calls like that at the moment seem to be falling on deaf ears. we know that the israelis have made it clear they have objectives in gaza that they want to achieve and they are going to go ahead with their operation until they achieve it. now, we've heard that in previous instances when gaza and israel went to war, when israel and hezbollah and lebanon went to war, but oftentimes those objectives are not achieved and, therefore, this is one of the reasons why this is the fourth war we've covered in gaza since 2008. on the palestinian side, they also -- they clearly are hoping for some sort of cessation of hostilities, but at the moment there doesn't seem to be any effort that's gaining traction to bring this fighting to a close, anderson. >> ben wedeman, we careful.

let's hand it over to chris. >> have a good weekend. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." so will the great unmasking announced by the cdc get more people to vaccinate? we're going to have to see, especially now as dr. fauci made in both directions. at least 18 states have lifted or will be lifting pandemic mandates after the cdc's shift. among them, minnesota. but minnesota's twin cities, minneapolis and st. paul have

not lifted their restrictions so they're going to remain. remember, you have state, but you also have local. there will be some fights. remember, why would there be any disconnect? well, it's about confidence, but also competence. there's no federal mechanism to check vax status. many states don't have their own mechanism. so enforcement is an unknown for states, localities, businesses, and we see that reflected in the uneven responses. many big chain retailers, target, home depot, starbucks, leaving policies unchanged. but huge changes at the largest retailer in the country, walmart, no longer requiring vaccinated shoppers and workers to wear masks except in municipalities that require them. same as costco, trader joe's, not requiring their customers to wear masks anymore. the unvaccinated are still being encouraged to. but proof won't be required. see, it's easy to see who is

wearing a mask, right? because either you got it or you don't. but if you don't have one on, how would you ever know that the person is vaccinated? i guess they could tell you. would you believe them? so will all the unvaccinated just ditch their masks now? no one will be able to tell the difference. now, where i live, i saw a lot fewer masks. even in stores where a mask is still required. all those folks vaccinated, seemed like well over the half of the percentage that is supposedly fully vaccinated in new york where i live. did the cdc just make it more or less likely that people will get immunized? free beer, doughnuts. maybe it's not enough to lure americans to get a shot if they don't need it. but what about a million big ones? that's what ohio's governor is banking on, a lottery that his state is about to hold to speed up the pace of vaccinations. let's bring him in on a friday night. republican governor mike dewine joins us.

good to see you, gov. >> good to be back, chris. good to see you. >> so let's talk about the mode here. instead of jumping into the negative, let's start with the positive. why are you doing this? why do you like it? >> chris, the game now is all about vaccination. we have 42% of the people in the state who are vaccinated. we've got 37% who are fully vaccinated. we're doing pretty well, but we really have to do more. we've got to continue to do this. every time we get someone vaccinated we move them over here and they can't spread it. they can't get it. they're safe. and what really we have now is two countries. we have the people who are vaccinated and the people who are not vaccinated. and the people who are not vaccinated, as you know, we have a variant. and it is more contagious than what we've seen in the past. so we've got to move as many people over to get them vaccinated as we can.

we have traveled around, been to 40 different vaccination sites and we just talk to people and try to figure out why are you getting vaccinated, maybe why did you hold back? and here's the conclusion. 42% of ohioans are vaccinated. they wanted it. you've got other people over here who clearly are not ever going to get vaccinated and that's fine. we have to respect that and we do respect that. but you've got the persuadables. you've got people who for any number of reasons just haven't got around to it, wasn't a huge priority, but, you know, they will do it. i mean we've talked to people who -- we talked to a guy the other day in cincinnati, and i said, hey, how come you came in? he said my son brought me in. called me up and said come on, dad, time to go do it. i came. we're allowing walk-ins now, as you know, chris.

