free shipping. visit petmeds.com today. good evening. john berman here, in for anderson. and we are following multiple breaking-news stories, this evening. new details about how the vote expelling congresswoman liz cheney from house-lrepublican leadership will go down on wednesday, including surprising news about who may call the vote. also, breaking news on the covid front. major decision from the fda pertaining to a segment of the population that could boost efforts to herd immunity. we are talking about our kids or mine, literally. we are also having a lengthy c sitdown with a republican running in the california recall election. former olympian, turned rea reality-tv star, caitlyn jenner. >> do you believe that the election was stolen? >> no, i -- i believe in the system.

but i believe in the -- what we need to do, in the future, is we are a democratic republic. we need to have integrity in our election system. i'm not going to go on the past. you know, we're in a post-trump era and they still keep talking about it. >> are we, though? >> we're in a post-trump era. we -- we have moved forward. >> i don't think he believes that. >> a lot to unpack, tonight. let's start with the breaking news and the drama unfolding with the house-republican leadership vote. our jamie gangel joins us with some new breaking details. also with us, gloria borger. jamie, you are learning more about how this vote is expected to go on on wednesday, including how congresswoman liz cheney feels about all of this. what can you tell us? >> first of all, i think what not a lot of people realize is what does the conference chair do? liz cheney is the conference chair. that means she is running the conference, on wednesday morning.

which means, it is very likely, that she could be the one to call the vote to oust herself. which is, either, awkward, or maybe a bad-ass power play, depending on how you look at it. i'm, also, told by -- by sources close to cheney, that she is not taking this vote personally. she actually sees this, as a vote on her colleagues in the republican party. are they going to vote for the truth? are they going to vote for rule of law? for democracy? or are they back to sticking with donald trump? john. >> jamie, do you have reporting on -- on how liz cheney actually feels? if she wants to call the vote? and will this ballot be a secret ballot like it was in february? >> so, i -- i don't know if -- if she wants to be the one to call it. but that -- that really could happen. the votes are normally a voice

vote. the yeas and nays. however, if someone asks for a secret ballot, and gets five people to second that. it will be a secret ballot. we don't know which way it's going to go. but considering what we've seen, thus far, i don't think this is going to be on the record. i think it will be a secret ballot. >> so, gloria, there is a little bit of a wrinkle tonight. cnn's manu raju reporting some members of the freedom caucus, that conservative wing, far-far wing, may want to delay the vote on cheney's replacement for elise stefanik because they find her to be too moderate. you have been talking to republicans of the house, what are they telling you? >> first of all, be careful what you wish for. here, you have a true conservative, liz cheney. you know, given great ratings by all-conservative groups. to be replaced, potentially, by stefanik, who was known as a moderate.

and now, is running to be the head of the conference, which is the policy group for the republican party. but the republicans, i'm talking to, say that's really not what this is about, of course. this isn't about policy. and they, also, say this isn't about the substance of what she believes about the election. because a lot of them, privately, will say to you, yeah, you know, she has a point. what they are talking about is, and it's so parochial, is how she has embarrassed kevin mccarthy. imagine that. how he was so good to her, and treated her so well and supported her when there was the last-secret ballot, which she won by 2-1. and if you remember the leadership, you ought to go with the flow. you should not make any waves. and i had one person say to me, sometimes your friends are too brave for their own good. you don't have to prove you're right, every time. >> i mean, he -- he just wrote that letter, too. saying as much.

but this is basically republicans telling you, gloria, that she's making kevin mccarthy feel bad about -- about -- about -- >> how dare she? >> -- the lie. >> how dare she? yeah. how dare she cross him? and i'm emphasizing she there, in case you didn't notice. how dare she cross him? he was so supportive to her. she is outraged and jamie knows this, better than anybody. she is outraged by what she has seen mccarthy do. flip flopping all over the place. and she has every right to speak her mind, because it is that important. >> wasn't clear that kevin mccarthy's feelings were so badly hurt or that he was so sensitive about this stuff. jamie, where does this go from here? how do you see this playing out? >> so, let me just say about kevin mccarthy, he is also concerned about looking bad with one person, and that's donald trump. at the end of the day, he is doing donald trump's bidding because donald trump cannot stand that liz cheney voted to

impeach him. and -- and has stuck to her guns. i think, where this goes next is, kevin mccarthy may win the battle on wednesday. liz cheney expects the vote to go against her, and has from the very beginning. but liz cheney is in this for the war. she is going to keep campaigning. she feels this is about democracy, about the future, and about making sure that donald trump is not running, in 2024. so, this is liz cheney unleashed, john. this is just the beginning. >> is she whipping this at all? i mean, she had, what, 40-plus votes against her last time. does she think she will get 40 votes in her defense, this time? >> i don't think she has any idea what the vote count is. i am told, she is not whipping it because she feels this is about principle, over politics.

