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tonight, the house is voting to create a commission to investigate the deadly capital house riot. some democrats are breaking with the gop leaders who are voting for the bill. and now, it will go to the senate where mitch mcconnell says he opposes it. and now the attorney general is looking into the taxes of the chief financial officer of the trump organization. and the battle of covid and news on when children under 12 could get the vaccine. i want to go right to cnn's ryan nobles right on capitol hill. and good to see you. and now, this bill is going to head to the senate, and what happens there? >> well, don, it really faces an unlikely future. you mentioned that the senate

minority leader mitch mcconnell surprisingly came out this morning that he is against this bill after saying earlier in week that he was open to it, and he wanted to see the final product, but it is a much different standard in the senate than the house, because you need ten additional republicans to vote for the measure in order for it to pass, and it seemed a possible, because there were quite a few republicans who voted to impeach president trump, and so you would think they would be open to the commission to look into january 6th, but mcconnell's resistance to support the bill makes it difficult. and we have seen the moderate republican senators raise the questions about the commission bill including susan collins of maine who says that she is open to changes to the bill, and then perhaps she would support it, but it is not something on the ta table. >> so you heard from susan kol lin, but there are 35 house republicans in favor of this bill, but anything else from any of them? >> yes, the house republicans who bucked the leadership were

pleasantly surprised at a number of the colleagues who were willing to take on the house minority leader kevin mccarthy and the gop whip steve ka scali and say that even though it is not what they wanted an endanger the republicans to taking back the house majority in the 2020 midterms, that it is more important, and we had forecasted the numbers to be on the low end and maybe 20 at the maximum 30, and -- maximum 50, and 35 in the sweet spot, and so kevin mccarthy then asking them not to vote for it, so 35 of the members to buck the leadership demonstrates how important they believe it is. >> and ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you very much. and so joining me is the cnn political analyst john avalon and kierstin powers, and you should have special theme music,

and avalon and powers or powers and avalon, and you know, john, i would put her name above yours, and so the republicans standing up for the truth, and just 35, but in today's standards that a lot of republicans, and they are doing everything to kill this january 6th commission, and mcconnell bowing to trump the here, and does this bill stand a chance in the senate? >> it stands a chance, but it is disgraceful that mitch mcconnell decided to sell tout trump over truth on this one, because he condemned him so clearly after the attack, and seems to have amnesia, but the fact that 35 members of the house, and backed this bill and bucked the party's leadership is a positive sign. i think that the real issue would be that isn't that this is slanted or biased and it is not, and it is eventually negotiated, and if it is a situation like the vice chair does not have the

ability to hire staff like susan collins mentioned, it can be addressed, bru the d addressed, but are the republicans going to seriously filibuster this, and plus all of the democrats that is a case for filibuster reform to block the ability to reason together after the massive attack on the capitol is so disgraceful that i hope that reason might prevail. >> wow. what you said is a long way down the road, john. >> yeah, man, no, i hear you. >> i don't disagree with you, but it is a long way down the road. if zen republicans in the senate crossover -- seven crossover, that is something. kirsten, about 30 members of the capitol police sent a scathing letter to congress in part and i quote here, it is inconceivable that some the members that we protect would downplay the events of january 6th, and member safety was dependent on the members of the uspc and it

is a privileged assumption for the members to have the point of view that it wasn't that bad. that privilege exists because of the brave men and women of the uscp protected you, the members. so kirsten, this is coming the same day that the fbi released new disturbing video that the rioters attacked police, and are there more people who could be persuaded by that and you could get more than seven or ten? >> well, it is going to be hard and not a given just because they voted for impeachment they would crossover, and a lot of them are expressing skepticism about it, and the fact that mitch mcconnell has been clear about where he stands on it, you can be sure that people are going to be paying attention to that. i think that, you know, what you referenced about that letter is just so powerful. you would think that just on a human level that senators would

