but it's only human... to know how far we have to go. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. the virus is in retreat. cases are down, across the country. 57%, this past week, from a month ago. six states report an average of less than one covid death, per day, over the past week. why? big raisin is that half of the 50 states have now fully vaccinated at least half of all adults against covid. but only half the states. turns out, the only thing

holding us back is us. more specifically, some of us. more specifically, some of us in certain areas, with very specific politics. the proof. of the 25 states with the best-vaccination rates, 17 of the governors have a d in front of their name. where trump got the most votes, you see the most hesitancy. we're going to go this -- to this in detail with the wizard of odds later. but the question is, if you look for those in congress who are fighting this progress. messing with vaccines. vaccine passports messaging. you will find party of trump members. raises a question. is the willingness to frustrate the fight of a pandemic illness a major symptom of poison politics that is literally making us sick in more ways than one? few people understand the state of play, better than our first guest, tonight. former-republican governor, actively now working to help vaccinate america. new jersey's chris christie, good to see you, gov.

>> good to see you, chris, thanks for having me. >> all right. so, you tweeted, today. made a lot of waves about it. president biden must push back. insist that canada believes in science and wants our vaccines. then tharey need to accept the broader premise, goes hand in hand with the notion of expanded vaccination success. stand up for america. and then, you echoed that later on saying more weakness from biden on this is just wrong. it's a double standard. the message is pretty clear. this is chris christie saying, what, about what biden is doing? and not doing? >> well, look. i'm all for helping canada. and listen. border states, like maine and n new hampshire and vermont, have been permitting canadians to come across the border if they want to be vaccinated in the united states. really, since february. and we're allowing folks to do that and we're sending vaccine, now, to canada.

but if we believe that the vaccines work, then you have to allow people who have been double vaccinated to come into canada. they don't present a risk. and so, how could canada ask us for our help. but at the same time, not allow our citizens to go in? there is so much business to be done in canada. there are family members for folks in canada. there are people who want to go to canada, again. and if they're vaccinated, chris, we are sending the wrong message. and the president's sending the wrong message. this is my argument when he wasn't getting the masks off, earlier, for vaccinated people including himself. it sends a powerful message to people that, maybe, they don't work. and that's contributing, i think, to some of the reluck t reluctance and some of the concern about getting vaccinated. these vaccines are 90 to 95% effective. if they are, then we need to open the border between united states and canada for vaccinated people. and those people present their

vaccination card, they should be able to go to canada and i think canada shouldn't be asking us for our help. >> see. listen. i understand the rest of it. but the problem is how are they going to know who is vaccinated? you just said they showed the card. that's not the answer. pt a the answer is a vaccine passport or any kind of systemic way we can show it. now, you ever said before that you don't like vaccine passport. you say all the rest of that just sounds, to me, like another idea of big government run amuck. how can canada let people in? if they can't tell if they have been vaccinated. but people in your party, include ug, don't want to be able to show that people are vaccinated? >> chris, we do. that card is in the possession of the individual who's been vaccinated. and they can display that card. >> what if they lose the card? what if they lose the card? >> chris, if you lose your card -- if you lose your card, go back and get another one. your healthcare provider, who gave you the vaccines, can give you another card.

>> why don't you want -- well, why not have -- what all that information? that you were vaccinated? you don't think they have more information on you than that? >> well, that -- that's a problem, too, chris. but if these cards have been presented and they are presented to me when i was vaccinated. >> yeah. i have one, too. >> you know what i do, chris? i keep it in the cup. i keep mine in the cupholder of my car so any place i go, if i need it. if i need to present it to someone, i can present it to them. but that -- the possession of that information is mine. not the government's and not some-government agency. and so, if canada gets a -- >> yeah, but they're really easy to fake. they're really easy to -- they're really easy to fake. and i think it's -- >> so is everything else, chris. >> well, no. they are getting better with the technology. it's not like what we were back in school. but what i am saying is, i think this is part of the political problem here. that not you. i have your psa loaded. you are telling people to get vaccinated. you had a change, after you got sick. that you were on the wrong side of what the right messaging is. i'm not coming at you.

