that's how big this guy is. he's had issues in the past. he's got over them. we're not saying this is definite. that split sample still needs to come back but if there is a stain on baffert, stain on the sport. erin? >> nick, thank you very much and thanks to all of you. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. breaking news on the house floor of the u.s. capitol where congresswoman liz cheney is expected to speak any moment now. her office sent out a statement saying her speech would start around 8:00 p.m. likely, her last speech as house republican conference chair. now, with that happens, we will go liveher remarks. tomorrow it's expected to go to vote to lose her position, a battle between her place in the party but the former president and his false allegations about voter fraud which have continued to be em brbraced by the vast

majority of the republicans in the house. ryan nobles has the latest. what do we expect from congresswoman cheney tonight? >> reporter: anderson, we expect her to stand her ground as she's done since the beginning of this controversy and state emphatically she believes donald trump is lying what he says that there was wide spread fraud in the 2020 election and that by extension republicans who enable him to spread that lie are actually causing long term damage to the republican party. she's been very vocal about this going all the way back to the beginning of the year during the impeachment trial. she of course, voted to impeach the former president. you'll remember a couple weeks ago when she chose to be a part of that small group of republicans that voted to impeach the president. that's when conservatives, members of the freedom caucus wanted her removed from the position initially. the house minority leader supported her. she was able to hold onto the conference chair but an overwhelming number but in the past few weeks, she's continued to answer direct questions about

the former president, say what she believes to be true about this situation and that now looks as though it could cost her her job as the conference chair. anderson, the big difference between what we saw at the beginning of the year versus what we're seeing now is that she no longer enjoys that support from the minority leader kevin mccarthy who had about face on all of this. he calls her a distraction. says he's lost confidence in her and picked her replacecement in elyce elyce stefan and instead move past him and focus on conservative policies. it not expected, anderson, it will be enough and that she will be pushed out as conference chair in a vote tomorrow morning. >> it's so fascinating, kevin mccarthy months a i go supported cheney when she faced opposition saying the republican party was a big tent. now it's essentially the size of a pup tent.

there is no place in this republican party it seems currently in the house, especially, for republican leaders who are not willing to go along with the former president's big lie. >> you're absolutely right. ar it's important to pinpoint how we're judging these members of republican leadership when you look at liz cheney's voting record. she overwhelmingly voted with the president when he was in office. in fact, she voted with him for more often than stefanik. this is about that cheney refuses to side with the former president when it comes to his questions about the voting in the collection of votes in the 2020 election. she's repeatedly said president biden was elected and the election was fair and free and that is what caused all the canionsternation and caused the

former president to continually attack her and caused many loud voices in the far right of the republican party and house of representatives to come after her and the other thing that's interesting and we have a picture of the house floor upright now. what is actually going to be kind of the opening act to liz cheney's speech here tonight, these are members of the house freedom caucus that are speaking of the house floor right now. they are talking about cancel culture. they're talking about all these different things that they believe have silenced conservatives and brought up dr. sa -- dr. seuss and twitter and facebook and tomorrow morning they are set to vote liz cheney because she spoke out about something she believed to be true. i talked to adae adam kinzinger. he said it's appropriate for

republicans to call it out when they see it happening to them but when it is something they're doing, they're often blind to that. that's what we're seeing play out right now, anderson. >> liz cheney is extraordinary consistent whether you agree with her conservative principles or not. she's extraordinary consistent and it looks like liz cheney is about to approach the podium. we saw her in a shot there. she has been consistent. el el . >> thank you for yielding me time. the topic is cancel culture. i have some thoughts about that but tonight, i rise to discuss freedom and our constitutional duty to protect it. mr. speaker, i have been privileged to see firsthand how powerful and how fragile freedom is. 28 years ago i stood outside a

