tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 17, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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and as we'll discuss in a moment, it's being abetted by some of the nation's top-gop lawmakers, who are currently in power. that said, these particular republicans, officials in maricopa county, arizona, do have two things in their favor. they have the facts, in this case, about the election the former president has been trying to discredit as a partisan bunch of, so-called cyber ninjas comb the the ballots for irregularities, that have been ruled out again and again. they have the facts about that and they are angry. this is a recorder who heads up the county's department. >> i have been accused of -- ballots. the claims have even been indulged by the senate majority whip. more recently, i have been accused of deleting entire databases, even though i participated in the transference of all databases to the senate, have seen them with my own eyes. and even though i still have access to the current, fully-functional, voting
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database. it is enough. i didn't want to get involved. i wanted to sit, quietly, on the sidelines. but it is enough. i am now the leader of an office of 160 full-time employees, and i am tired of hearing them defamed and ridiculed. they are good people. they are hardworking people. they are people of integrity. they are my friends. >> republicans, sick of the big lie. a lot like the georgia-election officials, also, republicans. also, sick of the big lie. who spoke out, repeatedly, against the defeated president's attempt to overturn their results. and georgia's republican lieutenant governor, jeff duncan, who announced today that he won't be seeking a second term. he tells the atlanta journal constitution that phony-conspiracy theories have dealt lasting damage to his party. and as we might add, also fueled the single-worst attack on american democracy, by americans, since the civil war. sometime this week, wednesday we think, house lawmakers could vote on legislation setting up a nonpartisan commission to investigate what happened that day, and what led up to it.
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as of tonight, though, it looks like only a handcuff of republicans are getting behind it. the republican leader, who supports such a 9/11-style panel, liz cheney, is now a former leader. she's been purged. her replacement, new york congresswoman, eless stefanik, is pushing the big lie. and kevin mccarthy who once, very briefly, spoke out against the attack. he is now dragging his feet. possibly, because when it comes to telling the truth and going against the man in mar-a-lago, once is quite enough for him. just a reminder. he actually does know how to truth speak to power, when he wants. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have, immediately, denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> now, he says, eh, maybe not. that was his assessment, a week after the attack. just a week later, though, he began unsaying what he said. he subsequently traveled, of course, to mar-a-lago, to proverbially kiss the ring. and ever since, has been
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dragging his fees on a 9/11-style commission, unless it also looks into unrelated issues, such as antifa and black lives matter demonstrations last year. as cnn was first to report, kevin mccarthy spoke with the former president during the attack and when he asked for help, the former president reportedly said quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. according to a republican lawmaker familiar with the call, leader mccarthy told him rioters were breaking into his office through the windows. and asked trump, who the f do you think you are talking to? he did not, immediately, comment on that report. recently, though, he did say this. >> i was the first person to contact him, when the riots was going on. he didn't see it. when he ended the call was saying, telling me, he will put something out to make sure to stop this. and that's what he did. he put a video out, later. >> quite-a lot later. and it was a pretty weak video. >> weak, indeed. a 9/11-style commission, with subpoena power, could mean he'd be called on to testify, perhaps under oath. something congresswoman cheney was happy to talk about with abc
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news' john carl. the interview aired yesterday. >> should kevin mccarthy be willing to speak/testify before that commission? after all, he is one of the few people, that we know of, that was actually talking to donald trump while the attack was taking place. >> he, absolutely, should. and -- and i wouldn't be surprised if he were subpoenaed. i think that he, very clearly, and said publicly, that he's got information about the president's state of mind, that day. >> and perhaps, he might be compelled to say it, for the record. i asked house majority whip, james clyburn about it, just before air time. >> why do you think it is, that kevin mccarthy has pushed back on democrats in advocating for broadening the scope of -- of the commission? i mean, some critics have said he wants to muddy the waters and avoid testifying about his conversations with the then president. >> i have no idea what his reasons are. i do know that this is about january 6th. it has absolutely nothing to do