so, she is not whipping the vote. she, to the best of my knowledge, does not know how the vote's going to go. >> so, gloria, jamie was talking about the long game. >> yeah. >> that liz cheney is playing here. there is a new video out, released by the group accountable gop, which features liz cheney speaking out against the former president. what do you think of liz cheney's long game, here? do you think this is something that she will carry forward, all the way to 2022? i mean, where do you see her going with this? >> look. if she weren't serious about this, john, she wouldn't be doing this because she is putting herself on the sacrificial altar here and saying, look, i believe in something so strongly, that you can use me as an example. and do whatever -- do whatever you want. this is something, i don't believe, she's going to give up on. i don't believe that others in the republican party are going to give up on. for example, mitt romney just came out and supported her, today. we know that adam kinzinger is there. they're not the majority in the

party, right now. we know that. but i do believe that they think democracy is important enough to be speaking the truth about what occurred. >> no matter what someone's feelings might be. >> yeah. >> gloria borger, jamie gangel. great to see you both. thank you so much. i am joined now by delegate stacey plaskett who represents the u.s. virgin islands in congress and was an impeachment manager for democrats, earlier this year, when donald trump was impeached for inciting the insurrection. and congressman plaskett, if i had told you when you were an impeachment manager on the senate floor, that three months later, the big lie on the election would be so pervasive that republicans would lose their jobs in leadership for not supporting it. what would you have said? >> i'd say, i'm not surprised. >> really? why? >> you know, well, i mean, you watched, during the impeachment, that individuals who agreed with us. and even a kevin mccarthy, who

had a colossal fallout argument/cursing match with the -- with the president on the day of the insurrection, on january 6th. went to the floor to say that he was responsible. and then, several days later, mea culpa, he was following the trail of donald trump. going to mar-a-lago, and asking for forgiveness. if that's what the leadership was doing, right there, several days after the insurrection. and then, on the impeachment floor, you had senators who agreed, privately, that we had, in fact, made our case. but that they would not vote with us. and then, you have mitch mcconnell, basically, summarizing our opening-and-closing statements, in agreement with us. and then, saying why he was not going to support it. of course, this is of no -- this -- this is not a surprise. the republicans are following what their message is. they have decided that their

message is obstructionism, is a big lie, is divisiveness, is tribalism, is, in some instances, dog whistling. and in some corners of the republican conference, outright white supremacy, anti-semitism, and racism. >> do you feel as if the big lie on the election is spreading? do you feel as if more people, more republicans, believe it today? even than may have believed it in early february? >> i'm not necessarily sure that's the case. i do believe that the republican party, itself, those in elected positions, are more concerned about retaining their power than speaking the truth. more concerned about being a part of the gop, than they are about the direction of this country. we have seen this, time and time again. they have, in the instance of president biden putting forth the american-rescue plan, voted against the rescue plan.

and then, each one, in their own district, touting the benefits of it. we'll probably see the thing -- same thing on the american-jobs plan. that they have just become a party of obstruction, of -- of no-ism. they are not a party that wants to get to yes. that wants to support the american people. they want to support themselves and their quest for power. >> you know, republican congressman adam kinzinger said of his own party, he said right now it's basically the titanic. we're like in the middle of this slow sink. that was the quote there. what does that mean? you know, you can be a democrat who opposes republicans on policy, but still think the two-party system is important. what does it mean, for american democracy, not the democratic party, but democracy, if the republican party is in a slow sink? >> well, what it means, and the trouble it is for democracy, is not that particularly a party is being divided over ideology and

direction. which, you know, happens through generations and with -- through time. but the problem that is happening within the republican party is that divisiveness is what is over dmemocracy, itself. over what makes us america. are we going to be -- continue to be a country of laws? a country that has full, fair elections? that expands the amount of people that are able to vote? that allows new ideas and innovation to be a part of our country? that tries to uplift the middle class? or are we going to hold onto our own power whether it means stopping the very things that the founders fought so hard for? that, being elections. that, being the ability of all of us to pursue happiness. and we are seeing that the republicans, that is the fight that's going on within their party. and that's why the demise of the party is troubling, because it

