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for ac 360 with anderson cooper. moments ago the united states secretary general said he welcomed the news. we'll have live reporting of what went into it. and new reporting only on cnn about the trump justice department targeting a cnn journalist, and we have new information about whether or not booster shots will be needed for people who got the covid vaccine. first we begin with republican lawmakers and their pursuit of herd immunity from the facts of january 6th. gop senators voicing objections to the bill the house sent them to set up a bipartisan 9/11 style commission to investigate. as for house republican leader kevin mccarthy who have gone so far as to lobby senators about the bill, he spoke out today, and because he's known to be about as hard to read a flashing neon sign, his answers to reporters are fascinating. for background, remember his republicans colleagues have been telling cnn he's against a
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commission because he's afraid he'll have to testify in front of it, which he denies. listen to him today with the bill's senate passage deeply in doubt. >> do you think it's a conflict of interest for members to vote on a commission that might potentially have to be witnesses for and provide information on. >> no, because who knows what they're going to do on the commission. no, i don't think so. >> now, without reading too much into it, he sounds like a man at ease, fully expecting the bill he opposed to go nowhere. on the other hand he was not at ease with the next question which proved to be a conversation ender. >> no i don't think so. >> are you absolutely certain that none of your members were in any communication with any of the people who stormed capitol hill? >> thank you for the question. everybody have a nice day. >> his answer was hard to hear, but his discomfort was plain to see, but thank you for the question, he said. he wasn't even under oath. that said, he could probably still breathe easy now that a number of key republicans, including some who voted to remove the former president from office are expressing doubts
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about the bill in front of them or flat out opposing them. senator richard burr said the investigation is being well handled by existing committees. rob portman said a commission is unnecessary. he said a pair of senate committees have already looked into the attack. but then when pressed by m mm manu raju said it will be the attack but not the events leading up to it. susan collins has objected to wording they say sets it apart from the bill establishing the 9/11 commission. cnn has polled the language of both bills and found both were structured the same way. senator collins raised concerns that the commissions work could spill over into an election year, yet she fully supported the 9/11 commission which held half a dozen televised hearings in the middle of 2004 presidential campaign. it's almost as if she and other republicans are straining for something to justify the outcome they want, which kind of sounds familiar. remember their arguments against
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the second impeachment hearings? >> i'm a juror, i'm going to keep an open mind as we go through this. i think this constitutionality issue has to be addressed. >> we're going to be spending six, seven, eight nine days, doing nothing but a stupid impeachment trial. >> we're talking about a standard of inciting violence. i don't think this meets that standard. >> this is a partisan crusade. it's revenge. it's vindictive. >> it can be inexcusable yet not subject to a conviction after a president has left office. >> keep in mind, this is what they were bending over backwards to excuse back then, it's what they're closing their eyes to now, and senator thune said so out loud, telling cnn he does not want to be what he calls relitigating the 2020 election. keep in mind, that's not what a commission is about. it's about an actual attack on democracy, which you're witnessing on republicans and democrats and police officers and the american people. it is an event unique in
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american history. senator thune and all the other members of congress voting against a thorough examination of it. they know it. their arguments are largely intellectually dishonest, and honestly, that only makes it worse. joining us senator maisie hirono, democrat of hawaii. what does it say that this january 6th commission bill seems to be basically dead on arrival in the senate? >> it's just as you say. it's their pursuit of her immunity for what happened on january 6th. they're closing their eyes, ears, everything to what happened. they are afraid to get to the bottom of it. they might actually be subpoenaed to testify on what they knew, what they did. all of that. >> kevin mccarthy was lobbying your senate republican colleagues to oppose the commission the morning after the president roeleased a statement
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to release the bill. do you think that's a coincidence? >> not at all. they're still totally afraid of former president trump. it's just amazing so they've handed over all of this power to trump to continue to hold sway over them. it's more than pathetic. it's cowardly, and all i can say is that the palpable fear that they have of trump is making them do all kinds of things that i don't know how they look at themselves in the mirror. >> i mean, i understand kevin mccarthy who, you know, wants the power and he's up for reelection every two years. mitch mcconnell, i mean, he's folded to the former president, even though he criticized the former president. he's 79 years old. not up for reelection until 2026, why is he doing that? >> maybe he's afraid for some of his members who are running for reelection. they want to run away from the truth of what happened on