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with what may have happened, someplace else in the world, prior to, or even after. we are all about what it takes to secure this capitol. we are all about finding out what led to this insurrection. and what we can do, to prevent it from, ever, happening again. >> house majority whip james clyburn. and having heard, at the top, from maricopa county recorder. we are joined, now, by another official who spoke out this evening. maricopa county sheriff, paul pinzone, he is a democrat. sheriff, you said this so-called audit is forcing you and other-county officials to waste time, resources, and energy, on what you say is political theater. and those who wish to see our nation destroyed celebrate this division. that is an end quote. i mean, does this exercise have any credibility, in your view? >> well, if it does, i think it's getting lost in a lot of the -- [ inaudible ] theater
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because at this point, what we see is such an extreme division, that we are hurting ourselves. if there's legitimacy to the audit. what's identified specifically, what those areas are. once you start bringing law enforcement, the equipment that critical for instructure when it comes to technology, we are drawing that away from public-safety needs for our community. >> i mean, one of the issues, of course, with this so-called audit, is there is no guarantee, any results that this group announces will be legitimate. there is nothing to say -- there's no-standard procedures that they are -- are known to be following. and not only, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around. but the people behind this so-called audit are actually demanding access to state government computer routers and passwords. >> yeah. and -- and there's absolute misinformation. you know, as a county, we have many entities, whether it is county health, whether it's recorder's office, the courts, the jails, the sheriff's office
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which is responsible for the jails. all has a common area, where we share information. and although this office is siloed off because we are law enforcement. we have certain layers of protection. if you turn those routers over, that's like turning over [ inaudible ] within the i.t. structure. so in the hands of the wrong person, what it does is it puts them at our doorstep and equips a talented hacker to then breach into our infrastructure, our i.t. system, and either do damage to the information. or draw it out for their own needs. but ultimately, as we have seen with other law-enforcement agencies, we have seen it with, recently, an oil distributor. it is far too dangerous, and could jeopardize not only the safety of our deputies but it could jeopardize the safety of our community, and provide information that is critical to our ability to function. so i put my foot in the cement and said i'm not moving on this. you are not going to get our equipment. we have nothing to do with this audit. we are a law-enforcement agency. and if you had not invoked or -- or tried to set this into this
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narrative, i would have just stood on the sidelines and focused on public safety. but now, you have. and i have an obligation to protect our agency and public safety of our community. >> part and parcel of that, of course, karen fan, as you know, she's accused the maricopa county board of supervisors of noncompliance. with -- with legislative subpoenas. i am wondering, what you have to say to that? and do you intend to confront the senate president, other-republican leaders, tomorrow? she's issuing an invitation for county officials to appear before the hearing. >> no. that's in the political-theater arena. i give credit to my colleagues. if you look at it, you know, when i made a commitment to take this office. for anyone who has familiarity with it. it was very politically involved, historically. politics has no place in our efforts. my colleagues, majority of whom are elected republicans, have
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been, you know, very bipartisan in the effort to ensure that our elections process and our system is protected. that it is fair and that it is just to include audits and other processes. when i look at what they had done, relative to protecting our information, protecting this process, and protecting the people. we are not going to get caught up in things that, in my opinion, are motivated through partisan efforts. if there is legitimate information that rises to the level where you believe that there is a potential crime committed, as it relates to a federal election. then, that falls in the lands of law enforcement. not some third party, who is, you know, known to be professional hackers. that you've -- that you've contracted with to be a part of this process. if we had a potential crime committed, then show the evidence to us and we move forward on it. >> sheriff penzone, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. coming up next. congressman matt gaetz, now that his former friend's pleaded guilty to half a dozen charges and cut a deal with the feds. also, with states dropping mask mandates, this week a question is the moment that we have all been waiting for coming
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that friendship may explain this banner someone was flying overhead during court. it reads, tick tock, matt gaetz. the florida congressman could find himself in hot water. giving greenberg's admission in court that he, greenberg, knowingly solicited and paid for sex with a minor. and says, others did, too. >> mr. greenberg has pled guilty, pursuant to a plea agreement. it has certain requirements and obligations on him. and he's -- intends to honor that. rai >> reporter: honoring that 86-page plea agreement means he could be called on to testify against others and provide information about co-conspirators, who may include congressman matt gaetz. the florida congressman wasn't named in the plea agreement, or in court. though, investigators are, still, trying to determine if gaetz has, also, been involved in sex trafficking, prostitution, or sex with a minor. gaetz has denied any wrongdoing, and has not been charged with a crime. >> does my client have