polling place, a schoolhouse in western kenya. soldiers had chased away people who were lined up to vote. a few hours later, they came streaming back in. risking for their attack, undaunted in their determination to exercise their right to vote. in 1992 i sat across the table from a young mayor in russia and i listened to him talk of his dream of liberating his nation from communism. years later, for his dedication to the cause of freedom, boris was assassinated by vladimir putin's thugs. in warsaw in 1990 i listened to a young polish woman tell me that her greatest fear was that people would forget, they would forget what it was like to live under soviet domination. that they would forget the price of freedom. three men, an immigrant who

escaped castro's regime, a young man who grew up behind the iron curtain and became his country's minister of defense and a d disident told me it was the miracle of america captured in the words of president ronald reagan that inspired them. and i've seen the power of faith and freedom. i listened to pope john paul, ii spoke to thousands in 1985. 19 years later, i watched that same pope take my father's hands, look in his eyes, and say good bless america. god has blessed america, mr. speaker. but our freedom only survives if we protect it. if we honor our oath, taken before god in this chamber to support and defend the constitution. if we recognize threats to freedom when they arise.

today we face a threat america has never seen before. a former president who provoked a violent attack on this capitol in an effort to steal the election has resumed his aggressive effort to convince americans that the election was stolen from him. he risks inciting further violence. millions of americans have been misled by the former president. they have heard only his words but not the truth as he continues to undermine our democratic process sewing seeds of doubt about whether democracy really works at all. i am a conservative republican, and the most conservative of conservative prince -- principles is reverence for the law. courts and multiple judges the former president appointed have rejected his claims.

the trump department of justice investigated the former president's claims of wide spread fraud and found no evidence to support them. the election is over. that is the rule of law. that is our constitutional process. those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war with the constitution. our duty is clear. every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. this is not about policy. this is not about partisanship. this is about our duty as americans. remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. i will not participate in that. i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to

undermine our democracy. as the party of regan, republicans have championed democracy, won the cold war and defeated the soviet communicomm. today, america is on the cusp of another cold war this time with come munist china. attacks against our democratic process and the rule of law empower our adversaries and feed communists propaganda that american democracy is a failure. we must speak the truth. our election was not stolen and america has not failed. i received a message last week from a gold star father who said standing up for the truth honors all who gave all. we must all strive to be worthy of the sacrifice of those who have died for our freedom. they are the patriots kathrine lee baits described in the words

of america the beautiful when she wrote oh beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife who more than self-their country loved and mercy more than life, ultimately mr. speaker this is at the heart of what our oath requires that we love our country more. that we love her so much that we will stand above politics to defend her. that we will do everything in our power to protect our constitution and our freedom that has been paid for by the blood of so many. we must love america so much that we will never yield in her defense. that is our duty. thank you. >> stunning 125statement from congress woman liz cheney speaking on the house floor likely tomorrow to be removed from her position as the third

most powerful republican in the house. i want to bring in david axelrod, former senior advisor to president obama and congress woman mia love and jamie. david, first of all, you heard what congresswoman cheney had to say. what do you think our audience was and did it change anything about her fate tomorrow? >> i don't think it will change anything about her fate tomorrow. i think her fate is probably sealed. i don't think she was speaking to the members of the caucus so much as she was speaking to republicans and americans across the country, and she under scored why she's in the dilemma she's in. she took a stand she refuses to participate in trump's lie and becomkcome inconvenient for thet of the republican caucus that want to keep peace with trump and use the big lie as a rational for changing voting laws across the country, and it's very hard to do when one of the leaders of your caucus is

out there speaking truth. i will say, anderson, you know, michelle obama said when they go low, we go high. this was a very big speech. this was a very lofty speech that went to fundamental principles of our democracy and i think the people who cast these votes against her tomorrow will look small in reflection. >> what is so stunning about it, jamie, you've done a lot of reporting on the runup to this. there was no thoeater and raise voices, it was very straightforward and saying our freedom only survives if we protect it. she spoke about experiences she firsthand of people she talked to in kenya, russia, poland fighting for freedom. she said today we have to face the threat america has never seen before. the former president she said quote risks inciting further violence. he continues to undermine our democratic processes, or process