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january 6th. so a lot of his members rely on mitch mcconnell for the resources they need to run for reelection. i can tell you that. there's a lot of dark money behind these elections. and maybe that's what's going on. they will never admit it. the fact is that they are not doing this country any favors. they're certainly not doing democracy any favors. they're not doing any favors for the capitol police who bore the brunt of the violence that occurred on january 6th. so all they're doing is benefitting trump. speaker pelosi has strongly suggested that she'd approve a special select committee in the house to investigate what led to the insurrection, is that a back up plan. do you worry republicans would just paint it as a completely partisan effort? >> of course they will. because people who don't even
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want an independent commission are definitely going to paint a select committee doing the work as also partisan. that is where they are. not only do they not want an independent commission. they are prepared to criticize a select committee, which is the reason that speaker pelosi wanted an independent commission. so why don't we just all face up to the fact that they totally do not want to face up to the truth of what happened on january 6th and any responsibility that trump had because they are deathly afraid of trump and his face. >> president biden signed the covid-19 hate crimes act addressing hate crimes. you introduced the bill. 62 of your republican colleagues in the house, your senate republican colleague josh hawley voted against it. do you understand their vote against it? >> we have people like marjorie
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taylor smith and others of her ilk on the house side, what can i say, at least on the senate side everyone saw what we all saw, which was all of these depictions of api community people getting beaten up, sometimes with bystanders standing by doing nothing. >> marjorie taylor greene, by the way. >> you said marjorie taylor smith, it's marjorie taylor greene, i believe. >> oh, sorry. thank you for that correction. but, you know, i don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out what the house members are doing, at least on the senate side, they do not turn away from the opportunity to stand with the api community. and except for one person we won't talk about. so that was really important to the api community that for once, the senate and now the house and the president, of course, stood with them from the very
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beginning as he saw the rise in hate crimes in apis, that we are standing firmly in condemnation of these kinds of crimes, and in doing so, we are also standing up for other marginalized and discriminated against groups. so today was a good day for those of us who, you know, stand with this community, and want to do something about it, and i'm glad that the attorney general was also there because he has also begun his own actions and before this bill even passed. but he told me that he is going to implement the provisions of this bill so that these kinds of crimes, which are very under reported will be reported. >> senator hirono, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. aloha. >> one quick note in the preceding segment, we identified senator john thune, it was rob portman of ohio. coming up next, imagine being told by police your loved
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one died after crashing his car into a tree, only discovering years later when parts of a body cam video are released, the police tased, punched, kicked and dragged your loved one by his feet before you died. that is the family of ronald green says happened, and they want answers. we'll show you the tape in a moment, and there's breaking news tonight on the investigation. then later, live reports from the middle east. washington, as white house pressure brings a cease fire between washington and hamas. t e given humanity! fuel for vast migrations! sustenance for mountaineering expeditions and long journeys across the world! but most importantly? they give us something to eat when we drink beer. planters. a nut above. incomparable design makes it beautiful. state of the art technology, makes it brilliant. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2021 nx 300 for $349 a month for 36 months. experience amazing, at your lexus dealer. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at how much you've saved, how much you'll need,
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there is outrage over newly obtained video showing a black man being tased kicked and dragged by louisiana state troopers after struggling with officers following a traffic stop that took place two years ago. a chase had been involved. the video shows a dramatically different outcome than the initial crash report filed immediately after the incident, saying only ronald green was not wearing his seat belt when the crash happened, that he was pronounced dead at a local
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hospital. the family's attorneys have filed a wrongful death lawsuit. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: ronald green is under arrest after taking police on a high speed chase in monroe, louisiana. watch what happens next. >> okay. okay. >> reporter: the officers tase green while he is still sitting in his car. he apologizes and repeatedly tells officers he's scared as they try to force him out of the vehicle. >> okay. okay. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> get out of the car. >> i'm scared. i'm scared. i'm your brother. i'm scared. >> reporter: the family's attorney says green apologized in an attempt to surrender. >> it's not only what you're seeing but the sounds that go with it, you can hear him screaming and writhing in pain. as he says i'm your brother, please stop. i'm sorry. i was just scared. >> reporter: the incident
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happened two years ago, but this is newly obtained body cam video by t"the associated press" whic says the entire video is 46 minutes long. cnn has not reviewed the full video so we do not know what happened before or in between the three clips the ap released. this body cam video shows green on the ground being handcuffed. he's face down, yet once again, the officers tase him, punch him, even kick him. he's left on the ground face down moaning in pain, according to "the associated press" for more than nine minutes, while the officers use sanitizer wipes to get the blood off their hands and faces. the ap says he was not given any aid during the nine minutes he was on the ground. at one point, a police officer is seen stepping on green, then roughly dragging green by the shackles on his ankles as
