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terms of vaccination rates? joining me is former congressman daniel rigellman. john, you have been reporting on how the insane lies about election fraud have taken over the gop. this is the rule and not the exception in the gop, even though a few brave republicans are speaking out. >> that's exactly right. the big lie has become a litmus test. that cuts to the heart of our democracy. you can't claim to be a patriot and back a lie that undermines our democracy. a few of the republicans are starting to stand up and call out the president's lies as unhinged and call out this fraud that's been going on, which is really just a partisan attempt to rerun an election, to give, you know, credibility to conspiracy theories. it's a disgrace to democracy and it's good to see some
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republicans calling it out. we need a lot more. >> if you don't support the lies, you're likely to get cancelled. you saw with liz cheney. and now it's jeff duncan announcing he won't run in 2020. this is what he said, in part "it always feels coldest right before the sun rises. i believe that is the exact moment in time the republican party is caught in right now and i am committed to being a part of creating those better days ahead for our conservative party across the country." is the gop's commitment to the bug lie shrinking the party? >> well, yes. but it's also like some areas here i would say expanding the part in rule areas, may be shrinking in some suburban areas. i was talking about this earlier to somebody, we were looking at data and it seems this is still the way forward in election integrity. i apologize, my dog just came into the room.
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sorry about that noise. >> it's quite all right. it happens. >> here comes my second dog, i apologize. it is the litmus test, if you think about all the gubernatorial candidates in virginia, every one of them range on integrity. it seems like grifft part of th republican party now. there's an amazing sort of technical area there. and i'm not sure why you would go to florida with somebody named cyber ninges for a technical audit. it seems to be part of this republican party grift that started with president donald trump and some of the people around them. i really don't know how to say that any louder or clearer than
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what john already said. >> let me ask you about lisa murkowski. senator murkowski said she's offended by members of her party claiming that january 6th was a peaceful protest, you know. she also voted to con havict tr for inciting the resurrection. could siding with the truth, do you think it's going to hurt her? >> absolutely. jeff duncan didn't run because he probably looked at the polling and said we think you're great integrity, glad you're out there fight bug can't win this election. that's what happened. you know, here there's two districts here that just had elections, don, and i want to talk about this really quickly is that the polling there again and i've said this to you before, if i did, i apologize, don, but the polling for election integrity was 25%
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across the nearest topic. if liz cheney is going out or local state candidates here, the candidates that said that president biden was legitimate. they lost by a lot. so what do we do? if you're going to actually win in the republican party in many of these districts, you embrace it, you say we need election integrity, the election was stolen, i support trump in '24. that's the litmus test. >> this is murkowski's first rodeo with the radicals. she ran as an independent, as a write-in, and she won. it's important to remember that a lot of these divisions have not been happening overnight and the answer is to have the courage of your con vvictions a go out as an independent candidate, in necessary, be judged on the content of your
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character. these folks are afraid of losing a close partisan primary. they do well in a general election if they had the guts to stick it out one way or the other. >> i agree. >> thank you, john denver. >> west virginia. >> hey, man, that's where my family is from, rocky mountain high. >> take me home. >> i'm very confused. >> thank you very much. take care, guys. i want to get to the man matt gaetz called his wing man, pleading guilty to six charges of soliciting and paying an underaged girl for sex. dave, thank you, i appreciate you joining us tonight. joe greenberg was facing 33 charges but since he agreed to give substantial assistance to prosecutors, he only had to plead guilty on six of those charges. what does that tell you about the kind of information greenberg could have?
