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different democratic party when it comes to this issue. it a warning sign where things are going and the president isn't just going to have to deal with it now but on this issue for the entirety of his time in office. >> yeah, it's a huge shift, you know, for someone like him who spent a career viewing israel from a different lens. thank you very much phil mattingly and thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. the house had just passed legislation establishing a 9/11 style commission to invest gate the attack on the capitol and got 35 republican votes and goes to the senate where it needs the support of ten republicans to survive. minority leader mitch er mitch will not be a republican and went so far to lobby senators on it earlier today. seems both of them got the message from the man that incited the rioters them self. republicans of the house and senate should not approve the
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democrat trap of the january 6th commission. it is just more partisan on fairness unless there are murders, riots and firebombings in portland, minneapolis, chicago and new york are going to be studied. this discussion must be held immediately. the discussions must get tougher and smarter and stop being used by the radical left. hopefully mitch healthcare reform -- mcconnell and kevin mccarthy are listening. the statement mcconnell said he opposed they waitnessed two gron adults in responsibility building to the whims of a twice impeached one term president with the indictment. we'll have more on that shortly. he's not just the one responsible for inciting the mob on january 6th or spreading the big lie for months about the election, he is the one not so
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long leaders mcconnell and mccarthy blamed out loud in public. before we get into tonight's house vote, the republican support for it, it's slim prospects and each leader's role in resisting it, here a quick reminder when they were simply telling the truth. >> the mob was fed lies. they were provoked by the president and other powerful. >> they were not rioters. >> in january that's what they said. tonight they're 4r5edleading th charge against the legislation that passed this evening. >> after careful consideration, i've made the decision to oppose the house democrat slanted and unbalanced proposal without a commission to study the events of january the 6th. as everybody surely knows, i repeatedly made my views about
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the vents of january the 6th very clear.events of january th very clear. >> he said law enforcement and existing committees already have the invest gigation in hand. he may as well said check your local cable listings and good luck and take this and it is new video leader mccarthy wanted to learn more about. now according to the fbi, one of the suspects in this video is hitting officers with a tactical baton that he picked up. in a separate video, also released today, another suspect is seen punching officers wearing a glove with metal knuckles. he's getting to the roots of that less important now to senator colin then procedural wrangling. is it less important now to
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mcelcconnell and less important leader mccarthy than avoiding testimony or sucking up to the former president or being house speaker some day and looking at the worst single attack on democracy less important now to leader mcconnell than whatever maneuvering he has in mind? can it be they are more scared now of the former president than they were back then of the mob? could be. consider congressman greg pence republican in indiana and yes, brother of this mike pence. >> we want pence! we want pence! we want pence! we want pence! >> that was the mob attacking the capitol chanting hang mike pence and might have been killed. greg pence voted against this commission and said in a statement quote hunging judge nancy pelosi is he lll bent on
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pushing her version with a jury that will carry out a political execution of donald trump. >> we have people scaling the capitol hitting the capitol police with led pad pipes acros the head and we can't get bipartisanship. >> that was congressman time ryan. another lawmaker that voted yes but how the vote went down and the maneuvering behind the scenes. what have you learned? >> this really played out exactly the way we thought it would. 35 republicans which was right around the number that many republican leaders were tells us to expect to vote yes for this bill. among them the ten that voted to impeach the former president the second time around, a good number of members of the problem solvers caucus, which is a bipartisan group of republicans and democrats that try to find common ground on issues but this was really an effort by the house minority leader kevin
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mccarthy to keep as many republicans as possible for voting for this measure. the republican leaders were sitting in the become of the chamber carefully watching the vote board to see how many of these republicans they were ultimately going to lose. you know, 35 is a pretty big number. there are more than 200 house republicans so it may not seem that big but this is definitely the biggest break we've seen from house leadership in this version of the republican congress. i don't know what it tells us about the future but there is at least a couple dozen house republicans that are willing to buck leadership on something they think is important. >> kevin mccarthy made his opposition clear. what was he doing behind the scenes? >> his maneuvering on this has been peculiar to say the least. initially, the number two ranking house republican steve scalise said they wouldn't whip the vote at all or encourage members to vote one way or another and late this week they put out an email saying we don't
