i appreciate your time covering this crucial story on the ground. as i said in jerusalem tonight and thanks to all of you for joining us. you can watch "out fronfront "a time. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. there hasn't been a day in vent memory when the entire charade of what is happening within the leadership of the republican party was laid so bear in three separate events, all of them happening in roughly a one mile radius of each other. the first to oust liz cheney and of course a lies by the former president and for weeks, the republicans insisted that's why she lost the leadership but position but something else, making sure everybody was on the same page. hours after cheney lost her position at a house oversight hearing on the january 6th

insurrection, that same page was on full display. >> there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection is a boldface lie. watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through the hall showed people in an orderly fashion showing ropes taking videos of pictures. if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> out right propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national security state against law-abiding u.s. citizens especially trump voters. as a result the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> when i see this sheet on a timeline and on the, let's see, okay, at 2:07 a mob of trump supporters reached the steps

that is trump supporters and had the media saying the same thing and fire extinguisher which he was not but i don't know who did the poll supporters. >> those are actually members of congress. and just to assure you that you're not going crazy that you did actually see what you remember seeing that day we're going to play all that again next to what actually happened at the capitol. >> there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a boldface lie. watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through the hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stations and ropes taking videos and pictures. if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january the 6th. you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.

>> out right propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the secure state against law-abiding citizens. the d ooj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it was supporters that lost their lives that day, not trump supporters taking the lives of others. >> when i see this sheet on the timeline and on the -- let's see, okay, at 2:07 a mob of trump supporters broaeached the steps, i don't know who did a poll that is tlumrump supporter. you had the media saying the same thing like officer sicknick was killed with a fire extinguisher but he was not. i don't know who did the poll to say they were trump supporters. >> these people are completely without shame. perhaps these members of congress should read a letter that a d.c. police officer wrote

to all of them last week. it was shared by republican congressman adam kinzinger. here is how that police officer describes the day. i was pulled out into the crowd away from my fellow officers, beaten with metal fists and stripped of my issued badge, radio, ammunition and magazine and electrocuted naumerous time that day. as this happened, republican democratic leaders were meeting with president biden about whether compromise was possible on infrastructure including kevin mccarthy who succeeded in pushing congresswoman cheney out of her leadership position. there he was with a straight face after having pushed her out for saying there was no election fraud after having himself questioned the legitimacy of the election not believing president biden won enough votes to win the presidency according to this poll from april. this meeting was going on as

that hearing we showed you e earlier was blowing up and leaders exited and spoke with reporters and we want to give you the timing after that first congressman you hear claim the justice department is going after peaceful patriots and less than 20 minutes before that second one would claim there was quote no insurrection, mccarthy responded to a question about the cheney vote this way. >> i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. i think that is all over with. >> he says no one is questioning the legitimacy of the election, that's all over with? that is exactly what republicans are doing. and first, when you question facts about the january 6th riot, you're supporting rioters who question the legitimacy of the presidential election so yeah, republicans are still doing that and not only that and this is really the person who mccarthy is supporting to take cheney's place, elyce stefanik she herself after being a moderate republican for most of

her life apparently or at least her political career, she's totally on board e requesting t the legitimacy of the election. here is what she said about the audit and i use that term extremely loosely hoping to show massive voter fraud. >> i fully support the audit in arizona. we want transparency and answers for the american people. what are the democrats so afraid of? the voters in arizona and the state senate in arizona pursued this audit. i fully support it. transparency is a good thing. we need to fix these election security issues going into the future. >> these election security issues. other than, you know, russian attempts at hacking, there is not election security issues in the sense she's talking about. there is not wide spread voter fraud. today congresswoman stepfanik said i stand by my statements there are serious issues related

