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look at it, figure it out. is it about innovation or how we surveil or something else? that's fine, don't get mad if a guy gets logical explanation for what's described as a phenomenon. thank you for watching, have a great weekend. "don lemon tonight" with their big star, d. lemon. >> i have gotten a lot of people saying thank you for talking about class and economics. because i always find it interesting are people who say don't just use race and don't do anything about it. >> there is a convenience of saying something about race because you can't do anything about race. there are things that could be done and that's where we should
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be now about change. >> i will say and i will keep it simple. >> we should not try to change the definition of what is because it makes others feel better. sometimes when we have those conversations, we say what racism is without actually saying the word. that makes people feel better about what they think, what their believes are and how they choose other people and what they grown up to believe. you can't say there is and you are not talking about racism when you say systematic. >> of course you are. >> that's what the definition is of racism without saying the word racist. >> it could be more than just race. >> it is. the first part is systematic, that's the system. the second part is race.
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that's with the definition already is. >> i think when you say it is systematic inequality, no, it is race. the system in this country were set up. >> right. >> set up for white people. >> i think there is an and. >> the system is the and . >> yes, that's one "and," there is another "and." the cop does the bad thing and kills the person and beats them. the cop is black or white. race is made at the set of decision here and sthey should have been okay. we leveave it at that. when we don't look at the vacancy of rules. >> but that's the system part. >> to an adolph reid's point. why does it happen to white people also? because class matters, too. >> yeah. >> it is a double negative. >> if you are talking about it
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in a suit. it is a much larger conversation than policing. >> it is. >> you put racism in a policing bucket, in a criminal justice. >> agreed. >> you can be black or white or any color, be cooperated by a system that was set up to look out for the interests of a certain kind of person. >> the same thing but that definition when you take the word racism out, what you are doing is diswsuading the guilt. >> when you stop at race. you get where you are. no, it is not. comply. >> that's not the job of a press people in society or even us in the media the make people feel good about something that they don't want to feel good about. that's not going to help them change.
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by cuddling someone. >> that's not cuddling. >> i am not changing the definition of it. >> yes, you are. >> you are saying that's systematic racism. systematic equality makes and rile people up. that's not the issue. the issue is not getting people riled up. the issue is fixing for people to understand their own -- >> and you have a better chance to fix it if you work on both. >> you have to call it what it is before you can work on it. >> we have more than one problem in society. >> that's the system. >> that's an aspect of certain systems especially in certain places and locations matter either. >> there is just as much of racism in new york or in birm birmingham, alabama or
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pennsylvania. it is all racist. >> don't confuse culture with systematic situations. for instance, in new york, getting a special prosecutor, transparency laws. that's what i am talking about by location. if you have a rule in the books that was made in opposition of body cameras where okay, we have to do body cameras, but if there is an expectation of privacies from somebody we won't show it. that qualifies cops as well. cops have an expectation of privacy, that's the rule in louisiana. that's crazy. that's part of the system, it does not exist in new york or a lot of places. you have to change that rule. you should have a special prosecutor any time there is a use of force that's questioned by police or worthy of an investigation. you have a special prosecutor every time. >> that's part of a system in the country that was set up for what. i don't understand the location. maybe there are different cultures in different places but that does not change --
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>> that does not change the definition of racism. >> i am not talking about the racism. >> i am not talking about what racism is. >> you are talking about different cultures and different people how they react to racism. >> no, i am talking about how in certain states you will be treated more fairly under the law than others because of the system that's set up. fareed's point is i believe the genius of the far right movement has been to make poor white people think that poor black and brown people are their enemy. you are splitting the most powerful block of americans. if you had them all together, race has unique challenges and requires unique change. but, there is a conflation. if you give access to conflation and access to housing and employment that covers problems
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with poverty and color. you will have the biggest group of people who wants the same thing. >> you just described racism. >> i am telling you i am not changing the definition of racism. >> you are taking a whole thing around, you are taking a scenic route to the point to where you want to go. >> the shortest distance between two- two points is a straight line. >> it is about the simplest answer. if you think this is enough of what we are doing right now, not you and me, it is not working. saying everybody is racist and that's racist even when it is is not getting us to a better place. >> what are we supposed to say? it is okay, it is not racist? you say this is racist. this is systematic inequality base on race. >> it is systematic racism. >> you don't need the base on
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race. the simple and the definition is raci racism. but when you are dealing with issues of race, it is. >> again, don, i want change. i want policing to be safer for more people and places when they are people of color or not. >> yeah. >> i am saying there is a huge coalition of people who if they knew that the changes were going to benefit them and not take from them, you will have a whole new change alliance to deal with the racism problem. >> where did they get that notion from? >> the raight. >> where did that come from? >> advantage. >> where did that come from? >> because they don't want people to vote for them. >> yur aour answer to everythin america about racism i am just telling you now.