is those who are fighting to retain that democracy, it appears to be, on the minority side right now. at least within the leadership of that party. >> delegate stacey plaskett, we do appreciate talking to you. thank you for your time. >> thank you. still to come tonight. our breaking news on coronavirus and what the fda did today, that could potentially expand the pfizer vaccinations to millions of americans. and later, a wide-ranging interview with someone who has been in the public eye for decades. first, as an olympic-gold med list, then relality-tv show. and now, republican candidate in california's recall election. dana bash interviews caitlyn jenner when "360" continues. cal: we've saved our money, and now we get to spend it our way. val: but we worry if we have enough to last. for retirement planning, investment advice, and more,

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more breaking news. the fda has expanded the

emergency-use authorization for the pfizer vaccine, to include those 12 to 15 years of age. that's 17 million new people e eligible. now, this is the first time a vaccine has been authorized for use in younger teens and adolescents. and the shots will come, once the cdc, also, signs off. perspective now from dr. leana wen, a former baltimore health commissioner, and cnn medical analyst. dr. wen, look. this is phenomenal news for me. i have two 14-year-olds. i could not be more excited about this. walk us through how this works and some of the considerations, right? will the teenagers receive the same doses of the pfizer vaccine, as adults do? what do the trials show about the vaccine in this age group? >> well, first of all, john, i share your excitement and relief, as a parent, myself. i really want our children to be able to experience the benefit of these extraordinary vaccines, the way that we, as adults, do. so in terms of your question, the dose is the same for the

12-to-15-year-old category, as it is for 16-year-olds and above. the study, thus far, by pfizer, found that they -- they had more than 2,200 participants. and they found that there were 18 cases of covid-19 during their trial. all-18 cases were in the placebo group. that means that nobody who received the vaccine, ended up contracting coronavirus. so, this appears to be 100% efficacious in this 12-to-15-year-old group. great-safety profile, as well. and i just know of so many kids in this dcategory, this 12 to 15-year-old group, who are so eager to get back to normal and have other aspects of pre-pandemic normal once they are fully vaccinated. >> because these are the kids who were out there doing as many things, or want to be, as many things as they possibly can. so this will really change things. what about younger children, under the age of 12? >> the fda actually just made announcement that they are going to be convening their external committee next month, in june,

to be looking at recommendations for the 2 to 11-year-old group. now, we don't have data, yet, from this group. so we can't say, for sure. this group is certainly going to be trickier because doses have be to be adjusted. a 12-ye2-year-old is not going t the same dose as a 16-year-old. so they will review safety and efficacy, at that point. but i know i am certainly very excited, as i have a 4-year-old, who is not yet able -- able to be vaccinated. >> so, dr. fauci said this weekend, that as more people are vaccinated, he does expect that guidance on indoor-mask use will change. what are you expecting, or hoping, the cdc will decide on this point? and when? because, look, you have been kritle critical of the cdc and biden officials. i know you didn't like that. >> that's right. i think there are two things cdc can actually do right now. the first is to give very clear guidance about fully-vaccinated people, in formal settings.

right now, they are already saying they can have dinner parties together, at home. but why not, also, say, and theaters and workplaces? that, if everybody is fully vaccinated, they can remove masks. you don't need distancing in that environment, if there is proof of vaccination for everyone. the second thing is they really need to give better guidance on what happens, by region. we're not talking about reaching herd immunity or reaching a high level of vaccination for the country. at this point, we really need to break it down, by community. and so, we really need to hear what is the level of vaccination for the community? and i think that would give a lot of incentive for individuals to get vaccinated, too. >> dr. leana wen, always a pleasure speaking to you. thanks so much. >> thank you, john. so, the administration, also, dealing with a national-security incident, tonight. this afternoon, president biden said he is taking steps to make sure there is not a run on gasoline after a cyberattack forced the shutdown of a major-u.s. pipeline, that delivers nearly half the gas and diesel consumed on teast coast. the ransomware attack could

potentially leave the region with widespread shortages, affecting everywhere there is a pump, from gas stations to major airports. our chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, joins us now with the latest. jim, what are you hearing from your sources? >> well, this is really an unprecedented attack, in terms of scale. other-state actors, non-state actors, have tried to access u.s. infrastructure before. they've had some success. state actors have planted weapons, cyberweapons, inside these systems before. but to have an attack like this that actually shuts something down is significant and it shows vulnerabilities. i mean, it may very well be true that the system will be able to recover in time. so you don't have a shortage in the northeast of gasoline and other kinds of fuel. but just the fact that you have an american president saying, i'm going to do everything i can to prevent a run on fuel shows you, one, the seriousness of this. but also, two, that a significant vulnerability has been exposed here. now, the company, itself, is also saying they'll have the system up and running by the end

