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man, you guys lighten up my social media. look. be open. if they're military people and intelligence people have concerns about what's in the sky, look at it. figure it out. is it about tactical advantage? is it about innovation? is it about how we surveil? or is it about something else? that's fine. but don't get mad because a guy's got logical explanations for what are described as phenomena. that's called learning. thank you for watching. have a great weekend. "don lemon tonight" with its big star, d lemon. >> i thought they were lighting you up about your first-two segments but -- and that. >> no, look. i have gotten a lot of people saying thank you, thank you, for finally talking about class and economics. and what -- you know, because -- what i really find, always, interesting. i have always found this interesting. are people who say, don't just use race. and then, don't do anything about it. >> yeah. >> that there is a convenience

to saying something is about race because, like, you can't do anything about race. and there are things that can be done, and that's where we should be now about change. >> i'll just say, well, i'll just keep it simple. we shouldn't try to change the definition of what is because it makes others feel better. and sometimes, when we have those conversations, we say what racism is, without actually saying the word. and that makes people feel better about what they think, what their beliefs are, what they have grown up to believe. so, you can't say that there is -- you eveare not talking ab racism -- >> no, of course, you are. >> that's what the definition of racism, without saying the word racism. >> it can be more than just race. >> it is. the first part of it is systemic.

that -- the system. and the second part is race. so, that's what the definition, already, is. and so, i think, when you say, well, it's systemic equality or inequality. but, no, it's race. the systems in this country were set up -- >> right. >> -- for white people. >> i just think there's an and. i think there is an and. >> well, that is the system is. the system is the and. >> no -- well, yes, but there's another and. the cop does the bad thing. the cop is black, the cop is white. still, have the same problem. race made a set of decisions and we leave it at that. when we don't look at all of the different rules, and the vacancies of rules. >> but that's the system. >> that allow it to go. >> that's the system part. but then, like to an adolf reid's point, so, why does this happen to white people, also? because class matters, too. police -- >> well, yeah but --

>> if you are poor and black, it's a double negative. >> if you are talking about -- if you are talking about it in the -- so, it's a much larger conversation than just policing. and we shouldn't put racism in just a policing bucket, in a criminal-justice bucket. but you can be black or white or any color, and still be co-opted by a system. >> yes. >> by a system, that was set up to look out for the interests of a certain kind of person, which is -- >> yes. >> and so, it's the same thing. but that definition, when you take the word racism out. what you are doing is assuaging the guilt or trying to make -- >> yeah, i don't think you take it out. i just don't think you stop there, because when you stop at race. hey, it's racism, deal with it. you get where we are, which is no it isn't. comply. >> but that's not -- that's not -- that's not the job of -- of press people in the society. or even us, in the media, as well. to make people feel good about something they don't want to

feel good about. but that's not going to help them change. by -- by -- by coddling someone. >> that's not coddling. >> i'm not changing the definition. >> yes, you are. >> i'm not. >> you are changing the definition because you are saying that systemic racism is not systemic racism. it should be systemic equality because systemic equality doesn't rile people up the way saying systemic racism is. that's not -- that's not the issue. the issue is not getting people riled up. the issue is fixing, for people to understand their own, implicit bias and racism. >> and you have a better chance to fix it, if you work on both. >> not if you ignore it. you have to call it what it is, before you can work on it. >> but it's more than just -- we have more than just one problem, in society. >> that's the system. >> and that is an aspect of certain systems, especially in certain places. location matters, also. what i am saying is -- >> i don't understand what location matter -- matter, either. because there is just as much racism in new york city as there is in louisiana, where i grew up. or in birmingham, alabama, where i lived.