more than 60 judges have rejected his claims. the election is over. that is our rule of law. she talked about those who are refusing to step to war with the constitution. she said remaining silent, ignoring the lie emboldens the liar, jamie. >> right. liz cheney believes that donald trump remains a threat to this country and as you said, it was delivered with classic liz cheney style no dramatics. but there were some parts that i know she's been writing this speech over several days and i think you hit on what she cared about most. she wanted to emphasize the first sentence is about duty, the last sentence is about duty. she wanted to make clear that the election is over. she also said something that actually i've spoken to her

about before and that is when she said millions of americans have been misled by the former president. i know that when she has gone back to wyoming and spoken to voters who believe the big lie, this is what she has tried to explain to him, and i would just say this. i believe that she sees the vote tomorrow not as a personal vote. it is a vote of principle. and if it is a vote on anyone, it a vote on her gop colleagues. i just want to say one thing. i don't know if you can see it, but on her lapel, she's wearing a pin that i believe her mother gave her and it is a replica of george washington's battle flag and it is not an accident that she's wearing it tonight after

that vote tomorrow, which she expects to lose, she believes there is life after leadership and her long game is to take out donald trump. >> certainly if she also quoted a gold star father who apparently reached out to her saying standing up for the truth honors all who gave up all. congresswoman love, as a former republican house member, i'm wondering what you make of what you heard from liz cheney tonight. >> well, i think that she brings up a very good point and reminds not just members of congress but also the american people that when you are a member of congress, you actually take an oath. you raise your hands and you swear to protect the constitution to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. and that's why she talks about duty. she talks about her duty not just to the country, not just to the people who got her to where she is but also her duty to the

american people and to the conference and so she also states i'm not going to sit back and allow this to happen and allow these lies to continue to perpetuate. she also mentions that this is a threat, not just what we're seeing on the surface but when other countries like china see that somebody is out there perpetuating this idea that ele electoral system doesn't work it hurts us nationally and internationally and talking about a greater threat out there that naythey need to see the qu being strong. i think it was actually a very good speech. it was meant for the american people. and she is pretty much laying down the gauntlet saying they are making a choice between the constitution and the person. >> david axelrod, this is a speech that we're well over history, over time this speech

will stand up compared to the coward that so many in the house now have been exhibiting and going along with a lie that by all the reporting, many of them privately don't even believe in but are afraid of not getting elected because many people in the districts have bought into this lie being peddled by other networks and by the former president. >> well, and in fact, anderson, that is symbolized by elise stefanik. she decided to saddle up to trump and became a big defender in the first impeachment trial and published a piece on the day of the insurrection, january 6th, repeating egregious lies about what happened in the election including 140,000 fraud length votes in fulton county

alone. georgia completely if fiction a gave for voting to overturn the election. these people, some of it is out of fear and others see profit in siding with trump. what liz cheney sees is a threat to our democracy by allowing this lie to flourish and yes, her speech may not lead to triumph in the short run but there are a lot of examples inniin i history margaret chase smith taking on joe mccarthy in the 50s when few republicans are willing to do so and others stood up in situations like this and they will be remembered well in history but she, you know, i agree with everything else everyone said. this is fund mental to our democracy and she's quite right liz cheney is a hawk on china. she's a hawk on russia and she

understands what a propaganda triumph it is for them to have a former president leading his party in this direction and she's saying no, she's putting her hand up. she's refusing to go along. >> jamie, i mean, there is a long history of politicians, you know, who have been up to bullies to remain in power and over time they don't usually end up so well, certainly not in the history books. congress woman cheney, what happens to her now and i mean, at the larger picture, you know, for democrats watching and thinking well, this just doesn't really matter much because this is, you know, a battle happening within the republican party. we are a two-party system and we only work as a democracy when those two parties at least function on the basis of reality and one party does not completely believe a lie.