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>> it is not what i am saying. not everything in america is based on race. when you are talking about issues of color, you can't call it anything else. >> i never have and never would. >> do we want to fix it? >> yes. >> you can't fix it by pretending it something else or making it sound like something else so other people can feel okay about it. >> there is no feeling of okay. >> okay, systematic inequality. >> i want more people to feel badly about it and feel investing about fixing it. that's what i want. >> okay, all right. >> you need to write another book. >> yes. okay. look, you should read that, too. >> is that another word? >> that's my point. >> i love you d. lemon. >> i love you, too. >> this is "don lemon tonight."
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we have a lot of new development in a case that we reported this week, the death and police custody of ronald greene who was kicked and dragged and tased by louisiana police. state police releasing a total of nine body cams and dashcam videos tonight. only now more than two years after the death of ronald greene. one of the videos obtained by cnn from a source of knowledge, the officer arrives at the scene as officers attempting to arrest greene and have him on the ground. this is part of it. i wish this is the last time i have to warn you, it is dis disturbing to watch. >> don't you turn over. you lay on your belly. lay on your belly. cfo yes, sir. >> okay, sir. >> lay on your belly. >> i am talking to you, do you understand me?
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>> how many times does this have to helpful when we wait for meaningful police reform? they're still talking on capitol hill but there is zero chance of a meeting of the may 25th deadline of the first anniversary of the murder of george floyd. on every one of the issue that really matters to the people of this country, republicans are hiding their heads in the sand. that's all they're doing. we know what the gop stands for and their priorities if there is any doubt about what their priority is. one time party of lirncoln stans for nothing but the impeached and disgraced and one-term former president and themselves, not democracy. we have more new video tonight.
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video of a large group of proud boys shot before the first fences were breached on the perimeter of the capitol ground. you hear one person off camera saying, quote, "take the effin capitol" and another unseen person saying "don't yell it, do it." >> let's go. >> don't yell it, do it. >> proud boys, tighten it up! a proud boy is yelling "take the f f---ing capitol."
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84-years-old asian man died after being brutally assaulted on the street. look at that. they can't even take a stand on that. hate is proliferating. antismementic attacks. i am going to talk to him tonight, you don't want to miss that. a video recorded by a by stander shows several people kicking a man on the ground and hitting him with unidentified objects. it is unclear what happened before the video began. in los angeles, police are investigating after reports that several jewish people at a sushi restaurant targeted by a group of pro-palestinian men.
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the man swinging a metal the man. >> you know we can look back at a time in history where people were tolld to wear a gold star and they were taken and put into gas chambers. this is the type of abuse that nancy pelosi is talking about. . >> i mean -- i don't like to call people names but that's outrageous. comparing mask wearing to jews
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being sent to the gas chamber. how low can she go? why do republicans continue to coddle her? republicans showed us what they stand for and what they won't stand up against. we have a lot more to come on all of these few developments in the all of these stories in the case of ronald greene. the man in louisiana who was kicked and dragged and tased as new video and what the police are saying about it. >> don lemon tonight is sponsored by sofi. congrats from sofi, a one stop shop for student loans or student loan refinancing. get your money right. letely cha. lower interest rate. my principal is going down. sofi is a place where you can start to tackle
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a black man kicked and tased and dragged back in 2019. new body camera showing a supervisor arriving at the scene and greene is already on the ground and another officer is trying to arrest him. i have to warn you, it is disturbing to watch. >> don't you turnover, lay on your belly. >> yes, sir. >> i am talking to you, do you
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understand me? >> in another part of the new video you hear a trooper tells green why they tried to pull him over. >> why did you run? >> you were speeding and running the red light. >> greene's mother says in the hours after his death, police claimed her son was in a high-speed chase and his car crashed into a tree. joining me now is cnn's ryan young and captain ron johnson with the missouri state highway patrol. ryan, you are covering the story, i am going to start with you. tell us more of what else is seen in this video. it is really disturbing.