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another officer watches. this video clip is silent, so it's unclear what's being said or why green, who is handcuffed on his stomach and in no position to resist is being dragged. the body cam footage tells a very different story than how louisiana state troopers first described the incident in their 2019 report, which said troopers tried to pull green over for a traffic violation, which ended when green crashed his car. another police report said green was taken into custody after resisting arrest and a struggle with troopers and that he died on the way to the hospital. a wrongful death suit filed last year by greene's family said police told his family he had been killed in an auto accident and that one officer said he was killed immediately after hitting a tree. authorities have refused to make the video public. these postmortem photos of greene released on the naacp baton rouge facebook page show
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the extent of the injuries greene suffered during the incident. abrasions on his skull and bruising across his cheeks. ronald greene's mother told cnn in a statement, they murdered him, that her son didn't have a chance. >> i mean, it is incredibly disturbing that tape, and that's just a fraction of it. that was leaked. what else are we learning about this case? >> well, just tonight, anderson, we're getting some new information. we now know that a state police official telling cnn, telling me colleague nick valencia, this source has knowledge of the incident, he says from the start this was a criminal investigation from that night. this source is saying. he points to the local news coverage. he says he doesn't know where this narrative came from that ronald greene died from that crash that night. he said this was a criminal investigation from day one, according to the source, and just a couple of -- a little bit of information we're also learning about the officers who were involved. two of the officers involved
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were reprimanded for their actions, in some part really just for how they were using their body camera or not using their body camera. you saw there was some of that video that was silent. one of the officers is on administrative leave, not related to this case but to another incident, and another of the officers who you saw in that video got a 50-hour suspension. so that's just a couple of days off the job. that's from the louisiana state police, and a third officer died in a single vehicle crash last september last year. so the family's attorney tonight very upset about this, demanding that these officers be arrested right away. and we can also tell you that the u.s. department of justice civil rights division is investigating along with the fbi and the u.s. attorneys office, anderson. >> i appreciate it. let's get perspective from charles ramsey, senior cnn law enforcement analyst, the former top cop in washington, d.c. and ben, the former president of the naacp, and peace way, chief ramsey, is there any justification for dragging a
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handcuffed suspect face down by the feet along concrete? i mean, what does -- does anything you saw in that video make sense to you? >> no. no, it doesn't. and there's nothing in any manual anywhere in the united states that allows for dragging an individual face down by their ankles. you know, clearly it is a case of excessive force, i mean, between the tasing, kicking, beating, having him in a prone position for that length of time, even though no one was sitting on him in george floyd's case, that's still a position that's very difficult to breathe. part of your training tells you, as soon as you get him up, roll him over or sit him up, in order for them to be able to breathe. in fact, when mr. greene tries to roll over, one of the troopers puts his foot on his lower back, and pushes him back down. this is a very troubling case.
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at 2 years old, there's no excuse for this to be held for two years, and certainly the conflict in the reporting. i mean, clearly, if the reports are accurate, they were lying, i mean, it's a cover up. the statement's being made are not consistent with what the video is showing, and that's a problem in and of itself. >> ben, just, you know, we saw in the george floyd case, the initial police report that was put out which, you know, essentially said mr. floyd had a medical incident, and police called the paramedics as though they were the saviors in that case. the police report in this is just the same kind of thing. it's, you know, anybody looking at this would start to believe you cannot trust any police report or, you know, initial reports that are put out by police departments. it certainly raises questions about how many other incidents there are like this that never come to light. >> it does, and we know from the
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files of the naacp that we have been working cases like this from our very beginning. one of thurgood marshall's earliest cases was a black motorist who bumped a white woman, and was never seen again. he got a conviction of the officer, he got the local officer to prosecute back in the 1930s. what we know here is that we see something that looks a lot like murder, and it was covered up for two years. these officers are likely guilty of murder, and any officer who covered it up is an accessory after the fact. we have to begin going after the no snitching culture of the cops, and we have to deal with the ones who cover up crimes like this as the criminals they are full stop, and then we have to deal with unions who enforce this culture of silence. we can no longer call you a good officer if you're silent. chief ramsey knows what i know. we have worked on a lot of these cases together over the years. he in his role, me in mine, and what you know is this, 10% or so of the officers are bad.