>> from my conversations with her and from some of her colleagues who also think that donald trump is a danger to the country, what they tell me is they're not sure that the republican party can be wrestled back from donald trump. you may remember that jared kushner said trump hijacked the republican party. what several republicans have said to me is it was a party that wanted to be hijacked. so i think your point is well taken in that the question now is list cheney has laid down her marker but can she be effective? can other republicans in effect never trump republicans either

take back the republican party, wrestle it away from trump? right now that doesn't look very likely or are they going to go in a new direction? >> david axelrod, one of our reporters was just giving some background information. i just heard it in my ear that her colleagues fellow lawmakers cleared out of the chamber when she was speaking. only one according to the report i just got. only one remained to even listen to what she was saying. >> very heroic. i think that it's very clear that they've made their decision and as i said at the outset, she's embarrassing them by telling the truth. it's a truth they don't want to hear and they are acting on mass and trying to find comfort and strength by gathering together in opposition to her but it the

truth they're running from. it the truth they don't want to hear. you know, anderson, i would point out kevin mccarthy spoke that truth -- >> i was going to say, it the truth kevin mccarthy himself spoke and lindsey graham who, you know, in the hours after, you know, he fled in terror with everybody else because the mobs going through the halls of congress, you know, he gave a speech saying, you know, his love affair with the president had ended and he was out and he couldn't do it anymore and, you know, he gets yelled at the next day in an airport and all of a sudden he's golfing with the former president again. >> to jamie's point, trump is -- they talk about the big tent. it is a circus tent and he's the ring master right now. he has the whip. they are frightened of him. kevin mccarthy doesn't want donald trump to eninterrupt his ability to be speaker of the house getting majority.

so one week after or maybe less than a week after mccarthy and trump got into a shouting match on january 6th, i guess it was a little later than that, he flies down to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring after donald trump taunted him and refused to send help when insurrectionists were breaking down the doors in the capitol. that is a measure of the control that trump had. liz cheney noted this in her op ed "the washington post" that i'm sure didn't sit well with mccarthy and others. i think he made his decision about her but she is a source of tremendous embarrassment to the leadership of the house and to the members of the house who have pledged their fealty to trump to this horrendous story, this dangerous story about the election. the irony of the whole thing is they say we don't want liz cheney, we don't want to talk about the past. we want to talk about the fau to

-- future but they pledged fealty to somebody who does nothing but talk about the past. they rant about the election and this false story about how he lost the election. that's all he does. and this is the republican party and by throwing liz cheney out, they've made this their identity. >> also, congresswoman love, steve scalise said it's not right or wrong, it's that her focus wasn't right. she was focussing on the wrong things meaning calling out the former president on his dangerous lies and which are leading to the, you know, the breakup or the complete misfunction of the republican party. everybody on the floor tonight was talking about cancel culture. there is no health care program. there is no, you know, they spent so much money under the trump years they have no moral standing to talk about busted

budgets or concern over the deficit or government spending. you know, where is the republican party as a party of ideas, which whether you agree with them or not in the past, they certainly seem to have it in the past. >> yeah, so, you know, this is -- i'm a republican. i believe in fiscal discipline with the government and person responsibility, free markets. i believe in all of those things. and i think that there is so many other republicans that are sitting there looking at this and saying when can we start getting judged based on those policies again? when can we start talking about those policies again? they have actually said look, this is not about protrump anti trump. this is about lost confidence. this is about her inability to keep a message. this is about her inability to unite the party and i -- and i as a colleague a former colleague and a friend of all of these people want to give them the benefit of the doubt but i

have some issues, one, with timing. i also have an issue with the fact that she is -- she doesn't misalign with them on policy and is it just her responsibility by the way as a conference chair to unite the conference? i mean, i think that everyone in leadership actually bears that responsibility but nobody is taking that responsibility. they decided that they wanted to throw her under the bus, and i also would say that there is a cost to all of this. liz cheney is not going to go away. she is going to continue to stand up for what she believes in and as long as she is there and as long as she has a microphone, she's going to be able to -- she's going to say i'm not going to go away. i'm going to continue to talk about this because i believe it threatens the american way of life. >> yeah. mia love, jamie, david axelrod, thank you. moments ago, liz cheney on the house floor. >> today we face a threat america has never seen before, a