to voting eirregularities. it would be easy to say maybe kevin mccarthy didn't know that about ms. stefanik but he does and the saddest part is it clearly doesn't matter. perspective from conservative attorney who very publicly opposed the former president george conway. george, i mean, i'm kind of -- i don't know why i'm flabber galsedded after all this time but nobody is questioning the legitimacy of this election, does that make any sense to you? >> not at all. he visited a guy in mar-a-lago, florida at mar-a-lago resort in florida who basically has been doing nothing but issuing statements for the last several weeks challenging the results of the election and claiming -- >> not just issuing statements. he's interrupting people's weddings and speaking at b banquets about this. he'll do anything where he can talk about this. >> no, it's gotten to be completely absurd and this is

what we're talking about many k car though, mccarthy knows better. on january 16th, the day that i time around, he was only the floor of the house and said that the bore responsibility for what happened on january 6th because he was making false statements about the election and that the trump should be sanctioned and they are trying to memory hole everything that's happened. they're trying to memory hole what happened on january 6th and, you know, he completely -- they're getting rid of lynn cheney -- excuse me, liz cheney because she won't let them do that and there is good reason for her not to let them do that. you saw that poll that you just posted that 70% of republicans believe the election was stolen and that is just incredible amount of deception that has been successful. and it's unhealthy for our democracy and liz cheney has been saying some things that are

absolutely should absolutely be totally unobjectionable and uncontroversial that the election wasn't stolen and joe biden was legitimately elected and to say otherwise and to perpetuate these lies and not to contradict these lies is da dangerous to our democracy. >> to hear these congress men, o base themselves with these lies, i mean, the republican party used to consider themselves, the former president considers himself the law and order president and a big supporter of police officers, i mean, these congress people who probably claim they are big supporters of law enforcement, as well. i mean, they're pretending that law enforcement was not being attacked by the president's, the former president's supporters at the capitol that day. i mean, they are -- i mean, it's just shameless what they are doing.

they are trying to rewrite history of what happened and it is the taking a -- it's a page from the playbook of the former president. you repeat a lie enough and people start to believe it. >> absolutely. it's just a complete and utter disgrace. these people all know better. they lived through this. and they saw the violence up close. they were the ones who had to hide in the basement of the capitol building out of fear of being assaulted and for them to pretend it didn't happen and that these people who were breaking and entering and assaulting police officers were simply acting like normal tourists on a walk on the malls just too much to bear. >> i also didn't see any of these republican congressmen, you know, standing with police officers on the day of the insurrection and saying you know what? no, i'm not going to go and be escorted to a secure location. i'm going to go -- because this isn't so bad, i'm going to stand

with the police officers and talk to these people that are just orderly me ly walking arou capitol. it embarrassing and just, i don't know, i just -- >> right. >> again, i don't -- >> and they did that precisely because they were in danger. they knew that their best place for them for a best chance for them to not be assaulted and not be hurt was to hide. and they expected the police to protect them. it's just remarkable. >> you're joining more than so 0 form -- 100 republican officials saying the party doesn't break with the former president and there may be cause for a break away conservative party. is that the only kind of solution? do you still hold out hope for the republican party? >> i frankly don't hold much hope in it current form after everything that we seen over the past several weeks. the big lie has taken hold. the desire to adhere to the big lie not just by members of

congress and by the former president but by individual members of the republican party throughout the nation is increasingly disturbing. that said, the fact remains that a significant, too many people believe in the big lie but not enough people for the republican party to be successful in its new iteration. you put that poll up just a few minutes ago showing that 23% of republicans don't believe in the big lie. that's a big number. and that's a big number because the republicans have very, very little margin for errors. they haven't won. they have only won the popular vote in a presidential election once in the last 30 years. they lost the last -- trump lost the last presidential election popular vote by 7 million votes. he lost the house. he lost the senate and it's just, you know, they have very little margin for error. they need to hold onto the voters who would in a normal situation want to vote for them.

for people who want lower taxes and certain kinds of judges, judges who by the way voted overwhelmingly last winter to reject trump's ridiculous claims about voter fraud. you know, there needs to be a home for these people and i think that's what this new group is trying to do. i don't think i would characterize it so much as a third party as a coalition. i don't think a third party really necessarily works in the kind of political system we have with a single member district and first pass voting but there is a need for people who have a co consecutive to moderate point of view and they need to place to go and support candidates consistent with that. >> appreciate your time. tan thank you. >> thank you. >> liz cheney just gave her first interview and what tchene