it's getting those people at the margin in. and i think that people are motivated by the -- some people at least by the opportunity to win a million dollars. it's better odds than most lotteries are and we've already started to see -- we can't really measure it yet but anecdotally today, we were getting reports from health departments and they said, yeah, people are coming in here and talking about it. they say that's why i came in. >> i don't really care about whether or not this is legal. i know the state a.g. has been looking at it and who's supposed to run a lottery and what it's supposed to be about. i don't really think that's the issue so i'm not going to waste time on that. there's no question that money matters. we saw in some polling from ucla, if i gave you $25 are you more likely? yes. $50 more likely? >> $100, even more likely? yes. now, here's the pushback, it's on two levels. gov, i got it, where's my million bucks, where's my chance? where are you punishing me by rewarding people too stupid to

get the vaccine. >> everybody gets to play. if you got the vaccine the first day, you're in. >> so everybody is in, it's not just the people who haven't gotten it yet. >> no. everybody who's got the vaccine up until the time that we do the drawing basically, the first drawing, we're doing five, so we're doing one in 12 days and then every week, five separate weeks. so you've got more chances. but everybody up to that point that's been vaccinated, could have been a month ago, two months ago, yesterday, they have a chance. >> key fact. key fact. that is very good. now here's the second pushback. this is federal money and it's from the c.a.r.e.s. act, coronavirus relief dollars. you could have used it on something better than a lottery. you could have used it to help open more schools because you've seen -- you've done well with reopening schools and seen what a big difference that makes for families.

why not just put the money in there and go from 80% to 100% and that will help more than a lottery? >> chris, there's nothing that's going to determine ohio's future more than how well we do in getting vaccinated and how well we control this virus. we're worried about winter. that's going to really control not only saving lives but the economy. and, yes, we could have spent it for more advertising on tv. we've done a lot of advertising on tv. we've done a lot of different things. this we have not done and we were getting a real slowdown in the number of people getting vaccinated. it went down dramatically two or three weeks ago. and we want to kick it up. and i think this is going to do it. >> this debate that is raging about why people are having a hard time getting employees, i've been doing a lot of research on it.

it depends on region, it depends on industry. there is a narrative that, look, here's why. it's because they're doing better than if they were working. you agree with that, and you want to pull some of the aid, 594,000 ohioans will lose money when the aid ends june 26th. the added unemployment benefit reduced hunger in the country by 35%, mostly for minorities. ohio still has hungry people. 1.5 million. is this the right move? >> yeah, i think it is, chris. let me go back. the original extra dollars were 600, very well needed. very, very much needed. the federal government then came down to 300, very needed. but we're well, well into this. we're coming out of this pandemic. here's what we're seeing in ohio. our unemployment is down to where it was at the time that the pandemic started. we're starting to move forward. but across the state of ohio, we've got businesses that are

only partially open, can't do the things that they have done in the past. we were -- i was at a restaurant -- >> nobody can get workers. i'm hearing it new york city, out on the island where i live. every employer, everybody i meet, man or woman, brown, white, whatever their color, whatever their creed, if they own a business, they say i can't get anybody to work. i hear you, i'm with you. >> it's not the only reason. it's not the only reason. >> so are you doing any -- >> it is a reason, though, i think, chris. >> let's say it is. stipulated. let's say it is a reason for some. but what about not being able to get child care? what about fears about the workplace safety? are you doing any kind of thoughtful appraisal of who gets the funding pulled and who doesn't? >> well, as far as workplace safety, the main fear, of course, as you know, was getting

the virus. >> right. >> we now have the vaccine. if people want to go back to work, feel they should go back to work, they can get the vaccine. we pushed this out long enough so they could actually start the vaccine as soon as we announced it and they would be able to be well on their way to getting the immunity really that they need. look, child care is something we always have to continue to look at. we've worked on it in ohio. we put dollars in it. we kept it going. it does not mean it's perfect. but at some point, chris, we have to get back to normal. and what happens when -- we still have regular unemployment in ohio, we just -- in 40 some days we're just going to say, okay, federal government, we're not going to take that additional 300 a month -- or 300 a week that is coming in. it's getting us back to normal. this is what everybody wants. this is what we're trying to do. >> your unemployment rate is 4.7%.