of the week. and the company did a lot of things right, here, in terms of responding to this. but the lesson here is about vulnerability. and what more needs to be done to prevent the next one. >> so, the russian government denies any involvement in the attack. does the u.s., all levels of the u.s. government, buy this denial? and what more are you learning, jim, about this group dark side? >> so, first of all, ignore everything -- says. less than zero credibility on something like this. they denied interference until the election before. but the biden administration, itself, is saying we don't have evidence that the russian government is behind this attack. but -- but -- but there's -- there's meaning in those words, right? this is a russian group. it is a criminal group, a hacking group. it's not, say, part of russian-military intelligence. that said, it is operating from russia. and i've spoken to -- to multiple, both, experts but also national-security officials, who make the point that these groups

don't operate in russia, without the knowledge of the russian government. and for an attack on this scale to happen, many believe that they would need the tacet approval of the government, right? because there's history here. russia has used hacking groups, before, to carry out attacks on foreign adversaries, including the u.s. so, you know, it may be one thing that this was not ordered by putin and directed through the kremlin. but the fact that it came from russia is significant. >> very quickly, what exactly is a ransomware attack? and how is that distinctive from a different cyberattack? >> listen. it's good that we are talking about this, right? because these attacks are happening, every day. every single day. state, city, local governments, private companies, having these attacks every day. private groups, basically, get into someone's network. they say, i can shut this thing down. or they shut it down. say, i won't turn it back on, until you pay me money. until you pay me a ransom. or steal a bunch of information, and i'm going to sell this on the dark web until you pay me money.

what is little known, john, is a lot of companies are paying these ransoms every day. it's good business. it works. >> jim sciutto, it's fascinating. devious but fascinating. thank you for explaining it like that. perspective now on the investigation from andrew mccabe, former deputy-fbi director and cnn law enforcement analyst. so, you know, andy, how does this stack up against some of the worst cyberwarfare scenarios that the fbi and other agencies have tried to prepare for? >> john, this one's going to be right up there. we are going to be talking about this for quite some time. it's -- it's an interesting combination of criminal actors, who appear to be applying their trade simply for profit motive. but they have struck, in a way that really grabbed the attention of a major player in our energy sector. i would -- i would suspect that they targeted this-particular player because they knew that, if they grabbed their information, if they were able to shut down their i.t. systems, there would be so much at stake. i.e., the continued functioning of the gas pipeline.

that the -- the company, colonial pipeline, would have to respond quickly, and would -- would likely pay to get access to their system, back. so, i'm not -- i'm not sure that it was a geopolitical-strategic move, but it was one that kind of had those sorts of implications. so we have really seen the criminal realm run into the -- the almost the political realm. >> and, of course, the target here was a private company. it's a private company that controls something all of us use. so it has a very public or universal feel to it. but private companies. what are the vulnerabilities there? even president biden talked about this today. >> sure. so, it's really important for viewers to understand that, in this country, our critical infrastructure is owned and operated and maintained and protected by the private-sector entities that own it. these are not government entities. they are private companies. they can, you know, they can employ the greatest and best cyberdefenses, or have none at all. those are their own decisions. and so, i think that's the

exposed vulnerability here. people are realizing that, in many ways, the fate of our lifestyles, of our economy, of all those sorts of thing, sit in the hands of private companies. who in many cases, have a strong incentive to keep this sort of activity, when they're hacked, when they're victimized, very private and not report them at all. in this case, obviously, the company did the right thing. >> so moments ago, jim sciutto warned us not to take russia's word for it. when they say, that they were not involved in the attack. but the biden administration, the president, himself, said that he sees no-direct line, at this point, between russia and dark side, the group carrying it out. but this group is, presumably, based in russia. so -- >> that's right. >> so what does this all mean? >> well, a couple things. you can count on the fact that every-intelligence agency in our vast community is looking for that evidence that the president spoke of today. so we don't have evidence, yet, that the russian government was behind this or directing it. but i'm sure they're looking for

it now. the second thing i would point out is, like the -- the point that you just made. people should think about this, in terms of piracy. we would never permit another nation to shelter a group of pirates, who would go out and -- and raid our -- our ships as they passed and victimize our, you know, our private seafaring vessels. that's essentially what russia is doing here. they allowed this group to exist in russia, to work in russia. to target enemies of russia. so, it is essentially with the -- with the kind of a wink and a nod, the russians, i'm confident, know what this group is up to. the fact that they are giving them shelter is a violation of the -- of the normal-political order that we should be looking for. >> andrew mccabe, always a pleasure to speak with you. thanks so much. coming up an in-depth discussion with caitlyn jenner. running in california's recall election to replace governor gavin newsom. that's when we return. us.