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moments ago liz cheney gave her first interview discussing at one point her few neuroin the pa party. >> are you the leader of opposition and exile in the republican party. >> i intend to be one of the leaders in a fight to help restore our party and bring our party back to substance and principles and in a fight to make clear we won't participate in a really dangerous effort that's underway. >> a lot of people frame this as a battle for the soul of the republican party. >> this is i think the opening salvo in that battle. >> she had words for the leader of the house republican kevin mccarthy. >> i think that he is not

leading with principle right now. >> well, far right members of congress also had words for cheney mocking her on social media. congressman matt gaetz said liz cheney is the masked head for the establishment in d.c. and one tweeted good-bye liz cheney and lauren tweeted liz cheney is the gop of the past, we're not going back. joined by co-anchor of "state of the union" dana bash and john king. dana where does liz cheney go from here? she's not a moderate that will switch parties. she's a diehard conservative more so than the person that will replace her. what happens to her? >> she is going to be out there according to what she has said and people around her have said trying to from her prospective save the republican party and put it back where she believes it should be as you said.

somebody who believes that it should be based on conservative values whether it's social conservatism or fiscal or more specifically as she said in a number of statements now, conservative values that followed the basic rule of law and that really is what she and the very small band of supporters that she has in the house and elsewhere scattered around the country in her party believe, and, you know, it really is the question was is it a battle for the soul of the republican party? the answer is yes, it is. ist it's broader than that. it a battle for democracy because they need a viable two-party system at the very least to work. >> and john, i mean, when kevin mccarthy says no one is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election, i mean, does he have any priority

beyond keeping trump supporters happy so they will back him for speaker some day? isn't that -- i don't hear him coming up with a health care policy. >> he believes republicans there are republicans with policies but liz cheney is right it gets all the policy disagreements they would like to have get overshadowed by this because what kevin mccarthy did today is walked out of the white house, he has done this in the quite capitol now with another temple of american democracy behind him, he lied again. steps out of the meeting and nobody is talking about illegitimate si oof the electio. had four of them. these are statements the last couple weeks from donald j trump, former president of the quite questioning the legitimacy of the election. these three are from six days ago including one questioning the results of new hampshire. this is from two days ago questioning the results in the state of michigan. the state joe biden won by 154,000 votes. not only is he still questioning

the election, listen to this. listen to this. all republicans must unify and not let this happen. if a thief robs a jewelry store of diamonds, he puts in parenthesis, the 2020 election, the diamonds must be returned. he doesn't just question the election but wants to be made president if you read this statement and kevin mccarthy says nobody is talking about this and kevin mccarthy is now supports because trump told him to, elise stefanik. she still promotes the big lie. dan's point is important. it oversized toddler that keeps saying things that are ridiculous embracing this lie that gets what the party is about, the rule of law and constitution. they took an oath to deend if the constitution. they had the process and rule of law in the court cases and lost. they need to give it up but they won't. >> yeah, dana, it is against everything the republican party

or conservatives certainly claim that they believed in. i mean, forget about the whole family values thing that used to run on before supporting the former president but, you know, fiscal responsibility, you know, actual patriotism, support of troops and law enforcement, you know, foreign policy. it is unrecognizable. >> they are because it's not about policy right now. it about the personality and about lies and the way that leader mccarthy and other top republicans are trying to twist themselves into pretzels is trying to argue well, liz cheney needs to be gone from leadership because when she's there she's talking about this too much and therefore that endangers or p moderate republicans who income bents or well suited to