the national average is 6%. you say getting back to normal. bernie sanders put out a tweet about the issue where he said normal for you is workers being underpaid and that the money they're making with federal money is right around the poverty line and for you that's too much. he said the problem in america is not that unemployed workers are receiving an extra $300 a week in emergency benefits during a horrific pandemic, the problem is that too many employers in america are exploiting their workers by paying starvation wages with no benefits. what do you think of that? >> well, he's got his opinion, that's fine. but here's what we have to do and here's what we have been doing. and here's what we're going to continue to do. i think government has the obligation to do absolutely everything we can to let every american live up to their god-given potential. that is putting a great focus on education. but that's education written very large. it doesn't just mean k through

12, preschool or just college. it means taking workers and allowing them to get industry credentials, taking a step up, get higher pay and take their skill sets up. that's how we're going to grow the economy. we have a program in ohio that we started after i became governor. it's worked exceedingly well. we basically are putting money into it to upscale this -- the workers' talents. but look, chris, it's an ongoing focus. we're not perfect. no state is perfect. but we think we know the most important thing and that is make sure the workers have the best skill sets that they can have so they can get the best jobs that they can. >> governor mike dewine, complicated times require solutions and discussion. i appreciate you for participating here. i look forward to seeing you again soon. >> thanks, chris. >> be well. pipeline attack. it's a metaphor. it's a metaphor. why? on the microlevel, shaking up gas prices led to shortages.

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can we move past the players and get from left and right to reasonable? that's the question for transportation secretary pete buttigieg. transportation secretary pete buttigieg, good to see you, sir. >> good to be with you. >> so let's talk problem and then we'll talk solution. when it comes to cybersecurity, why wasn't the money for cybersecurity in the bill to start with? >> well, so to be clear, some of the things that are in the bill include making sure that the grants come in with serious plans for cybersecurity because that's what it means to be resilient in the 21st century. let's also recognize that the federal government cannot be alone in promoting cybersecurity. take this situation where you had a private company experience a cyberattack with public consequences. so many of our utilities and other pieces of infrastructure, they're either owned and operated by local governments or often by private actors. and so we need a whole of society approach, not just a

whole of government approach, to make sure we're safe and secure. >> secretary, were we caught sleeping on this? in 2020 alone 24,000 u.s. ransomware attacks, state, local governments targeted, health care facilities, schools. victims paid $350 million in ransom. that's up 300% from the year before. are we sleeping? >> look, we as a country, i think, have had a big wake-up call. don't get me wrong, we've been working on this from day one. the executive order the president put out this week is a result of work that's been ongoing. i've been hearing from the white house and others in the administration about our mutual cybersecurity work from the get-go. but look, let's face it, clearly our country needs to be more secure than we have been, especially because the threats are only going to get more and more sophisticated. >> on the wake-up call side, the biden budget proposal for next year, cybersecurity and infrastructure, security agency,

got a 5% bump as compared to an overall 16% bump in nondefense spending. in light of this now, should that change? >> well, i'll leave that to other parts of the government. what i'll say is it's not just about the dollars that go into an agency that stood up specifically around cybersecurity, it's also got to be part of the work all of us are doing. you might not see it in our department of transportation budget, but when we're thinking about funding a plan that comes in from a community that wants to, let's say, put in a new light rail line or add some kind of resource in their ports, you better believe we're going to want to make sure that it's resilient, safe and secure. so it's up to us and every other department from education to agriculture as well as cissa as well as dod and homeland security to make sure we're doing our part. >> is it a fair argument, secretary, that the government should be more involved here? i know privatization very sexy, very appealing because it seems efficient and we'll leave it to the people who know. but whether it's texas that