or in st. louis, missouri. or philadelphia, pennsylvania. there's all -- it's all racist. >> don, don't confuse culture with systemic situation. so, for instance, in new york, getting a special prosecutor. transparency laws. you know, that's what i am talking about by location. if you have a rule on the books, that was made in opposition to body cameras. where, okay, fine, we're going to have to do body cameras. but if there is an expectation of privacy from somebody, we won't show it. and that qualifies cops, as well. that cops have an expectation to privacy. that's the rule in louisiana. that's crazy. that's part of the system. it doesn't exist in new york. doesn't exist in a lot of places. you have to change that rule. you should have a special prosecutor, anytime there is a use of force that is questioned by police. that is worthy of a prosecution investigation. you have special prosecutor, every time. that's the rule. >> i know but that's part of a system in the country that was

set up, for what? i don't understand the location. i mean, maybe, you know, there are different cultures in different places. but that doesn't change the definition. but it doesn't -- that doesn't change what the definition of racism is. >> i am not talking about the definition of racism. >> and what racism is. >> you are talk being different people and different cultures, how they react to racism. >> no, i am talking about how, in certain states, you will be treated more fairly, under the law, than in others because of the system that's set up. and reid's point is, i believe, the genius of the far-right movement has been to make poor-white people think that poor, black and brown people are their enemy. because you are splitting the most powerful bloc of americans. because if you had them all together, race has unique challenges, and requires unique change. but there is a conflation. and if you give access to education. access to equity. access to capital. access to housing, and to

employment, that covers problems with poverty and color. you will have the biggest group of people who want the same things, in this entire country. >> you just described racism. >> i'm telling you, i'm not changing the definition of racism. >> but you are taking a whole thing around. like, you are taking the scenic route to -- you are taking the scenic route to the point, to where you want to go. >> don. >> hang on. the shortest distance. the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. >> it's not just about the straightest point. it's about the simplest answer, don. and if you think that this is enough, what we're doing right now. not you and me. but it's not working. saying everybody's racist. this is racist. that's racist. even when it is. isn't getting us to a better place. >> so what are we supposed to say? it's okay? it's not racist?

>> no, you say this is racist. this is systemic inequality, based on race. >> it's systemic racism. >> there is systemic -- >> you don't need the based on race. as i said, the simple and the obvious definition. >> is race based. >> yeah. when you are dealing with issues of race, it is. >> i'm not -- again, don, i want change. i want policing to be safer for more people, in more places, when they are people of color, or not. >> yeah. >> i'm saying there is a huge coalition of people who, if they knew that the changes were going to benefit them and not take from them, you would have a whole new change alliance to deal with the racism problem in the society. >> where did they get that notion from? >> the right. >> and where did that come from? >> advantage. is what it came from. >> and what did that come from? where did that -- where did that advantage come from? >> even if you swant to see the

root -- look, your answer to everything is about race, it's not going to change anything. >> that's not my eanswer to everything in america. but when you are talking about issues of race, that affect people of color, you can't call it anything else but racism. >> i never have. i never would. >> okay. >> i am saying, do we want to fix it? >> yes. but you cannot fix it, by pretending it's something else. or by making it sound like something else, so other people can feel okay about it. >> there is no feeling okay. i want people to feel -- >> all right. systemic inequality. >> i want more people to feel badly about it, and feel invested in fixing it. that's what i want. >> all right. >> you need to write another book. >> okay. look. cast. you should read that, too. i know christina has. >> is caste another word for race? >> that's my point. i will talk to you later. >> see ya. >> this is "cnn tonight."

excuse me, i did it, again. this is "don lemon tonight." old habits die hard. it's "don lemon tonight." and we have a lot of new developments in a case that we were first to report this week. the death in police custody, of ronald greene, who was kicked, dragged, and tased by police in louisiana. his family said police, initially, told them he died in a car crash. state police releasing a total of nine body cam and dash-cam videos tonight. but only now, more than two years after the death of ronald greene, one of those videos was obtained earlier today by cnn from a source with knowledge of that investigation, in that video, an officer who appears to be a supervisor arrives at the scene as other officers attempting to arrest greene had him on the ground. this is part of it. and as i have said before, i wish it could be the last time that i have to warn you, it is disturbing to watch. >> don't you turn over. don't you turn over. lay on your belly. lay on your belly.