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10% or so have the courage to stand up, and 80% are silent and it's the unions that enforce that silence, and it has to stop. >> chief ramsey, these troopers, they are literally wiping the blood off their hands and i guess their uniforms or their faces for minutes while this man is lying down moaning. it's -- it's really just -- i mean, i've seen this now several times throughout the day. one wonder, this tape is 46 mi minutes long. the leaked part is only a few minutes. who knows what else is on this tape? why haven't authorities -- is there some -- is there no standard for releasing body camera footage? is it just up to local police departments to decide? >> well, each jurisdiction is different. sometimes it's up to the police department. sometimes it's the courts that make the determination, but, you
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know, something like this. you just cannot keep it quiet. i go back to the chicago incident with laquan mcdonald where that was a year before that tape was shown, and again, you had a situation where the report did not match what you saw on the video. this is an incredible situation, policing in the united states finds itself in right now, and the only way out of it is through transparency, dealing with this head on, and dealing with the reality that we've got some people that should not be wearing a uniform, wearing a badge or carrying a gun, period, and we've got to find a way to weed them out. it's got to become easier to fire an officer. it is very difficult to get rid of an officer, but the leadership has to have the will to put this out and make sure that they take care of it. there's no reason for this to have been held for wo years, and there's no reason for these reports. the public may not have seen the video. people within the organization
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saw the video and the alarm bell should have gone off right there. >> a state official now unnamed is saying that louisiana state police were investigating green, the incident as a criminal matter the night of his death. that was two years ago. i mean, if they were investigating this as a criminal matter and according to randi kaye, some of the punishments were more about them turning off the body cam sound than actually the death of mr. greene, it seems. >> well, look, we have cops running departments of cops and then we have cops investigate the crimes of cops. you know, we have civilians run the u.s. department of defense for a reason. it's a check on the power of the generals. maybe it's time to have civilians run our public safety departments, run our police departments. >> would that make a difference, do you think, then? >> oh, absolutely, transparency, and civilian oversight would make a huge difference, and the reality is that policing in our
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country is a state by state, city by city, county by county matter, and i would say the most courageous thing i've seen, since the chauvin trial started was on day three, the mayor of ithaca, new york, passed unanimously through a city council a provision to turn his police department into a public safety department, run by civilians, and have half of the positions be ununiformed, unarmed social workers because half the work is that. and it's time for us to really just ask what do we need to be safe now, because the inertia from slave patrols and old regiments of red coats, that inertia to today, that culture eats good policy for lunch every day. we got to break the policy. civilian oversight would go a long way. >> charles ramsey, ben jealous, i appreciate your time. >> break the culture. >> yeah, i appreciate it. thank you.