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want you to vote for this and then make sure you tell us if you do plan to vote for it. mccarthy himself we're told was making phone calls to some of these republicans that he thought was going to break away from the general republican conference and doing everything he possibly could until the last minute to keep that number down. it could have been more, anderson. the sense we were getting there was as many as 50 republicans that might have voted yes if not for mccarthy's efforts. he was successful on one end but 35 republicans voted yes. >> so goes the senate now, what will happen there in terms of republican support? >> it's more difficult for this bill to pass because of mitch mcconnell's decision to come out against the bill. in the senate it's a much different ball game because you need ten republican votes in order to pass this bill and there is even some republicans that you would expect to maybe be in favor of collins and she
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doesn't like the bill in the current form. she would be someone that the democrats would desperately need to vote yes to get it over the finish line. the big question anderson is will there be some sort of negotiation between republicans and democrats next week to try and find tune the bill to get those ten republicans over the finish line? it really seems unlikely at this point because mitch mcconnell controls the game here. he's made it clear he does not want this to move forward so it seems unlikely it's going to happen but we know this. there will be a vote and chuck schumer has begun the process to bring the bill to the senate floor as soon as next week. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thanks. joining us is kathleen rice, democrat of new york and member of the house homeland security committee. congresswoman rice, thanks for being with us. what do you make of the level of support from your republican colleagues from this vote? we'll show their names on the screen in light of how the gop leadership tried to marshall opposition. is 35 about what you expected? >> yeah, i was hoping it would
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be more. you know, i've spoken to a lot of my colleagues who believe that we had to take this step to set up a commission. what i don't understand, anderson, is rodney davidson in the days immediately after january 6th, a republican from illinois, he put out a bill almost the same as the one we voted on today. i don't know what happened between that time in late january and now other than kevin mccarthy, mitch healthcare reform -- mcconnell, other republicans heard from donald trumpmcconnell, other republicans heard from donald trump and decided it's not worth their political career to be on the other side than donald trump. they want to make this deal and get these things they need to support this commission. he deputized catco to do it.
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they wanted equal subpoena power. i don't know why mccarthy pulled away the support other than he's just, you know, a milly mouth guy who is clearly more interested in measuring the draperies in the speaker's office and caring more about his own political future than protecting our democracy. we were able to do this in a bipartisan way after the worst terrorist attack in this country's history after 9/11. democrats and republicans came together because they saw how important it was. we could have done that in the immediate aftermath of january 6th, anderson. i thought that republicans would once and for all throw donald trump into the trash heap of history and go take the republican party in a different direction but they decided to go with donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, they are all in on the former president. what is so remarkable, too, it's
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not just kevin mccarthy who is desperate to become, you know, a more powerful figure in washington and stay in the good graces of the former president, it's all these congress people, republican congress people who are rewriting the history of what occurred, of claiming that these were just, you know, like it was peaceful tourists walking through taking pictures in statutory hall, the very people who were helping beforarricade doors so they wouldn't be killed by rioters. >> there are no words for representative clyde and the gaslighting that he was doing to the american people who watched this insurrection in realtime and all of us who lived through it in the capitol. i have never in my life did i believe that i would see a political party in this country stand for absolutely nothing but one person incredibly flawed human being, a man child who has
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never learned how to lose and they're carrying on and allowing him to continue his temper tantrum so you have a republican party, anderson, at this critical time when we try to come out of the pandemic and survive the insurrection that would stand for nothing but their own political futures. i never thought i would see the day, never. this is where we are. >> it's scary for anybody who cares about democracy and a functioning democracy because we need two parties that are living in a fact based world and have different ideas and can argue about stuff and, you know, it can be as tough as folks want it to be but they have to at least, you know, have a common sense of what is true and what is not true. >> no, i mean, that doesn't exist right now. my hope is that it will sometime in the future. i think it's really important to focus let's just talk about one