be moved by something like that, right? it would affect them, and the people who literally risked their lives are saying to them, and people who they always say they are aligned with, and blue lives matter, and they are claiming that they stand with the police, and yet look at what they are doing. they are not listening to them, and they don't seem to, and a lot of the republicans are not listening to them, i should say s and big number of them crossing over, and so typically in the past, this would have been a no brainer, or a bipartisan commission, and it is not that we have to put it in context that for today, yes, that is a lot of people, but typically at any time in history, this would be bipartisan. >> and 175 others did not. did not. >> right. >> and john, the insurrectionists were trying to kill the former vice president. remember this? >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence.

hang mike pence. >> but congressmen -- okay. greg pence, mike pence's own brother still one of the 175 house republicans to oppose this commission, i mean -- what is that telling you? >> it tells you how hyperpartisanship rots brain and twists moral sense of people who should know better. this is not just party over country, and this is party over family. they wanted to kill his brother. and still they can't find the -- >> i would not be able to go near my family near the holidays fi did something like that, because i would not be able to go near the rest of the family gatherings or cookouts if i did that. and now, kirsten, he is worried

about being subpoenaed, and he said, well, i have no concern about that, and that is somebody playing politics with it, and not wanting to get to the core of what happened. so be real here. of course he is concerned. he is the one who is playing politic, and if he wants to get to the core of what happened, he would support a investigation, because they get to the core of what happened. so he is taking a page of the trump playbook here. >> look, liz cheney said that he should be concerned about being subpoenaed, so i am sure that he is absolutely concerned about it. so i think that the republicans obviously do not see a commission being in their political interests, and this is the reason that they are, you know, largely not supporting this. and that is going to tell us everything that we need to know, and why would it not be in your political interest to have this investigated, because it is going to remind people how complicit the political party is

supporting the president who incited this, and so they are putting the politics into, and i am not surprised when people are being political, and there are sometimes in our history where parties do come together over very serious events that happen to the entire country, and this is is going to be typically one where they come together. >> and the grand kids are going to read about it in the history book, and wait, are you related to mccarthy? and the kid is going to be like, nope, don't know him [ laughter ] thank you. >> for real. >> and that is the truth. thank you, both. i appreciate it. and now, joining us is ambassador from roam, and first, thank you for the reaction to the republican minority leaders of the house, and the senate

advocating of the commission investigating the insurrection, and they are as my last guest said putting the party over the country >> well, don, thank you for having me, and nice to be on your show. i think that, don, what this is all about it is not about right or left, but it is about right or wrong. it is not about democrats or republicans, but it is about our capital, our sacred capital and our constitution. it is not about talking points. it is about seeking the truth. and the house of representatives, i thought that we had a very strong showing of truth today, and 252-175 votes. that is not close. 35 republicans split with a whip organization in the house to try to get them to go to other way. they voted with a bipartisan bill between benny thompson, a

democrat, and moderate republican from new york. this is showing the momentum going to the united states senate. i disagree with the analysts, and i'm a midwestern, and i'm optimistic about the country and i believe that the senate can work with this and i believe we will come up with ten votes to get this created. >> and so, why do you say that because of what you said or do you want to go deeper? >> well, i have talked to some of the staffs, and the senators, and talked to a ton of house members and republicans. i think that there is a conscience there, don. people are worried about our government being attacked. this reminds a lot of people of the terrorist attack on 9/11. we didn't have foreign terrorists this time, and these were americans killing americans and attacking our law enforcement, and threatening the

vice president and speaker and chasings custodians and speaker around the house and with sharp objects and threatening to spray and kill them. this is a serious attack on our government and freedom and law enforcement community. i think that we will come together on this. and don, what are the options? the president of the united states, a democrat could create a commission, and do the republicans want that? the speaker ter of the house co create a select committee, and do they want to do that or a process where the senator collins could say, change the date a little bit or staff, and we could do that, and the republican senators have every right to weigh in, and try to change parts of the house bill. >> listen, i don't disagree with you that this is about right versus wrong. but it is the republican party