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how our switch squad makes it easy to switch and save hundreds. more breaking news now, it involves one of our own pentagon correspondent barbara starr, but at its heart, the story striking revolutions about the justice department in the prior administration ultimately concerns all of us. it involves our right to know what our government is up to as
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well as our shared vital interests and the government not abusing its power. joining us with the exclusive details is cnn's jessica schneider, what did you learn. >> we learned the trump administration secretly obtained records from our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. we don't know, anderson, why they were obtained. they aren't telling our pentagon correspondent why they were obtained. we know the doj got ahold of phone and e-mail records. those records show who she was corresponding with but not the content of the conversations and we know that during that time, barbara starr reported on u.s. military options being prepared for president trump on north korea, as well as stories on syria and afghanistan. but, you know, since starr's records were secretly obtained, anderson, and all of the court proceedings surrounding ate approval for the process are sealed, there is still a lot of mystery here as to why the justice department was seeking her records and what exactly
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this pertained to. we don't know if this was a leak investigation or some other investigation. doj is just not saying, anderson. >> and do we know the reason why these records were obtained from barbara? >> yeah, we don't know. this was all done in secret, and it's interesting because under the media guidelines here, the attorney general and at the time it was bill barr throughout all of 2020, when these records were received. he actually had to approve of pursuing these records, and then the case had to be made in court that the reporters didn't have to be notified because it could possibly jeopardize national security or jeopardize the investigation itself. so this was all done in secret and we have no information except for the fact that the records were obtained. now, as for the former attorney general bill barr, i have reached out to him for comment. he has not responded, and the justice department here, the current justice department, anderson, has made clear that this was all done under the trump administration. >> so it's not known what evidence was offered by the department of justice to obtain these records? >> exactly right. all of this was done in court
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under seal, and in secret. so presumably they had to make a case as to why they needed these records, and as to why they didn't need to notify cnn or our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr, but all of that is still under seal. we are not privy to it. we don't have access to it. it's all secret. >> also just, you know, just recently revealed that three "washington post" reporters were told this month that they had their records obtained during the trump administration. >> right. so this is what makes this even more significant, this news coming out today about barbara starr's records. it was just a few weeks ago that we learned that three "washington post" reporters had their records obtained from also in 2017, and this is significant because this is the second time in just a few weeks that we've learned that reporters from two organizations, cnn and the "washington post," were targeted. and these were two organizations, obviously,
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anderson that the former president donald trump repeatedly railed against, and then the doj got their records. >> i appreciate it. thanks. legal analyst, and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rogers. can you walk us in laymen's terms, the doj process for obtaining a journalist's phone calls and e-mails. >> anderson, when there's a criminal investigation, and jessica said we don't know the substance. it might be a leak investigation or something like it, of course the department of justice can issue subpoenas, and for reporters it's a little bit of a different process. there are stricter procedures in place because of the importance and centrality of reporters work to our democracy. those procedures are actually strengthened in 2015. but what they have to do is they have to go to a special unit within doj for the first step of approval, and they have to go 30 days in advance of when they want the records. then the attorney general has to personally sign off on this request. on this subpoena. and that's to make sure that this is really important. this is only supposed to be done
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in extraordinary cases, cases involving things like national security. not just your run of the mill criminal matter. and then as jessica said, if you want to refrain from notifying the reporter about this so that he or she could fight it in court in advance, you have to get a whole other set of approvals and reviews, so there are strict procedures in place. the problem is they're just regulations. they don't have the force of law. they're not enshrined in the constitution, and so it really relies on the good faith of the people at doj, including the attorney general, and unfortunately, bill barr, under trump's department of justice didn't act in good faith a lot of the time. we can't say for sure whether this was one of those instances, but there certainly was a pattern of behavior here that causes me to question whether this was a legitimate exercise of the subpoena power. >> i mean, the whole idea of federal authority respecting freedom of the press, not intruding on reporters phone calls and e-mails, as you said, social security essentially an honor system, if someone high up wants to know who a reporter is talking to, at least on an
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unencrypted communication device or unencrypted app, they can get that information. >> they can, and there are circumstances where that's okay. i mean, if you're really talking about an important national security matter where you have someone very high up in the government leaking classified information that's critical to national security, i think it's okay for doj to issue a subpoena like that. the problem is you want to make sure that that's the situation we're talking about. and so you can put in place all the strict procedures you want but without a law or without something in the constitution protecting these reporter privileges, you know, you're really relying on the good faith, and that's where it can break down. >> they would only have access to e-mails to phone conversations, i mean, if it was using an encrypted signal or even something with encryption like what's app, would they still have access to that? >> well, in this case, a subpoena can only get you the toll information, so it can tell you what numbers were called, how long the call was, similarly with e-mails, what e-mail