operates its own grid and now you have colonial which is a private industry, they don't have the same touch on regulation that other aspects of government-owned industry do. is that what we're paying the price for here is they weren't up to speed on cyber hacking because they don't need to be? >> well, the problem is, of course, they do need to be so we need to make sure there's levels of reporting. >> they didn't even tell you guys right away, right? if you really regulated them, if you controlled them, i'm not faulting you because it's the system. i'm saying should the system change? should there be more oversight? and not by congress. should there be more oversight by an agency that knows what it's doing where you've got to tell us and you've got to know and meet requirements and spend money, otherwise you don't get the concession? >> i think that kind of oversight is part of what it

means to have critical infrastructure in private hands. look, we're not going to want the federal government to own and operate every utility or every pipeline or every other piece of critical infrastructure in the country. often it does make sense for that to be in decentralized, local or even private hands. but when it is, an enormous responsibility comes with that stewardship and i think we need to take a real look at a policy level at what's being done. >> so today there's a headline that the president says he's open on infrastructure. he wants to negotiate. he's been having meetings. what gives you any hope, mr. secretary, that mitch mcconnell's quote from nine days ago of 100% of my focus is on stopping this new administration will change? do you think there's any chance of republican votes actually being cast for a democratic anything? >> i do think there's a chance to do this because i don't think

that this is a uniquely democratic set of goals or vision. look, the american people want infrastructure. the american people want investments in the competitiveness of the future. that's one of the reasons why the jobs plan is so popular across the country and not only with democrats. just yesterday i was in the oval office with the president, the commerce secretary and the vp and a bunch of republican senators having a good faith conversation about where we were, where they were, and where to go from here. there's remarkable strong and good committee work going on. building a good policy. so is it a guarantee? far from it. obviously we're starting out pretty far apart but i do think there's a good opportunity for a lot of common ground and alignment because the american people can't wait. >> covid relief was a need also. they passed it twice under trump. then for all the good faith meetings, zero republican votes for anything with biden's name on it. why might this be different? >> i'd say in my view the back

and forth has already been a lot more dynamic. they came to the table with a proposal. the president has put forward his ideas. that back and forth is, i'll tell you, it's very real and very focused. same thing with what's going on in the committees both on the house and senate side. this regular order legislative process has the potential to deliver really good policy for the future. we've got to give it every shot. i get politics are what they are. i don't know exactly where this will lead us. but what i know is this is both good policy and good politics, at least that's how we view it. we're hoping a good number of republicans come to view it the came way if we can scope out at least where the common ground might lie. >> mr. secretary pete buttigieg thank you for joining us on "prime time." >> thank you. will they work for solutions or are they going to keep playing the game? you've got to keep watching. the indicted former pal of matt gaetz formally struck a plea deal today. today the deal was filed.

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all right. as anticipated, the deal for federal cooperation for one of the key figures in matt gaetz' political and personal life was filed today. joel greenberg has agreed to plead guilty to six federal charges, including a count of sex trafficking of a child. it's just a fraction of the 33 federal counts he originally faced. but the big one was the sex trafficking of a minor and they weren't going to let that go. how much time does he get? we'll see. that will be a coefficient of how much help he gave them against other people they value as much or more on charges that are as serious or more serious. that's how you get a deal. greenberg had numerous sugar daddy relationships, drug-laced meetings with young women, including a minor. gaetz is not implicated by name in these papers, but greenberg admits that he and others paid a 17-year-old girl for sex and that he introduced her to, quote, other adult men who engaged in commercial sex acts

with her. top legal mind and a man who knows the florida dynamic that is at play here, counselor mark o'mara. let's be very clear, mark ain't a part of the dynamic, he just knows about the dynamic. so they made a plea deal. and that means that he offered substantial assistance, am i right, in the common reckoning that that means that he helped them go after people they think are as valuable as he or more on charges that are as serious or more? >> absolutely. they do that by way of a proffer, which is basically a confession. you go into the u.s. attorney's office with your lawyers. they have their case agents. you sit down and basically tell them everything you know. if you don't tell them everything you know or if you lie to them, the deal is off, you don't get what you go there for which is to try to minimize your damage. so we know greenberg has spoken to them on several occasions. we know because of the type of

