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and make very clear decisions about how money is spend, and who exactly is negotiating with the police officers' union to determine what basic guidelines are in terms of what they are or not held accountable. >> so that's the former president. hindsight is 20/20, right? this is at the national level that they're proposing now, the george floyd justice and policing act. is it enough to make the changes needed and satisfy the issue that president barack obama was just talking about? >> well, i think it's a start. i think it is the beginning of moving that needle in that direction. president obama was talking about how he could help create this moment that we're in right now. push us to this place where we're alone, especially in states where the governors were
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different. the congress is different. there was a different atmosphere in the country at the time. and it took the movement of folks in the community to get us to this point. i don't think the president could have gotten us there, one of them was make sure we have consent decrees in cities to monitor police departments. >> speaking of, i talked to you about it this summer on my podcast about newark being under consent decree. to make changes to policing since tend of the obama administration. what did that require? tell us, what did you think of that? >> consent decree is necessary. the department of justice, the obama administration, when i came into office, they had already begun an investigation and decide that they needed the consent decree for the police department.
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we had to work with the justice department. the first thing that worked, we didn't push it away. we were not aggressive saying we didn't want this. we embraced it and said let's work together and believed that we needed it. that was the first step. we began to change policies and practices by bringing the community and changing use of force policy. changing policies around stop and frisk, policies around de-escalation. all of those are important. we have new policies, over a dozen new policies that created in concert with the community about police behavior, culture, how they should act, all those things are important. so that does work if you have a city, a mayor, a police department, that wants to work alongside of that and realize they've been doing something wrong for a while and it's time to change direction. >> listen, we saw a few weeks ago the verdict in the chauvin
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trial. steaming from george floyd's murder. this is former president speaking out about the impact of george floiyd's murder. watch this. >> when george floyd was murdered and we witnessed it, on phones and televisions and screens and images, it was just the most vivid reminder that the criminal justice system in this country has never operated in a color blind fashion. and that the consequences for families and communities has been devastating. and when i saw the mobilization primarily led by young people over the last year, it gave me hope. what has given me even more hope is the way in which it wasn't a one-off but that hope has been
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translated into action. >> is that lasting? is it going to be lasting, what happened, the events that took place over the last year? the protests, the unrest, the verdict and so on? >> that depends chiefly on us and the strength of our will and pushing, making sure this is not a moment but a series of things that happened. because of what took place. all the organizing, the black lives matter, growth during this time. and i believe black lives matter didn't exist. if that organizing and movement didn't take place. we're not at this place. many times, black people have been killed by police on camera in very heinous ways and we didn't get to this moment. i think the movement caused this moment and it is up to us to push it further, to keep it on the minds of the public that things are wrong and need to be
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changed. and that begins with george floyd and policing but all kinds of local and state bills that need to be pushed and need to do more than george floyd policing bill. >> always a pleasure. thank you, sir. i appreciate you appearing tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. the senate taking up a key vote on a commission to investigate the deadly january 6th capitol attack. joining me now, charlie dent now, political cnn commentator, brendan buck is with me as well, former top aide to john boehner. thank you for joining me. tomorrow senate republicans will likely kill any hope of the january 6th commission. it could be their first filibuster. what does it mean? >> i think first it means the effort that has taken place to
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whitewash what happened has been remarkably successful. there is a poll out that shows a majority of republican voters believe that the riot january 6th was led by left wing agitators trying to make donald trump look bad. this is the reality that so many republicans are living in right now. so this actually, in a sad way, is an easy vote for republicans to vote no. the voters are hearing from back home, this is all an effort to take on donald trump. it is a party that unfortunately has become held hostage by the base but also a strain of the base, an anti-intellectualism and anti-reality that doesn't allow to us look the truth in the face. so this will end up being an easy vote for them. >> don't they believe that because their leaders are not telling them the truth? it is this circular lodgegiclog? they believe it because the
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president told them and then because the people who are supposed to represent them in washington and supposed to be their leaders are playing into it and not actually standing up. they don't have a back bone to tell them the truthful isn't that what leaders are supposed to do? >> it takes me back to january 6th when mitch mcconnell went to the florida. very clearly put the blame on donald trump. very clearly, he is responsible for this. after a while he backed away. they didn't want to hear that. voters back home didn't want to hear it. at this point they're basically ignoring it. republicans like any other politician, they want to get re-elected and all they care about are republican voters. the primary requisite to be a republican is to support donald trump. it is an easy vote for you. >> the mother of fallen capitol
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police officer brian sicknick wrote a letter in part saying, i suggest all congressmen and senators who are against this bill visit my son's grave at arlington national cemetery and while there, think about those officers who will be there going forward. at least 15 senators have agreed to meet with gladys sicknick. what does it say about this that these heroes are having to beg for an investigation in. >> well, i think mrs. sicknick has made a powerful presentation. if write the gop, i would adopt this. for the fact that a bipartisan independent commission looking at the facts, let alone set up a committee that will be very partisan and they will be there in a way the gop will not like and in all likelihood, the gop will have people out front, like