former president who provoked a violent attack on this capitol in an effort to steal the election has resumed his aggressive effort to convince americans that the election was stolen from him. he risks insciting further violence. millions of americans have been misled by the former president and heard only his words but not the truth as he continues to undermine our democratic process sewing seeds of doubt about whether democracy really works at all. i am a conservative republican, and the most conservative of conservative principles is reverence for the rule of law. the electoral college has voted more than 60 state and federal courts including multiple judges the former president appointed have rejected his claims. the trump department of justice investigated the former president's claims of wide

spread fraud and found no evidence to support them. the election is over. that is the rule of law. that is our constitutional process. >> i'm joined by a columnist for "the washington post" and former speech writer for the second president. first of all, michael, we'll talk about the party in a second but i'm wondering what you made of her remarks? >> the thing that really struck me as i listened is she's making an argument, talking about the rule of law and points about constitutional self-government. her opponents are not answering any of those arguments. they're not engaging her in a discussion about very important matters. rather, it's just politics as usual. she is saying that the united states is at a hinge point, that this is a choice do we want self-government or want something else?

something that's unknown and untested and unsafe. and so, you know, i wish that there could be a debate between cheney and mcelccarthy but i'm afraid it would be a little one sided. >> it's interesting. jeff zeleny tweeted out ann with cnn said once liz cheney came to the house floor, the republican la lawmakers cleared out. ken buck is the only one watching liz cheney speak according to ann greer of cnn. mia love was talking about what is their message? they don't have a message right now. they are not talking -- as you said, they are not talking about ideas or engaging in debate on the substantive things. they're talking on things which, you know, make for good ratings on fox and other networks, but it's not about, you know, a battle of ideas with democrats

or even within republican party. >> well, trump does not offer a governing vision. he offers it himself and he asked people to believe in him. this is now a party that's really defined not by shared ideas or shared convictions but by shared delusions that are set by trump himself. he wants -- this is a crisis in the republican party. trump wants to determine not just what people think and do, he wants to determine their view as reality itself. he wants people to get rid of their critical judgement in order to accept his total authority. and that is an attack on self-government. that is making our representatives into something that's less than the calling their constitutional calling and i think that that's what cheney is calling them out about. >> by the way, it annie gr.

freedom only survives if we protect it and face a threat america has never seen before. we're a two-party system if one party is not accepting reality and undermining and pledging allegiance to somebody actively undermining the very democratic process, how do we function? >> well, the speaker has to event actually break. i'm not sure it going to breakthrough rbreak through rational discourse.tual. i'm not sure it going to break through ratiotually break. i'm not sure it going to break through ratioually break. i'm not sure it going to break through rational discourse. if americans keep supporting them and they win the house, there is very little for a reason for a party who thinks they're on advance to reform. parties reform when they think they're down. that's what bill clinton did and tony blair did.

these were parties that were down on their luck and there was another approach that was offered and so eventually, i think republicans and others are going to have to say this isn't going to work politicly. that's going to be what breaks the fever. >> i want to play one more thing congress woman cheney said and talk about it. >> i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy. >> what if that fever does not break? what if the republicans win the house in, you know, in the midterms? >> well, this is a terrible danger. we have one party, major party at the national level that is not committed to accept any outcome of legitimate elections.

that's not something that you can tolerate in the long run. that is a recipe for kind of edging towards authoritarian. i think it is a stark choice and she -- you know, i think that's what cheney's contribution was here tonight, major contribution is she put it in a historical context of this is a country deciding on the nature of its own self-government. and the republican party is going to have to play a role in that. >> it's an extraordinary moment in our history and a satterrify moment. >> thank you. we'll continue the conversation in a moment. tina smith joins us and about the fight inside the republican party and later, the family of a black man shot by north carolina deputies last month sees police body cam videos of that shooting. andrew brown junior's family

