>> thank you, coop. i am counhris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." there is more to the stories than we get from the coverage. we sometimes miss what matters most because we're so drawn to what matters next. why do we keep seeing videos of black men dying in ways that are not met with the same urgency by the police or the state as the videos seem to warrant? what answer do we come to quickly? compliance versus color. but we're missing what matters most. it's friday night. let's just take a moment. i have no big breaking news to dump on your head. let's take a moment and see what we have failed to see, even though it's just as obvious as the video itself. what matters most in the litany of the dead, daunte, andrew, now ronald? the videos have to come with a warning.

you may not be able to watch this. but we are actually blind to have been we need to see. the problem is not just being black in america. the problem is also about where you are when you are black in america. lost in the next, next, next impulse of the media and the outrage and pain cycles of parents devastated and retraumatized as loved ones are judged out of political convenience, is the reality that this all happens because of the presence and absence of rules that make systems in places that guarantee the outcomes we all say we hate. prove it. okay. louisiana.

green's situation. there is new video. we're showing it to you. but it was hidden for years. why? racism. go deeper. the rules allowed the cops to conspire to lie. yeah, like you said, race. no, it's not that simple. and it doesn't have to be that simple because you won't change it by just saying they're racist. all we get when you say that is people say, no, they're not, you don't like cops. we can too better. and it's right there in front of us. they told the family green died in a car accident. why couldn't the family find out they were lying? because they used a perverse law to keep the video hidden and said they were investigating, for two years. now things are suddenly moving very quickly in this louisiana case. why? the tape was leaked to the media. just like with george floyd.

just within the last three hours, state police finally released all the video. i wonder why? a friday night document dump. how obvious. and now they say, making big changes. racial sensitivity training, no more choking, more transparency. in other words, what are they doing? they are changing the system of rules, because it's not about one cop, one night, one choice, one sense of prejudice. it is systemic injustice. and we have allowed that phrase to become a political buzzword. it isn't. it is a reality. systemic inequality creates these outcomes. and when it is exposed, people run. but we keep missing the opportunity to change what we

must. and why? because our outrage rightly starts here. [ screaming ] >> yes. >> oh, jesus. >> oh, lord! >> all you was doing was speeding a little bit. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry, sir. [ screaming ] >> quit [ bleep ] pushing against me, you understand that? >> they're hurting him. it makes you uncontrollably, almost, angry. how can they be so nonchalant when he is in such distress? you know they know this isn't

worth it. you hear the cops saying, in that nonchalance that's reminiscent of chauvin with george floyd, "all you did was run a red light," whatever he says. and we're outraged. but it can't end there. because this is not just about who did what this night to this man. it was just the beginning of why ronald greene was denied justice. it doesn't end with the police. the reason the police are the way they are when they do things wrong is because they have gotten there. as a sequence of choices and decisions and rules and lapses. cnn got ahold of the autopsy this afternoon. cause of death, cocaine-induced agitated delirium complicated by motor vehicle collision, physical struggle, inflicted head injury, and restraint.

lacerations of greene's head were inconsistent with motor vehicle collision injury. what does that mean? they came from somewhere else. most consistent with multiple impact sites from a blunt object. no written incident reports was provided despite requests. no detailed information regarding the motor vehicle collision. no emergency services medical records were provided. the system allowed it to end there, because those are the rules and the lapses in rules. the system is not set up to safeguard against what happened. so the autopsy was ignored. and that is to blame as well, because the system is set up that way. and this is not some hyper-pc,

out there idea about the man. this is the reality. next step, greene's family says we want a special prosecutor, mr. attorney general, do that. can't. here comes the system again. why? the law in north carolina says unless the local d.a. recuses himself, louisiana, not north carolina, although it's happening there too, i'll get to it. in louisiana, unless he recuses himself, you would have to show an actual conflict of interest. just working with the sheriff, working with the local cops that are involved, is not enough. now, interestingly, the district attorney in louisiana is black. well, then i guess can't be racist, right? says who? this is about a system. do you believe that when you have officers of color, the problem goes away? the d.a. invited the department of justice to investigate.