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information that could hurt an elected official? i guess, this is just, you know, must-see television. you'll just have to wait and see. >> reporter: in the plea agreement, and this is key, greenberg admits he introduced that same minor he was sexually involved with to others who, also, had sex with her. question is, who are those other men? and will greenberg name them in the hopes of getting a lesser sentence? as part of his plea, greenberg agreed to provide substantial assistance. that may be why the department of justice cut a deal with him. allowing greenberg to plead guilty to just-six federal charges, instead of the 33 counts he was facing. >> i think he's feeling a sense of acceptance, and he definitely feels the sense of remorse. >> reporter: at a republican event, over the weekend, gaetz played down allegations against him. >> i'm being falsely accused of exchanging money, for naughty
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favors. >> reporter: naughty favors? or something more? that may come down to what joel greenberg shares with investigators. >> randi joins us, now. i mean, given greenberg's own history, he's certainly, you know, not necessarily a credible witness. >> yeah, anderson. that's the real issue. he has a credibility problem. in fact, as part of his plea deal, he admitted to falsely accusing a teacher of having sex with a student, back in 2019. spreading rumors that that teacher had actually raped that student. on social-media pages, that teacher was a political opponent of his. so, that explains why he was making those false accusations. none of that was true. but this, all, speaks to his credibility. he now has this on his resume, if you will. he has the false accusations, the history of sex trafficking, the history of sex with a minor. a real-credibility issue, that will come to light if he does move forward and cooperate, in this case, anderson. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. thanks. joining us now, cnn senior legal analyst and former federal
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prosecutor, elie honig. also, cnn political kmencomment amanda carpenter. based on your experience, how worried should he be right now? >> anderson, any way you cut this, all the prognoses are grim. i keep going back to my own experience as a federal prosecutor. when i was a supervisor, if somebody had come to me and said we got this guy. joel greenberg. he is involved in sex trafficking of a minor. but i want to cooperate him. i would say, you better have rock-solid proof to back him up. and you better have some very important, very worthy targets that we are confident we're going to charge, before we cooperate a heinous person, who's committed heinous crimes, like joel greenberg. so, if these prosecutors are operating with any competency, whatsoever, they have only entered into this deal with joel greenberg because they intend to make big charges against important people. >> i mean, given the charges against greenberg, elie, he, certainly, seems to be very high on the -- you know, the sleaze
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spectrum. in terms of his credibility, that's something that prosecutors -- they're certainly aware he lacks credibility. they must be confident in something, evidence, he actually has. i mean, i imagine, they would have taken in his sleaziness into account? >> yeah, anderson. even in the world of cooperating witnesses, who all, by definition, are convicted felons. joel greenberg is about as bad, as horrible, as it gets. and that's why, i think, we saw this 86-page plea document that randi talked about. that is a very unusual document. i've never put anywhere-near that level of detail into cooperator papers. i actually tried to put as little detail as possible because you don't want to tip anyone off. and i think what prosecutors were telling us, with that document, is we have the goods that backs up joel greenberg. that's why we saw countless references in that document to specific texts, financial records, bank records, hotel records. that's going to be the core of their case, not joel greenberg,
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himself. >> and, amanda, congressman gaetz certainly denied any wrongdoing. that's important to -- to point out. how do you think -- does the republican party -- how do they navigate all this? i mean, so far, it seems like a lot of people are just sort of saying i don't know anything about it. >> yeah. i mean, i think for republicans in washington. they certainly wouldn't take any kind of action, until charges are filed. and at that point, you might see him suspended from a committee assignment. there wouldn't be any more official action, unless he was actually convicted. he would be allowed to go to trial. he would remain a congressman. but what is interesting, to me, to watch is -- is -- is how he's going on tour with this america-first rally. you know, florida, ohio, arizona next week. and he is sort of using his support for trump as political cover. he is going on tour with marjorie taylor greene. and it's really amazing to watch. and it sort of speaks to the brain drain within the republican party. because for every, say, liz