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don't burn down the duplex. terminix. more on breaking news, liz cheney talking about the assault on truth as the former president continues to spread lies about the election and on the verge of losing her leadership role for calling him out. another moment of questionable truth on the hill today a heated moment on the coronavirus. once again, republican senator rand paul clashed with dr. anthony fauci. senator origins of the virus. here is part of the exchange. >> he has been collaborating with a doctor with the wuhan virology suit. this is funded by the nih.

dr. fauci, do you still support funding of the nih funding of the lab in wuhan? >> senator paul, with all due respect, you're entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever does not now fund gain of function research in the wuhan institute. >> do they find -- >> we do not fund -- >> do you fund dr. barrett's research? >> dr. barrett does not do gain of function research and if it is, it's according to the guidelines and being conducted in north carolina. if you look at the grant, and you look at the progress reports, it is not gain of function despite the fact that people tweet that -- >> so do you -- >> well, joining me now for more prospective, senator tina smith. senator smith, appreciate you joining us. i want to get to what happened at the hearing with dr. fauci.

i would be remiss if i didn't ask you what liz cheney said on the house floor ahead of the certain ouster as gop conference chair tomorrow morning. >> thank you, anderson. i was watching here and i was just struck by how dig fied she was. i suspect if liz cheney and i fill out a political questionnaire, we'd find we disagree on just about everything but we both love our country and to think she's being driven out of leadership of her party because she speaks the truth and tells the truth about the big lie president trump, former president trump continues to push, i think is just such a sad commentary but yet, she was so strong and so didignified, s was speaking to history tonight. >> you were next to dr. fauci in the exchange with senator paul. i want to play a portion of that. >> dr. fauci, what is the impact of conspiracy theories peddled

by senator rand paul and others on americans willingness to take this vaccine? a vaccine that by all accounts is remarkable for its safety and efficacy? >> well, conspiracy theories certainly are not helpful in what we're trying to do. i guess i can say that with some degree of confidence. >> i'm going to -- your -- were you planning to ask that question or was that in relation to what you had just heard from senator paul? >> i mean, i went after senator paul and i'm laughing because dr. fauci is the master of under statement i think in his response to saying that these conspiracy theories are not helpful. no, i was planning on asking a question, which i went to next about what we are learning about how to overcome people's resistance to the virus and taking the virus and success stories in duluth, minnesota.

here you have land paul. his united states senator. he is a physician. he serves on the health committee and he chooses to use his time to peddle these ridiculous conspiracies somehow dr. fauci is responsible for the covid-19 virus. it just such a sad commentary and so completely beneath what the work is that we have to do on the health committee and senate. >> yeah, i mean, he's an eye doctor and would have more respect for medical science. dr. fauci, he later told cnn's dr. sanjay gupta, do you think senators are playing to the cameras? that could certainly be it. the idea fauci is a villain? >> this is not the first time senator paul has done this.

he's done this over and over again. it's his favorite ploy. so i mean, that's the problem here we have dr. fauci who has basically dedicated his life to science, to protecting americans' health and to be like this must get pretty exhausting, i think. but, you know, the point of this, of course, is that we have serious business to do in the health committee. we have variants that are springing up and how do we get to increasing vaccinations uptakes in this country? we have questions how young people are going to be adapting to taking this vaccine now that it's approved for children. so we have serious business to be doing and not just sort of this kind of play to the camera that i think we saw today and we see frankly too often. >> what do you think we do to get more people vaccinated? i mean, whether it's vaccine hesitancy or vaccine issues? >> one thing we're learning in

minnesota and around the country what we might characterize as hesitancy is lack of opportunity. we learned in duluth we put a popup clinic near the transit station and people running from job to home to child care to the grocery store, there it is right where they can get to it easily and conveniently get signed up and get the vaccine and go on their way. they're not he sitant to get th vaccine, they just didn't have the opportunity. that's one thing we're learning. there are lots of reasons why there is a continuation of reasons why people don't get the vaccine but it is -- we can make big headway by going to people where they are with trusted providers. >> we should also point out dr. fauci in his exchange with senator paul did stress he supports further investigations to the origins of covid-19. what more do you want to know about what happened in wuhan? >> i want to understand how this happened and there is an investigation going on right now