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>> good night, don. it's great to be back with you. you know, federal prosecutors are not going to cut a sweet deal with a child sex trafficker, unless that person has real information that could lead to a prosecution of someone equally or more culpable than he is or a bigger fish. now, we know that joel greenberg is the most culpable person here. he's at the top of the food chain. you've got a sitting member of congress out there, person in position of trust. that is joel greenberg's lifeline, otherwise he's facing life in prison for child trafficking. the person who is the worst, he gets the deal, the best, because he knows the most. >> interesting. the person who is the worst gets the deal that's the best because he knows the most. very good observation. that's not your observation,
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it's the way it works. this is what we heard from greenberg's attorney. >> does my client have information that could hurt an elected official? i guess this is just, you know, must-see television. you'll just have to wait and see. >> wow. how worried should congressman gaetz be right now? >> to quote clubber lange from "rocky 3", my prediction is pain. and this lawyer is talking pretty loosely and that's unusual because federal prosecutors like to observe a cone of silence because they don't want to tip off anyone. if you start tipping off targets, that target can flee, can attempt to tamper with witnesses so lawyers have to be careful when they speak out on that's matters. but gatetz is in a lot of trouble. greenberg is a walking criminal enterprise. the fact that the charges were
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reduced from 33 counts to six gives gaetz's opportunity to say you did it to save yourself and you've done this before in the plea deal, he admits to making up a false accusation about another political rival back in seminal county, a teacher who ran against him, who he labeled as a pedophile. he would say this is just joel greenberg doing greenberg things. >> does he have a credibility problem? gaetz's lawyer is already pointing out that greenberg has admitted to falsely accusing another man, as you said, of having sex with a minor. would they have needed him to back up his accusations with proof to cut a deal because he has this credibility problem?
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>> joel greenberg's words mean nothing. this guy needs corroboration to get a deal. so he's got to have the venmo receipts, the text messages and emails. i got the e-mail here. 60 pages of it are faxed. he's got to have the information or the fed wouldn't cut a deal with him. i think the feds have him in their back pocket who will testify to back up what greenberg says, people like the 17-year-old victim or matt gaetz's ex-girl friend, who doesn't have an ax to grind. she'll be tougher to discredit than joel greenberg or the victim in this case who according to reports is now an adult film actress, but not so for the ex-girl friend who i think could be a powerful witness in any future trial. >> gaetz is going around the
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country with marjorie taylor green, making light of the accusations he's denied. instead of out talking, he's out talking and joking around about it, again deanyenying all the accusations. and joel greenberg. i don't know why i did that. >> thank you so much. david aronberg. i appreciate it. joining me is dr. hotez, co-dir co-di co-director of the vaccine development. glad you're here. the science is clear, we're still seeing a lot of hesitancy. this is what reverend franklin graham said earlier on cnn. >> vaccines are important. i would encourage people to pray
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about it, consider it. i would never tell someone they had to have it or mandate it. i think we certainly should encourage people to consider the vaccine. if you don't take it, there are some real risks for some groups. >> has the white house, reverend graham, ever reached out to you about this and asked you to do a public service announcement, something along those lines? >> no, not yet, but i'd be glad to if they called. i certainly would try to work with them and help them any way i could. >> so look at your -- i'm going to put up on your screen now, a pew center research survey found 45% of white evangelicals say they definitely won't or probably wouldn't get vaccinated. do you think this is going to mac a d make a difference, doctor? >> we need many more leaders like that.
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don, what we're seeing is very scary. i worried we're diverging into two covid nations . up in the new england states, new jersey, california, new mexico, we're hitting really great numbers, 65% of the country, single dose, 50% two doses, we'll be there pretty soon. we'll have a big impact on reducing virus transmission and vaccinating our way out of the epidemic. then there's the other america, and this time around it's something that's not good. it it's the southern part of the country, the bottom states are all deep red states, georgia, tennessee, alabama, half that vaccination rate and also up in wyoming and alabama. we can't beat the epidemic unless we bring the states to
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the south up this summer. >> this is a map of the top ten states with the highest percentage vaccinated, all states that went blue 2020 and the bottom states all states that went red except for georgia. this is something you've written about that could really affect the future of covid in this country. explain that to us, doctor. >> people have tied their political ideology or their allegiance to not getting vaccinated. just like they tied it to defying masks and social distanci distancing. it never used to be this way in this country and it's something new and very unfortunate and it's going to take work. the spread between the blue states and red states is growing every day. it's not shrinking. by the summer -- if you remember last year at this time, don, we
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were in a nater in the epidemic and we had that massive surge across the south in the summer. i don't think it will be as bad this time around because we do have some vaccinated and some were infected and recovered. bu but it still going to be pretty bad. i don't want to see that and i don't want to see variants emerge. we're seeing some dire news for the south if they don't fibs it. -- fix it. >> i heard it "i have a fraiend that works at a doctor's office." there's so much information out there. hope to get the word out. thank for being on the show. >> thank you very much. >> it's not just the nation' highest court. how a increasingly conservative court system could change the
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well, tonight the supreme court agreed to hear a major abortion case next term, a case that could directly challenge the landmark roe v. wade decision. it involves a controversial mississippi law that bans most abortions after 15 weeks and does not make exception for rape or incest. a federal judge struck down the law two and a half years ago. mr. ron brownstein is here and emily bazalon, staff writer for the "new york times" magazine and fellow at yale law school. em emily, can we start with you? i want to talk about the supreme court that a 6-3 majority bench. three supported by the president and now they'll hear the case that severely limits roe v.