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cheney or cindy mccain or mitt romney, that decides they can't go on with trump as the leader of the republican party. the more dependent those republicans in washington become upon people, like matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene. because they perceive those two figures of having a strong connection with the trump voter, that they can't afford to lose. and so, by going on tour and building up that support with the trump base, it -- it sort of makes them invincible in washington, from criticism. >> and elie, greenberg pled guilty to six charges, instead of the 33 that he was facing. you know, one of those charges was that he knowingly solicited and paid a minor for sex. how significant is that, in terms of his credibility? was he being overcharged, as to -- to punish him? >> no, anderson. i actually think it was a tactical mistake, by prosecutors, to let him plead out to only-six of the 33 counts. because now, if and when the day comes when joel greenberg testifies against somebody. the defense lawyer's going to
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stand up and say, look at this sweetheart deal you got. you were charged with 33 counts. they dropped 27 of them. that is going to resonate with the jury. i think the better practice, and the practice i was always raised with at the justice department is -- we used to say eat the sheet. meaning, plead to the entire indictment. that way, when you put him on the stand, you can say to the jury, he is an open book. he's accepted responsibility for everything he's done. so i think that was a tactical misstep there, by the prosecutors. >> it's so fascinating to me, amanda. i don't know how fascinating it is. but it's -- it's -- it's sort of so now the way things are handled. there used to be a sense of shame. and maybe, somebody accused of these kind of things might lie low a little bit. or at least have a little bit of humility about them. this is sort of taking the former president's playbook, and, yeah, let's use these allegations to launch a national tour. and try to, you know, raise my profile. make myself a defender of the former president and that's why i'm being prosecuted. say i'm being persecuted. and see how much money i can rake in, in the meantime.
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>> yeah, certainly, i mean, that's part of the pitch. he is the victim here. he is being cancelled. and he uses that to build a grievance-base credibility with that trump base. but what is sort of amazing for me to watch is how little the democrats want to attack matt gaetz on these grounds. and i understand the justice system is going to take its course. but the house-ethics committee is, still, investigating this. they are going to look at the sexual misconduct. the allegations of illicit drug use. the misuse of campaign funds. the sharing of nude photos on the house floor that's been reported. and so, even if, somehow, he escapes criminal repercussions, he still has to deal with that. and i am just -- i'm surprised how reticent democrats have been to be to talk about it. good news in the war against covid. one state hardest hit is lifting its mask mandate. but dr. leana wen says the cdc's new guidance is a mess. why she says president biden needs to clean it up. next. plus, who is out there?
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breaking news, tonight. new york is joining the growing list of states adopting the new-cdc guidelines on masks-let starting wednesday, fully-v fully-vaccinated new yorkers will not be required to wear masks or socially distance. also, washington, d.c. made it effective today. new jersey is allowing no masks outdoors. they are still need ed indoors. california will, next month. still, there is a lot of confusion over the new guidance, with some praising it. others questioning it. cnn's medical analyst, dr. leana wen, is not a supporter of the move. she warns in "the washington post," quote, this relaxation is premature. could lead to a resurgence of infections. she adds, quote, this was a major blunder that threatens to set back much of the progress made. but president biden needs to fix
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it, urgently. dr. wen joins me, now. so, fix it how? >> well, i think, first, we have to recognize the problem, anderson, which is that the cdc got the science correct. but they got the policy and the communication really wrong. i think that they were trying to give, essentially, individual-level guidance, as if they were a doctor. i think it's appropriate for a doctor to tell the patient, once h you are fully vaccinated, you are now well protected from getting covid-19. but that's very different from then saying that to the country. because it was then understood as community or societal-level guidance. which is the reason we have seen mask mandates just being dropped across the country. i think the biden administration, it may be too late to unring the bell and apply mask mandates, again. but i do think they can -- they can encourage certain locales and certain businesses that are continuing to have mask mandates in place. and i think they should really work on vaccine verification. because, at this point, that's really what's needed in a lot of
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places, especially with high le levels of transmission. >> so when you talk about vaccine verification, it doesn't seem like there's an appetite for that, in the biden administration. >> yeah. i think they have been very queazy about this whole concept. and in some ways, i understand why. but i also think we need to frame it differently. this whole concept of a vaccine passport seems to signify some kind of national i.d. but i think we should be thinking about this more like a ez-pass. or a tsa precheck. that, maybe, for everybody else, they have the symptom check. maybe, they, also, have testing. but if you then have proof of vaccination, you are able to skip these steps. and so, i think a lot of businesses are really asking for this. and now, is the opportunity for the biden administration that's already been working on helping businesses to develop some kind of vaccine requirement. for the biden administration, to now release what it is they were working on. >> problem with -- with a verification system is, you know, then it's, what, up to