so i think that's very, very important. we need to understand from a scientific basis also what happened. but to somehow impugn the credibility of dr. fauci for whatever reason is just completely unacceptable. >> senator tina smith, appreciate your time. tan thank you. >> yeah, thank you. up next, the family of andrew brown junior gets to see police body camera footage of the shooting. what his attorneys are saying about what they saw. [sfx: kids laughing] [sfx: bikes passing] [sfx: fire truck siren] onstar, we see them. okay. mother and child in vehicle. mother is unable to exit the vehicle. injuries are unknown. thank you, onstar. ♪ my son, is he okay? your son's fine. thank you. there was something in the road... it's okay. you're safe now.

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in north carolina, the family of a black man fatally shot by police last month were allowed to watch more body cam videos of the death of the victim. how is the video being described to members of the community, what's the reaction so far? >> reporter: anderson, it was nothing short of extraordinary, just a couple of hours ago when the attorneys for the brown family came out and described what they saw on this body camera footage. since that time protesters have been marching in the street. they've broken up for the night but they were very animated earlier after they heard these accounts.

it was extraordinary, anderson, because it was a polar opposite of the account given by the district attorney several days ago in court. at that day, april 28, in court, he said that andrew brown, quote, made contact with the deputies with his vehicle and only then were shots fired. well, a couple of hours ago the attorneys for the brown family, after having viewed at least 16 minutes of body camera footage and possibly as much as 18 1/2 minutes of this footage, had a completely opposite account of this. they said that at no point in the tape that they viewed about andrew brown make contact with the deputies. in fact they said it was the opposite, the deputies actually made contact with his car first with their hands. they said that when they came upon the scene, andrew brown was sitting there in his car, hands on the wheel, at some point he may have even been on his phone, and that the car only moved after shots were fired, and at no point depots any kind of a threat to the deputies. it was really an extraordinary account. it was very moving. and i have to say that the attorneys had a lot of detail in

their account, that andrew womble did not provide in court several days ago. the attorneys were very specific about what they saw and made a very compelling argument at least to those of white house were gathered there listening to them, that andrew brown did not pose a threat to these deputies. so they went from that to calling for prosecutions, arrests, jail sentences for the three deputies who did the shooting. they're also repeating their calls tonight for the district attorney, andrew womble, to recuse himself from the case because they argue he works much too closely with the sheriff's department in this building behind me, with the deputies involved here, and that he cannot possibly conduct this case, this investigation and any trials, in any kind of an objective way. andrew womble steadfastly still tonight refusing to recuse himself, anderson. >> brian todd, appreciate that. i want to speak to the attorneys now, joining me now, two attorneys for the family of andrew brown jr., harry daniels

and chance lynch. mr. lynch, you were able to view the body cam footage today with the brown family. could you explain what you saw? >> absolutely, anderson. first, thanks for having us. today was an emotional day. i was able to view the footage with two of mr. brown's sons. and it was very clear to us, we went through six videos. one was the dash cam of one of the vehicles, and then five body cam videos that we were able to watch. >> from different officers, different vantage points? >> that's right, anderson, different vantage points. still, even with the body cams, as you can imagine, we were only able to see what their bodies were actually facing. and so we were limited to be able to see all of the surroundings. of course you've got to remember, anderson, that their faces were redacted, the

presiding judge ordered that some of that would be redacted, so we didn't get to see any faces. we were able to see weapons. and we were absolutely able to see mr. brown sitting in his car, afraid. the look on his face, he was terrified, and was in shock when they arrived on the scene. and once a gunshot was fired, the car backed in reverse. he turned his wheel and began to travel away from the police officers that were on the scene. and as he traveled across the grass in his yard, they unloaded their weapons. subsequently a shot to the back of his head, when he crossed the street and crashed into a tree in his neighbor's yard. >> the first shot, was it clear to you when that was fired in terms of the overall time of this -- from them first getting