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>> reporter: no, it is disturbing. i called you earlier this week and we had a conversation before the video came out. i have been working non-stop since then to get the vesrest o the video. you are trying to get the full pick which are of exactly what's happening. the fact that he's left in the prone position for so much time. he's laying on his stomach and gasping for air. he's essentially saying sorry over and over. one of the things that stands out at one point, he's spitting up blood. you think of that point he may have been turned over and been able to sit up that he would be able to get some air. there is another part where you can hear him congratulating of a good job and what's been done moving forward. this is disturbing when you watch the entire 30 minutes because the one thing that's don
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resis constant is you can hear him gasping for air. as i have talked to police officers across the country this week who watched this video, that's the one thing that stands out to them. the fact that there never seems to be any chance for him to get any relief. >> captain johnson in this new body cam video, it is clear that ronald greene is in distressed. he's handcuffed and told to keep laying on his belly. we have seen the video of ronald greene being tased and kicked and dragged by troopers. does any of this look like an acceptable procedure to you? >> no. it is excessive use of force. everything you talked about is true. even in one statement, the officer says he was dead. that officer realized what
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distress mr. greene was in and having him remaining on his stomach, he was trying to turn over to get some breaths. really no sympathy of what's going on. unacceptable. >> at one point the officer arriving at the scene, he appears to be the supervisor and he tells the other officers they did a good job. does it say anything to you? >> i saw that. they were fist-bumping saying you did a good job. there is nothing there to congratulate anybody on. as a supervisor if you see someone indi distress, that shod be your main goal. >> ryan, now the louisiana police department is releasing all this video evidence. you know and you have been
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coff covering this and trying to get this out there, are officials saying anything more about this? >> this week they said basically they're fot not going to talk because of federal investigation here. everyone in the nation made it clear and transparency works best when all the information comes out. so if everything is laid out, you would not have any drips and jabs of information so that way your investigative agencies are not -- of course, it has been two years since this investigation started. >> thank you both. >> i appreciate it. he was attacked by five or six people, they screamed obscenities at him and they beat him. he was one of many jewish being attacked right now. he speaks out right here, next. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.
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a 29-years-old man was punched during an incident involving five or six individuals yesterday, some of the attackers chanting f jews and f israel. i have to warn you the video is graphic. it is outrageous and disgusting. police are telling cnn that a 23-years-old man is under arrest and facing multiple charges. including me now is the man that's attacked in that assault is joseph borgan.
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joseph, thank you, i am so sorry this happens to you. how are you doing tonight? >> first of all, thank you for letting me on the show. i am thankful, honestly, it could have been much worse. i could have been seriously hurt or even killed. >> it is in-- what was happeni before the attack? >> it was ironic, there was a ra rally, i went to this rally last week and ti was there. i was there for more than two or three hours without any major
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issues. for the most part is pretty peaceful. last night there was another rally and i got off the subway at 57th and 7th. same routine and texting my friend that i will be there soon and out of the corner of my eye, i saw some people chasing me behind and as you saw in the video proceeded to beat me down and pepper spray me. >> the thing that and that was horrible and horrific enough. when you look at that suv could have backed over you. i am looking at that suv trying to backup and you were laying there. >> yeah. frankly that driver -- as soon as they were on top of me, i fell to the ground and protecting my head and my face and doing what i could so ensure that honestly, my main thought was just surviving at that point
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and make it out alive and we'll see what happens in the case. thankfully nypd showed up quickly and dispersed the crowd. at the hospital, i met with some of the highest local crime unit and they are doing research and figuring out everyone that's involved. i am thankful as well. >> before i ask you about this. what did you want to say? some people did come to your rescue in that video. >> i will be honest, whoever helped me, there were a couple of individuals. anyone who did help me, i would love for them to reach out and i would love to thank them. >> the antidefamation league says they are seeing a spike if an an
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anti-semitic gang attack. before you experienced this, was that a concern of yours. >> i would not second guess that in my entire life. i lived in new york my entire life. you know like i said, a week ago, it seems like nothing has happened to me. i would attend this rally do so as a proud jew. >> it is difficult and i have seen posts about that. thankfully i have not received any threats. if so, that's completely normal in my opinion as well. anyone that's doing that should be condemned. >> i ask what you thought of the people who helped you. what do you want to say to the
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people that attacked you? >> i don't want to seek revenge per se and attacking them physically. my take away is what made attackers and individuals get to that point of hate. they saw innocent by sstanders d first thing they do is attack them and pepper spray them. i am going to the rally, i am not protesting, i am there to broadcast peace of everyone that's jews and everyone that's involved. that's all we want. my last concern is go ahead and stop hurting. i don't get it. nothing in my life ever made me do this to anybody. that's my take away.