deal he's getting, not phenomenal, he's still going to federal prison, it seems, but he has got to be focusing on other people. we've always talked about congressman gaetz being one of them, but certainly he's going to be giving what we call truly substantial information that will lead to other indictments and convictions. >> unless he can tie congressman matt gaetz to sex with an underaged person who was also trafficked for that purpose, how bad could the trouble be for gaetz? >> if they don't, let's just say they get away from that. then what else is out there? there may be some paying for sex. there may be adult sex. there may be some of these other things. we don't know exactly what greenberg has talked about. certainly the premiere case is the sex trafficking or the sex with a minor. but we also know that greenberg has been involved in an enormous amount of information from

cryptocurrency to fraud to stalking. not suggesting anyone else like the congressman is involved in that, but we have to know that since they have been so tight for so long that probably the reason why greenberg is getting his deal is because he does in fact have very good information about people at the level of congressman gaetz or others. >> how real or how literal is that understanding that they have to have charges that are equal or worse against other people? i can't think of anything worse in the mix than sex with a minor and trafficking them. >> i agree, which is why i would think that he has to have some type of evidence of at least that level with somebody who might be perceived to be above him. the other information is we look at this with the context of drug trafficking cases. you always have to have -- if you're going to get a deal in drug trafficking world, you're giving up your source. you're giving up the person who is selling more than you so it's that context you have to look at

this case in. whatever greenberg is giving them, it's got to be so significant that they're even willing to talk to somebody who they otherwise have for a virtual life sentence. he's reduced his exposure a great deal already with the plea and it will come down even more based solely upon his substantial assistance. >> now, you are aware of the politics and the legal and prosecutorial communities down there. gaetz' spokesperson says the first indictment says he falsely accused another man of sex with a minor for his own gain. that man was innocent. do you think gaetz has trouble or not? >> i think he has some trouble. i know the lead prosecutor on this and he does his work, does it well and doesn't leave very much to chance. remember, federal prosecutors have about a 97% conviction rate with whatever they do. and by that i mean they are not going to rely alone on what greenberg says. that's the bare bones. they have to put meat on that bone. that's going to be corroborating

witnesses, other forensic evidence, other bank evidence, whatever. they are not going to walk in there and say to any jury listen and believe greenberg alone. it is going to have to be filled up with everything else to convince 12 people beyond a reasonable doubt of whoever they want to convict after greenberg. >> there's that old adage when it comes to those finds of things, find the woman. now, we know it's going to be the women here who could have the biggest impact. it could be easy to find them. it's about whether they will talk/cooperate. mark o'mara, thank you very much. counselor, be well. >> thank you, chris. be well. what do we do about our kids now in this new cdc situation? they're not fully vaccinated, right? you just got the new authorization so you've got kids 12 to 18, they can get it. so what do we do with them? fauci says nothing has changed for unvaccinated kids who are not eligible to get the shot. they have got to mask up in the classroom this fall. what is that going to mean for parents?

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so the cdc is trying to make things less confusing with the mask guidelines but there's at least one group scrambling for answers, and that's us, parents. parents of kids younger than 12. they can't get the vaccine. should we even prioritize them?

one harvard pediatrician argues no. quote, many poorer countries have yet to receive a single vaccine shipment. in this context, it's difficult to justify using limited vaccine supplies to immunize young, healthy kids at little risk of severe disease of covid. whether vaccines will prevent severe disease from variants is still unknown. the best way to fight the pandemic is with a global campaign to vaccinate those most at risk of exposure to serious disease. dr. richard malley wrote that op-ed. a pediatrician. he joins us with dr. liena wen. do we have a quorum here that all three of us believe kids should be able to go back to school in the fall without masks? yes? >> ideally without masks, yes. >> raise a hand, give me something. this isn't a court, i'm not prosecuting. so, look, that's my concern. let's just short circuit this.