but your party is terrible on this. they believe that it's worth telling people that the vaccine is an invasion of their liberty. and that the passport is an extension of the man. and you can't let them track you. what is this about? >> no, listen. first of all, i'll -- i'll disagree with half of your statement. >> go ahead. >> there is no way majority of the republican party who is saying that the vaccine, itself, is a problem. it's not. now, you will have folks, like rand paul, who say they don't want to get vaccinated. that's his personal choice and i think it's a difficult example to set for people. and i wouldn't do it but that's rand's decision. >> only 44.8%. >> he can decide it. >> only 44.8% of republicans will tell cnn they received the vaccine. by the way, there is a cross tab hidden in that. is that you have house-republican members, only 44.8% of house-republican members will tell us whether or not they have received the vaccine.

i mean, come on. this is -- this is conspiracy stuff. going on with them. what is that? i don't want to tell you if i got the vaccine? >> i can't -- i can't comment on why people won't tell cnn that they have their vaccine. i'm more than happy to tell you on here tonight, i have gotten the moderna vaccine. >> they want to be able to say it. but that's you, gov. they have come after you, also, as being a turncoat to the party. >> well, listen. there has to be an absolute-strong signal sent, by the administration in the white house. that these vaccines work. and that anyone who takes actions that are contrary to that absolute fact, that the vaccines work, then we need to push back hard against them. that's why i am upset about this canada situation, chris. because they want our help, right? they want us to take canadian citizens into our country. to give them the vaccine. they want us to send vaccine to them, while you just said, a good part of our country still isn't vaccinated. we are doing that because we're good neighbors and good friends to canada. how about prime minister trudeau being a good neighbor and a good

friend to us? and opening up his border to people who are vaccinated. it's wrong for him not to do it and it sends the wrong signal. and for president biden to sit by and allow that to happen is wrong, too. he should be speaking out against it. >> but look, again, i think -- i think biden should be pushing. i don't -- maybe, the passport's the wrong word. i don't know. maybe that bothers people but they are ones who are best set up at the federal level to get this done. they have the data. i don't see this as any kind of big-brother thing. it will just make life easier. two-thirds of the international tourists in canada in 2019 were from the u.s. so i don't know how this is in their interest. but my point is i think we are slowing ourselves down because there's one chris christie in your party. and you have literally -- >> no, it's not true. >> but hold on a second. gov, let me make the point and then you can knock it down. >> all right. >> we see it with the january 3rd -- january-6th commission. they don't want to have the commission. they don't want to say it was an insurrection. they don't want to say that it was bad. this is about running away for

the truth -- from the truth to keep people afraid, specifically white people. and that is what that party has become about. that's why i am saying there's only one of you. but when you hear they won't do the commission and that what happened on january 6th is overblown and it wasn't an insurrection when it was called an act of terror. don't you think there should be a commission? >> so what i -- listen. i'm on here tonight -- now, i will deal with that at another point. but on the vaccines, chris, the most important thing here is to get this country out of the pandemic. the way to do that is to make sure as many of our citizens get vaccinated, as possible. and the way to do that is to show people that it's skafe and that there is a payoff for getting vaccinated. that's why new jersey still has not taken away the mask mandate. despite the cdc announcing it, we are not taking it off until this-coming friday. people not being able to go to canada. white house not having taken off their masks for quite some time. all these things are sending contrary messages to the american people. and -- and look.

president biden's the guy in charge now. he is the one in the white house. democrats control the house. they control the senate. they need to be sending cons consistent signals on this regardless of party. everyone gets to decide for themselves, chris, if they want to be vaccinated or not. it is a personal-health choice but what i found dealing with focus groups on this is if you give people the facts. which are, vaccines are like putting your seatbelt on, chris, when you get in the car. it won't guarantee you 100% if you get in an accident, you won't get seriously hurt or killed but it makes it much, much less likely and it's safe. and canada shouldn't be doing the contrary, while, at the same time, chris, asking us for help with vaccines. that kind of contradictory, hypocritical stuff, is stuff that presidents shouldn't stand up for. he needs to stand up for america, open up that border. let's get going. >> listen, i agree with the arguments. you couldn't be more right when it comes to let the facts fall where they fall. if the vaccines as good as we