that will have been the party that would have stopped this from going through, and the reason i say that is because without understanding exactly what happened that day, and holding people accountable, ambassador, are we looking at the possibility of every four years people questioning the legitimacy of the election if they don't win? >> don, that is precisely the question. we had a fair and free election. we had more voters than any time since 1900. we had republicans standing up to fight against president trump in georgia to insist that the vote count was fair. we cannot ever have our fair constitutional process which was taking place in the capitol when this mob, this assault attacked our peaceful process of transfer of government. we can't have this in 2022 or 2024, and if you remember, don,

the chinese came to negotiate with the united states in alaska over a month ago, and one of the things that they led with to attack america before the negotiations in an open session was america is divided, and they can't govern anymore, and they are not a global power anymore, and that should unite some republicans to vote for an independent thorough commission on the senate side so that we get to the bottom of what happened. we seek truth, and we seek justice in this opportunity, and we never let this happen to our people our capitol and our constitution again. i am hopeful. i'm skeptical and i'm hopeful. >> i feel you. i can't disagree with you. i am september cal, but hopeful, and what else? we have to be, and we have to keep moving the culture and the country in the right direction, and so we have to be hopeful in that way. thank you, ambassador. i will see you soon. >> thank you, don.

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new tonight, the new york attorney general's office has opened up a criminal tax investigation into the trump organ organization's top official, and cnn is told that top cfo is being sought to join the manhattan criminal district attorney's office against the trump organization. so what does this mean? jennifer, it is a lot of attorneys and attorney generals, and to get through here. so, help us with this.

allen weisselberg, and we have talked about him a lot in the program, and in the news, and he has handled the trump organization's finances for 40 year, and now there is pressure from both the attorney general's office, and attorney general,'s office, and so what does that mean? >> if they succeed in getting al the cfo to flip, he knows the inside and out, and where all of the bodies are buried and it would be huge, but i am not optimistic, because they have been going after weissleburg for years. when they were going after stormy daniels' payments, they had to offer him immunity to talk, and so i am not sure they will get there. we will see.

>> when they grilled eric trump in october, the investigation was civil and it has been under way since 2019, and now it has become criminal. and that is a breaking news last night. what could have pushed for this change? what happened? >> well, you know, these investigation often start on the civil side at the attorney general's office, anded they have both criminal and civil jurisdiction, but a huge part of the work is on the civil side, and so they will start things on that side of the house. they do their discovery, and their investigation, and then if they determine that they are finding evidence that this dictates that it should be a criminal matter, and the wrongdoing is serious enough, and meets all of the legal requirements then they take it criminal, and that appears to what has happened here, and the wrinkle is that they have joined forces with the manhattan d.a.'s office to investigate criminally together, and that is rare. >> so what kind of evidence

could they have to be joining forces? >> well, they have been doing the civil investigation, and depositions, and reviewed hundreds of thousands if not millions of documents and spoken to witnesses and that sort of evidence, and so they will have really good sense of what the trump organization looks like in terms of how it runs, and in terms of the finances, and so as they do that and try to figure out whether the trump organization is breaking the law in a way that ought to be handled on the civil side or the regulatory side, they are collecting evidence, and if it appears to them that it is a serious enough matter, and warrants criminal prosecution, that is when they kick it over to the other side, but the evidence is not that different frankly, but it is evidence of wrongdoing, and problems with the books, and the evidence of committing tax fraud or bank fraud or whatever the case may be. >> this is trump org which is run by his children, right?