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they did in that hearing, several days ago, where they did not put their best foot forward. people visiting the capitol. so i think the gop is in a bit of a bind. and i agree the political analysis of where we are. theon thing i would add, while this may be an easy vote for many members in safer districts, those in the seats voting for an independent commission like this, this pales for them. this leadership is. more beholden to them in the very same seats rather than the majority makers. those in the marginal seats where they cannot just pandering to a base to get relktd. >> thank you. congressman, good to see you. you led the attack. this shows you confronting the rioters. you said that you had to fight
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your way out of the capitol. what questions do you have about that really horrific day that can only really be answered by a january 6th commission? >> yeah. thanks for having me. it was a horrific day. no doubt about it. there is no other way to pain this. this was not tourists. any attempt to characterize this other than a violent insurrection against our democracy is not telling the truth. we have to make that cheer over and over again. not allow people to rewrite the history of that day. there is a lot of unanswered questions. why was not there national security? why intelligence assessments, information broadly available to members of the public was not properly assessed and translated into security measures that day. listen, my familiar came in
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earlier to see me join the congress. my wife and i decided based on public reporting, based on what we had seen on social media, we decide that had she and my kids would actually fly home early so they were not around for it. we made that decision. we had information to do it. the police, the national guard, did not make the same decision. so we need to know why. this is not just an exercise in the integrity of history. we have to figure out what went wrong. >> why are republicans afraid of that? >> well, because it is political for them. you have people like kevin mccarthy who only wants, this is the only thing he wants. to be speaker of the house. that's it. i honestly believe he doesn't care about health care, infrastructure, combatting the rise of china. he just wants to be speaker. for him, he needs donald trump to accomplish that personal mission.
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so anything that makes donald trump look bad or that impugns his colleague on the other side of the aisle. >> you heard the comments that i just read. she said the trump steady drum beat of the big lie can continue to inspire his supporters to take up arms. are you concerned that the january 6th, that it may not be a one-off? >> i am absolutely concerned about that. we know it is not a one-off. over a month ago, we buried another capitol police officer. this was not just january 6th. we had another attack on the capitol since january 6th. we had a domestic terror movement in america. it has been enabled, it has been legitimized by the leaders at the highest levels of our country starting with donald trump. that's the sad reality. if we are not honest about what it is we're dealing with, if
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we're not honest about the dangers of that movement, we will not address it in a way that we need to and we will be at risk. this is not just an exercise in history and making sure that the history books accurately rein effect january 6th. we have a current problem we have to address and we have to be honest about it and we have to do what is necessary to keep ourselves safe. >> issince it looks like this bl doesn't have a chance in the senate tomorrow, democrats have a responsibility to look into january 6th. do you think leader pelosi should make this bynum? maybe get others involved in. >> well, i am a big believer that you are sent to washington to take a vote. so i'll see where people stand. we need to see where people stand. i think there needs to be a
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commission of some sort. i haven't had the chance to talk with republicans and democrats who have supported the commission, there were 35 republicans who said this is the right thing to do and we need to do it. i think we need to work with them to the extent we can. we're now willing to forward a commission or a committee of some sort. there are answers that we have to get to. we can't just get to the gao investigations, the things that are going on. we'll get a lot of information that way but congress has a responsibility here too. >> thank you. i appreciate it. so i want to dig deep into what we know that the capitol insurrection. joining me now, focusing on technological threats against a society and since january 6th, he has been one of the leading voices to identify the people who stormed the capitol. good to see you again.
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so republicans are trying to rewrite the history on january 6th, claiming the people who stormed the capitol were like tourists, never a threat, hugging and kissing officers, that it was left wing agitators who actually did it. but there is body camera footage from the metro police officer michael fanone and it shows the truth. look at this.
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>> you have been studying all the videos and the court filings. talk about how horrific january 6th was. what are you seeing in the filings and video? >> we're seeing in text what your viewers just saw in video. the appetite for violence translated across that event. there were hundreds of people there, intend on doing serious bodily harm to the officers there and to the members of congress whom they were protecting. you see officers getting crushed. people hurling abuse at those officers. what is remarkable to me is that anyone could hang the word tourism over that. especially after seeing footage of the kind you just showed. >> and left wing activists and agitators? >> i mean, i think the real
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story here is there is a desire to rewrite history. unless we get serious public facing investigations, clearly the history has been rewritten for many in the republican party. >> some are claiming a few bad apples are responsible. but over 400 people, more than 400 people have been charged chug a man named peter stager who beat an office we are a flagpole. here's how he explained the violence. >> that entire building is filled with treasonous traitors. >> death is the only recommended for what's in that building. >> again, so there it is. with our own eyes and ears. but yet, a few bad apples, hugging and kissing patriots. what else are you learning about
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the defendants? >> a lot. right now the counts keep going up. we're near 450. what is important to realize is that you have different sets of defendants. some people are just being charged because they were at the capitol. but you have some that are engaging in serious violence and in some cases, serious conspiracy to commit that violence. >> now you see their attorneys appear on television, trying to manipulate it to make them out as victims. either of the president's rhetoric or a system that was stacked against them. the former president is denying any responsibility for the people who stormed capitol. what are the rioters saying? >> well, for a guy who absolutely loves the glorification of himself by having his name everywhere, you think he would have been thrilled because his name was everywhere.