>> yes, sir. okay, okay, sir. yes, sir! >> how many times does this have to happen, while we wait for meaningful-police reform? reform, that's stalled tonight. they are still talking on capitol hill but there is pretty much zero chance of a meeting of the may-25th deadline. by the may-25th deadline, which is the first anniversary of the murder of george floyd. on every one of the issues that really matter to the people of this country, republicans are just hiding their head in the sand. that's all they are doing. and after this week, we know what the gop stands for. we know their priority, if there was ever any doubt about what their priority is. the one-time party of lincoln, one time, stands for nothing, except a disgraced, twice-impeached, one-term, former president, and themselves, not democracy. and while the leaders of the gop are doing everything, in their power, to kill the january-6th commission, before it's even begun. doing everything in their power to ignore the insurrection that

could have killed them. we have more, new video, tonight. video of a large group of proud boys near the capitol on january 6th, shot before the first fences were breached on the perimeter of the capitol grounds, according to court filings and a cnn analysis of footage from the scene. you hear one person, off camera, saying, quote, take the effing capitol. another, unseen person saying, don't yell it, do it. >> take the [ bleep ] capitol! >> tighten up. tighten up. >> let's not [ bleep ] yell that. all right? >> idiot. >> don't yell it. do it. >> proud boys, tighten it up! straight line! >> a proud boy yelling take the effing capitol, and the gop is doing everything it can to stop the commission that's supposed to investigate what happened. that -- they can't even take a stand on hate crimes.

63 republicans voting against the anti-asian hate crimes bill, in a country where hate is flourishing right now. an 84-year-old asian man dying, after being brutally assaulted on the street. look at that. and they can't even take a stand on that. a 65-year-old asian woman attacked in new york city. they can't take a stand on that. six asian women, among the victims of the atlanta-area spa shootings. they can't take a stand on that. hate is proliferating. anti-semitic attacks are spreading in cities all across this country. a man was arrested, after a 29-year-old, jewish man was punched, kicked, and pepper sprayed yesterday, in new york's times square. i am going to talk to him tonight. co you don't want to miss that. a video recorded by a bystander shows several people kicking a man, on the ground, and hitting him with unidentified objects. it's unclear what happened before the video began. and in los angeles, police are investigating after reports that several jewish people, at a sushi restaurant, were targeted by a group of pro-palestinian

men. video obtained by cnn showing a man swinging a metal stanchin at masked men wearing black and punching one of the men, as they tried to grab it from his hands. and with all of that going on in our country, 63 republicans voting against a hate-crimes bill. the qanon congresswoman actually compares the mask mandate in the house to the holocaust. >> you know, we can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star, and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens. so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in nazi germany. and this is exactly the type of abuse that nancy pelosi is talking about. >> i mean, there -- i don't like to call people names but that's outrageous. comparing mask wearing to jews

being sent to the gas chamber. how low can she go? why do republicans continue to coddle her? this week, republicans showed us what they stand for. and what they won't stand up against. so, we have a lot more to come on all of these new developments in all of these stories in the case of ronald greene. the black man in louisiana, who was kicked, dragged, and tased in a fatal-police encounter. there is new video and what the police are saying about it. i was drowning in student loan debt. i was in the process of deferring them, paying them... then i discovered sofi. completely changed my life.

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finally, releasing what they say is all the video of the police encounter that led to the death of donald greene. a black man kicked, tased, and dragged by troopers. cnn obtained new body camera footage showing a supervisor arriving at the scene. greene is already on the ground and other officers are trying to arrest him. and i have to warn you, it is disturbing to watch. >> don't you turn over. don't you turn over. lay on your belly. lay on your belly. >> yes, sir. okay. okay, sir. yes, sir. yes, sir. >> so, in another part of the new video, you hear a trooper tell greene why they tried to pull him over. >> why did you run from us? all you were doing was speed a little bit and run a red light.