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recapping our breaking news from earlier in the program. the fda has expanded the use of the pfizer covid vaccine on an emergency-use authorization to include 12 to 15-year-olds. this, as the overall numbers show the battle against the pandemic is gaining more and more traction. just over 44% of the american-adult population is now fully vaccinated. even as some days, less people are rolling up their sleeves to

get a vaccine. still, health officials in los angeles county, california, said today that they expect to reach herd immunity among adults and the oldest teenagers by july. but california's governor, gavin newsom, is facing a recall election, with some voters upset about how he handled the pandemic. cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash, sat down with one of his high-profile opponents, caitlyn jenner, for a discussion about her politics, her campaign, and what she plans to do if elected. pulling out an air compressor to pump her own tires. not your typical-celebrity moment. yet, caitlyn jenner's life is anything but typical. an olympic-gold medal for the decathlon in 1976. an iconic spot on the wheaties box. a reality-tv dad in "keeping up with the kardashians." a transition to caitlyn, with a vanity fair cover reveal.

now, she is running for governor of california in a race to recall democrat gavin newsom. jenner invited us to her 12-acre hilltop ranch in malibu, skband explained why. >> during covid, it was horrible. i woke up in the morning, like, what do i do today? there is absolutely nothing. you can't even go to the restaurant. you know? >> uh-huh. >> and it just drives me crazy. when i started thinking about this, because i always follow politics. >> reporter: but her political involvement was limited. she backed donald trump in 2016, but broke from him two years later. citing harsh lgbtq policies. >> what kind of training do you have to be governor of california? >> i have been in the entrepreneurial world. you know, people think if you've been in show biz, they think of you as a reality star. certainly, i have done that but entertainment is a business, and you have to run that business. but i've also done other things. you know, we sold a billion dollars worth of exercise equipment on television.

had aviation companies. i've just always been involved being an entrepreneur. and tried to inspire my children to do the same thing. and they've done very well, in that department. and all those life experiences, about -- and probably the most important thing is being a leader. >> reporter: this state, this is the fifth-largest economy in the world. >> yes. >> you feel qualified to take that on? >> yes, because i'm going to surround myself with some really great people. i had some meetings, this week, on budget -- with budget people. who i -- just so impressed. >> can you share who you met with? >> no, we'll just leave it as budget people. and we'll leave it there. i don't want to expose anybody. i've had meetings on regulations. with the hoover institution. and this one guy, lee, was just, like, the best. so smart. been working on regulations, in this state, for the last-ten

years. had solutions. i said, oh, my god, you're like my new, best friend. okay? i learned so much from him, in such a short amount of time. but it's people like that, that i feel like i have the ability to attract to sacramento. that can make a difference. >> reporter: jenner is trying to appeal to californians, who feel overburdened by government regulation, and overtaxed. >> i would freeze taxes. i would freeze regulations. no more regulations, no more taxes. everybody, take a big, deep breath, and let's see what we can do. >> no-more regulations? >> i didn't say no more. no more -- no-new regulations. a freeze on the regulations that are in place. >> you said a freeze on taxes. you mean, a freeze on new taxes? >> new taxes. yes. >> but i don't think governor newsom. he hasn't put any new taxes in place, in years. >> yeah, but we still need to freeze. >> elon musk just left california. >> yeah. >> moved to texas, where there is no state-income tax. >> right. >> but do you think that a billionaire, like him, should be

taxed? >> i think all californians don't mind a tax. but they also want it to be fair. okay? i don't think elon musk worries about a 5% tax on something. it's when you start looking at the tax rates in california. how we are taxed. you walk out the door, and you're going to start being taxed. >> i want to ask a little bit about national politics. >> uh-oh. okay. remember, i'm running for california. >> i know. i know. >> this is not a national position. >> it is not a national position but you are a national figure. and you're -- and you're running, you know, to be a different kind of republican. so let's talk about that. the former president still claims that the 2020 elections were stolen from him. >> uh-huh. >> so, let me ask you, do you believe president biden was dually elected? >> he is our president. i respect that.