believe it is, then the masks are being hyperprophylaxis. i totally agree with that. and, you know, your buddies over at "the post." it was from a month ago and i had just gotten back from a place that required a mask. so there are politics being played with this also. which is, hey, they are not moving that mask thing because they are lying to you about it. see, and i see a through thread of the pandemic is a hoax. that the masks are a joke. that the vaccine may or may not work. that we don't know where the virus came from because they are hiding it from you. that january 6th never happened. it's a through thread, governor. and i understand that you want to let the facts fall. and you want to make policy arguments as you see. but your party is following a through thread of questioning the truth for no-good reason. >> chris. look, chris. that's just not universally true. let's start off with -- with president trump. who -- who has gotten vaccinated, and who has said publicly a number of times that

people should get vaccinated. >> pretty -- pretty quiet. for him? pretty quiet. >> no, listen. listen. you know, he doesn't have social media anymore, chris. so he has put out statements. i've read the statements and so have you. and republicans all throughout the house and senate have shown, whether it was leader mccarthy or senator mcconnell or other leaders within our party in congress, have gone on and shown themselves being vaccinated. we've had vaccinations being led by a lot of republican governors. as was -- as has with democratic governors across this country. what we need is to make sure, from the white house now, we get a consistent message. >> but the hesitancy -- why the white house? >> just shouldn't -- well, because they're in charge. >> yes. >> canada -- canada -- canada -- our relationship with canada is now being governed by president biden, vice president harris, and the folks at the state department in the biden administration. and my point is, they're

allowing them to send a contradictory message. give us the vaccines. but when you're vaccinated, you can't come to canada. we don't want you. that's just wrong, chris. >> i get it. and we have to find out more about their reluctance. i hear you on the issue. >> i'd be happy -- i'd be happy to talk to prime minister trudeau about it on your show, chris. >> listen. the invitation will be made. what i am asking is this. the hesitancy, as you know, is proportionally more on the right side of the political aisle. and i believe, again, that it's not just, well, republicans are more skeptical of science. i don't think that's true. i think it's been politically weaponized more. and when you look at where places in the country went for trump, they are less likely to want the vaccine. i think that is about this poisoned-political talk that is given to them by members of your party. again, only 44% of republicans who -- who are in congress will tell us whether or not they got the vaccine. why hide it? because you're playing to a base

that you want to talk two ways to. that's why. >> no, chris, look. six to eight weeks ago, i satd w sat with a focus group over -- virtually. with about 26 republicans from all across the country. different ages. different ethnicities. different races. from all over the country. all 26 of them came on the call saying they were not going it get vaccinated. and myself and the doctor got on this focus group, along with some others and we made our arguments to them act why vaccination was so important. and you know, half of those people, with just an hour and a half of this conversation that we had, an open conversation, changed their minds and said they were going to go and get vaccinated. what it shows me it's not about politics, it's about information. and we need to not be -- you know, one of the members of that focus group said something, i think, really important in terms of the way we message this, chris. he said, governor, i want to be educated, not indoctrinated.

and so, people don't, in this country, many people don't want to be told what to do. they want to be educated and come to that decision, on their own. so i think we need to be smart about that. we need to be talking about the facts. that four times the number of people went through clinical trials for these vaccines than go through a normal prescription-drug clinical trial. most people don't know that. that 95% of doctors who have been offered the vaccine have taken the vaccine. those who are best educated on what we should do with our -- with our health. so, when you start to get people those facts, chris, you turn them around. that's what makes me think it's not so much politics as it is some people's reluctance to be indoctrinated from the government, or anyone else, with something. they want to be educated and make their own decision. >> that's fine, as long as you don't use indoctrination as an explanation to lie to people about the facts and give them misgivings. i am not saying you do that but i see that being played on the right side of the aisle. let me ask you something else. here's what i see. i see that you are getting out

and in front of something, that this country needs. and it needs leadership on. i see you doing the psa when they're not that popular within your party. i see you pushing back on how much toxicity you want to see out of your party. and i see you being very smart about what you take head on, and what you don't. like, the january 6th commission. oh, i don't understand why you are not a hard yes on it. sounds, to me, like a great way to get ready for a republican primary. for president of the united states. is chris christie going to put his hat in the ring? >> you know, chris, the great news is i don't have to make that decision now so i'm not going to. >> so it's not a no. remember, our beloved friend who passed away, tim russert? it's not a no. >> no. and i will -- i have clearly said it's not no. in fact, i will say it another way. i would certainly not preclude myself from doing so but i also know two year ss is a lifetime