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of the people who voted no. again, let's go back to kevin mccarthy. his father was in law enforcement. just a week ago, leader mccarthy was out there in his bike shorts och on a bike backing the blue with capitol police officers saying we got your back and we'll link bikes and protect our democracy. thank you for saving our lives and he has the audacity to go on the floor today and say to all of those men in blue, all of those capitol police officers not so much. i really don't have your back. that's just disgusting. i don't know how what kind of double speaking, i don't know what to call that other than just rank personal, you know, ambition. there is no word for it. i do hope because there were 35 people who were brave enough to dot right thing for this country so we could have a commission, figure out what happened on january 6th and find ourselves
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here again just like we did in 9/11 and guess what? we never had a 9/11 style attack since that commission came out with the report and sad to me the majority of republicans couldn't do it today. i'm celebrating the 35 republicans who could. >> congresswoman rice, appreciate your time. thank you. i want to get perspective from cnn political analyst "new york times" washington maggie haberman. should anybody be surprised they did what the former president called for them to do, essentially derail prospects of a commission being ing establis? >> no, they should not be but i think this is what they were going to do before trump put out that statement and may can't to go ahead and do something that's clearly what he wants whether that was their goal or not. the case of mccarthy, i think it was. i don't think mcconnell's goal is to protect trump but that's the effect of what he did today. >> all this talk about how kevin
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mccarthy doesn't want to testify about his phone call with president trump in january 6th. mccarthy said that he wasn't concerned about being subpoenaed the testify and he clearly does not want to make the former president or republican base supports the former president could try to? >> even if kevin mccarthy was on the issue of what happened on january 6th and people talking about it, that doesn't guarantee that donald trump isn't going to have the republicans take back the house, he doesn't want kevin mccarthy to be speaker. most people think he's the overwhelming favorite. there is no guarantee of that or the fact that one could count on donald trump telling them yes, i'll be with you. i do think that donald trump is aware of kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker. that was the clear topic of
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their first meeting at m mar-a-lago a couple months ago after the uprising of the capitol and kevin mccarthy is banking he needs to be where not just trump is but where as you say the bulk of republican voters are if you look at a cbs poll in recent days that show that a majority of republicans, self-identified republicans weren't happy with what happened to liz cheney. that tells you a lot where this party's voters are and mceccart made it clear he wants to stay in power. >> can you explain the hold or partial hold the former president has on mitch mcconnell? he's 79 years old. he's not up for reelection until 2026. what happened to mitch mcconnell who condemned the former president for provoking and feeding the january 6th mob lies? >> i don't think this is a personal hold that trump has on mcconnell. i think this is more a hold that mcconnell's pockets has on mcconnell and what mcconnell wants to stay majority leader. i think these are a chain reaction essentially. he has senators who feel for
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whatever reason rightly or wrongly they need to not cross donald trump in order to maintain their seats some of them are up in 2022. it's a map seen as more favorable for democrats. so i think this is mcconnell reflecting the wishes of his caucus and therefore what will keep mcconnell in leadership because i think that has been the concern of mcconnell's all along. again, the effect is the person who benefits is donald trump. >> there is fundraising yet people like marjorie taylor greene that raised money off the big lie, the more money they're able to raise, the louder they become in this feedback loop of conspiracy theories and gaslighting that still persist. how much of an incentive is that to keep this all up? >> i certainly think you have an important point. they do see the republicans who are engaging and continuing to spread the lies and falsehoods about the election and about now what happened on january 6th including, you know, one congressman that claimed if you
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look in any other setting, it would look like tourists. that congressman was photographed barricading a door of the chamber. >> congressman clyburn. >> yeah. so it is the low dplaollar, and again, this is not condoning this but the low dollar fundraising base of the party and that low dollar fundraising base tends to be flreflective o what former president trump says. the party is in a similar position when leaders had to decide whether they were going to handle donald trump, condemn him, ignore him, go along with him and, you know, folks like mcconnell made the bet trump would fade over time because he's not on twitter anymore and that made a big difference but in the conservative media ecosystem, trump is pretty front and center and therefore someone they are paying attention to. >> maggie haberman, appreciate it. thank you. next, how the former president's life just got more complicated now that he's facing a criminal investigation by the state of new york and later,