i'll start with you, dr. liena wen. ideally is not good enough. people see that the vaccinated are getting their masks off. everybody is going to take their masks off now. there are going to be cases. there are going to be variants. if we don't hear about people being hospitalized and dying and things stay the same with kids, you almost never hear about a bad case. parents will not accept going back to school and the kids, especially little ones, have to deal with masks or anything unusual. >> well, right now i'm worried about a different issue. i think maybe by the fall, maybe if caseloads are low enough, maybe we'll worry about your issue. i'm actually really worried that we're increasing the risk for our children because essentially what the cdc has done is to lift all mask mandates and social distancing mandates regardless of whether you're vaccinated. they say only vaccinated people should be taking off their masks but we know that's not how people are going to be. i think what's the end result is that vaccinated people are going to be fine. but unvaccinated people are now

going to be exposed to all kinds of other unvaccinated people who are now going around maskless with no restrictions. i think it's going to be harder for us to reach herd immunity because that incentive to get vaccinated is now gone. if every restriction is gone anyway, what's in it for you? so i think it's actually going to be harder for us to get to the point that you want to get to, chris, which is a low enough level of transmission in the fall that our children can actually take off their masks and that's because the cdc guidance was too abrupt and skipped a lot of steps that were really unnecessary. >> what's your take, dr. malley? >> well, i think the cdc is facing a very difficult situation. this has been a horrific year and we have to give people some hope, some idea things are getting better. at the same time, we are also trying to encourage people who are somewhat reluctant or hesitant to be vaccinated that there is in fact a reason, a tangible reason to be vaccinated. i think that is essentially the calculus that they're doing.

let's give something to show to the population that has had such a horrible year with deaths and horrible tragedies, let's give them something tangible. let's encourage people to get vaccinated and hope that what dr. wen is worried about, which is that people will essentially try to trick the system will not happen to the extent that you're worried about. and i think it's a gamble that the cdc is taking. my take on it would be that this type of approach is much more likely to be successful as we start seeing the number of cases really plummet with more vaccinations. then i think the concerns that as pediatricians we have about kids being exposed and potentially transmitting to others really get reduced. >> now, on the vaccines, and i'm going to bounce back to dr. wen about your point. you're saying, look, the kids don't need a vaccine. give it to the adults and other high-risk people in other countries and that will do more for the global pandemic than doing it for the kids.

how confident are you of that? >> well, what i would really want the message to be and what adam fin and i tried to convey is that at this moment the priority should not be to vaccinate 2-year-olds. at this moment, chris. soon, when we have the virus under better control in all sorts of parts of the world, then of course you can start focusing on children. but the idea that we are going to give vaccines that are in such short supply to kids whose risk of severe covid is so small while the rest of the world is imploding and you have images of crematoriums in india and lack of oxygen in brazil and other places, i think that really rays a humanitarian question. the other point i would quickly make is that if you're really interested in protecting children, which we all are and as a pediatrician it's what i've dedicated my life to, the best way to protect children is to protect them against collateral damage of covid. all the psychological, physical

and financial complications that covid has led to in their lives. one of the worst things that could happen is to allow some of these variants that you mentioned to come back into our country and some of those variants might in fact over time become resistant to the effective vaccine. and so controlling the virus in other countries, in the elderly, in the immunocompromised, even, i would say, in the children who have risks in our country, that would be the best strategy to try to get back to normal. >> dr. wen. >> i think that this is completing two different things. i definitely agree that global vaccine access is really important for humanitarian reasons but you're not going to get there by distributing the doses that were reserved for children in the u.s. even if you're talking about every dose for every child under the age of 18 in the u.s., you give it abroad, you'll be vaccinating less than 1% of the world's population. if we really want to solve the