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it was on the goes in, the lips of people who were there now. he washes his hands of it leaving these people's lawyers to say, well, they thought they were getting advised by trump to do this. it's true. the last time someone counted like 250 arrests ago, over a dozen defendants said they thought trump was guiding them and telling them what to do. so you have that component. the question of his incitement, too. people close to trump including some insiders like roger stone are really lurking at the margins of this. we know roger stone's bodyguard contingent was there. there's a lot we don't know. it is why a commission is so critically important. those questions, maybe we won't get them answered otherwise. always a pleasure.
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>> thank you. >> a shooter killed eight people when he opened fire in a massacre at a san jose rail yard today. president biden lowering flags to half-staff for the fifth time during his presidency and the california governor says this. >> it begs the question, what the hell is wrong with the united states of america? what is wrong with us?
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how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. we enjoy having you on as much as possible. this is a really large crime scene and the suspect killed himself. is there any pattern to mass shootings in this country? >> there are a couple of things that i think are common to many, many mass incidents. this has been a finding by the fbi in their research that most mass shooters approach the incident with some sort of underlying grievance. they are angry about a work issue or a relationship issue. maybe a spouse. even an ideological issue. there is a common issue with behavioral issues. but the one thing that is common
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in all of them is their use of highly powerful, incredibly lethal, many times military-style weapons. we have to ask ourselves at these moments which of these common always can we address? you comjust legislate your way out of grievance, out of mental and psychological challenges. we could if we had the will to do so, the military high powered weapons. >> president biden is releasing this statement demanding action on guns. he said i have the solemn duty of yet again ordering the flag to be lowered to half-staff just weeks after doing so following the shooting at spas in a grocery store in colorado,
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enough. for law enforcement. from a law enforcement perspective, what kind of action would we take that would have any impact. >> i'm a gun owner. i carried a gun for 22 years every day as a law enforcement officer. i can tell you as many would, there are all kinds of thing we can do to make this country safer. we could get rid of the gun show loophole. that is easy to do. we could embrace any one of these situations that advocates for background checks. we could get the amount of time that it takes to do these fwrounl checks. right now they have a very short time.
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and whether or not the check can go through accurately and completely. so there are all kinds of ways to adjust the laws in this country to better protect our citizens from violence committed by people who have guns but should not have access. >> this was gavin newsom earlier today. >> there is a sameness to this. a numbness. it begs the damn question. what the hell is going on in the united states of america? what is wrong with us? >> what is wrong that this keeps happening here? in a way that we don't see in any other countries. >> it is can you please founding, what kind of support in this country, it is for reasonable, rational gun control laws. yet we don't do it. you have to believe it is because a fair section of our
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the senate unanimously passing a bill to declassify any information related to covid-19. it comes on the same day president biden ordered agencies to step up their investigations into the origins of coronavirus. and it is happening a day after cnn reported the biden team spiked the investigation that was trying to tie the origin to the wuhan lab. joining me now, the author of var var yanlts. thank you. >> why would the biden
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administration speed it up just to start another one? >> there is a lot of noise about the potential origin of this virus. the single answer is we don't know. if i can give you a little insight. this is the seventh, actually the eighth coronavirus that has entered the population. in the last one that came, in it came from a cave in south asia, south china. there was another one, mers, that came from just a minute but was found first in saudi arabia, thousands have miles away. it took about five years to find the origin of the sars virus. rather than doing it that way, we ought to give credit to the ones that go into the caves. about 500 times of bats live in the southeast asian region.