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addresses were going back and forth, not the content. to get content, you need a search warrant, which means of course a whole other level of review by a court, so that is an additional safety procedure in place, so we're not talking about content here, we're just talking about who they're talking to and for how long. >> cnn is awaiting an explanation from the justice department about exactly what this was all about. they didn't just go after barbara starr's records, they didn't just go after three "washington post" reporters' records, they tried to find out who was behind a denver nunez parody twitter account, if that's part of their priorities, that's pretty stunning to me. >> yeah, that might be the most egregious thing of all without knowing the facts because you really can't think about a reason important enough to require that to happen. at least you can theorize in a case of a reporter's records, some sort of classification something, but a parody twitter account making fun of denver nunez, you can't see a
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a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight, batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com a cease fire between israel and hamas appears to have ended 11 days of air strikes and
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rocket fire. at least 232 people have died from the air strikes, 65 of them children. israeli officials say 12 people have died as a result of fire from militants, including two children. we're joined now but our senior international correspondent ben wedeman in jerusalem and white house continue kaitlan collins at the white house. the cease fire supposedly started, what do you see there, does it look like it's holding? >> reporter: it does look like it's holding for now, but in a few years probably it will come to an end. what we're seeing is that here in jerusalem we were hearing lots of fireworks being shot off, and cars honking their horns in celebration. this is the palestinian part of town. many palestinians feel that in this round, despite the high death toll in gaza, that somehow hamas and the palestinians won this round, anderson. >> and what's the feeling among
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not only officials but from citizens in or israelis on the likelihood of this agreement succeeding? >> reporter: i think people believe that for the time being the cease fire will hold. as we saw back in 2009, 2012, and 2014, but the fact that we're just finishing the fourth war between israel and gaza since 2008, there isn't a lot of confidence that this will hold for more than just a few years. keep in mind that as far as israelis go, there was an opinion poll published on thursday that said that as many as 73% of the israeli population felt that the operation should continue because i think there is a realization that even though a cease fire has been
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worked out, the fundamental problems behind this series of wars between gaza and israel have not been resolved and will not be resolved, anderson. >> kaitlan, how big a role does the white house believe it played in getting the cease fire announced. >> reporter: i think that president biden is feeling pretty good tonight about the tactic he took here, which came under fire from progressive members of his party saying he needed to be more critical of netanyahu, he need to call for a cease fire as other democratic leaders were, nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer, and he refused to do that, he was never publicly critical of netanyahu, he never explicitly called for a cease fire, the closest he got was during the readout yesterday when he said he wanted to see significant deescalation of the violence, and what we're hearing from white house officials is president biden told aides over the last eleven days or so, netanyahu is someone i have
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known and worked with a long time. he saw how president obama and netanyahu had an icy relationship, i think he wanted to take a different approach from that. they felt like if they kept netanyahu closer and, they were not publicly critical of israel and didn't back them into a corner, they could get the violence over faster. they're feeling pretty good about that tonight. we should note that earlier when we saw president biden, he did not answer our questions about whether or not what ben was just talking act, the cease fire is going to last. >> what did he say when he spoke briefly after it was announced? >> reporter: so he definitely was supportive of israel. he talked about of course the iron dome system that they have been using in response to the rockets from hamas. and he was talking about what the u.s.'s response to that is going to look like, really what the next steps are going to look like, and this is what he said. >> the prime minister also shared with me his appreciation for the iron dome system, which are nations developed together and which has saved lives of
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countless israeli citizens, both arab and jew. i assured him my full support to replenish israel's iron dome system to ensure its defenses and security in the future. i believe the palestinians and israelis equally deserve to live safelily and securely, and to enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity and democracy. my administration will continue our quiet relentless diplomacy toward that end. >> reporter: and i think, anderson, really two things are obvious emerging from this, one, this is not an issue that president biden prioritized taking office, and now it is at the forefront of issues that people are going to be paying attention to, does the cease fire last, what happens if the evictions start up and violence restarts. that's something they have to deal with. it cannot be low on the priority list like it was. also it's going to be a rift among the democratic party, where you saw these progressive members of his party calling for a different u.s. stance toward israel and they did not get the
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condemnation i think they would have gotten in years's past, the way they spoke about israel. i think it changes things going forward. we'll have to see how much. >> kaitlan collins, ben wedeman, thank you so much. still to come, the debate about when americans need to get a covid booster shot, even as vaccine hesitancy is still a real problem in the country. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee... yeah i should've just led with that... with at&t business... you can pick the best plan for each employee and only pay for the features they need.