be democrats to get the house back and really hurts us instead of saying, you know, no, she's just answering questions that are asked and she is trying to stand by, you know, fundamentals of again of truth. so that is when you asked about whether or not it's power, the answer is yes because they are looking at this in a very specific calculate way about how to find the path back to the majority and that path goes through not around but through donald trump and how he reacts or acts vis-a-vis his candidates. >> john, is the path for them, is the plan for the gop basically have the former president run again and pass as many restrictive voter laws so that there is not a lot of mail in ballots and a repeat of how people are able to vote which was an awesome turnout both for republicans and for democrats? >> there are many of these same

republicans anderson who would tell you privately they hope trump goes away and he's not good for the party in the long run and they hope something goes away or takes him off the ballot for 2024. in his first midterm, barack obama lost 63 seats in the house of representatives. donald trump lost 40 seats in the house of representatives. joe biden can only afford to lose a hand full and kevin mccarthy thinks if i break now, i can't be speaker. if i stick with trump, maybe i can be speaker, then i'll worry about everything else. >> wow, john king, dana bash, thanks very muchme. appreciate it. the threat of domestic extremist groups as many republicans try to turn history on its head in the aftermath of the capitol attack. blah ♪ ♪ run with us, because the best job is the one that's easily done. nothing runs like a deere. search john deere z365r for more.

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showed people in orderly fashion between the ropes taking pictures and videos. if you didn't know the footage was from january 6th. you would think it's a normal tourist visit. >> out right propaganda and lies are being used against law-abiding u.s. citizens, especially trump voters. as a result, the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it was trump supporter who lost their lives that day, not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> when i see this sheet on our timeline and on the, let's see, okay, at 2:07 a mob of trump supporters breached the steps. i don't know who did a poll that is trump supporters you had the media saying the same thing just like you had the media saying officer sicknick was killed with a fire extinguisher, which he

was not. i don't know who did the poll to say they were trump supporters. >> rhetoric like that goes hand and hand with the rise of extremist groups across the country and today senior biden administration officials said when words turn to violence, those acts can be the most dangerous crimes we confront as a society. joined by connecticut senator chris murphy at that senate hearing today. senator murphy, appreciate you being with us. you were in the capitol january 6th. what do you say to your republican colleagues we just played that are not just continuing to requwrite history but coming up with ways to rewrite the history of that awful day. >> yeah, i mean, this is nuclear grade bananas. the fact that they think they can rewrite the absolutely 100% crystal clear history of that day, remember, they came to the capitol with a very specific mission. they weren't engaged in some general protest that went wrong. they came to the capitol on the

day of the certification of joe biden's win to stop that certification. they were breaking into the capitol looking for members of congress going straight to the house and the senate chamber in order to try to stop joe biden from becoming president to try to frustrate that count from being completed so they could keep donald trump in office despite the fact he lost the election. they were carrying donald trump flags. they were chanting his name. they were following his instructions, and the fact that republicans have constructed this alternative reality they were tourists taking a look at the pretty statutes and portraits in the halls of the capitol is just frightening. it's frightening and what we know from our hearing today is that, you know, that threat has not dissipated and the primary threat to the security of the quite today and to the u.s. capitol remains these domestic extremist groups, many of which

were part and parcel of the insurrection on january 6th. >> and do you think your republican colleagues believe that domestic extremism is actually a concern? because again, if, you know, it's one thing if everybody has some sort of sense of what the big threat is but if half of the government doesn't believe it, that's worrying. >> yeah, listen, i worry republicans are not taking this seriously and i think i have reason to worry. today at our hearing in the senate, the ranking republican on our committee started his remarks by trying to claim that the primary security threat to the united states was the southern border. a fact that is contradicted by our witnesses today who explained how, you know, terrorist groups are not using the southern border to try to breach the united states' defenses. in fact, the terrorist groups

have enough recruits coming from the ranks of american citizens to present a serious security threat so it's pretty clear that republicans right now understand that the majority of their party believes donald trump's lie about the election increasingly believes this fiction about the nature of january 6th and in order to retain power within their party, they have to follow in line behind that lie and distract the american public to make them believe the primary threat to the united states are ing immigrants rather than domestic terrorist groups. >> the homeland security told congress today the white supremacy extremists are the most lethal threat to the country and garland said quote i've not seen a more dangerous threat to democracy than the invasion of the capitol. the republican senators, i mean, they're obviously seemed like they're just refusing to believe