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wade. it's what conservatives have been waiting for and trump and mcconnell certainly delivered. >> that's right. i think what you're seeing here is the way in which conservatives decides and rightly so that the supreme court is really important in america life, especially for social issues, abortion, access to firearms, questions about the role of religion in american life. so these three justices appointed by president donald trump joined three other very conservative justices and it seems as if this decision to take this challenge to this mississippi abortion ban could signal major challenges and major changes to access to abortion in the united states. >> the supreme court is also taking up a case of gun rights and may hear a case on affirmative action. are we see how trump's jusdges could impact for years to come?
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>> this case is moment tous not only for itself but what it could portend pore voting rights, immigration reform, lgbtq rights and civil rights. we have a situation i believe we have been in before where you have a court majority that is putting itself directly at odds with the priorities of what is emerging as the nation's political majority. democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the eight last presidential elections, no matter has ever done that, represented a majority of the senate for all but two of the past 40 years yet this court is in a position to block much of what this majority is trying to do, like in the 1850s when a court was appointed by pro-southern presidents and in the 1930s when you had a court appointed by previous republican
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preside presidents blocking the agenda of the emerging fdr majority. >> trump with the help of mcconnell and senate republicans made lifetime appointments to nearly 30% of the federal bench. all these issues, including voting rights, as ron just mentioned, they're going to go through an increasingly conservative court system. what does that portend? >> that means the more than 200 lower court judges who trump appointed will be in a position to build a record. in a lot of cases what happens at a trial or at this first stage determines what the higher-up judges, including supreme court justices can actually look at. if you have lower court judges determining those outcomes at first, that can have a real effect on people up the judicial food chain. and it means that you're less likely to hear the kind of challenges to conservative views that might perhaps persuade or
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at least create factual problems for very conservative members of the supreme court. >> got it. listen, ron, this isn't the first time you and i have had conversations about this issue. but now they're actually making their way to the court. you wrote last year that the then gop-controlled senate represented well below half the u.s. population, elevated a justice to the supreme court, chose krn by trump, a presidento lost the popular vote. you posed this question, can majority rule survive. what are you thinking about that now? >> i think this is that core conflict we're heading towards in the 2020s. five of the six republican justices were nominated by presidents who initially lost the popular vote. four were confirmed by senators who represented well less of the population. that was the case in each of the trump not nominees. as i said, they are positioning themselves this opposition to virtually every priority item on
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the agenda of this majority that has won the popular vote in seven of the past eight elections. you look at the social and racial priorities of generation z and millennials who are becoming the dominant group in the electorate, this court is likely to oppose almost every single one of them and positioned to maintain this journal into the 2030s. that's inherently unsustainable. something is going to have to give. i do not see these generations allowing this court majority to simply deny their priorities for potentially 15 more years. >> ron, emily, thank you so. i appreciate the conversation. up next, people you think are some of the smartest in the country spreading misinformation. why this hand gesture had a whole bunch of jeopardy
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tonight an example of what happens when cancel culture, disinformation and social media collide. it all started when "jeopardy" champion kelly donahue made this gesture on the show last month, perceived by some on social media to be a racist white power simple, one that's supposed to be made like an okay sign with three fingers. the accusation made its way to a facebook group of almost 300 former jeopardy contestants and "the new york times" reports that many in the group with outraged, some even appealed to
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the anti-defamation league. almost 600 former contestants signed a letter calling for "jeopardy" to address the symbol. here's the thing. he did not make a white power symbol. he was holding up the number of thingers fingers for his win. every time he won, he held up a finger for the amount of times he won, one, two, three. and snopes is debunking the claim. "during the fourth episode was raising a finger to mark my third win. here to discuss is the professor of government at dartmouth. brendan are thank you so much. i appreciate you joining me. it's an important story, all of this collides are social media,
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misinforming, cancellation. what makes this case so incendiary, do you think? >> it brings together people's fierce about racism and white supremacy. they have every reason to be concerned. we just lived through george floyd's murder and that turned into a kind of conspiracy theory that flourished despite complete lack of evidence that anything nefarious is going on. everyone can fall prey to conspiracy theories and even the most nknowledgeable people that are on "jeopardy" can fall victim to the claims. we need to slow down. and then avoid spreading