i realize, there was -- there's a lot of frustration over that election. you know what? i'm frustrated over what -- what happened back then. but what have i done? okay. as a citizen. i'm frustrated. and i said, you know what? i want to do something about it. >> the then-trump campaign went to court. they filed scores and scores of lawsuits. there was no evidence that there was anything fraudulent. do you -- are you comfortable with that? do you believe that the election was stolen? >> no. i -- i believe in the system. but i believe in the -- what we need to do, in the future, is we are a democratic republic. we need to have integrity in our election system. i'm not going to go on the past, you know. we're in a post-trump era and they still keep talking about it. >> are we, though? >> we're in a post-trump era.

>> i don't think he believes that. >> we have moved forward. >> the reason i am asking you about this because you are a republican. and there is a -- >> well, kind of. kind of on the republican side. but yes. >> are you not a republican? >> no, i -- i -- i -- i hate to use -- we label everybody. okay? i don't like labels. you know? i'm me. okay, and this is how i deal -- just because i have conservative-economic philosophy. that -- that's the only thing that the republicans are kind of on, that i'm on. but i don't know. maybe, you call me a libertarian. maybe, call me in the middle. i really don't know because when it comes to social issues, i'm much more progressive. much more liberal. >> reporter: california has long been a leader on combatting the climate crisis. for years, governors, in both parties, signed on to aggressive policies to reduce greenhouse gases. california established an ambitious goal of relying, entirely, on zero-emission energy sources for electricity

by 2045. would you keep that in place? >> probably not. i would let the free market determine, at what point. i don't think it's government going to come up and say that by 2045, we have to have zero emissions. technology is what we need to follow. there is a lot of smart people out there, trying to get -- make a zero emissions. and as that technology improves, we will go less and less. i was in -- i would go -- 30 years ago, drive into santa monica. you couldn't even see the mountains in pasadena. every day, on through the '70s and '80s. every day, on the news, they would have the smog alert. this is what the smog is. they don't even have those, anymore. you can go to santa monica and you can see the mountains, all the time. >> isn't that because of the aggressive laws here? >> we are doing a good job. >> so you would keep those in place? or you would -- you would change it? >> keep?

>> meaning the laws that have been in place here, which are really aggressive. >> uh-huh. >> in favor of the environment. against fossil fuels. probably, helped to allow you to see in santa monica like you are talking about. >> yes. i would keep things in place, but i'm not -- fossil fuel will, eventually, leave. okay? we are going to have other forms, in the next-50 years, okay. may not even be talking about this. we will have another-energy source. but for the time being, fossil fuels are around. >> yeah. you got to have it. >> reporter: in an atv ride around her property, jenner points out damage from devastating-malibu fires, more than two years ago, that almost engulfed her house. and shows us an empty barn. >> for the last couple of years, i've had friends, that have had rescue horses that needed places for them to stay. and this place is so great for that. kendall and kylie have horses,

and i thought, well, maybe, they'd want to bring them over here. they dohaven't done that. >> kendall and kylie jenner, two of her ten children. most are reality-tv famous, including four-kardashian step children. >> are any of your children going to campaign with you? >> here's the deal on them. thank you for asking the question. >> yeah. >> my kids are not involved, whatsoever, with this. >> how come? >> no, i'm total -- i -- no, honestly, i told them at the start. and i love my kids. the kids love me and i have a great relationship. but i told them, right at the start. i said, guys, because they were scared. one, for my safety. and scared of what the media's going to do. you know? my family has, certainly, you know, been out in the media. and they have taken their shots. and they don't need to take any more. and i said don't even -- i said, i am not going to ask you for one tweet. i'm not going to ask you for one thing. you guys, go live your life. this is my deal. this is my decision to do this. and tell -- i'm going to tell the media, stay away. don't ask 'em. and i told them, just no

comment. >> kim kardashian, your stepdaughter. she's pretty involved in policy issues, criminal-justice reform. >> i love kim and i think she's doing a great job with the criminal-justice system. >> uh-huh. >> and if i -- when i become governor, i would -- i would follow her guidance in that because she has been very, very good on that. and the rehabilitation side of it. but i don't have her involved in the campaign, at all, whatsoever. i can't say we've never discussed it. but she's great. i love kimberly. she's smart, great businesswoman. and very dedicated, you know, to the -- doing a better job when it comes to criminal justice. and she would have my ear. i can tell you that. when i'm up in sacramento. >> reporter: to get to sacramento, californians first need to know her positions. back up at her house, we talked about more. >> okay. immigration. >> immigration. >> california's labor force includes 1.75 million