problem of global vaccine equity, we would be building global infrastructure and helping with the manufacturing capacities, lifting export restrictions. there are actual policy things we could be doing if that's the problem that we're trying to solve for. there's a different problem here too which is we still have a pandemic here. we have children who have been out of school for a lot of this year in person. we have parents who are not at work. and the best way for our economy to get started to help us here in the u.s. is to get our children vaccinated. the solution that dr. malley is proposing to me almost sounds like we're saying we have global poverty as an issue so we're all going to fast in the u.s. for a month. that's not the solution to this global problem and we're not solving for the problem right here in the u.s. >> i understand you about the problem in the u.s. but it's not a good analogy for malley because poverty somewhere else doesn't make you hungry here but i understand your help. good points on both sides. you know what we've got to do, have more of these conversations.

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after this started. this is how this started. okay? so, they believe he's been moved to, maybe, eight locations in houston, this week. the big cat was last seen strolling outside a suburban home before being taken in by this man in the white shirt. even that's not accurate. look. he wasn't taken in. this guy is in control of this cat. okay? he wasn't taken in, like a stray cat. victor hugo cuevas is this guy. he would, later, drive off with the tiger. this off-duty cop, who was there, said he told him to stop. and the guy evaded and then, another cop showed up and he still evaded. cuevas argues, no, i didn't. i didn't know the guy was a cop, and nobody told me to stop. he is in police custody tonight, though. why? because he was out on bond, from an unrelated-murder charge, stemming from 2017. and the judge just revoked the bond. it's complicated. simple question. where is the cat? michael elliot, cuevas's

attorney, joins me now. counselor, thank you. >> you are very welcome. calling you from cat central here in fort bend county. >> nice to see you. where is the cat at? >> well, we're all looking for the cat. i think the cat is hiding in a tree, like you said. i'm not sure but we are all looking for him very diligently. >> why doesn't cuevas know where the cat is? >> well, because he took it to the owner and the owner's now run and hid because the whole world is looking for him, that's why. >> does cuevas know how to help find the guy? >> i think he could help, yes. and cuevas has been trying, very dili diligently trying. and right now, we have gotten threats and all kind of other things to back off and close our mouth. i think we are ruffling some feathers. i'm not sure. >> you say cuevas didn't run. the off-duty cop says he did run. the cop shows up while he is driving away and supposedly, according to the off-duty cop

drove over the neighbor's lawn trying to be evasive. why do you believe he wasn't running away with the cat? >> well, this is the same cop now that testified today and admitted that he tampered with evidence. and the testimony also was that he was drinking, at the time. so take it with a grain of salt, what he says. the other testimony was not one single officer told him he could leave. >> why did he leave? >> he was scared. he took the cat. tried to save the cat's life. >> wait, hold on. why -- why did he think he was saving the cat's life, by driving away with the cat? is the cat wanted for something? >> well, no, but the drunk, off-duty cop had a gun out there and he thought he was going to shoot him. that's why. and the mob was coming around thinking this cat was going to do something bad to somebody. >> but he knew that the cat's illegal, right? >> well, it's a classy ordinance. it's like playing your music too loud. okay? >> holding a bengal tiger as a private pet is playing your music too loud? come on, counselor. >> well, it's the same offense. it's a class c ordinance

violation. i am not saying it's a great idea but it is the status of texas law. >> you see it as the same type of egregious act as me letting a bengal tiger loose in your yard? >> they're both class c ordinance violations, so legally, they're the same. >> then, why, if it's such a nothing burger, why didn't he just take the cat, control it, and stay put? and if the cops want to take it in because it's not licensed or whatever it is, you do what the law says? >> well, i mean, i didn't say he made a great-thought process, in what he was doing there. but there was a mob out there. and i'm not faulting people for being concerned about it but the cop was out there waving guns around. he was drinking. he was -- he was screaming and hollering. >> people get nervous when there's a tiger on the street, mike, right? >> yeah, absolutely, i am not faulting people for being nervous about it but that's sort of the scenario that happened out there. and victor loves this cat and to be honest with you, he wanted to save the cat and get him out of

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