politics. anytime you make a decision that prematurely, chances you are may not make the right one. i am going to continue to do what i do every day. work hard for my community. speak out on issues like this that i really feel very strongly about. and then, we will make a decision after the midterms in 2022 about whether or not we want to reenter politics. and no one else will make that decision for me, except for me and my wife. >> should have put her first. i know that relationship. you should have put mary pat first, in terms of who is going to decide. she's watching. go easy, chris. >> listen. >> go easy, buddy. >> i ask you the questions and it is your opportunity to answer or not. you are always welcome on the show to do so. god bless and good luck going forward to you and the family, governor. >> thank you, chris, pressure it very much. and everyone, go out and get the vaccines. it's very important. >> all right. governor chris christie, thank you very much. now, that leads us into another wave of what's going on with this. look. i -- i -- i say it. i will stand by it.

i don't know of a lot of chris christies in that party right now. it's not an endorsement, obviously. but go get vaccinated? how often do you hear that? he said trump said it. i haven't really heard it. i know he put out statements. so that's where he is on it. that's not where the party is. and here's how we know. they are obsessed with where it began. and they are doing it almost entirely through the lens of how democrats want to lie to you about it. and how the truth is being kept hidden. so, what do we actually know? there is newly-revealed u.s. intel that adding -- that is adding some fuel to the debate. but we have to start at what do we know? and what do we not know? because now, it's just a mass of ugly suggestions. i got the perfect guest to take us through how to look at this. next. think of what peanuts have given humanity! fuel for vast migrations! sustenance for mountaineering expeditions and long journeys across the world! but most importantly? they give us something to eat when we drink beer. planters. a nut above. i order my groceries online now.

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the worst of the pandemic is, in all likelihood, behind us. that's what those in charge, and looking at the science and looking at the data say. good.

so, how about a return to the beginning? where did the virus come from? well, china. okay. but how? animals? like, bats? that spread it to humans? by mistake? intentionally? or was the virus weaponized and unleashed from a lab? all those are legitimate questions. but it's how people are exploiting the unknown to forward bs that we have to expose. this theory, that it was from the lab, is gaining traction, especially here. especially, in political circles on the right. u.s. intelligence determined, several researchers at china's wuhan institute of virology fell ill, in november, 2019, and had to be hospitalized. why? now, that adds fuel to the arguments that it was covid-19.

that's why. do we know that? no. but, it is something that trump and co have been pushing for more than a year. listen. >> have you seen anything that gives you high confidence that it originated in that wuhan lab? >> martha, there's enormous evidence that that's where this began. >> what gives you a high degree of confidence that this originated from the wuhan institute of virology? >> i can't tell you that. i'm not allowed to tell you that. we have a lot of information. and it's not good. but, you know, whether it came from the lab or came from the bats, it all came from china and they should have stopped it. >> now, look. the reason that they are pushing it is because they want to forget who failed to stop it here. okay? that's the interest because, remember, trump was all about the love when it came to china. and how they were dealing with covid. until covid started to hurt him at home.

and until the big lie, which really started with the fact that the pandemic was a hoax. hold on. that that's what this was about. that's why there's this curiosity. because the more wrong china is, the less wrong trump was. that is a the theory. now, one of the people who have seen the u.s. intel report on the sickened-lab workers. okay. tells cnn there is still nothing definitive. the wuhan-lab director calls the report a completely. do you believe them? it's up to you. even dr. fauci is open on, maybe, covid-19 may be not being simply transmitted from animals to humans. take a listen. >> no, i'm not convinced about that. i think that we should continue to investigate what went on in china, until we find out, to the best of our ability, exactly what happened. >> now, you know what i just did? i added to the problem. why? i said he's come around to.