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businesses to police that at their doors asking for verification? it just seems like -- that seems like a difficult thing. i could see big companies, you know, deciding. a big office, deciding everybody has to be vaccinated. but, you know, stores and such. it seems difficult. >> yeah. i think that different types of businesses can approach it differently. if you are a university or you're a individual employer, you can certainly ask for your students or your employees to have proof of vaccination. stores. i mean, i'm a costco member, and every time i go into costco, they check to see that i have -- i have an i.d. so, it is something that we do on a regular basis. but i think, at the end of the day, we have to think about why it is that we're doing it. we are doing it to protect those who are unvaccinated. right now, only 37% of the country is fully vaccinated. the percentage of african-americans, latino-americans, vaccinated, is much lower than that. certain communities are well-below 37%. and so, i think we really have to consider, what is our
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obligation to protect the most vulnerable? some of whom, cannot yet be vaccinated, like children. and why our policies, right now, don't reflect that. >> yeah. i mean, for -- for families with kids. obviously, there is certainly concern. given that kids, you know, under a certain age can't be vaccinated. we are seeing a lot of states lift mandates. major retailers lifting mandates, too. all metrics are down, which is certainly good news. people are finally feeling good about where -- where we are. is that wrong? i mean, you were saying people shouldn't? >> i think there are certain communities where the vaccination rate is really high. that actually might have been time, in those places, to lift mask mandates. but there are others that are not there, yet. and we are potentially endangering individuals, like young children or people who are immunosuppressed. and now, feel like they can't even go to the store because things that were lower risk, now, has just become higher risk. if they're now going to be surrounded by unvaccinated, unmasked people, who think that the pandemic is over. it's more risky for individuals, who are not vaccinated.
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or for immunosuppressed. and then, we also have a situation of potentially increasing hot spots. there are places with low vaccination rates, where we could have surges as a result of this. and i just wish the cdc had consulted anybody from local, state government, a mayor, a health official. even business owners who could have told them about the unintended consequence. because ultimately, what was the rush here? why was there such a rush to get out this guidance? when, even a week or two of thoughtful deliberation could have prevented it. >> should new york lift its guidance, like they're going to? lift its mandate? >> look. i would prefer that people tied -- that governors and mayors tied the lifting of mandates to certain numbers. for example, actually, in maryland, where i live, the governor had previously said that, once we get to 70% of adults getting a first dose. that mask mandates could be lifted, at that point. but governor hogan, actually, rolled back this guidance because of the cdc.
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and now, there are no more mask mandates in maryland. certain jerkzurisdictions but n more in maryland. having numbers tied to this make sense when our country is not homogenous. and i think, tailoring your recommendations to each community is really key. >> yeah. dr. leana wen, i appreciate it. thanks. coming up next. live report from the middle east on the violence there and from the white house on what president biden is saying about it. as well as questions about whether he could be doing more ahead.
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6-year-old suzie from the rubble of her home in gaza city. she was trapped there, for seven hours. suzie's mother, two sisters, and two brothers, were killed in an israeli-air strike, early sunday. the last i saw of my wife, says her father, she had thrown herself on the floor, and concrete fell on her head. the high-tech meat grinder, that is 21st-century warfare, is gradually turning parts of this crowded strip of land on the mediterranean into a lunar landscape of jagged concrete and twisted metal. the death toll here, now, exceeds 200, according to the hamas-run gaza ministry of health. three years ago, a senior-u.n. official said, the residents of gaza are, in his words, caged in a toxic slum, from birth to death.
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the palestinian situation is devastated and in crisis, since 15 years. now, that crisis is worse and suffering has increased, says gaza resident. the power grid was already, barely, functioning before the hostilities. what little fuel there was coming from israel, has now stopped. the gaza-power company warns, the strip could go completely dark within-two days. israeli air strikes and hamas missile barrages continue, unabated. in parts of israel, sirens wailed monday to warn of incoming rockets from gaza. people, including a cnn team, fleeing to shelter for safety. the israeli military says, at least one residential building was hit. it came after hamas launched hundreds of rockets towards israel, over the weekend.