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thanks in large part to vaccinations new cases of covid are at an 11-month low. they are expected to drop even further along with hospitalizations and deaths in the coming weeks, which is certainly fantastic news. already dr. anthony fauci, pfizer and others are discussing the possibility of needing a booster shot. dr. fauci told "the washington post" we're preparing for the eventuality that we might need boosters. when that may be is unclear. i want to talk about it with dr. leana wen. dr. fauci said yesterday we'll need boosters when we start to see more break-through infections and the ceo of pfizer put that at 8 to 12 months afternoon your second shot. what's your thoughts on when and why we'll need them? >> well, i don't know at this point that we know when we'll
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need boosters. that's because we're still tracking those data. right now we know that the vaccines work very well against the variants of concern here in the u.s. we also know immunity will last at least six months. we don't know exactly how long. i think tracking break-through infections, infections in fully vaccinated people will be really important but i also don't want for us to get ahead of the science here. that's because while there are some people that will say if there's a booster i want to sign up tomorrow, we also know that one of the main reasons why people are hesitant to even get the vaccine actually has to do with the possibility of a booster. and so i don't want to accidentally deter people who are already vaccine hesitant by giving them premature information about needing a booster when we don't know exactly when that is just yet. >> so you think officials may be getting ahead of themselves when there's still so many people that haven't gotten -- i mean you think it will deter people from even getting a first dose? >> there are some focus groups that have found for people who
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are vaccine hesitant, one of the main reasons that they cite is this idea that we may need to get a booster. they say that means that the pandemic will just keep on going, so what's the point of getting the first shot if i need to get another one six months or 12 months down the line. now, i think that's difficult for some people to understand because some people are saying the moment i finding my immune tee may be waning, i want to get a booster. recognizing some people may have that mentality, it's important for us to not get ahead of the science. when we hear the pfizer ceo speak, he's talking to his investors, he's talking to his stakeholders and we should keep that in mind that that's the target audience. >> you've been clear that the cdc went too far with the mask guidance and the ripples of that are being seen all over the country. texas, iowa, utah are going to prohibit mask mandates in schools and businesses. those states also have relatively low vaccination rates. do you expect to see a corresponding uptick in cases there? >> i really hope not. i am hopeful that we now have a
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high enough rate of vaccination in the country that we're not going to see that uptick, but i'm also very worried because in those particular areas where we don't have high vaccination rates, those are also areas that also don't have great public health infrastructure. so ideally what we would see is if there are new cases, we're able to test for them, able to do contact tracing and then quarantine and isolate. if the public health infrastructure is not there, we may have new outbreaks and there may be new variants emerging with that. so i really hope that at this point people will do what they can, individuals who are not vaccinated yet should get vaccinated. until then wear a mask. i also hope that businesses will differentiate between the essential businesses and non-essential businesses. ones that are truly essential like pharmacies or grocery stores, ideally they should still keep mask mandates in place to protect the immunocompromised children and other people who are not yet vaccinated. >> the american academy of
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pediatrics updated their guidance saying even if vaccinated adults don't have to wear masks, unvaccinated children should still do so. can you explain your view on when, where, and if children should wear masks and does lifting mask mandates put kids at greater risk? >> that last part is what i'm really worried about because there is this pervasive narrative that somehow kids don't get covid-19, which is just not true. we know that there are 3.9 million infections among children with covid-19. 24% of the new cases are actually in children. thousands of children have gotten this multi-system inflammatory syndrome and so children don't need to wear masks outdoors, but indoors if they are around other kids who are also unvaccinated they should be wearing masks, and that includes in schools. if there are unvaccinated adults and unvaccinated children, they should all be wearing masks around one another. >> dr. leana wen, appreciate it as always. up next, what britain's
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today prince william described beshear as a rogue reporter and said the interview contributed to his mother's fear, and isolation in the years before her death. it was a major contribution to making my parents' relationship worse and has since hurt countless others. the inquiry found beshear had faked documents in order to obtain the interview. the bbc said it had apologized in writing to both prince william and his brother, harry. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." if you would, allow me a moment. remember i told you back in the beginning of march i can't cover my brother's troubles, it wouldn't be fair. you got it then and i appreciate you understanding. now, today there are stories out there about me offering my brother advice. of course i do. this is no revelation. i have said it publicly and i