when did you hear him say that he knew, for a fact, that it didn't? he sue whee what i am saying? fauci doesn't know where it came from. he thinks you should know, and keep looking. good. i have no problem with that, do you? but it's the assumptions. so, we spoke to a disease specialist on this program, a year ago. okay? he said that he had worked with the very same lab in wuhan, and he was there at the same time that this would have had to be developed. and here's what he said. >> what about the president and his friends' concerns that china did this to us, on purpose? do you believe that there is proof of the same? >> there is absolutely no evidence for that, at all. there is no evidence that this virus was created in a lab. there is no evidence, at all, that it ever was in the lab. in fact, we have worked with the lab in wuhan for 15 years, now. we know everything they do. and we know that they do not have that virus in the lab, prior to this sars outbreak.

i've never seen any evidence of any one saying things that aren't true or even hinting of anything untoward from that lab. it just did not happen. >> it was strong, when that was said at the time. peter. president of the eco-health alliance. but now, we have to ask whether he had skin in the game. motivating that answer. how so? his organization funded coronavirus research at the wuhan institute of virology. and he was, also, part of the w.h.o. team sent to china to investigate the origins. so, let's now go to one of the first people to connect the dots on the lab-leak theory. that is, jamie metzel, former nsc staffer under president clinton. jamie, thank you. let us start with the most flagrant of the notions and work our way towards where you think we are best suited, in this moment.

they did it. they weaponized it. and they did it to hurt us. and then, they sent it to us. do you believe that? >> yeah. i think that's extremely unlikely. as you've mentioned, i have been -- i was one of the worst people to raise very, very significant questions about the origins of the pandemic. and the likelihood, even as i see it, that this stems from a lab accident. but the idea that they weaponized it, and purposefully released it just doesn't make sense. i've seen no -- even circumstantial -- evidence suggesting that. and it wouldn't really make sense, because they understand that -- that viruses are uncontrollable. so even if you think, as i do, that the most likely origin is an accidental-lab -- lab leak. that doesn't mean that you're, automatically, have to support that this was genetically engineered or a bioweapon or anything like that. >> politics, infecting the science. that works two ways, in this situation.

would the chinese create something that they thought could hurt us. but then, it becomes an accident? that sounds like a political explanation for how something gets out. why would you believe it's an accident? >> so, i don't think you have to start your story believing they are trying to make a bioweapon. i think, what the most likely possibility is, and again, this is just a hypothesis based pon all the -- the evidence that i certainly and others have collected over the last year and a half. but what i think is most likely is they were collecting these very dangerous viruses. and were poking and prodding and studying them with the very-well-intentioned desire to develop vaccines and treatments. because we know there are more and more of these kinds of outbreaks. so they were trying to get ahead of the curve. many scientists around the world supported them, in that effort. and then, i believe, what most likely happened is there was an accidental leak. followed by a criminal coverup.

so it could have been very well-intentioned activities, at the wuhan institute of virology. that could have sparked this pandemic. >> but when you say that it could be, could be, could be. does that mean that you have ruled out that it could have just been one of those animal markets? or whatever? you know, that the other explanation is other than a plan accident? >> so certainly, the animal market. the wuhan wet market. i think most people have ruled that out. and it was clear, last january, that that was essentially a lie. it was published in the lancet in january 2020. that 40% of the first cases had no contact with the -- the wuhan wet market. and so, that was certainly, for me, what peaked my interest because i was asking, early-last year, why would the chinese government be lying about -- about something like this? >> that's an interesting point, though. let's -- >> let me just -- let me just finish. >> go ahead. go ahead. >> okay. yeah. so, in terms of could it be

an -- could it be what we call a zoonotic jump? absolutely, it could be. past outbreaks have happened in that way. past outbreaks have happened from lab accidents. that's why we need a full and unrestricted investigation into all origin and hypotheses with full access to all the relevant, records, samples, and personnel. and that's exactly what china is denying. >> and that's -- let's end on that. why do you think that they won't let you look, if there's such a benign -- excuse the pun -- explanation? >> well, it was benign, in the beginning. let's just say this hypothetical is true. let's just say that the pandemic started with an accidental-lack leak. definitely, people make mistakes. countries make mistakes. i was working in the national security council when we accidentally bombed the chinese emba embassy and actually paid reparations, as a result. but once you start a possibly criminal coverup and what they -- what happened --

