the curb. not having a ride to get the vaccine. can't be the reason you don't get it. you wanna help?

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supply and demand. you get that. but what about the bigger price of this happening again and again and more seriously and more seriously, because our infrastructure really isn't set up for this. ransomware attacks are on the rise. they're getting bigger, more sophisticated, outpacing anything we're doing to stop it. and as far as the fbi knows, this isn't even a state actor, it's just a criminal gang. now, look, they know this stuff better than i do and i've worked with the cyber guys there for many years, but i have to tell you there's not a lot that happens in russia that the russian government doesn't somehow have to tacitly or openly endorse. the perfect guest to dive into this is senator anginaus king. good to have you. >> hey, chris, good to be with you. >> it's been too long. hope you're well. hope all the mothers in your life got their due yesterday. >> we had a great brunch with a lot of mothers. it was wonderful. >> so let's do this.

i don't care, this is what people do, people hack all the time. america hacks, japan hacks, north korea, south korea, russia, you all do it to each other, this is what it is and it's not worth getting that upset about, they'll figure it out. >> no, it is worth getting upset about because, chris, we keep getting these wake-up calls and we're not waking up. i said to somebody the other day, we're looking at the longest wind-up for a punch in the history of the world. we got one over the weekend and we learned how vulnerable this pipeline system is. this is something i've been concerned with. in new england we get 60% of our electricity from gas that's brought into the region by pipeline, and yet we don't have the same level of standards of cyber protection for the pipeline system that we have for the grid. but, chris, there's another -- there's a bigger picture here. you remember we've all seen those posters from world war ii,

loose lips sink ships, do your part, they're doing theirs, that kind of thing. this is a new kind of conflict where it's not battleships and airplanes and armies, it's the private sector infrastructure that's at risk. 85% of the target space in cyberspace is in the private sector, and that's what we saw this weekend. we're about to see the kind of disruption. you know, if you want another sample, it's what happened in texas when the weather brought the grid down, but that could have just as easily have been a cyberattack. that tells you what kind of impacts it could have. >> so why is this the only kind of attack that never gets anybody angry in america? if this had been human beings who did this with any kind of russia connection, we would be on the brink of military conflict. god forbid if this had been arabs or muslim extremists. we would be on the brink. but when it's cyber, nobody

seems to care. is there something we can do to stop it? >> yes. we can quit being a cheap date. we can start responding. we can start imposing costs. and actually the biden administration about a month ago did impose some serious sanctions on russia for the solarwinds attack last year. but we've got to up that game. the sad truth is cyber is cheap. putin can hire 8,000 hackers for the price of one jet airplane. so what they're doing, they're going to keep doing. now, we don't know, as you pointed out, this is supposedly a criminal gang, but i'm not sure how you distinguish that from whether or not they have some connection to the russian government. actually it was sort of humorous today. apparently this criminal gang has a website and they went on their own website to say we didn't have anything to do with the government, we just wanting the money so it was pure

ransomware. we can't confirm that, whether it had anything to do with the government, but the point is people who are doing this kind of thing to our country should pay a price and they should know they are going to pay a price and that's the only thing that will deter it. now, if this was a gang of some kind in russia, if russia was a responsible player on the world scene, they would impose penalties. they wouldn't tolerate this happening within their border. and that's part of what has to happen here. >> my promise, let's do another segment on this when you figure out the right fixes. for instance, biden has a huge price tag on the infrastructure bill. there is money for the power grid but it doesn't address specifically cybersecurity. you also have 85% of the infrastructure is privately owned, so you've got to figure out how to get them to work in their own interest with government help. i know you'll be on the answer side of this. when you figure it out and want to come on, the answer is yes. all right, senator? >> we'll be there, and i've got -- i've got some suggestions. we'll do it in phase two, chris. >> thank you.

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republican governors are seizing on friday's job report to cut off aid to american workers. we saw it today. alabama, north dakota, mississippi, they joined arkansas, montana, south carolina, all of them cutting off the extra $300 a week to unemployed americans that comes from the federal government. the president is trying to push back with the power of the bully pulpit like this. >> so let's be clear, our economic plan is working. i never said and no serious analyst ever suggested that

climbing out of the deep, deep hole our economy was in would be simple, easy, immediate or perfectly steady. >> the treasury secretary said the same thing friday. look, soon we saw how disappointing april's job numbers were, right? you see that this isn't going to be when you separate the r and the d on this one and look at the reality, you will see the white house is playing politics with people's looives. that money matters for americans. it is a reflection of need and a reflection of how few people are paid well. people are literally starving in this country. still. look at the numbers. look at the numbers, they are starving in ways we have never seen since we have been alive. that's the impact of $300 a week.

you get past the noise, you see people at the bottom who needs the $300 the most. they are the ones getting up and going back to work quick ler. that's because there are more hours available to work especially places like restaurants. just because people pay $15 an hour is not like some king's ransom. take a look at the spike in april, we are not talking about 27 hours a week for the average work. it is much less than 40. it is time end month. if the slow down in april was about paying people too much then how come states cutting assistance we don't see better hiring numbers. the answers are more complicated. too many schools and daycare remains closed. what does it mean for parents? they got to wait. they can't work. they got to take care of their kids. too many and still don't feel safe going back to work.

why? the pandemic isr real. what kind of jobs do all those workers have? a lot of hourly workers are taken abused and they are having a hard time and they're scared. most of them don't have the vaccine. we are talking about around a third of the people being vaccinated. go back a month, those numbers are half what they are now. it is not the extra $300. it is not all it is. it factors into people's decisions especially when you don't have any money. it is taking those money away when they need it so much. you think you are going to get them to stop being lazy. it is so broken and obvious. they got to choose between a virus they are not equipped for and going back to a place where they are not getting paid as much and relying for strangers

and food and record numbers. you want to talk about numbers? my friend, katherine, good to see you, happy mother's day. you lazy bum, on that gov government -- do you buy it? >> there are some workers factoring into the decisions of whether they go back to work or what outside options are? one of the options is to remain on generous benefits and that had been a benefit before the pandemic. if the kind of jobs offer are paying less of what they can get on unemployment benefit. it is one factor among many that workers are probably weighing. if you don't have access to child care and if schools are

closed near you or other child care facilities are not operational and don't have slots for your kids. it does not matter if there is a job youoffered or how well it i paid. if you can't get to work because a lot of areas of the country have cut back on public transit, hopefully some of that will be reversed. in the meantime, you are being offered a job that requires you to take a two-hour commute on multiple buses or whatever, it may not be worth it to you even if the job is offering 9 d$9 an hour or instead of $7.25. there is a lot of reasons why jobs may not be super attractive now, at least public facing jobs. the risk of illness if the workers have not been vaccinated or customers are not vaccinated. and as you point out there are a lot of these high-profile videos

of consumers and customers screaming at workers and sometimes asusaulting them. you can change some of the financial calculus here and you can say okay tawe'll take away your $300 a week, financial supplement, if there is no one to watch your kids, it will be difficult for those going back to work. i don't want to pretend it does not. all these other things matter, too. >> it is also about why it matters, okay? it is as much a lens into how low the pay levels are for workers in these job spaces. >> katherine rampell, good to see you again. appreciate you. we'll be right back. >> thank you. honey! scuff defense. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusively at the home depot.

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