undocumented immigrants. should they have a path to citizenship? >> i would hope so. i am for legal immigration. okay? what's been happening on the border was, honestly, one of the reasons i decided to run for governor. i was watching people dying, coming across the river. kids in cages, whatever you want to call them. >> they should have a chance at citizenship? >> absolutely. yeah. yeah, they should. to be -- personally, i mean, there's a lot of people. but personally, i have met some of the most wonderful people who are immigrants. who have come to this country. and they are just model citizens. they are just great people. and i would fight for them to be, you know, u.s. citizens. i think would be the greatest day of their life. actually, you know, a little trivia here. back, 15 years ago, they would have, when the signing in of the immigrants, they would show a

video of america. and it would end with me, a picture, at the finish line with the american flag up there. >> reporter: that image, when jenner won the gold. beating back the soviet union in the height of the cold war. >> yes, you can take it and open it up. that is an olympic-gold medal. you can take it out. yeah. yeah. and it's been in that box, ever since. i very rarely ever take it out. >> should i take it out? >> yeah, sure. >> reporter: it is jenner's fame as an olympian and now as a transgender woman that make her position noteworthy when it comes to moves by largely-republican-led states, to push legislation banning trans girls in sports. >> you didn't make your -- your move to become a woman, until you were 65 years old. >> right. >> but had you done it when you were younger, you might not have become the most, you know, famous athlete in the world, at the time, in 1976. had you not been able to compete. had you transitioned younger.

so, does that make you think about trans girls and sports a little bit differently when you think about your own experience? >> well, i -- i -- i look at it in a couple ways and i will try to do this very briefly. i can't imagine, if i would have decided, back in '76, that -- i've always been trans. nobody knew it. little caitlyn lived down deep inside of me. nobody knew it. but then, the last minute, i'd say, you know what? maybe, i shouldn't run a decathlon. i should run the heptathlon. would that be fair? absolutely not, it would never have been fair for me to do that. okay? and so, this is a very complicated. but the most important thing, for me, is we protect women's sports. we can work the other issues out.

for trans women to compete in sports who are truly trans, who grew up trans, and have been trans all their life. >> that's different? >> it's 100% difference. and so, yeah, but as far as protecting women's sports, i'm about protecting women sports. yeah. and i -- and that means my statement was i don't want biological boys, you know, playing in girl's sports. >> reporter: republicans say they are pushing to recall governor newsom, a vote likely to happen this fall. in part, because he was too aggressive in shutting down california because of covid-19, and hypocritical. going to the five-star french laundry restaurant as cases of the virus were rising. what would you have done differently, if you were governor when the pandemic hit? >> you know what? i don't blame any governor or -- or the federal government, at the start, for what happened. i think it was a right decision to make, back in march of 2020.

to just close the country down. let's stop. hold it. let's see what we got here. as time went on, i don't think anybody realized how difficult it would be to open. >> so, you would have opened things earlier? >> i -- i would have definitely done my best to open up, as quick as possible. see, what i don't like about the -- this whole covid and opening back up is the hypocrisy that has been going on. i can't -- you know, my restaurant that i like, down the street, is closed. and it's not me getting a meal. but it's all the employees down there are out of work. >> reporter: economic despair, is one of the factors driving a huge-homeless crisis in california. tent cities, everywhere. just over one-in-four homeless americans lives in this state. jenner visited a salvation army shelter in east l.a., that is working on the problem

wholistically. >> we got to step up. >> reporter: from mental-health assistance, to long-term housing. so, how does governor jenner build more-affordable housing? >> the biggest problem is you have to change regulations. you have to build a coalition between government and private industry. >> so, what regulations do you think need to be changed to do that? >> c club, which is -- actually, started in 1970, the california environmental quality act, by ronald reagan. and it was great legislation. to help with the environment. but over the last-50 years, regulations have gone on top. regulations gone on top. it's like an excuse for

environmentalists to get their point across. i am all for the environment. i'm 100% for the environment. but we cannot destroy our state. okay? >> so build more on environmentally protected land? >> work with -- first of all, as far as regulations, i would freeze everything, take a look at it. some of these regulations have been on the books since before -- i mean honestly the facts machine. >> how would you address the very big mental health problems that contributing to homelessness? >> mental health is tough actually. i thought for the longest time i was dealing with mental health issues, but i've been able to solve that. everybody has things that they have to go through. you have to have a fair and equitable way to be able to help them. mental health issues are something that we would work on. we would try to provide programs, work with local organizations.