whatever the origin of the pandemic. that first month, when china was spending all of its energy trying to cover things up, rather than fix the problem. that was what allowed the stove fire to become a kitchen fire to become a house fire to become a world fire. >> jamie, i appreciate it. as you learn more, as you learn that things aren't true, please, give a call. you will always have a platform. >> will do. thanks, chris. >> all right. global outrage, tonight, over what is being called a state-sponsored -- state-sponsored hijacking. how did that happen? a jet liner forced out of the sky over europe, so a government's ruler could seize a journalist. now, we're seeing the man they wanted for the first time since his arrest. we have a guest. calls it a hostage video. how is this okay? or is it the new normal? authoritarianism. next. eck, crying for help.

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international outrage is growing, tonight. and that is a good thing. why did this plane, that landed in belarus, get driven out of the sky the way it was? it was not an ordinary landing. ryan air's commercial flight with over 100 passengers was

flying from athens, greece, to lithuania, on sunday. when this belarusian fighter jet, under the pretense of a bomb threat. upon landing, it was clear, what this was about. the officials promptly arrested this 26-year-old journalist, named roman, who told fellow passengers, he feared being killed. this evening, there is new video of him speaking within a detention center in minsk. in it, he confesses to organizing riots. his supports say he is speaking under duress. let's bring in political scientist, ian bremmer. what do you think of this? >> it's staggering. it's a criminal act. it's an act of state tare iz am. terrorism. and the united states and the europeans cannot just condemn this in the strongest terms. they have to take action, against the illegitimate government of belarus and president lukashenko, who

brought this plane down. >> now, i say there is growing outrage tonight but we are still really on the low end. i mean, when is the last time that we have ever seen anything like this that wasn't just an outright attempt to blow a plane out of the sky? to motivate a negative agenda. to actually come -- they have no party to this, right? you got greece and lithuania. this is a regional flyer. it's not a belarussian name. and they redirect it. when have we ever seen this? >> it's never happened. irish plane flying, from greece, to lithuania, with almost-200 mostly-european citizens onboard. brought down in minsk as it's flying through belarus in space. you have a fight onboard with -- with -- with nationals int intelligence operatives from apparently belarus and/or

russia. saying that there is a bomb threat from -- later, the government says hamas. it's obviously fake. and they bring the plane down and, you know, the -- the -- the -- this -- this journalist, who is one of the lead-opposition irritants for the belarusian government and his girlfriend, who also is a russian national. and started this -- this journalist blog along with him. reporting on a lot of the illegal acts. a lot of the criminal acts. the -- the police brutality in belarus against all of the demonstrations that we have seen over the past months. we've -- we've never seen behavior, like this. and the -- this -- this strong condemnation you are seeing from the europeans and the americans, definitely, reflects that. but as you say, chris, that has not, yet, translated into action. and there's good reason to believe that it won't translate

into serious action. and that is a long-term problem for the international community. >> well, you got to ask. why not? you know -- you know, the -- what you ignore, you empower. ian bremmer, let's stay on this together. and the early suggestion, that, well, it wasn't their air space. under international law, that gives that military no right to do anything, like this. and that is clear. we'll stay on it. all right. we're so close on the pandemic. i really do believe it's a time to push, and i do believe it's a time to expose the osks. obvious. politics is part of the problem here. okay? that's why we had governor chris christie on tonight. he is putting out the right message. his party isn't. but there are also, other, major factors that are contributing to the vaccination effort. class. class. we have to start thinking about that. and what it means, in this context, about the gap in immunization. the wizard of odds says, hey, don't talk about it. show it. the numbers. next. mint chewables.

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there is a desperation to divide. in our politics but in our culture, as well. and if you want to see the net effect to this point in this country, take a look at the vaccine. all right. here's what we see. all the big through-line numbers are heading in the right direction. cases, down. hospitalizations, down. death, down.