but how harmful is this development for trump, personally, and his family and the trump organization, all of it? >> well, it depends, because, you know, he was running it up until he became president, and maybe it is that some of the practices that were in place and continued into the statute of limitations period were started by him, and so we don't know what if anything were charged and they could charge the corporation, itself, or the former president personally, if they find evidence or eric trump or don trujr. or we are not sur what they would charge if they have the proof. >> and so sighcy vance will be leaving the office by the end of the year, and will this be wrapped up by the end of the year? >> yes, and i am hearing that since he has done all of the work and progressed, he wants to

take that final step, and decide to charge it or not, and so i am hearing by this summer. >> so by this summer? >> certainly this year, and by this summer. and that was being talked about this summer. >> thank you. and so it is a conspiracy theory on top of a conspiracy theory, and so turning the sites on another charade, the sham audit in arizona. is what business is all about. it's what the united states postal service has always been about. so as your business changes, we're changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide. same day shipping across town. returns right from the doorstep, and deliveries seven days a week. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.

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>> qanon supporters are focusing their support on the sham audit of maricopa county, arizona.

some officials are admit nag the awe -- admitting that the audit is pointless, but some are pushing insane conspiracy theories, but this is what i was told last night. >> it is the most craziest conspiracy theory by far is that one of the board of supervisors who happens to own a very large chicken farm took ballots from the 2020 election and fed them to 165,000 chickens and then had them incinerated. and what actually happened is that this poor man had a serious fire at one of his barns and 165,000 chickens did die. but the idea that they had ballots inside of them, and it is -- you know, and people legitimate people indulge this. >> cnn's guy sullivan joins me now. hi, donne, and why is this audit

in arizona getting so much attention in the qanon world? >> well, if you are thinking about it, this audit is a conspiracy theory coming to life in some way, because it would not be happening if people were not trying to prove that the big lie is true in some ways, and so really this is what the conspiracy theorists and the qanon folks are wanting to see is like this, an audit like you are hearing there is what all of the ridiculous stuff is going around, and listen to my pillow ceo mike lindell. >> how key is the successful outcome in arizona to the case that you are making? >> it is huge. it is huge, because it is going to b and then you will have the smoking is gun, and then you have all of the proof that we have, and the example of the proof. >> look, don, look, a lot of the stuff is just obviously, really, really dumb like you heard there with the chicken stuff, but, you

know, we have seen unfortunately how, you know, in the period between november, december right up to the 6th of january, this is the b.s. that we were hearing and the sort of thing that led to the insurrection, and so unfortunately it cannot be ignored. >> and twitter banned the qanon accounts, and they -- excuse me, it is 4.8 million times used in the first quarter of 2020, and that is according to the bbc analysis, and so does this show the social media platforms can crackdown on the disinformation if they want to and by deplatforming some people, it does crackdown on the disinformation? >> well, it does have an impact, but what it is showing is that qanon was growing exponentially last year, and the platforms are

negligent and festered throughout the pandemic, and so they only started to do anything about it over the summer, and youtube didn't do anything about it until the election, and so i remember going to the trump rallies in september and speaking to the vendors selling merchandise and they said that there was an explosion of the merchandise saying that it had happen and maybe if the platforms had acted sooner maybe some of it had been avoided, but the numbers seem low now, and people have figured out ways to get around them using new term, and of course, different plat forms as well. >> all of that said then, without the major twitter accounts, will qanon find a way to have an impact on the 2022 midterms? >> well, you will be seeing the republican candidates who are running on the qanon platforms and in particular the candidates seeking to unseat anti-trump

candidates like liz cheney in wyoming and this may be bleeding into the midterm, and those candidates running on the qanon platform in the qanon caucus. >> we love to see you nout the field and dressed nup a tie in the studio doing this as well. >> thank you, don. >> thank you, donie. and now, $4 billion in relief for farmers despite the discrimination, and the reason of the holdup? the banks say it would cut into their profits. [ crowd cheering ] [ engine revving ] [ race light countdown ] ♪