>> i'm sorry. i'm sorry, sir. [ bleep ]. >> pushing against me. you understand that? >> greene's mother says, in the hours after his death, police claimed her son was in a high-speed chase and his car crashed into a tree. so joining me now, cnn's ryan young, and captain ron johnson, formerly with the missouri state highway patrol. gentlemen, good evening to you. ryan, you are covering this story. i'm going to start with you. this new body-cam footage. so, tell us more about what else is seen in this video. it is really disturbing. >> no, it is disturbing, don. and look, i called you earlier this week and we had a conversation about this before the video came out. i have been working, nonstop, since then, to get the rest of this video. so it's good now all that video is being released because you are trying to get a full picture of exactly what happened. when you watch this video, one of the things that's disturbing is the fact that he is left in the prone position for so much time. he is laying on his stomach.

he's gasping for air. and as you watch the 30 minutes, he's essentially saying he's sorry, over and over. but he is trying to get some sort of relief. and one other thing that stands out. at one point, an officer says don't move and they put their hands on his back because he's splitting up blood. you think, at that point, he may have been turned over and been able to just sit up, he would have been able to get some air. there's another part where you could hear them sort of, kind of, congratulating each other. this is disturbing when you watch the entire-30 minutes because the one thing that is constant about this is you can hear him gasping for air. you can hear him apologizing. and you just wonder why, with him really having no ability to run anywhere since it's a closed-off street, why wasn't he turned over? and that's something that's very common in policing. as i have talked to police officers across the country this week, who have watched this video. that's the one thing that stands out to them. the fact that there was -- never seems to be any chance for him to get any relief. don. >> captain johnson, in this new,

body-cam video, it is clear that ronald greene is in distress. as -- as -- as ryan just mentioned. that he is spitting up blood. their hands on his back and what have you. he is in the prone position. he is handcuffed. he's told to keep laying on his belly. and we have already seen the video of ronald greene being tased, kicked, and dragged by troopers. does any of this look like an acceptable procedure, to you? >> no, it's definitely excessive use of force. i think, the other guest -- everything you talked about is true. and even in one statement, the officer says he was limp. i thought he was dead. and so, that officer realized what distress that mr. greene was in. and having him remain on his stomach, he was trying to roll over to get some breath and there was no reason. they were congratulating themselves and really no sympathy for what was going on. they were just kind of mulling around, washing their hands. >> captain, at one point, he appears to be the supervisor, he

tells other troopers they did a good job. it's not clear why he is offering praise or what he knew about the incident but does that say anything to you? >> i saw that. that they were fist-bumping. saying you did a good job. there was nothing there to congratulate anybody on. and as a supervisor, when you see someone in distress like that. that should be your main goal, and not to be out there making it seem like you were on some big -- and you did something really well. >> ryan, now, the louisiana state police are releasing all this video evidence. and, you know, i know you -- you had been covering this and you had been trying to get this video out there. are officials saying anything more about this? >> don, you know, originally, this week, they said they basically were not going to talk because of the federal investigation here. but the one thing that's constant. everyone in the nation's made it clear. transparency works best when all the information comes out. so if everything was laid out, we wouldn't have these drips and drabs of information and people

could get a clear picture. that way, your whole sort of investigative agency is not impugned by these drips and drabs of video. and, of course, it's been two years since the investigation first started. >> ryan, captain johnson, thank you both. i appreciate it. he was attacked by five or six people. they screamed obscenities at him, and they beat him. he's just one of many jewish people being attacked across this country right now. and he speaks out, right here, next.

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we are learning about attacks targeting jewish people in several cities across the united states as tensions flair over the israeli-palestinian conflict. in new york's times square, a 29-year-old man wearing a yarmulke was punched, kicked, and pepper sprayed during an incident involving five or six individuals, yesterday. some of the attackers, chanting, f jews, f israel. and i have to warn you, the video is graphic.