not the state. why not? is it because he knows? it's very hard for the feds to have a case. they have to show a pattern or a specific racist intent. the state can make the case the same way the locals can. why let in the doj but not the state? minnesota, okay? daunte wright. cop says, oh, i thought it was a taser, it was a gun. okay. first we get past the compliance versus color, right? if he had only not tried to run. all right. now the videos come. standard warning. but remember, i know it's hard to watch, if you don't watch and open your eyes to what it is beyond this one moment, we're never going to stop seeing these. so remember this. >> i'll tase you! taser, taser, taser! i just shot him. >> she didn't mean it, it was an

accident. and now, minnesota attorney general keith ellison, who made the move at the governor's direction because the locals there said we think the public have lost confidence in us so the governor got involved, brought in ellison, the ag, he will lead now the manslaughter prosecution of kim potter for wright's death as he did in putting the team together to deal with derek chauvin in the murder of george floyd. the hennepin county prosecutor knew well enough to ask for the state to step in. but they didn't have to. so here's the question. why doesn't the system provide that there is always an outside prosecutor when policing is at issue? why isn't that the system? why is the system created to insulate the local prosecutorial instrument from any kind of

scrutiny? in the george floyd murder, again, the governor had to step in and appoint the ag after local lawmakers said constituents lost confidence. what if they hadn't? the initial report from the cops there was what? you know, this is about drugs, some medical emergency, that's why george floyd died. and what did the local prosecutor want to do? crickets. why can't the governor always do that? oh, you can't take control from the locals, the locals have to have control. the right only calls for that when they like the outcomes. when they don't like it, you get the fraud-its. not every state allows for the upgrade to a special prosecutor. why not? north carolina, the law is set up to work against shining light on secrets. andrew brown jr.'s death. what the hell was going on there? they come in like s.e.a.l. team

6 against this local drug dealer. there's a witness who comes on this show, she saw them shooting at him as he's going away. the d.a. clears him, clears all of them, says, oh, no, no, he was coming at him, it's clear in the video. shows us video that doesn't even come close to making that case. now what happens? why? the system says two things in north carolina. it says, one, he's the last word, the district attorney. the system is even more obvious in overcoming the main reason for body cameras. what's the main reason? so that the rest of us can see it, so that officers don't get framed, and people don't get blamed for doing things just because cops say they did. 14 shots as he tries to drive away from deputies in a botched drug raid.

two shot him. he got killed by a bullet in the back of the head. the d.a. is the final word. he says this video shows nothing bad happened. and there's a law on the books that the expectation of privacy of the officers, you can't see the body camera footage unless someone puts in a court order. the police have an expectation of privacy from the body camera footage? it is the obvious. they have an expectation of no privacy. that's the point. that's the system. that's the system. the d.a.'s explanation denies anything that was witnessed or seen on tape. and he's got this trump card because of the system. he is the final word. the governor says, gee, i wish they had put out the videos. i really think it would be better if there's a special prosecutor. he's got no power compared to a local d.a. the state ag made the offer.

d.a. passed. he says, i'm the one accountable to the community. attorneys general aren't accountable, governors? brown's family wants the doj to step in. these cases are very hard. these 1983 actions, you have to show a pattern of racist judgments, that they did this to brown because he was black and they can prove it. it's very, very hard. the only thing that is simple to understand is this. location, location, location. it's not just for real estate. it's the reality for black people in america. and i'm not saying it's perfect anywhere, but i'm saying systemic inequality is not a political phrase. it's not a synonym for liberal fixes or socialism or any other bs you have in your head. it is an organized set of principles that are often cod i find or intentionally left

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anthony barksdale, elliott williams. elliott williams worked at the federal level as a prosecutor. bark worked in policing his entire adult life, was the acting commissioner in baltimore. systemic inequality. is that just a media phrase, bark? or does it have real bite in terms of helping us understand how it's not as simple as just black and white, literally and figuratively? >> it absolutely has a real meaning. and the evidence is there now. chris, elliott, we're seeing it over and over again. and there's just no denying it. and we have those who are lost in cognitive bias, ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. and we have to shake them out of it because the profession of policing is in danger. >> i had a guy come up to me on my personal time, elliott, and

he said, stop making it just about race. i said, well, keeps happening to black guys. he goes, it happens to a lot of people. he says, change the rules, change the outcomes. i said, like what, how do you change a rule? don't be racist. he says, no, if somebody polices badly and you don't report it, you're in as much trouble as that guy is, change the rule. change the tactical training. change how they assess these situations. change the transparency rules on body cam. change the duty that you must inform. change that there must be review. change that there must be special prosecutors when it's an issue of policing in the same locality. change the rules and you will change the outcomes because you will put a price even on racist tendencies that people won't want to play. and the guy made a great point, he said, i was a cop for 35 years, different levels. he said, even if you're racist, you will not act that way if it's going to be your ass.