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billions set aside in the rescue plan for black farmers designed to end a psyche of debt and discrimination now in limbo. $5 billion in total, and $4 billion the relieve the outstanding debt of black farmers, but the banks say they don't want the debt paid off right away, because it is going to cut into their profits and three letters of the biggest banks to the department of agricultural says this. the usda should make sure that the lenders are made whole for compensated for lost income due

to these loan payoffs. so john, thank you for joining us. what do you think? do these banks still want to profit off of your debts even though you are entitled to have them paid off? >> well, first of all, don, thank you for having me. this is a national disgrace. here is the banking industry who was bailed out by american people, tax paying citizens like me and you writing the secretary of agriculture, bad mouthing black farmers and farmers of color, and so here we are after 30 years of trying to get that relief, and you know, through an act of congress, and finally able to be successful to do that, and thank you for those who led the way on, that and now we have to fight the banking industry. these are the people who should be lending money to black farmers and fairly and equally, an instead, they are writing and complaining about how much more money they are going to make, and what about the black farmers

foreclosed on and suffering and some of the black farmers who were not lent money by the top ten banks in this country, and i have been raising this issue with the occ and the federal reserve to for a long time, don, about the lack of loans to black farmers. it is not that many guaranteed loans in the first place. so they should be doing a whole lot more, instead of trying to help us, they are speaking out against us, and don, never have a bank on a support letter for lobbying congress all of these years. they never say, john boyd, how can i help you the end some discrimination at the department of agriculture, and increase the loans, but they quickly sent this letter to the department of agriculture. >> and john, they say that if the lenders are not compensated for the potential losses, maybe access to the disadvanced

farmers in the future. >> that is a threat. don, that is a threat. we are not getting the loans from agriculture department, and if we were, we would be getting guaranteed loans and not direct loan, and now the banking system, and the very people to extend the credit fairly and equally in the country threatening the black farmers by sag that if you get the debt relief, we won't lend any more money to the black farmers. they need to be held accountable. today, i reached out to representative waters office, and the financial services committee, and i asked them to take a strong look at the letters and bring them before the committee so that the members of congress can ask them what is going on here, and why are you picking on the black farmers and indsstead of tryingo help them, you are trying to hurt them. >> what is happening on the ground here. what is the status of the relief? have you farmers been getting

the money >> we have not been getting money, and i have be trying to urge secretary vilsack to move quickly to get money to farmers and farmers of color -- >> it is planting season. >> we need the money now, and we have everybody who is against the measure to come tout and speak against, and after so long, the agriculture says they need to listen and learn, and that is the wrong thing to say to black farmers and this is the secretary who i am urging to get the debt relief out to black farmers and set up the process to get technical assistance and outreach to those farmers who are discriminated against, and that is what the bill says. when they foreclose on the black farmer, you will see they do it within 30 days. if you are not able to pay the money within 30 days, they will

foreclose in 30 days. >> a group of white farmers have sued the usda arguing discri discrimination, and i wanted to play what secretary vilsack said. >> taking you back 20 to 30 years when we know for a fac that socially disadvanced producers were discriminated and we have reimbursed the people in the past, but we have never dealt with the cumulative effect. when you looking at the covid relief packages pass and distributed by the usda prior to the american rescue plan, and who disproportionately received the benefits of the covid payments, it is quite clear that the white farmers did pretty well. >> so he is saying that the money designed for the social disadvantaged farmers is to deal with the cumulative effects of discrimination. what do you say to the white farmers who find that unfair? >> well, i will tell you how many times can you be paid here,

don? that is what i am saying to the american, and the white farmers who have been getting 99% of the monies at the united states department of agriculture, and since the 1990s half a trillion have been paid in subsidies to white farmers in the country, and this year, 0.5% went to black farmers. 8 of 10 loan applications in the state of texas and the other denied by the united states department of agriculture to black farmers and we have serious issues here at the united states department of agriculture, and the white farmers are saying that they don't want us to have the debt relief either. they need to look at the history, because they it is a is reverse discrimination or not fair. well, you stole the land from indians, and then stole it from the blacks and the enslaved blacks a sharecroppers and jim crow, and it is time for the blacks to get some relief from the federal government.