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something before, you know, we ruin someone's life or at least, you know, scar them forever. these internet mobs can get going very quickly. >> these are, as you said, really smart people. they've won jeopardy, some of them are champions many times. listen, the "new york times" is reporting that some members of his jeopardy winners facebook group were furious after the adl refused to take issue with the hand sign, one calling it gas lighting. t he said he wished people could pause and fact check before the storm. he has a point. does social media make that impossible? >> it probably makes it a little too hard. that outrage, that impulse to mask, to share button when you feel that twinge of outrage that someone said something wrong on the internet or something that offends you, there aren't enough kind of circuit breakers between you and sharing that story
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further. we're starting to see social media platforms show people down and say do you want to read more about this before you pull this story. these closed facebook groups, too, can be a real problem. we saw them play a key role in the stop of steel -- stop the s movement. we all need to be careful and take that sober second look and think is this something i need to be sharing. it reminds us that both sides can fall victim to information and even the most knowledgeable people among us can do it and i think that's a great lesson for all of us. we're all human beings, we all can make these mistakes but let's not make them with people's reputations. we don't want to have a world where everyone is getting their 15 minutes of being a social media pariah.
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that's a terrible world to live in, especially when there's no justification in this case. it's just some guy making a symbol on his chest because he's happy he won game show. >> i'm often sprourprised that people are outraged on social media. but you're right, people need to step back and wait for the facts and do some digging for more information before coming in and jumping to conclusions. thank you, i appreciate it. i'll see you soon. so he anchors six days a week, i don't know how he did this, has a wife and kids. now he's got something else in the works. jake tapper is here next. plus navy pilots speaking out about youfos they say they've seen. >
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. congresswoman liz cheney doubling down on her warnings about trump's grip on the republican party just days after she was ousted from her house gop leadership post saying it is drank dangerous that trump continues to push the big lie of election fraud and that a violent insurrection that happened on january 6th could happen again. lots to discuss with anywmy cnn
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colleague jake tapper, ouauthorf "the devil may dance." first i have to talk news of the day, what's going on with the gop and truth, or the gop and lies. do you think restricting voter access is a play to set themselves up for minority rule? >> i think this is a play for them to remake what happened in november 2020 but with different laws and with different players in key positions so that if they need to, they can undo the election. i mean, if you look just at georgia, for example, one of the provisions that they changed in the law when it comes to voting rights has to do with provisional ballots, which is you go to vote and you make a mistake and you go to the wrong place to vote, well, under
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ge georgia's law before, you could cast a provisional ballot and you you were who you said you were and the vote would count. they would just figure out what voting district it belonged to. well, now they're making that more difficult. that combined with the fact that they are trying to replace people who were in power at that time in georgia who upheld the law, like the secretary of state brad raffensperger, for example, they're trying to replace him with election liar congressman jody heist. this is what they're trying to do. this is what liz cheney is warning about. she's saying they're going to try again to undermine this democracy and we can't let them. that's what she's saying. >> you do two hours of television five days a week and then you do another hour of television on the weekend and then you write a book and one is now that you've written --
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>> you wrote one, too, don. >> i know. i don't know where you find the time. i are hahave time on the weeken. it's center on the rat pack, the mafia, politics. give me the characters and if they're based on real team. >> charlie and margaret are the heroes and they were the heros in my first book, "hell fire group." in 1960s the rat pack worked to get kennedy elected and in 1962, sinatra thought kennedy would stay with him at his estate and then bobby kennedy had a decision to make because he was
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going after organized crime at the justice department and sinatra was friends with some of these mobsters. so bobby kennedy had to decide do i offend sinatra, one of the biggest stars who got my brother elected or let me brother stay in a house where mobsters have slept. and decided why don't i let me here wros go in and investigate and that's where the thriller comes in. >> you handle so many issues, including racism and misogyny in hollywood, long before the racism the way sammy davis jr. was treated and how frank sinatra handled racism against his fellow rat pack friend, sammy davis jr.