same for the one that matters, most, of course. right? should have said death, first. probably. my mistake. even more, you start to get into the obscure. and you start to see that things are getting back to normal. how? hand-sanitizer sale, down 80% from a year ago. remember, wiping everything down in sight. and then, they actually just, eventually, told us now that's not really how the virus spreads. but that's down. when you look deeper, you see, once again, that so manuch of ts reality is a function of where you live. the wizard of odds, hairry ente, is here to show us why it's true, no matter how you want to sl slice it. everybody's going to try to shoot this down, harry. so it's got to be shoot down proof. let's start with the big one. money. what do you see when you look at the vaccine gap and class? >> sure. so, you know, look at the top-25 states for vaccinations right

now. and look at the poverty status in those states. look at this. you see a lot of this yellow-orange on your screen. that means, below average for poverty status in most of those states. only, i believe, three or two of those states on the screen. two of them are above average for poverty. what does that mean? it means the states that are getting vaccinated the most have the fewest number of poor people in them. and this is something we have seen in the polling, as well, right? where wealthier people have gotten much more of the vaccines. that's partially an access -- you know, access to the vaccine. it's partially because a lot of these poorer people have been at work, and they haven't been able necessarily to take off the time. but this is one of the big problems that we have in this epidemic so far. we see that until the vaccination rates as well. >> now, you didn't measure this, specifically. but there is also an overlay that is something worth asking about at some point. which is, you look at poor people. and people of color. there is good and bad reason for distrust of vaccines.

there's historical imperative of being abused. there is an idea of what this might be about, that could be dark on it. that could be at play, too, in terms of other cultural reckonings and people ace su susceptibility, yes? >> lot of the folks who want the vaccine but haven't got it yet are from households that make less than $50,000 per year. so i do believe at least a launch e large chunk of this is an access problem. and i have to say i think we are not necessarily focusing on that enough, you know, we put up these lotteries and stuff. and that's great. we should be doing that. but we should make sure there are more of these vaccination centers in the places that poor folks go for medical care because that is one of the lajest ways in which they say they are more likely to get the vaccine. >> so then, the other, big factor was, all right. class, okay. culture imperatives. access. okay. but what about politics? what do we see there as an overlay of hesitancy? >> boy. this map is just so amazing to me and what it essentially shows you is the top-25 states, look

at this. joe biden blue. pretty much, awl of the states. 21 of the top 25 states for vaccinations were won by joe biden. including, the top 25. just four of them were won by donald trump in the last presidential election. and so, this is something that we have seen in the polling throughout. where democrats, over and over again, said they were more likely to get the vaccine. and now, we actually see it in the real numbers. whereby, the states that are blue, those democratic states, are far more likely to get vaccination numbers up. and this is one of my fears going forward. where we could almost become a country divided, again, whereby the blue states may end up being able to keep those death rates down in the coronavirus. but while there is the potential for perhaps an upswing in the red states. hope that doesn't happen but with the vaccine rates you are seeing right now so strong in the blue states, you have to ask that question. >> strong points. thank you for putting up the question and the answers. harry enten, wizard of odds. i have a big bolo for you, ahead. the party of trump did not succeed in overturning a free-and-fair democratic election but doesn't stop 'em

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trumpism is alive and well beyond the halls of congress. i want you to look at what's happening in arizona, this fraud and forget about how they are doing it and who's doing it. but, who's paying for it. the states senate? they can't afford it. enters fund the audit. it is powered by the american project. who backs the american project? trump's lover and former over stock ceo patrick burn.

>> this guy. >> i got involved with the fraudulent election. it didn't end for us on january 20th. >> his back reviews are a one-off. i want to reintroduce you to who he was. the name may sound familiar. you saw him on this show two years ago and at that time he was claiming he was ordered by the fbi to have a relationship, romantic relationship with a russian spy. >> in 2015/16, i took some requests from those fbi. it is the only time i want to say "men in black" because they're not the bad guys here. this was the guy who was raising money for the organization who may have a hand in figuring out who gets to do the counting in

the next audit. follow the money because that's part of following the politics. the race that's not on the top ticket especially on a top level. some of the president's former biggest supporters who helped push the big lie, they are running offices, running for secretary of state and key battlegrounds and georgia and arizona and michigan. why does it matter? >> if they lose, we already know the strategy. blame fraud. because you don't need proof if people just want to believe things because it makes them feel better. trumpers holding this top election position could help decide who controls congress in the next election and perhaps more importantly who sits at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, 2024. how are these big lie advocates

likely to fair with the party already taken move to suppress the vote. bolo. we will and we'll be right back.

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