there's only so much sacramento can do. >> this is always good to come down and see you guys. >> caitlyn jenner, a newcomer to politics who has a lot to learn in what she calls the last chapter of her unlikely life. >> and dana bash joins me now. dana, there is so much in this. i mean a really fascinating interview. yes, there were some headlines with jenner being wishy-washy on if biden won the election fairly and saying we're in a post-trump era which i'm sure donald trump doesn't want to hear. but to me the overarching question that i have is if caitlyn jenner, who is making a serious run, i think, for governor of california, has spent time on her own policies, a grasp of where she really is on the issues. how seriously is she taking that? >> well, the answer is, and i think it was pretty clear, she's working on it. you know, i was trying to find

out who she was surrounding herself with on the policy side. we know on the political side, but on the policy side she mentioned lee, her new best friend at the hoover institution. but beyond that she didn't give a lot on those issues. big picture she says that she is and always has been fiscally conservative, but more socially liberal. but on the details, like on the environment as you heard and on taxes, for example, it's a work in progress. i think that's a fair thing to say. >> immigration? >> immigration is another example. she talked about -- i asked about a path to citizenship. she said, yes, she is for that because she believes that people who are undocumented in america and, you know, contributing to society should have a right to

stay, but her -- on her twitter feed they were trying to kid kind of explain it and give the nuance that we know from covering immigration politics for decades that are hard to square, especially if you're a republican. >> dana bash, thank you so much for your reporting. much more tomorrow morning. >> i'll be back with you in the morning, john. up next, there were nine mass shootings across america this weekend. nine. there was also gunfire in times square in the heart of new york city. the details on all of it when we continue. still in bed? yep! bye! that's why we love skechers max cushioning footwear. they've maxed out the cushion for extreme comfort. it's like walking on clouds! big, comfy ones! oh yeah! hi guys! check out this side right here. what'd you do? - tell me know you did it. - yeah. get a little closer. that's insane. that's a different car. -that's the same car. - no! yeah, that's before, that's after. oh, that's awesome. make it nu with nu finish. certified turbocharger, suspension and fuel injection. translation: certified goosebumps. certified from headlamp to tailpipe.

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with the child calmed her mother in the ambulance. >> she obviously was in a panic. she just saw her little baby get shot, so i was just trying to calm her down and trying to get her to breathe with me. >> reporter: all are expected to survive. the new york city shooting happening on a weekend that saw at least nine, nine mass shootings, meaning four or more victims dead or injured nationwide. in all, at least 15 people died, another 30 injured since friday as a result of mass shootings. in just one weekend, three mass shootings in california, one each in arizona, new jersey, maryland, wisconsin and missouri. and in colorado, six shot and killed at a birthday party. >> at this point in time, we believe that the individual, the suspect responsible for the shooting, was also on scene and also deceased. >> reporter: investigators say the shooter, who took his own life, was the boyfriend of one of the women at the party. just under two months ago, ten

people were killed at a supermarket in boulder, colorado, by a gunman wielding a military-style semiautomatic rifle and handgun. on friday evening it was a st. louis county, missouri, park. a neighborhood celebration. then a truck pulled up and someone in it started firing. two dead, three injured. >> it was all peaceful and beautiful. the next thing you know, fire -- gunfire just erupted. >> reporter: in maryland, it was the suburbs of baltimore. three dead, one injured after a gun and knife-wielding man set his own home on fire, then shot and stabbed his neighbors. in phoenix, arizona, one man is dead, at least seven more injured after a fight at a hotel. in milwaukee, wisconsin, and newark, new jersey, four people were injured in each city after a shooting broke out in public on the street. and in california, three shootings in los angeles. one was killed, five more

injured. four were injured outside a nightclub near sacramento. on the same night two young men were killed, two others injured in compton. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> just awful. the news continues so let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> john, thank you very much, appreciate it. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." tonight we're going to take on the toxic cause and effect, the root cause of everything that is wrong with our politics. that literally makes people, not just think, but do horrible things. there's now a term for it. it's called foxitis. and tonight you are going to hear a man that calls what happened to him foxitis. he's going to come on the show with his lawyer and explain to