>> john boyd jr., we will follow this story, and thank you for appearing on the program. >> thank you, don, for having me. >> we will be right back. my garden is my therapy. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com.

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i want to bring in now, director of the center for child health, behavior, and development, at seattle's children's hospital. he is also the editor in chief of jama pediatrics. important guy. thank you for joining us, sir. i'm glad you're here. the cdc's latest guidance on masks, great news. but for parents of kids, who are -- who are too young to be vaccinated. there is concern, and there is confusion, as well. what are you telling the parents you talk to? what are you telling them to do? >> well, you know, i agree. the cdc guidelines are giving us, all, a little bit of whiplash. understandably, the science is changing. but -- but it's -- it's hard to square them. it seems a little bit, at times, like pretzel logic. let me lay it out the way i see it. and i think it's quite simple. i think, for children 12 and older, there is a vaccine. and thankfully. and i'm gratified to hear that so many children are availing themselves of it.

and once they are vaccinated, they should have all of the benefits that are, currently, being accrued to adults, right? they should, also, be able to not have to mask, outside, inside, et cetera. but, for younger children, for whom the vaccine is not available right now, here is the way i see it. they shouldn't have to wear masks outside. we know that the virus is not transmitted outside, now, very readily. and we, also, know that young children are less prone to transmit it, anyway. i think that they shouldn't have to wear masks around known-vaccinated people, indoors. whether it's their family or their friends. if their parents can be assured that the people that they're around are vaccinated, everyone can unmask. >> okay. well, let me take you through some situations. >> go ahead. >> so the one you are talking about. so two families. you are saying two families, vaccinated adults, unvaccinated

kids. they can get together and let their kids play outdoors without masks, correct? is that what you said? >> oh, i think, all children should be able to play outdoors unmasked, at this point. but i am talking about indoors. >> indoors, though, they should be masked? >> i'm sorry, what'd you say? >> indoors, should children be masked? >> i think they should be masked indoors if they are under 12, unvaccinated, and they are around people of unknown-vaccination status. and why do i say that? i say that, because there are people that are unvaccinated. who are -- are at risk. and children can transmit the virus. and so, it's the -- it's the decent thing to do. and i think, parents of young children, who are -- who need to mask in those situations, should also mask to set a good example for them. >> where do you stand on vaccines for kids under 12? how soon can we expect them? >> so, i think that, from what i'm reading, it will likely be

approved, under emergency-use authorization, in the fall. but i want to say this. and it's really an important point. the younger the children are, the less risk they have from the disease. they -- they can, still, spread it. but they are at lower risk for disease. we need to trust the science, and make sure that it's safe for them to get it. >> today, utah's house passed a bill that will prohibit its public schools and universities requiring mask mandates after the end of the school year. are we at that -- this point, yet? i know you want to talk about schools, overall. so, go. what do you have to say? >> i think, prohibiting masks is -- is regressive. and frankly, political. i don't -- i don't understand why -- why anyone would do that. it -- it should be viewed, at the end of the day, as a personal choice that people make. it took us a long time to get used to masks. it's going to take us a long time to get unused to them. and -- and -- and no one knows anybody's individual story.

what challenges they're dealing with. who might be at home that they're worried about infecting. what their own, personal risks are. but i -- i -- i think that, you know, the real role that schools can play, whether it's primary school, secondary schools, or colleges. is what's started in seattle, which is making schools sites for vaccination. seattle didn't open their schools early enough and i have been very critical of them, for that. but making them a site for vaccinations is really a good thing. those of us that promote equity and inclusion, frequently, say we need to bring more people to the table. but better yet, bring the table to more people. and vaccinating in schools does that. it makes it easier for families to get their children vaccinated. schools are accessible. they're in neighborhoods. people know where they are. they trust them. we should be doing more of that. not just for kids but for adults. >> everybody. yeah.

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