this. what is to be done? do you feel like the arm of justice, the fbi are focused on this issue? >> well, they are. there is no doubt that law enforcement is focused on this issue. i guess what really worries me is what would happen if republicans return to power? would happen if they won the white house four years from now or eight years from now? would they essentially neuter law enforcement and tell them to stand down against these domestic extremist groups, these militias? really worries me is not what is going to happen over the next four years because joe biden's fbi and justice department will go after these extremists. what worries me as this denial of reality, this sort of embrace in someways of domestic terrorist groups occurs within some elements of the republican party, it may ultimately affect the decisions that the next republican president makes.

>> just lastly, cnn is reporting the colonial pipeline looks like it will come back online without having to pay the ransom. every time something like this happens, it's labeled a wakeup call. not much seems to change. what do you think it will take and what lessons can we take from an attack likeland ransom ware attacks? >> we don't have the fealty to best practices in the private sector in the energy sector. the private industry is resistant to enforceable government standards around cyber security. the measures they implement to protect themselves against ransom ware are voluntarily and clearly not enough of these companies are taking it seriously. second, these companies are not sharing enough data with the federal government. the federal government needs to collect the information that exists about threats so they can then try to pass along best

practices to the indindustry. so we have to have more cooperation between the private and up manypublic sector and ha take a look for critical infrastructure like pipelines because the private sector doesn't seem to be doing enough by themselves. >> yeah, senator chris murphy, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks. got breaking news next as lines for gas grow in parts of the southeast what the colonial pipeline is saying about a restart and demand for currency to return to normalcy. that when we return. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection.

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breaking news tonight on that cyber attack that halted operations of a pipeline causing gasoline pipeline causing shortages throughout the southeast. it restarted operations but will take several days to get things back up to speed and details about the ransom demanded by the hackers who caused the shutdown. cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez has more. the pipeline up and running without paying the ransom? >> they did. the group known as dark side the cyber attackers that were trying to hold ransom was demanding as much as $5 million, nearly $5 million in bitcoin. cyber -- sorry, crypto currency

to unlock some of the data. the issue is that the company with the help of some cybersecurity professionals and the government were able to get back some of that data before the hackers were able to lock it away and it appears that the company won't have to pay the ransom in order to reconstitute some of the computer systems. it still a work in progress but they were able to turn back on the pipeline without paying the ransom. >> you're learning why colonial decided to proactively shut down the pipeline upon learning about the attack. >> right. initially it seemed like the attackers, the hackers were able to get to the systems that control the pipeline but it turns out what really happened according to sources we talked to is the company was concerned the billing system essentially were compromised and would not be able to figure out how to get payment for the fuel it was

sending to customers. it wouldn't be able to figure out how to get paid. it was more financial concern than safety of the pipeline that prompted them to shut down the systems. now we asked the company about this. they said essentially that, you know, this was an effort to contain the threat and they took down everything just to make sure that they could contain the cyber attack but again, because of the way how this was done, you see the gas lines around the south and it's all because of the way the company handled the initial shutdown. >> evan perez, appreciate the reporting. the growing lines for gas throughout some locations with stations saying they are flat out of fuel, local officials are blaming panic buying with drivers worried about the cyber attack. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: an on unseasonably cool day in georgia, unreasonably long line to get gas. more than 100 cars vying to get

to the 12 pumps at this costco gas station in sandy springs, georgia but at least it open. here in georgia and states including virginia, north carolina, south carolina and florida, many cities saw more than 70% of the gas stations without gas because of panic buying. gregory harris is driving his truck through georgia. >> everybody is in the frenzy and we drive trucks and our boss said we need to make sure we have a half a tank so it's just crazy right now, man. got to pray and just bring love back. just crazy out here right now, sir. >> reporter: and this from a gas station employee in charlotte, north carolina. >> it's like the coronavirus. you know how when the coronavirus starts to hit and everybody started stocking up on toilet paper and paper towels, this is just like that and everybody is stocking up on gas. they don't know when they going to get gas next time. >> reporter: images of people hoarding gas rocketing around the internet like this from north carolina prompting pleas from leaders like north carolina's attorney general who tweeted in part please do not horde. let's not have a run on gas like