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the president was wailing today like a man that saw the new york civil investigation sprout a criminal aspect and how deep in the soup he might be. first, the latest from kacara w broke the story last night. what is happening here? >> anderson, we have new reporting from my colleague, myself and sonia where we learned the new york attorney general's office launched a criminal investigation into allen weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the trump organization. this investigation is focused on him personally and a tax investigation sources tell us and this is being run by a small unit within the ag's office who has special authority in limited jurisdiction on crime until matters but one of those is
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taxes. this investigation has been underway for sometime. it was stemmed in part from information that the office had received from his former daughter-in-law jennifer wise l b -- wise and this is additional pressure. prosecutors wanted him to cooperate into the investigation into the trump organization and something prosecutors like to do is find the vulnerability and push people to see if they will flip and cooperate and if they were to get his cooperation, he's been with the trump organization for 40 years and one of the most loyal people to former president donald trump so it would be a big coup for them. but it's important to note that allen weisselberg has not been accused of any wrongdoing but in a sign of how seriously he's taken this investigation, he hired a criminal defense attorney that special iizes in x investigations. that new lawyer and his former
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lawyer and other lawyer declined to comment on this. >> so how does this specifically relate to the news that we learned last night that the new york attorney general is joining the district attorney's criminal inquiry into the trump organization? >> right, the news last night was that the new york attorney general is joining the trump -- the d.a.'s investigation into the trump organization. this is looking at the company and potentially the executives at that company, which could include donald trump. now, that's distinct from leticia james' investigation. this is building blocks where they look to put pressure on him and see if he'll cooperate that ultimately gets to the trump organization and the former president. >> stick around. i want to bring in cnn senior legal analyst and trump biographer and bloomberg opinion timothy o'bryan. i want to get your response to what we heard from cara. do you think there is any chance the trump organization cfo allen weisselberg would turn on the
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former president? i know his son works for the organization. i think they were looking to his son as well at one point. what do you think? >> you know, if i was making odds on it, anderson, i would say there is a much better than 50% chance he flips. the only tethers that donald trump has along loyalties with people, it's really money. when you move away from his children and really immediate family and even their exceptions in those cases, loyalty is a one-way street in trump land and everyone who lives and works there understands that. he has compensated allen weisselberg handsomely for decades now but if allen weisselberg has to choose between taking a bullet metaphor r for donald trump and going to prison or remaining free, i have very little doubt that he's
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going to choose to remain free. and i think he has to know very well that that's exactly what trump would do if he was in the same position. so i think this is a seismic development because it potentially indicates the unraveling of loyalties and support within trump's inner circle and i think any senior employees of that company and possibly his own children have to be begin lawye begin lawyeri. >> can prosecutors launch tax investigations into someone like allen weisselberg without a legitimate reason? can they just do it because they want to pressure him and see what is there to see if there is any material to pressure him to flip on trump? >> no, anderson. prosecutors need what we call
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predication to start any investigation, which means you need some fact and good faith basis to start any criminal investigation and it's really interesting to hear tim's analysis here because if they can flip allen weisselberg and that's a big if, this can be a game changer. if i'm prosecuting this case, my attention would go laser like right to allen weisselberg because one, you can develop leverage if you can build a viable criminal case on him thanks will give him reason to cooperate. allen weisselberg won't cooperate out of the goodness of his heart. he needs a reason. there is no better reason than prison time and access. people who know the trump organization said publicly he is the guy who knows everything. michael cohen has said publicly he knew where every penny went so he's the guy i would be looking at if i were prosecuting this case. >> the new york attorney general leticia james ran on prosecuting and cy vance is about to retire and a timetable, will they make