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one, squarely striking a synagogue in the city. according to the israeli military, at least ten israelis have died, as a result of more than 3,000 rockets from gaza. the country's iron dome of defense enabling most to take color. >> we will do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet. >> reporter: three times, in the past-13 years, and now once more, the low-intensity conflict between the militant factions and israel has erupted into full-scale war. and each round ends with the same result. and soon, the seeds of the next round of carnage and ruin begin to grow. perhaps, calm and order, of sorts, will be restored to israelis and palestinians, until the next time. >> and ben wedeman joins us now
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from jerusalem. i understand general strikes being called for on tuesday for all the palestinian territories. what more do you know about that? >> yeah. these are various-palestinian political parties and factions which have called for a general strike. not just in the west bank. but in jerusalem, and within israel, itself. therefore, anderson, there's a high probability that we will see this sort of unrest, that we saw last week, across the region. across the west bank. jerusalem and, also, inside israel. something that, particularly, this intercommunal violence within israel has israeli officials increasingly concerned. anderson. >> ben wedeman, appreciate it. thank you. more now on the israeli strike on a billing housing "the associated press" and al jazeera. israeli military say the building contained hamas military intelligence assets, as well. a claim hamas has denied. kaitlan collins joins us now with more.
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kaitlan, what is the white house saying or perhaps more importantly not saying at this point? >> well, the israeli prime minister says has shared intelligence with the u.s., that yes, hamas was operating out of this building that had these news outlets. that's why they had the air strike that crumpled the building over the weekend. but the white house is kind of being cagey about this intelligence. they are not disputing that they have actually received it. of course, that is a big intelligence-sharing relationship that happens there. but what they are not saying is who has actually viewed it and, anderson, whether or not they find it credible. you saw the secretary of state, tony blinken, this morning, saying he, himself, did not receive this information. but even today, the briefing, they would not say whether or not president biden, himself, has viewed it. and the white house said they're not going to. that it didn't want to get into those intelligence channels, they said. and so, i think, it's -- it's a big part of just that. but also, anderson, it speaks to just how delicate the white house is viewing these negotiations and these talks going back and forth with the israelis, with the palestinians.
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over what the mowhite house wan to say, what they don't want to say. even when it comes to intelligence sharing and when it comes to whether or not they are going to ultimately have the u.s. call for a ceasefire. >> the biden administration notified congress they approved a weapon sale to israel earlier this month, before the violence broke out. is there any sense now, of how that's playing amongst some of president biden's own party? >> well, really, what this is exposing is a lot of rifts in the democratic party because you are seeing some congressional-house members saying they want biden to be tougher on israel. take a different stance. even senator bernie sanders saying that they should re-evaluate the aid. and the arm sales that go to israel. talking about what that looks like. and so, i think what we should note, at the end of the day, is that president biden has been in politics for a long time. he's had long-standing support for israel. and in basically every statement we get from the white house, from biden or his top aides, they say that israel has a right to defend itself. so, that really givies you a god indication where his head is at
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on this. but when it comes to this arms sale, this is a small part of a bigger world of a bigger part of arm sales that happen. you are seeing some democrats, like ill han omar, saying this would be appalling if this sale went forward. we do, fully, expect that to happen. it doesn't seem that's going to change. but the broader conversation, and how are seeing newer democrats, younger democrats, more progressive democrats, respond to this. and respond to the way the white house is handling it, certainly, is really revealing of the politics at play here. even within the democratic party. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. from the white house. thanks. jukst ahead. a second white house official struck by a mystery illness. we will have the latest detail ts on the latest known incident of what's been called the havana syndrome. later, sightings of unidentified-flying objects. this time, by a navy pilot. what they saw and why it's like no other alien craft they have witnessed. first.