we did on toilet paper last year. and from industry experts. >> park your car, alleviate the situation, leave the fuel to those that absolutely need it. >> reporter: but this gas customer in virginia is worried. >> i mean, it's a little scary that somebody can tap into our system and kind of cause this ripple effect. >> reporter: meanwhile, the prices of the gas are being pumped up. at some stations like this one in virginia to ridiculous amounts. compare this to one of the prices we saw exactly a year ago. near the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. >> i had a half a tank of gas so when it got to $25, i started looking to see what was going on and after i got to $30, i was like oh my god. >> reporter: prices are sky high. supplies at many stations in the southeast are exceedingly low but countless motorists like this woman in tallahassee, florida have the same thing to say. >> you don't want to miss out. you don't want to be the one that doesn't get gas. >> gary are motorists aware the

pipeline is starting to reopen? >> reporter: yeah, i've been telling people, anderson. they're happy to hear that but it doesn't help people that are desperate for gas tonight that have nothing in their tanks but something extraordinarily is happening. i drove 25 miles past 20 gas stations, every single one of them shut down out of gas. i found this place, this velero. only four pumps here and right now there is a line of at least 50 cars that goes down this very busy street. this iis holcomb bridge road. this is a traffic lane, not anymore, this is the lane to get the gasoline. the man that runs it said he could run out of gas at any time. these people will be angry if they do run out. that costco gas station i talked to you about in the beginning of the story that had about 100 cars waiting for 12 pumps, well, that shut down about two and a half hours ago.

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another potential step towards normalcy. some states will offer the pfizer covid vaccine for 12 to 16 years old. they recommend two shots after an advisory board voted with one recusal in favor of expanding the vaccine. dr. sanjay gupta joins us with more. how did the cdc's advisory commit tee come to the conclusin and what are the itmplications? >> they looked at the data. there is trial data a few thousand children found there were no significant adverse events when people got this vaccine. nothing like the an aphylactic e heard with the adults. very safe and effective. in the placebo group, 18 people got sick, severely ill, nobody

in the vaccinated group. there is benefit, as well. one thing to point out is i want to show you this graphic. you remember h1n1 in 2009 to give context here. that was a virus that primarily affected younger people. so yellow is covid, blue is h1n1 back from 2009. take a look. the point here is that hospitalizations from covid even among this age group are greater than they were with h1n1, which was something that of obviously we took seriously. you had it. >> i did, too. >> we were with the marines in afghanistan. last week the cdc warned that childhood vaccinations for other infectious diseases plunged since the start of the pandemic for the first time today u, an expert from the cdc said it's okay to receive more than one vaccine at once. is that a big deal? will that help parents, the idea you can give multiple vaccines at once? >> yeah, i think

>> yeah, i think so. this is an interesting point. at the beginning of the vaccine rollout, the general guidance was wait at least 14 days until you get another kind of vaccine, we don't know what the adverse effects will be. take a look at what has happened over a year. we've seen drops in all sorts of different vaccination rates among young people. tetanus, diphtheria, per does dis, hvp, meningo coccal. that's a problem, these are preventible diseases. 12 to 15 year olds are going to be going in to get their shot. if they qualify for one of these vaccines at the same time, they can get it at the same time since they're going to be at the doctor's anyway. >> some adults have had side effects after being vaccinated, is there any reason to believe kids in this age group won't experience the same? >> no, i think you have to anticipate there will be a lot of the same sorts of side effects among the 12 to 15-year-olds as you saw among adults. we could show you. they broke this down to show