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a move? >> the statute of limitations is five years unless they can prove there is an on going conspiracy. there is this wrinkle in new york law that says they can potentially add time to the clock for a period of time someone is continuously out of the state and of course, trump is in the white house. they can work with that. there is vance, right? he has his term expires at the end of the year. he's not running for reelection. he put a lot of effort into this investigation and brought in former prosecutor recently to help boost the investigation and he also went to the supreme court twice to try to fight and win ultimately to get access to trump's taxes. so my hurnch would be he would decide whether there is a case to bring before he leaves office. >> the former president responded to the news of the criminal investigation saying in part quote there is nothing more corrupt in an investigation than
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desperate search of a crime. i mean, you know, look, for all his decades in the public eye, he's never come up against anything like this. do you think he understands this situation he's in? >> i do. i think, you know, in whatever hundreds of words were involved in his statement today that can be boiled down to just two. i'm worried. and i think he is profoundly worried. donald trump will be 75 years old next month. he spent the better part of 55 years avoiding the consequences of his own actions, thumbing his nose as social conventions, convention acting irrationally and ignoring norms of sort of basic human decency and of course, thumbing his nose at the law and this is the first time in that long stretch of time that he's facing a criminal investigation that he can't
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exercise any control around. >> and just finally, what is it saying the new york attorney general time is joining the investigation? how much do prosecutors need to go from civil to criminal. >> you have to have some reason, anderson, that's not a decision you just make on a whim. the new york a.g. has been looking at this case for a long time and it appears they found something that upped the ante and stakes for them. it happens all the time as a prosecutor something that started as a civil investigation, civil lawsuit, you find something and say whoa, this is next level stuff. we need to make this a criminal investigation. >> appreciate it. tim o'bryan, thanks. >> another causety of the former president's big law, the sham audit going down in arizona that created a major split in the state republican party and a vot vote how they are handling the divide when we continue.
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former presidents in swing states are going to perform the same sham audit in arizona. it is personal after those gop officials supporting the effort claim that a key voter database had been deleted. a claim that was amplified by the former president but then later proven to be not true by republican officials opposed to the recount.
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kyung law is back in arizona for us tonight with a look at the latest chapter in this very bizarre story. >> feeding ballots. >> reporter: if you're wondering what chickens have to do with ballots, you're as bewildered as a maricopa county recorder. but chickens have everything to do with the conspiracies swirling around arizona's votes in the 2020 election. >> i mean, you'd have to be an imbecile not to be aware lots of people have doubts about the election, people are questioning the democracy, they're questioning whether their vote is counted. >> reporter: both lifelong republicans bill gates and steven richards say the war within their party is fact versus fantasy. the battle ground is here. a third audit of maricopa's county 2.1 million ballots but this is unlike the others in every other way including that it's being run by the republican controlled arizona senate and little known contractor cyber s ninjas. over the last few weeks, we've
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seen them have to move all the ballots to make way for scheduled high school graduations. they say they have counted about 500,000 so far since they started late last month. during the count, workers used u.v. lights on ballots chasing a qanon conspiracy about a secret water mark, cameras hunting for bamboo fibers in ballots supposedly proving they were flown in from asia. this unorthodox review is backed by arizona republican senators. >> there is this blood thirstiness going on in our party right now that i don't understand but we have to stop it. this is tearing at the foundations of democracy to act in this way, to treat one another this way. >> i think it's a proxy war for this playing out on a national level so i guess, yeah, we're the experiment and democracy here in arizona. >> are you guys the petry dish
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for the playbook? >> absolutely. i'm very concerned about that. we see the videos from other states where they are demanding an arizona state audit. we've drawn a line in the sand because the fight was brought to us and now that it has been, it's inckcumbent upon us to rai our voices. >> they are batting the president and karen fan who continued to defend the partisan audit. >> i've had other senators and senate presence and speakers from other states that have contacted me. this is what is going to lay the groundwork as to, you know, what is the future of how do we audit our elections if need be? >> all the doors are locked? you can't even get in. we've asked six times for an interview with senator fan. she's nearly avoided all media. we're seeing if we can chat with senator fan? we can't get to this public official's office door. >> contact her office directly, see what her schedule is.