it is outrageous and disgusting. tonight, police telling cnn that a 23-year-old man is under arrest and facing multiple charges, including hate crime assault. joining me now, the man who was attacked in that assault. his name is joseph, who we are so glad is out of the hospital tonight. joseph, thank you. i'm so sorry for what happened to you. how are you doing tonight? >> first of all, you know, thanks for having me on the show. you know, after watching that video, honestly, i've seen it, you know, only once or twice. it's very hard for me to watch. honestly, i'm more thankful that, you know, i'm sitting here talking to you guys, and i am here with my family able to celebrate the sabbath after seeing what happened. because honestly, it could have been much worse. and, you know -- you know, that could have been [ inaudible ]

you know? >> it's infuriating. i can't even -- i mean, it's infuriating, just for the average person to watch. i can't imagine, being the person that they were stomping on and beating. the video is shocking. what was happening, before you were -- you were attacked? what -- what -- what happened? >> so, it's ironic, because i had gone to, you know, there was a rally, you know, at 47th and 7th. as there was last week. i went to this rally last week. i was there. i wore my yarmulke. my head covering. you know, i was there for upwards of two, three hours without any, major issues. here and there, there would be an incident but for the most part, it was pretty peaceful. but last night, there was another rally called for. and i got off the subway at 57th and 7th. same routine, you know, walking to a rally. you know, honestly, texting my friends, i will be there in a few minutes. see you soon. and then, next thing you know, the corner of my eye. i see someone chasing me from behind. before i could even react, i was just surrounded by a crowd of

people who, as you saw in the video, proceeded to, you know, beat me down. and then, after the fact, pepper spray or mace me. >> and the thing that, you know, that was horrible. horrific enough. but then, when you look at that suv could have backed over you. i'm looking at that suv trying to back up, and you were laying there on the ground. >> yeah. i mean -- i mean, frankly, that driver. yeah. i look, in hindsight. yeah. i mean, i was -- as soon as they were on top of me, attacking me. i was -- literally, fell to the ground protecting my head, protecting my face. doing what i could to ensure that, honestly, my -- my main thought was just survive, at that point. make it out alive. and, you know, we'll see what happens next. and thankfully, you know, the nypd showed up within a few minutes. pretty quickly, dispersed the crowd. you know, apprehended one of the suspects. and i'll be honest. you know, at the hospital, i met with some of the highest levels of the hate-crime unit. and they seem pretty intent on doing more research and diligence and figuring out everyone that was involved so i

am very thankful for that as well. >> as well, they should. before i ask you about the anti-defamation league, some people did come to your rescue in that video you can see. >> i will be honest. whoever did help me in t, there were a couple individuals, i would love to thank them. >> the anti-defamation league says they are seeing a spike of possible anti-semitic attacks since the conflict began. i have friends who are in los angeles, who have had similar experiences. before you experienced this, was that a concern of yours, joseph? >> i told -- as i told numerous reporters today, i -- i would never even, you know, second guess my -- my -- you know, my opportunity to wear a yarmulke, to portray or broadcast the fact that i was jewish. i never second guessed that, my entire life. i lived in new york city the past decade or so.

and like i said, a week ago, i did the same exact thing and nothing happened to me. so, there was no hesitation in my mind to, a, attend this rally. and to, b, do so as a proud jew, who is supporting israel. >> you know, i have friends who are taking off their house or their doors. >> yeah. i've seen -- i've seen -- it's difficult. i have seen posts about that. thankfully, mine's still up. i haven't received any threats or anything like that. but if so, that's completely wrong, in my opinion, as well. so, anyone who is doing that, you know, it's -- that should be condemned. >> yeah. listen. i asked what -- what you thought of the people who helped you. what do you want to say, if anything, to the people who attacked you, joseph? >> i mean, i don't even want to seek revenge, per se. you know, attack them physically and do so like that. my main concern and my main takeaway is what made -- what made attackers or individuals get to that point of hate? you know, they saw an innocent bystander, innocent individual

walking and first thing to do was pepper spray and attempt to seriously hurt them. for example, i'm going to the rally. i'm -- you know, not not protesting but i'm there to broadcast peace, for everyone, for the jews, for everyone that's involved. but i mean, my last concern is to, you know, go ahead and start hurting people. so my main idea, my main takeaway would be to understand where they're coming from because i don't -- i don't -- i don't get it, to be honest with you. nothing in my life has ever made me [ inaudible ]. >> listen. there is nothing to get from a random attack. it just -- it should not happen. thank you. so much. i really appreciate it. we are glad that you are okay, and that you get to spend this -- this friday with your family. thank you, joseph. >> thank you so, so much. i appreciate it, guys. have a good one. >> you too. democrats can't get their voting rights bill moving in the senate. but state republicans are getting their bills passed all across the country. and texas.