there, why the first shot was fired and who shot it? >> anderson, that's a really good question. when they got on the scene, there was so much chaos going on. they were yelling different things. some were saying "hands up." others were saying "get out of the car." the commands were very unclear. you could see mr. brown's hands at all times. it appears that in one vantage point, he may have been holding his phone, his right hand, if i'm not mistaken, was on the steering wheel. so his hands were seen the entire time. never at any vantage point that we see where mr. brown was a threat to the police. >> and just to be clear, the district attorney said when officers approached and attempted to open a door of mr. brown's car, the vehicle backed up and made contact with them, stopped, made contact again. did you see that? >> anderson, i'm not sure, i

said this earlier during the press conference, i'm not sure what video the district attorney is talking about. all that i can tell you is this. they chose the footage we would get to see today. they chose the images that we would get to see. they also chose the evidence that they would redact. now, what we saw today was clear. when mr. brown put his car in reverse, there were no officers behind his car. now, there were two officers that it appears that they were both reaching out at the same time to attempt to grab maybe the door handle. that shot was fired, and when mr. brown began to go backwards, they may have been reaching out toward mr. brown. but mr. brown never caused or operated his vehicle to go towards an officer. so i'm not sure what he's talking about. >> when the first shot was

fired, how close was it fired? it was fired i assume at mr. brown? or what did you see? >> absolutely, you could see the -- you could hear the shot, and then you could see the bullet hole go in the front of the windshield. at that point, mr. brown goes -- puts his car in reverse and he goes backward. >> was he hit? was he hit by that first shot, do you know? >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure if he was hit by that first shot or not. he was able to try to get away. it was clear on his face that he was afraid for his life and he was trying to get away from the ambush and those officers that were present. and when he drove away, anderson, i think one of the things that's very important here, is when he was driving away, there is a section of land where there is pavement for the cars to park. he had crossed that pavement, driving across the yard, and the

officers stopped midway of that pavement and began to unload their weapons. so many shots were fired that we found great difficulty to be able to count the number of shots. >> anderson, i stated before that the term "fleeing" was used initially. it is clear that mr. brown was trying to save his own life. if the officers get on scene and immediately start shooting mr. brown, he's not doing anything to cause a threat, one would think, they are there to kill me and i need to get away. they were there. they shot at him. he tried to save his life and they in fact killed him. >> where do things stand on the video actually being released to the public? do you guys know? >> well, the position -- north carolina law is currently in legislature, in session, trying to get body cams made public. i know they're moving in that direction pretty rapidly, it's a bipartisan effort. however the family, we are

making our own petition for the release of the videos, the full videos, no redaction, to be released to us and the family has an overarching, compelling reason to get those videos. that petition will be filed. i do know that we will move fairly quickly on that matter to go before the court to make our arguments to get the videos released. >> harry daniels, chance lynch, i really appreciate your time. we'll continue to keep following this. i appreciate it. still a lot of questions unanswered. we end tonight with republican reaction to our breaking news on liz cheney's speech on the house floor ahead of a vote likely to oust her from republican leadership. cheney says she will not go quietly, that she will continue to talk about the former president's lies and she says the party is abandoning the rule of law. moments ago a republican congressman who supported cheney's stand, adam kinzinger of illinois, tweeted, this is leadership, this is integrity, this is liz cheney and i'm damn proud to support her. that vote is expected tomorrow morning. we'll cover that, of course.

the news continues. i'll hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> this is a very important night. it's a pivotal night and we'll see which way it takes us. but the choices are pretty clear and the determination of one side of the aisle is more clear than ever. appreciate the coverage, anderson. it's important to share this night with you. i'm privileged to be here. i'm counthris cuomo, welcom "prime time." you'll have to remember tonight. tonight we witnessed the moment that the gop decided to turn its back on self-government and to become something less than that. we don't know what yet. liz cheney gave a speech tonight in defense not simply of her own fate as number three in the leadership, but the fate of her party and in a larger sense our way of life. now, be clear. i'm sure the media will