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>> reporter: meanwhile, these voters despite the previous two audits that found no wide spread fraud remain hungry for results they're convinced will be revealed. do you think donald trump won the election? >> yes, i do. i honestly do. >> reporter: when you say do it to them, what do you mean? >> i want an answer. i feel that we as a general public deserve an answer what is going on down there. >> reporter: but this table believes the war inside the gop will expedite the demographic and political change in arizona, a once red state now a battle ground. >> i think it's going to help the democrats. >> we think it's crazy, you know. i mean, you know, how can people still be questioning this election? you can't fix stupid, i guess. >> kyung law joins us from phoenix. the ballots will be moved again this weekend but in the meantime, you're hearing something about swamp coolers in the building behind you where
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the ballots are being stored? >> reporter: yeah, i actually had to google what that is because i had not heard of it. i don't know very much about cooling but the reason why we're talking about cooling is because this building is not recommended for use by the arizona state fairgrounds because it's just too hot here in arizona during the summer and remember, we're talking about paper ballots. so swamp coolers are being used to keep that space cool but that introduces humidity again, paper ballots that are sensitive certainly one of the number of things that the observers here have serious questions about and this count will continue, though, anderson. the ballots are scheduled to move back into the coliseum this weekend when all the high school graduations are over and resume as far as an audit on monday. anderson? >> kyung law, appreciate it. thanks. still to come, we're in the 11th day of brutal fighting between israel and hamas with hopes for a possible seize fire. i'll have the latest on the
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officials on thatme. according to figures 227 palestinians have died from air strikes including 64 children. israeli officials 12 died so far. ben wedeman joins us from jeru jerusalem. what is the latest? >> reporter: we had heard from the israeli defense officials that in the final phases they expected to intensify strikes against gaza just before a seize fire and that seems to be the case. this phone call is critical. 52-year-old hears he must evacuate. on the other end of the line, israeli security warns his neighborhood will soon be the target of an air strike. soon after, residents watch as a ball of fire and smoke consumes
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the neighborhood. looking on, their homes reduced to rubble. this behind me reflects their humanity demolishing homes, terrifying children and the elderly says this resident after his home was destroyed by an israeli air strike. he's one of 72,000 people the u.n. says have been displaced in the violence. the israeli air force says it launched several strikes on what it says were hamas targets wednesday including what they called a weapons depot of gaza militants. in an alleged command in control center in raffa. it marks the tenth day in conflict when 200 have been killed in gaza, more than 60 of them children says gaza's health ministry. reports emerged 11 of the young
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ones were being treated for trama before israeli strikes ended their lives. as concerns over the humanitarian toll mount, calls for deescalation grow ever louder. u.s. president calling on israel to find a path to seize fire. but israel's leader vows the offensive against gaza militants will continue in his words as long as necessary. four rockets were launched from lebanon to israeli territory wednesday sending sirens wailing. on israel's southern coast, a fresh rocket barrage hit the city. the running for cover as gaza militants unleashed new attacks. the seize fire comes, it can't
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come soon enough. >> ben, i mean, does the possibility of a seize fire seem realistic at this point? >> reporter: yes, it does. i think what's interesting about this conflict is that it's really been on fast forward compared to for instance the seven weeks of the 2014 conflict. clearly israel doesn't want to go into a ground and send troops into gaza because that could easily result in high civilian casualties in gaza itself and among their israeli military itself. so i think both sides have reached that critical threshold of pain and i think the end is possibly near. anderson? >> ben wedeman, appreciate it. thank you. >> joined by kaitlan collins, what's the feeling in the white house on a likelihood of a seize fire. >> i think hopeful but
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realistic. biden said he would hope this would be over sooner rather than later and we're on the tenth day of violence. so it's really unpredictable for them. they have not been sure where this is going to go. i do think you're starting to see president biden's patience wear thin. he had an aggressive phone call with the prime minister saying he wanted to see significant deescalation on the path to the seize fire not explicit recalling for one as the white house avoided doing so. that was really using a lot of leverage they had because so far they re cyssisted and realizing pressure he was facing led to the phone call today and what it seemed like from the public comments from netanyahu this operation would continue and i think that's really the pressure building up is what led to the fourth phone call that they had earlier this morning. >> obviously biden -- the president has known prime minister netanyahu for years,
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not just the vice president chairman of the senate, are they on the same page and who is he talking to on the palestinian side? >> what is new for netanyahu, he's dealing with a president where he doesn't have the son-in-law as the president and so that's what they're dealing with now. where he's dealing with someone who definitely has a favorable stance toward israel, biden does, but he's facing rifts in the party now, biden has, but even on an international level. look at what is happening with the united nations. that is a program that you saw president biden say he wanted to restore the united states' standing in. and they're incredibly frustrated with what the united states' standing towards israel is.