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>> there is nothing to get from a random attack, it should not happen. thank you very much. i really appreciate you and i am glad you are okay and you get to spend this friday with your family. thank you, joseph. >> thank you, so much. i appreciate it. have a good one. >> you two. democrats can't get their bills moving in the senate. texas could be next. we'll speak with a texas dem right after this. it would be cool to ride a horse on the moon.
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joining me now the democratic of texas, i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me on. >> the bill there in texas where you are gives partisan poll watchers more power, ban counties from sending unsolicited mail-in ballot applications, what's the impact of that? >> it is already hard to the state of texas. they have to find new ways to make it harder and intimidating voters and pulling places to limit officials to do whatever they can to do whatever they can. what they are doing and looks like to me they're trying to push long eaer lines to make it harder for voters to vote knowing that a lot of folks
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won't be able to wait in line long. >> you know you flipped your district from red the blue in 2018, is this about republicans making sure that trend can't continue? >> it is hard for me to understand because in the state of texas, we had 11 million texan votes in the last election. donald trump won by 4 points and john cornyn won by 10 points. what's really motivating this and i think is just trying to stroke the ego of the former president and trying to fulfill not this idea of the last election was stolen and they have to do something about it. that's all not true. it would be funny if it was not so dangerous. you mentioned arizona where they're trying to find bamboo samples on the ballots because they think it may have been
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tampered in china. >> they see how close texas is and the diminishing returns even though they did well. they're not doing as well as they have done before. >> the republicans encouraging people to stand up for the truth and doing everything they can to sink the bipartisan -- how do you feel of the votes of your republican colleagues in the house this week? were there more than you expected or fewer? >> well, i do want to thank my colleagues that came over and did the right thing and voted for this bipartisan 9/11 style commission that was negotiated in a bipartisan manner and it gave them anything they asked for. i know there were some in the room, we were evacuated in the house floor and didn't know what was going to happen. and i saw how worried and afraid they were that day. all i can say is -- i understand
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that there is political pressure around this and for them. this is about the nation and democracy. this is one of the worst attacks in our democracy in our history. we can't come together to have a bipartisan commission and study and make sure it does not happen again. it did pass the house. i hope we can find enough republican senators in joining us to do the right thing and making this commission a real. >> marjorie taylor greene comparing the house mask date to the holocaust. she's attacking the house people. listen. >> we can look back at a time in history where people were toll to wear a gold star and they were treated like second class citizens and taken to gas
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chambers. this is the type of abuse that nancy pelosi are talking about. >> she's comparing public he'll safety to nazi's atratrocity. >> what's this about? >> you know don, i don't know, it is so damaging because statements like that are why we are having so much vaccine hesitancy among republicans in this country right now. when we have less than half of republican caucus in the house admitting they have been vaccinated, that contributes to folks around the country not getting vaccinated. we want to beat this virus and get back to normal. we got to get everybody vaccinated. these kinds of statements, obviously it is outrageous to compare this to the holocaust. >> it is defensive. >> no members of congress should say it. there are people who get sick who did not have to get sick if
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folks will show some leadership at all and encourage their supporters to get vaccinated like so many others have. >> yeah. >> she does not seem the care and republicans don either. thank you, colin allred. i appreciate it. >> thanks don. >> for 22 years, he said he was innocent and now dna evidence on the murder weapon is pointing to someone else. lydekll lee was executed four years ago. more, next. and a rapid test to help evaluate concussion, in case something were to happen. at abbott, we fight for these moments, developing life-changing technologies. because dignity demands it. ♪ ♪
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until he was put to death. the attorney said new dna testing may prove he was right all along. martin salvidge has the story now. >> reporter: on the night of april 20, 2017, liddell lee stepped into the death chamber of the unit in lincoln county, arkansas. he was strapped to a gurney. he said nothing. his final words heard earlier in an interview with the bbc. >> my dying words will always be, as it has been, i am an innocent man. >> reporter: lee spent 22 years on arkansas's death row, never changing his story. >> to maintain innocence for over 20 years, i mean, that is something that i'm not familiar with. >> reporter: so he never confessed to you that he had committed the murder. >> not once. not even hinted at it. >> reporter: now four years after his execution, new dna testing has raised serious questions about his case.