and i thought it was very interesting. how does that ring true to you, elliott? >> sure. look, chris, but at the beginning of the segment, you said that the system is broken, we've got to fix the system. the problem is that the systems are broken. there are 50 states, 3,006 counties in america, and each of them has their own system of, number one, disciplining officers who step out of line. number two, rewarding people. number three, just the basic laws as they exist. and a quicker in our system in the united states is that the federal government can't dictate standards on most things that many people would think, just tell them to put body cameras on. the federal government can provide incentives to counties and towns and give them funding if they do. but the simple fact is a lot of it has to happen at the local level. the george floyd policing act would provide some incentives on

some of these things like providing funding to jurisdictions that set up independent prosecutors to investigate allegations he have misconduct. blame alexander hamilton, james madison, and george washington for the fact that the federal government can't just swoop in all the time and fix inequalities as they exist at the state and local level. >> here's what i want to do. i love you guys, but i don't want to exhaust time and opportunity. i'm going to give you your weekend. bark and williams, thank you so much. i want to bring in a professor, and i want to put more meat on these bones, okay? so i thought you always say race is involved. race is involved. race is real. and it is real as a problem and a premise for problems in so many different manifestations. but it is not everything. and you have to address other things and see it as part of a complex to get to the systemic changes that you must do. next guest, ivy league

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i'm open to a lot of criticisms. you have to be in this business. one that's not fair is the idea that i show you the videos of beatings and i always want the next one so i can keep shocking you into viewing. it's not true. i want to change the reality. i want you to push for a change because you're so outraged and you realize we can do better so that i don't have to show you videos like that ever again. how? well, our next guest says, he's

been studying this a long time, if you want it to stop, you have to stop limiting your idea of the problem to just race. that sounds counterintuitive to a lot of people. adolph reed jr., professor emeritus at the university of pennsylvania, professor, thank you for joining me. >> thanks a lot for having me. >> to be clear, you're not saying that race doesn't matter. race matters, but you're saying it is a shortcut to just stop there and make it literally about black and white. you say we're missing the root causes that will get us to a better place. what are we missing? >> well, i think what we're missing is kind of tied up directly with the point that you make about systemic inequality, right? i mean, the function of police in a highly unequal society comes down largely to protecting property from those who don't have it and might be a danger to

it. and of course that's not all they do. they do a lot more. and to be clear, i would like to hear an answer on the other side of the line if i call 911. that's not the problem. in a mass complex society, especially one like ours, you need to have a police function, first of all. but the fact is that -- and on the race question, the location point you made earlier is a quite important one too. one of the things that race is and always has been, like in this society, it's a shorthand. it's a way to provide a quick and a visual cue for who supposedly naturally belongs on the bottom and who doesn't. i can remember a half century ago, after the civil rights movement, when police officers around the country were routinely sent to community colleges to take race relations

courses or african-american studies courses. i've been thinking about that a lot again lately, to try to change the mindset. but the problem -- but then around the same time, the levels of inequality in society as a whole began to increase sharply and steadily over the next half century. and lo and behold, police forces moved to a different kind of stress policing as it used to be called, squat squads, stakeout squads. so -- and i think the problem -- and yes, there are obviously sharp racial disparities. i didn't just fall off a turnip truck. but the problem is that police impose stress on and control, particularly in populations that have been designated for stress and control.

like in zip codes in particular. i would recommend to you and to the listeners a great article by christian parenti called back of the napkin calculations on race, region, and violence, published in an online journal called nonsite.org. what parenti finds is that in some regions, in some zip codes, actually whites are killed by police at a higher relative rate than blacks. obviously in many others, the pattern is reverse. >> why would it be reverse, professor? so people understand. because this argument always gets mired into relativism. >> right. >> black people commit more crime. yeah, but not as a percentage of population. yeah, but it's a lot of black on black crime also.