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>> the rat pack could be really racist on stage towards sammy davis jr. they thought they were being funny and maybe in 1962 it was funny to some people. i don't think it's funny. but behind the scenes sinatra was revolutionary in terms of civil rights. he helped make sure that the hotels in vegas integrated, he fought for equal pay for people in his band. and he really was way ahead of where the kennedys were in 1960, 1961, 1962 in terms of civil rights for people in thinks world. that didn't always translate to his hijinx on camera. in that way sammy davis jr. had much more to thank sinatra for in terms of actual civil rights activism than he did president
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kennedy at the time. >> he wouldn't play certain venues, wouldn't stay at certain hotels. it was fascinating. he was way ahead of his time. >> exactly. >> jake, thank you. the book is called "the devil may dance" by my esteemed colleague, mr. jake tapper. >> thank you, my friend. >> all right, look at this. it's a ufo, that's what the pentagon is confirming but they won't use the word aliens. stay with us. at runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.
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u.s. navy pilots going on the record, and speaking openly about their encounters with ufos. more on this, tonight, from cnn pentagon correspondent, oren liebermann. >> an object skimming the surface. apparently, at high speed. when? bullseye. the aircraft sensors hone in on the -- the thing, the unidentified-flying object. it's one of a few videos of these ufos the pentagon confirmed as authentic. >> you know, i think that over the years, we have sort of said, man, if i saw this solo, i don't know that i would have come back and said anything, because it sounds so crazy. your mind tries to make sense of it. i am going to categorize this, as, maybe, a helicopter. or maybe, a drone. and when it disappeared, i mean, it was just -- >> alex dietrich has never told her story publicly. she is one of several navy pilots who spoke with 60 minutes, who have seen or picked
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up on sensors, similar objects, often moving fast with odd shapes. and no-obvious method of propulsion. >> there is definitely something that -- i don't know who is building it, who's got the technology, who's got the brains. but there -- there's something out there that was better than our airplane. >> reporter: no one is using the word, aliens, here. the pentagon calls them uaps. unidentifi unidentified-aerial fe fom that. >> there is a whole fleet of them. >> my gosh. they're all going against the wind. the wind's 120 miles. >> pilot ryan graves picked this up on his infrared sensor in 2004 off the coast of san diego. >> look at this thing. >> the highest probability is it's a threat-observation program. >> could it be russian? or chinese technology? >> i don't see why not. >> reporter: late-last year, the pentagon created a task force to look at the nature and origin of uaps. what are these things? where do they come from?
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and is there an intent here? the government sees this as a possible threat. something, that may be able to outperform military capabilities. lawmakers are demanding it be treated seriously. >> we have things flying over our military bases and places where we're conducting military exercises. and we don't know what it is. and it isn't ours. so, that's a legitimate question to ask. if it's something of outside -- from outside this planet, that might actually be better than the fact that we have seen some technological leap on behalf of the chinese or russians or some other adversary. >> next month, the director of national intelligence and the defense secretary are scheduled to deliver an unclassified report on uaps to congress. former director natof national intelligence, james clapper, applauds the transparency but isn't expecting too much, yet. >> i expect this report won't be fluid with ambiguity, as well. and people, depending on their leanings, will extract what they want out of this report. >> for years, the government and the military downplayed the
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significance of the reports of ufos. now, the pentagon's handling of those reports. it's under its own investigation. the dod inspector general, announcing earlier this month, that the pentagon's handling of the reports of ufos is under investigation. don. >> oren, thank you so much for that. i appreciate it. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. cal: our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪
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party. and as we'll discuss in a moment, it's being abetted by some of the nation's top-gop lawmakers, who are currently in power. that said, these particular republicans, officials in maricopa county, arizona, do have two things in their favor. they have the facts, in this case, about the election the former president has been trying to discredit as a partisan bunch of, so-called cyber ninjas comb the the ballots for irregularities, that have been ruled out again and again. they have the facts about that and they are angry. this is a recorder who heads up the county's department. >> i have been accused of -- ballots. the claims have even been indulged by the senate majority whip. more recently, i have been accused of deleting entire databases, even though i participated in the transference of all databases to the senate, have seen them with my own eyes. and even though i still have access to the current,

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