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democrats struggling to find a path forward on a stalled voting rights bill, that's already passed in the house. but currently, doomed to fail in the senate. it comes, as republicans across the country are pushing for more restrictive voting laws, including in texas. a bill there is now only a few steps away from republican governor greg abbott's desk as a close-door committee works on a final version of the legislation. joining me now, democratic congressman, colin allred, of texas. thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. as we watch these attacks on voting rights and the circus going on in arizona, the bill there. in texas, where you are, gives partisan-poll watchers more power, bans counties from sending unsolicited mail-in ballot applications. what would the impact of that

be? >> well, listen, don. this is all in service of the big lie. it's, already, incredibly hard to vote in the state of texas. and they've had to actually be kind of creative to find new ways to make it harder. and you mentioned, you know, partisan-poll watchers intimidating voters in the polling places. trying to limit local-election officials from doing whatever they can within the already-strict limits to help people vote. what they are doing looks like to me is they are trying to push longer lines onto election day. to make it harder for folks to vote knowing that a lot of folks won't be able to wait in line for that long. when you limit early voting, you limit vote by mail, you make election day have more pressure on it. >> you know, you flipped your district, from red, to blue, in 2018. is this all about republicans trying to make sure that trend can't continue? >> you know, i -- it's hard for me to understand because in the state of texas, we have 11 million texans vote in the last election. republicans, still, did well here. you know, donald trump won by over-five points.

john cornyn won by around ten points. you would think they would say look at this turnout. but what's really motivating this, i think, is just trying to stroke the ego of the former president. and trying to fulfill this idea that the last election was stolen. and that they have to do something about it. that -- that's, all, not true. it would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. you mentioned arizona, where they are trying to find, you know, bamboo samples on the ballots because think they may have been tampered with in china. i mean, this is -- this is really beyond the realm of anything we have ever seen before but it is extremely dangerous. >> well, they see how close texas is, no doubt. they see the diminishing returns. even though they did well, they're not doing as well as they had done, before. listen. the republicans are purging people who stand up for the truth. doing everything they can to sink the bipartisan commission, looking at the january-6th incident on the capitol. how do you feel about the votes

of your republican colleagues in the house this week? were there more than you expected? or fewer? >> yeah. well, i do want to thank my colleagues on the other side, who came over and did the right thing, and voted for this bipartisan, 9/11-style commission, that was negotiated in a bipartisan manner. and that really gave them everything they asked for. for those who didn't, and i know there were some who were in the room with me, don, when we were evacuated from the house floor. we were in that room while we were waiting, didn't know what was going to happen. and i saw how worried and afraid thattor they were that day. you know, all i can say is i think of it as being cowardice, to not vote to try and study this. i understand that there is political pressure around this, for them. but this is about the nation. this is about our democracy. this is one of the worst attacks on our democracy, in our history. we can't come together and have a bipartisan commission to study it, and make sure it doesn't happen again? i mean, it -- it's just outrageous but it did pass the house. and now, the onus shifts to the senate. where i hope we can find enough

republican senators to join us in doing the right thing to make this commission reality. >> speaking of outrageous, i have to mention her. sorry for that. marjorie taylor greene comparing the house-mask mandate to the holocaust. she is attacking the house speaker. listen. >> you know, we can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star, and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens. so much so, that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in nazi germany. and this is exactly the type of abuse that nancy pelosi is talking about. >> listen. there are people, now, who are elected to the congress and the senate who are stuck on stupid. she is comparing public-health safety to nazi atrocities. we should point out that only 45% of house republicans have said, if they have been vaccinated. what's this about? >> you know, don, i don't know. and i know it -- it's so damaging because statements like

that are why we are having so much vaccine hesitancy among republicans in this country right now. and when we have less than half the republican caucus in the house admitting that they have been vaccinated, that also contributes to folks around the country not getting vaccinated. we want to beat this virus. we want to get back to normal. we got to get everybody vaccinated. and, you know, these kinds of, you know, statements. i mean, obviously, it's outrageous to compare this to the holocaust. you know, it's -- it's shameful. >> it's offensive. >> but it's so damaging also because there are people who will get sick, who didn't have to get sick, if folks would actually just show some leadership at all and encourage supporters to get vaccinated like so many others have. >> yeah. it's offensive. she doesn't seem to care. republicans don't, either. thank you, colin allred, i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. for 22 years, he said he was innocent. and now, dna evidence on the murder weapon is pointing to someone else.