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and there's a lot of pressure. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. coming up next, 30 republicans voting to establish the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. >> to call it an insurrection is a bold-faced lie. people were in orderly fashion, taking videos and pictures. if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january 6th, you would think it was a normal tourist visit.
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it bears repeating, what georgia representative andrew clyde had to say. >> there was no insurrection. to call it an insurrection is a bold-faced lie. watching footage showed people in an orderly fashion taking videos and pictures. if you didn't know it was from january 6th, you would think it's a normal tourist visit. >> here he is, the same congressman on that day, january 6th, helping along with others at a barrier to try to help protect against some of the very same people he just called tourists. gary tauchman went to his district. >> reporter: it's one of the most conservative districts in
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the country. this past november, andrew clyde won the vote. but what do people think about his comments? in the photos, one of him barricading the door, another with his mouth open. let me ask you this. i'm going to show you this picture. this shows congressman clyde helping to barricade the door to keep people out of the chambers. does that look like a tourist visit? >> no. >> reporter: a tourist visit from hell. but you see him helping to barricade the door, does it look like he's telling the truth? >> i think you're right on that. >> reporter: this is congressman
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clyde. his mouth open, he's either yelling or scared or both. we can't tell for sure. now he's saying, though, that there was no insurrection. it was like a normal tourist visit. you voted for him. does that disappoint you? >> absolutely. yeah. but, you know, everybody -- as far as humanity goes, people are constantly counterintuitive. >> reporter: you think he's not being honest and honorable? >> i would say anybody in politics is apt to do the same thing. >> i haven't the slightest idea why politicians say what they say. >> reporter: but you agree he's a little misleading with how he said it? >> he shouldn't say that. >> reporter: that it's a tourist visit?
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>> yeah. >> i don't agree with him at all. >> reporter: and no supporter was more disappointed than this man. congressman clyde said it was a tourist visit. do you agree with that? >> that's horse bologna. it's not true. >> reporter: you disagree with the congressman? >> yeah. >> reporter: most were willing to cut him a break. what happened this past november was one of the reasons why. does that bother you that he's calling that a tourist visit? >> no, that's his opinion. other things bother me, like the results of the election. >> gary, did anyone agree with congressman clyde's words that what happened at the capitol was a normal tourist visit? >> reporter: we talked to a lot of republicans today. precisely zero told me that a
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normal tourist visit was a good way to describe what happened. but a lot of people are still sympathetic to donald trump in regards to his role about that day. but it does seem that most of the people we talked to do not feel that saying it was a tourist visit was a good thing to say. >> gary, appreciate it. and we appreciate all the folks that talked to you. the news continues. let's go to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> appreciate it, coop. 35 members in the gop voted to tell the truth and have the january 6th commission. what does that mean that they voted for a commission to study the terrorist insurrection of january 6th? the democrats could have done it themselves. they may wind up doing it themselves. what do these 35 out of 211 mean? i argue it's the result, not the ratio.
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