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lee's attorney got a call explaining the findings. >> i think if those results had been had before he was executed, he would still be alive. >> reporter: lee was sentenced to death for the 1993 murder of deborah reese, found strangled and clubbed to death in her home outside little rock. prosecutors relied on eyewitnesses who testified seeing lee enter and leave reese's house the day of the crime. even after execution, lee's family continued on investigate with the help of the aclu and the innocence project. recently they were able to gain access to some crucial evidence including the murder weapon. they did something had never been done before. tested it for dna. what they found confirmed their fears. there was daniels but it belonged to someone else. and as yet unidentified man. in a statement lee's sister simply said, we're glad there's new evidence in the daniels
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database and remain hope tlfl will be future information uncovered in the future. we ask for privacy in our country in this difficult time. lee's family, the innocence project and the aclu turned down our interview request citing the ongoing investigation. why didn't lee's attorney four years ago get dna testing to try to stop his client's execution? did you ask for dna testing? >> we did with. the assistance of the innocence project and it was denied. >> reporter: judge herbert wright was among those who denied the test saying witnesses and other evidence tied lee to the murder so in his mind or the lack of it wasn't likely to make any difference. >> the judicial standard of review that we looked at was whether or not it was likely to and my decision was that it wasn't likely to change the verdict. >> reporter: you knew by saying that, that you were pretty much saying, the execution can go forward. >> i knew that.
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>> reporter: why not allow testing of something as critical as dna? lee's attorney said because that would have taken more time and time is something the state of arkansas was quickly running out of. the drug arkansas used for lethal injection was set to expire ten days after the execution date. the state openly used that fact as one of the arguments against delay. death penalty critics were outraged. >> it seems problematic to you, to me, the international community certainly an outcry. arkansas politicians didn't care. >> reporter: and it appears they still don't. a, a's governor defended the execution despite the new dna discovery. >> the evidence obviously that was up covered is inconclusive and the fact is that the jury found him guilty based upon the information they had. >> reporter: arkansas's attorney general now running for governor has no regrets.
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why was not there daniels testing done before his execution? >> again, the jury heard the evidence. >> reporter: that's not what i'm talking about. in the appellate process after that, why was it turned down? why couldn't the dna be done? >> the courts determined there was no reason to hear that evidence. that he was not making a proper petition. >> reporter: i asked judge wright if he had second thoughts after hearing about the new dandna results. >> one of my worst fears was missing that piece of evidence that goes the other way. but in this case, based on what was in front of me, i feel like i made the right decision. i don't necessarily like the decision, but it was the legally correct decision to make. >> reporter: is that justice for deborah reese? >> the wrong person was not put to death. the right person was put to
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death. leddell lee murdered her. >> reporter: you're 100% certain that the right person was put to death. >> i absolutely stand by it. a lawful conviction of the jury and the decisions. courts. >> reporter: lee's defense attorney also thinks about deborah reese's family and all they've been through. but -- >> i don't think anyone wants the wrong person to be killed in your name. >> reporter: that's not justice. >> that's not justice at all. and it is a shame that they were told it would be. >> reporter: cnn, little rock, arkansas. >> thank you. and thanks for watching. our coverage wins the cnn's special report, a radical rebellion. the transformation of the gop. cal: our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪
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