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an interview with the bbc. >> but my dying words will always be, as it has been, i am an innocent man. >> lee spent 22 years on arkansas's death row, never changing his story. >> to maintain innocence for over 20 years, i mean that's something that i'm not familiar with. >> so he never confessed to you that he had committed the murder? >> not -- not once, not even hinted at it. >> reporter: now four years after his execution, new dna testing has raised serious questions about his case. lee's attorney got a call explaining the findings. what do you think? >> i think if those results had been had before he was executed, he'd still be alive. >> reporter: lee was sentenced to death for the 1993 murder of 26-year-old deborah reese, found strangled and clubbed to death in her home outside little rock. prosecutors in the case relied on eyewitnesses, who testified seeing lee enter and leave reese's house the day of the crime. even after the execution, lee's

family continued to investigate with the help of the aclu and the innocence project. recently they were able to gain access to some crucial evidence, including the murder weapon. and they did something that had never been done before, tested it for dna. what they found confirmed their fears. there was dna, but it belonged to someone else, an as yet unidentified man. in a statement, lee's sister simply said, we're glad there's no evidence in the national dna database and remain hopeful that there will be further information uncovered in the future. we ask for privacy for our family in this difficult time. lee's family, the innocence project, and the acl u-turned down our interview requests, citing their ongoing investigation. why didn't lee's attorney, four years ago, get dna testing to try to stop his client's execution? did you ask for dna testing? >> we did. we asked for dna testing with

the assistance of the innocence project, and it was denied. >> reporter: judge herbert wright was among those who denied the testing request, saying witnesses and other evidence tied lee to the murder. so in his mind, dna or the lack of it wasn't likely to make any difference. >> the judicial standard of review that we look at is whether or not it was likely to, and my decision was that it wasn't likely to change the verdict. >> you knew by saying that, that you were pretty much saying the execution can go forward? >> i knew that. >> reporter: why not allow testing of something as critical as dna? lee's attorney says because that would have taken more time, and time is something the state of arkansas was quickly running out of. the drug arkansas used for lethal injection was set to expire ten days after lee's scheduled execution date. the state openly used that fact as one of their arguments against delay. death penalty critics were

outraged. >> it seems problematic to you, to me. the international community certainly had an outcry. arkansas politicians didn't care. >> reporter: and it appears they still don't. arkansas's governor defended lee's execution despite the new dna discovery. >> the evidence obviously that was uncovered is inconclusive, and the fact is that the jury found him guilty based upon the information that they had. >> reporter: arkansas's attorney general, who is now running for governor, has no regrets. why wasn't there dna testing done before his execution? >> again, the jury heard the evidence -- >> that's not what i'm talking about. >> i understand. >> in the appellate process after that, why was it turned down? why couldn't the dna be done? >> well, the courts determined that there was no reason to hear that evidence and that he was not making a proper petition.

>> reporter: i asked judge wright if he had second thoughts after hearing about the new dna test results. >> one of my worst fears is missing that -- that piece of evidence that -- that goes the other way. but in this case, based on what was in front of me, i feel like i made the right decision. i don't necessarily like the decision, but it was the legally correct decision to make. >> is that justice for deborah reese? >> the wrong person was not put to death. the right person was put to death. ledell lee murdered deborah reese. >> you're 100% certain that the right person was put to death -- >> i absolutely stand by the lawful conviction of the jury and the decisions of the courts. >> reporter: lee's defense attorney also thinks about deborah reese's family and all they've been through. but -- >> i don't think anyone wants someone -- the wrong person to be killed in your name.

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