what percentage of kids got the various side effects. oftentimes it was greater among the 12 to 15-year-olds versus the 16-plus. soreness, for example, occurred in 91% of 12 to 15-year-olds. i think closer to 70% of 16 plus year olds. here's the way to think about it. the stronger your immune system, probably the more significant side effects. you are stimulating the immune system. older people, anderson, for example, tended to have fewer side effects. 12 to 15-year-olds, slightly more than 16 plus year olds. >> one of the points made during the call with the advisoryky today, they don't fully know the development of mental health impacts this past year has had on kids. i'm wondering your take on that. is it just a question of it hasn't been studied enough? i think people can -- families can kind of see what kind of an impact it's had. >> yeah, that was quite striking. about half of -- in the surveys, half of parents say their children's mental health is worse now than at the beginning

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jamaica. heartbeat of the world. let's go. plenty of political drama these days. if you want to escape to reality, jake tapper has written a new novel, a sequel to "the hellfire club." it's called "the devil may dance." congratulations. there was an amazing review of the book, jenna mass lin, "the new york times." i feel like it's a movie waiting to happen. it's got bobby kennedy, frank sinatra, sammy davis jr., a fascinating period in american history in the 1960s. your last book was in the '50s with the same setup, the same characters. the martyrs. extreme how you decided to move it into the 1960s and the plot is really intricate and interesting. >> well, it's based on and

inspired by a real story, which as soon as i heard the story, as soon as i read it, i thought, oh, this has to be the second book. which is obviously sinatra and the rat pack did everything they could to help get jfk elected in 1960. and in preparation for a presidential trip to california, sinatra, in real life, had his rancho mirage estate, the compound, built up and -- in preparation for a presidential visit. rooms added, telephone lines, a helipad built. at the same time, attorney general robert kennedy had real misgivings, because he was going after organized crime. including a very horrific mobster named sam giancana, who he'd fought with publicly, and he was buddies with sinatra. it became a real-life situation where bobby kennedy is saying, i don't know if i can have my brother stay there. that premise is real, and i said, why don't we have bobby

kennedy take my fictitious characters and have them go out and investigate. >> the research must have been incredibly fun. because you have conversations between -- public conversations in nightclubs with sammy davis jr. which are kind of stunning. >> yeah, i mean -- a lot of the real-that's in this book is just as shocking along the stuff that i made up, in terms of the actual conversations that took place by the mobsters, in terms of the way that the -- how really racist and awful the rat pack could be about each other in public, jokingly. so -- one of the things janet maslin noted in her review is i have a vegas show, you think wow, this is awful. i just took it from an actual vegas show. those were actually the joke that is they made at the time. >> and it underscores not only the racism but the sexism that was prevalent at the time. >> yeah, and that -- one of the

things while writing this book that i decided to do was with "me too" and hollywood and how women are treated in entertainment, to tell the truth about what happened with women in the business in 1961, 1962. it's really not all that different from what you read about today in terms of how women are regarded, in terms of the way that stars and directors treat them. there's a lot of the resonance to what life is actually like now, still, unfortunately. >> you also explore the relationship between frank sinatra and john f. kennedy. did you learn anything new about their relationship while writing the book? >> yeah, i did. which, i think, just based on reading a lot of biographies of sinatra, including one by his valet, george jacobs -- i think that john f. kennedy really broke sinatra's heart. it was platonic, but i think he really was infatuated with john

f. kennedy. i think that's one of the reasons why, years later, you have frank sinatra, who was legitimately ahead of his time when it cams to the crusade for civil rights. he did a lot of really good things, sinatra, in the '40s and '50s and '60s for african-americans. but by 1980, he's a republican, campaigning with reagan. i think he really shifted. i think part of that is this essentially breakup with john f. kennedy. >> jake, congratulations. "the devil may dance" is the book. that's it for us. the news continues with "cuomo prime time." i am chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." this may be our moment of truth in terms of our political future, near-term future. but be very clear. put all the high-minded thoughts away. this may be the moment of truth, but it is not about the truth. and it never has been. the republicans wh