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sources tell cnn a mysterious syndrome that mostly affected american diplomats and others oversea struck another person. working at the white house last night. -- jeer. year. both incidents involve an individual on the national security council. this time, the symptoms were more serious, caused the official to seek immediate medical treatment. what more do we know about these incidents? >> these incidents are concerning on a number of levels. first and foremost, these were two officials from the national security council. some of the top national security advisers to the president of the united states. and they were struck with these illnesses, literally just feet away from the white house. one was at an entrance near the ellipse on the southern part of the white house, southern grounds of the white house. the other was another entrance on or near the white house grounds. this was very close to the white house. these incidents occurred last november. one of them was right after election day. the other was a little later. as you mentioned, one of those officials required immediate medical attention. the other one had some headaches and some sleepless nights, but
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again, the fact that these struck so close to the white house, we spoke to a former secret service agent, who said this really is a signal by whoever may have been responsible for this that they can strike close to the white house. and that is what is indeed so ominous. we can't call this an attack just yet, but sources are telling us this is very consistent with some of the attacks that did occur against u.s. diplomats and intelligence personnel in places like moscow, china, havana, cuba, that have been going on for the last five years. in those attacks, these were microwave type direct signals, directed at these people, and in many cases they got symptoms like vertigo, nausea, dizziness, things like that. pounding headaches. and so these are debilitating attacks in some cases and the fact this struck so close to the white house, that makes this even more ominous tonight. >> is there any idea of who is behind it? >> well, u.s. -- current and former u.s. officials have told us that it could be russia.
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it could be china, but that is largely circumstantial at that point. russian, china, and cuban officials have steadfastly denied they have anything to do with these attacks but we're told by experts and according to some intelligence documents that cnn has obtained that russia has been developing these microwave type weapons for many, many years now. so a lot of the signals do point toward russia, but again, moscow has vehemently denied any part of this. >> now to a mystery in the skies. navy pilots speaking out for the first time about the unidentified flying objects they have witnessed and defy easy explanation. oren liebermann has the story. >> an object skimming the surface, apparently at high speed. when? bulls eye, the aircraft sensors home in on the thing, the unidentified flying object. it's one of a few videos of
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these ufos the pentagon confirmed at authentic. >> i think over the years we have said, hey, man, if i saw this solo, i don't know that i would have come back and said anything because it sounds so crazy. your mind tries to make sense of it. i'm going to categorize this as maybe a helicopter or maybe a drone. and when it disappeared, it was just -- >> alex dietrick has never told her story publicly. she's one of several navy pilots who spoke with 60 minutes who have seen or picked up on sensors similar objects often moving fast with odd shapes and no obvious method of propulsion. >> there's definitely something that, i don't know who's building it, who has the technology, the brains, but there's something out there that was better than our airplane. >> no one is using the word aliens here. the pentagon calls them uaps, unidentified aerial phenomena. >> there's a whole fleet of them.
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>> my gosh. they're all going against the wind. the wind is 120 miles to the pest. -- west. >> pilot ryan graves picked this up on his infrared sensor on 2004 off the coast of san diego. >> the highest probability is it's a threat observation program. >> could it be russian or chinese technology? >> i don't see why not. >> late last year, the pentagon created a task force to look at the nature and origin of uaps. what are these things, where do they come from, and is there an intent here? the government sees this as a possible threat, something that may be able to outperform military capabilities. lawmakers are demanding it be treated seriously. >> we have things flying over our military bases and places where we're conducting military exercises, and we don't know what it is, and it isn't ours. so that's a question to ask, if it's something outside this planet, that might be better than the fact we have seen some
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technological leap on behalf of the chinese or russians. >> next month, the director of national intelligence and defense secretary are set to deliver an unclassified report on uaps to congress. james clapper applauds the transparency, but isn't expecting too much yet. >> i expect this report will be filled with ambiguity as well, and people depending on their leanings, will extract what they want out of this report. >> for years, the government and the military downplayed or largely ignored reports of ufos. now, that handling is under investigation. the dod inspector general announcing earljure this month that the pentagon's handling of ufos is part of its own investigation. anderson. >> thanks very much. still to come, an update in the case of the former minneapolis police officer charged in the shooting death of 20-year-old daunte wright. details when we come back. can had. ireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that.
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[ bleep ] >> i just shot him. >> the shooting and demonstrations that followed occurred about ten miles from the courtroom where the officer who killed george floyd was convicted. kim potter has quit the police force. she and the department say she mistook her taser. charged with second degree manslaughter. on saturday, the city council passed sweeping new police reforms in the wake of the killing. a lawyer representing daunte wright's family says they have received death threats and racist calls since the killing. want to hand it over to chris. >> thank you very much. happy monday. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." when it comes to our politics, there is a game afoot, and here we expose it for you. caught on tape tonight. we're going to she you just how ugly the game has gotten. when you look at the effort to suppress the vote. now, look, it takes a lot of money to push bills and gain traction on the grassroots leve
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