if you had to pick one thing to leave this audience with as an idea tonight about where we have to focus to think about how to get to a better place, what is it? >> it's that blacks are killed disproportionately. hispanic are killed disproportionately. poor people are killed disproportionately, of whatever race. and the other point is that disparities are significant, but every year the plurality of people killed by police are in fact white. and that leads to the strategic takeaway, right, that the only way to get at this, to get at the problem, is to drill down to the underlying causes. but the other piece of that is, you know, it's a democracy. so we need to build majorities. if it's a problem, like many, many others, for instance like absence of access to health care, that black people may

experience or may suffer from at relatively higher rates, that doesn't mean that there aren't many, many more nonblack people who have the same problem. and the only way we're going to change these entrenched, systemic inequalities is through building the kind of broad-based political alliance that can bring pressure on the lawmakers and the rest of the political system to change it. >> we're missing a big "and." color, yes, but color and class. >> you said it. >> and the smartest political move by the right has been to split white poor people away from black or brown poor people, to see them as an enemy when if you were to put them all together, at the end of the day, while color has unique disadvantages and unique things that must be approached, if you gave that entire group what black and brown people are asking for, you would have the biggest political base and the biggest remedy for so much of

what ails us. i know, i've been reading your stuff. professor, thank you very much, the conversation must continue, thank you for starting it with us tonight. absolutely, color. we have racist issues that are ingrained, that we must deal with. when you look at color and class, that's the biggest bloc that can change this country. speaking of big, big moves in the matt gaetz scandal. it's all anonymous. they have nobody on me, they got one guy who was just trying to save himself. not anymore. cnn learning gaetz's ex-girlfriend will cooperate with federal investigators looking into alleged sex trafficking by the republican congressman. we got a legal eagle who knows all all the players and also knows, what does it mean when someone decides to talk to the feds? she's not charged. next.

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investigation of matt gaetz, the congressman's ex-girlfriend, a former capitol hill staffer with ties that go back to 2017 with gaetz. so what does this mean? one, so much for it's all anonymous, it's all anonymous. if your ex-girlfriend is anonymous, you've got bigger problems. also the idea that it's all deep state, it's deep state. again, it's your girlfriend. you got bigger problems. and the idea that deals keep popping up, and we expect to see more, and they're not even talking to gaetz. when it comes to federal investigations, that can be your biggest problem. for somebody who has some perspective on this, mark o'mara knows both sides of the aisle, famous for defense, also knows prosecution. you do not want to be the person the feds are not talking to. why? >> well, you don't want to be the last one in, because they are putting together their case. if you think about it, what we

know so far, is we have greenberg, him in and of himself cannot do anything, he's like the bare bones, he's got a lot of baggage he carries with him with his felonies and whatnot. they start looking at cooperation witnesses and forensic evidence. but when you get an ex-girlfriend of the person they seem to be now targeting, i liken it, chris, to a jigsaw puzzle. there's a bunch of pieces on the ground. we don't know the picture yet. but now we know matt gaetz's face is on one of those pieces because now they're talking to the ex-girlfriend. >> jilted lover, she's angry. wouldn't that be something the feds take into account before reaching out for secondary conversations? >> yes, but they're not done. i know the prosecutors, they're doing this very methodically. what we have is greenberg, big fish, so to speak. but yes, we're going to have the girlfriend. we're going to have other people who come in.

because they won't have only two witnesses. because you're right, greenberg is assailable, and even the ex-girlfriend, jilted, has a battle to wage. but the forensic evidence, banking statements, when they get in front of a jury, they won't have concerns about the viability of their overall case. >> to be clear, i'm not sayiing she is a jilted lover. that's how they'll deflect. why does she do this? were they going to charge her and she wants to save herself? what would they be charging her for? >> prosecutors use a lot of tools. you're a citizen, we have you under oath, you better tell us the truth because if you don't tell us the truth, it's perjury. that's always there. then there's, your tax returns don't match up to your salary, there are those subtle threats of prosecution. they have a lot of tools in

their tool bag to say to a witness who they want to talk to, you better talk to us and you better tell us the truth. whether it's fully voluntary or just fear of some other government intrusion into their life, she's going to probably come in and tell them everything they want to hear as long as it's the truth. >> now, the key here is, what is your understanding about how she fits in, that this isn't someone who was just dating him and had eyes on an odd lifestyle, but she was part of the lifestyle that involved some type of combination of money, travel, and intimacy. >> right. she's somewhat circumstantial potentially, right? but she's going to be able to give a lifestyle history of who matt gaetz is, which is, i was here, i was in the bahamas, i was there, i know he did this, i know about this girl. whatever it might be, again, it's one witness in an overall scheme or plan that the government is putting together. and she fits in in a number of

those different pieces to the puzzle, probably. we just don't know what they are yet. but presumably the team prosecuting this knows exactly where she fits. >> here's the big question. if she knows because she saw but wasn't part of, that's a big problem for gaetz. if she knows because she was paid and was part of it, that gives him credibility space to push back on her. we'll know soon enough. mark o'mara, thank you. pieces in the puzzle. what flies through the air at incredible speed, maneuvers in a way that defies aerodynamics? ufo. not so fast. we're so tied to the next, next, this is so cool, this narrative, obama is talking about it. is there an explanation? i have an expert that you need to listen to, next. invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car.

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and he says we don't know exactly what they are. what do you think it is? >> i would ask him again. thank you. >> that question from the fox guy. they would accept basically anything as an answer that's good for trump on that network. president obama, he's raising the point that they don't know, right? because that is the "u" part of the unidentified flying object. we should have a curiosity, and not because that means you have to believe in aliens. and i am open to -- i don't know what's out there and what isn't. i'm someone who's decided to believe in a higher power that has intelligence and can affect our lives. so i'm hoping. but we should go on the facts. president biden doesn't want to touch it. why not? because he doesn't have any good answer and he has bigger problems. congress is now awaiting an intel report. why? because this is a real problem. the unidentified aerial phenomena matters, because you have an increasing number of objects that are getting into areas where we don't want them.

so is there any reckoning to this other than scratching our heads and asking these stupid questions? an expert offering his own ideas. mick west is the author of "escaping the rabbit hole." now, he says you got to look at these things through the prism of science and practicality. welcome to "prime time." it's good to see you. let's do this episode by episode. the triangle video, okay? this was recorded by personnel aboard the "uss russell," july 2019, off the coast of california. the green flashing triangular shaped object with a night vision device from a navy ship. nothing can fly in that shape, in that way. what the hell is it? what is the explanation that we have ignored? >> the first thing you notice is that it's flashing. and the way it flashes is very like a plane flashing. and the next thing you notice about the video is that there seem to be other triangles in the scene as well.

there's a couple of triangles at the end that it flies past. if you analyze the video, you can find that those triangles are actually stars. which means there's something about the camera that's making these stars, which are normally points of light, be triangle shaped. if it is a plane. some camera lenses actually have a trianglular aperture. you will see exactly what you are seeing in this video and we managed to replicate this exact thing with the flashing lights from a plane going forward and the triangular stars.

it is the same tsa as the plane would be. >> you call it as a boka effect? >> when you use a triangular aperture in these binoculars, it connects little triangles. >> the military would not be sophisticated enough to know this potential issue. >> i think they are. how it becomes convinced this was maybe at some point an identified. we don't know much context of this video. we know little about it and what people are claiming about it other than the people of the ufo promotes it. >> the flying saucer.

>> the navy name is gimbo. again, sophisticated people, pilots seeing these things, they don't know what it is and it does not make sense to them. they don't even get the rate of speed. >> perhaps later when they analyze it they'll figure it out. what we are seeing is infrared footage and we are looking at heat sources and inverted, hot things appear black. what we are looking at is the tail end of a jet plane. that would appear as a big glare and the same way as this flashlight here i am pointing at the camera, you get a big flare that obscures it. the front glare, that rotates

because part of the glare is rotating. the way it is mounted on the plane so you have to rotate in a certain position and it is the same position we are seeing in the video. perhaps a distant plane or a drone. >> would a pilot know that? >> depends on how experienced they are and whether they have been in the exact same situation before and everything is lining up right. we don't know what it was or who the pilot thought of what it was. >> let's do one more. do you want to do the tic-tat or the go fast? >> near the florida coast, it was going so fast that they never seen anything that has that kind of technology. >> it looks like it was going

fast. it is kind of an illusion. it looks like it was going fast because of paraflex effects. >> what is it? >> look when you are looking out in a train where you look like you are kind of moving things around them, that kind of effect. they think it is down the ocean so it looks like it is moving really fast. we need to figure out where it is. all you need is 10th grade t trigonometry. it is quite slow and moving something like 13 dots which is about wind speed and it shows a code in the infrared video which means it is probably something like a balloon. >> to be very clear while you believe that science can explain

and observation can explain these, are you open to the concerns of some of the military and intel people that there are things out there they can't explain? >> absolutely, yes. that's a very important thing that needs to be looked in a serious manner. if the pilots are recording things they can't identify, yes, we need to figure out what's going wrong there. is it something new or some failure of the system or personnel or technology. let's figure it out. these videos are not evidence of something amazing. they can all be explained. >> nick west, i appreciate this. in fact, it is the perfect segment for me. i am open, if the military or intel got questions of things of potential technology they don't understand, we do need to hear what this report says. i want to have you back when we get the assessment with them and see and we'll look into the phenomenon before.

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