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there are millions and millions of bats. and we know this is different from any other virus. and we just haven't found the virus yet. >> spelunker. >> just last week, a dog virus, coronavirus, infected and sickened children in malaysia. so this is continually happening. we have to find the natural source for this. this is not a lab made thing as far as i can tell. it is not related very closely, at least parts of it, i never thought of the concept of spelunkers. >> that's how i found out where sars came from. it is dangerous in those caves. filled with all sorts of viruses. that's what you have to do. you have to have people in
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washington. you have to have scientists on the ground trying to find the battle. they're all over the world in all sort of speesways. >> a lot of people were investigating and told the world the lab leak was extremely unlikely. was the world wrong the liberty? >> no. i don't think so. i think it is still extremely unlikely. we don't know that didn't happen. but we don't know it did happen. >> let me ask you this. people areding that it did happen because of the work here got sick. we don't know specific will you if they were sick with covid, right? >> exactly. i was with to tell you. i was in wuhan in november, 2019. >> wuhan, just before covid, i
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got a terrible cold. i came home and gave it to my family and it was the worst cold in ten years. it wasn't covid. just because you have a serious cold. wuhan is the heart of the industrial part of china. it is polluted there and they have a lot of colds. it is not a healthy city. there is a lot of stuff in the air in wuhan. it is one of the most polluted places in the world. >> then there is this misinformation that was coming out at lightning speed. much of it from the former pre himself. trump and his official constantly staying pandemic isn't a big deal. it would go away soon. promoting treatments like, you remember short hand. hydroxy, hydroxy chloroquine. and who can forget this. >> supposing you brought it inside the body. which you can do through the skin or in some other way and it you said you're going to test that, too. sounds interesting.
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and then i see the disinfectant. it knocks it out in a minute. one minute. is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside or almost a cleaning, you say it gets in the lungs. >> i cannot -- when i say, i still cannot believe that happened but it did. it doesn't help when you need credibility for an investigation into how it all started, does it? >> no. but this is a really serious issue. we do have to know origin of the virus if we're going to prefl ourselves. but we have to do the research. this kind of debate that tips and clouds the issue, if you listen to the health officials, they'll tell you we don't know the answer. that is the actual answer. the only way to understand what is coming at us, these viruses,
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we know where a bunch of them came from. right now with the dog virus in malaysia, the eighth time these viruses have entered humans that we know that. we have to prepare ourselves. we have to do the research. so this kind of, argument, it puts into a political realm which is the last place you want science to be. you don't want science to be a political football. you want to look at the facts because it is the facts that will save us. this has been a good week for covid. a new antibody was approved today for treatment. it is a good day tt united states for covid. let's hope we can xeem good thing going.
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let's really use our best abilities to see where it might have come from. seven out of eight times it came from animals. will this be the exception? >> you get no argument from me. thank thank you. >> texas republicans, i'm trying to not teach kids like slavery and racism. oh! don't burn down the duplex. terminix.
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an education bill making its way through the texas state legislature could have a major impact on how students are taught on major events on the history of slavery and racism. supporters of the bill say the goal is to keep personal biases out. classroom. opponents say it is an attempt to whitewash history. i want to bring in now georgina perez of the state board of education. i'm so glad you're here. so let's learn a few things. good evening to you. the bill says teachers may not teach that an individual by virtue of its individual race or sex is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive whether consciously or unconsciously. what will that mean in real world issues? >> the real world impact of a
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bill like this is requiring teachers to teach the fine people on both sides theory. so imagine teaching fine people on both sides of the indian removal act, or the fine people on both sides of slavery and lynching and jim crow. or the fine people on both sides of the massacre of 15 mexican american men and boys being shot to death in the middle of the night by texas rangers. where are the fine people on both sides? >> the bill also teaches, says the teachers may not be compelled to discuss current events. if they do, they need to strive to explore the topic from diverse and contending perspectives without giving deference to any one perspective. how is a teacher supposed to discuss white supremacist marches in charlottesville or el paso in the attack without giving deference to one perspective. is that an attempt to both
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sides, even current events? >> i don't believe that there are teachers that are going to try terribly -- it is a difficult toeming to approach. how do you do that? one of the things teachers are screaming about right now is, what if i just don't do it? what will happen? who enforces this and what are the consequences? this is ridiculous. the idea that you'll introduce thought police and censorship and silencing of students and teach enters into texas classrooms. it is unrealistic. we're not going to be censoring teachers and we won't be silencing students. it's ridiculous. >> i wonder, what is the other side? what is the other side on this? is the other side that yeah, there was some credence to the indian removal or some credence
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to, i don't understand what the other perspective is. can you help me? >> no. i can't. i don't have another perspective. it is wrong to enslave people. it is wrong to massacre people. it is wrong to lynch people. it is wrong. and there is absolutely difference. there is absolutely bias. i'm human. >> the bill sponsor, state representative steve, listen to what he said earlier this month. >> do you want our texas kids to be taught the system of government in texas and the united states is nothing but a cover-up for white >> what do you say to that? >> if you look at texas history books, right now, we have a book in 8th grade history. u.s. history.
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that says africans were immigrants. immigrant workers. and mexicans didn't exist, until the spaniards arrived, and conquered south and central america. so, if we're not, already, teaching white supremacy exists. then, what is it? >> that -- that is a very good question. and one, we'll -- we'll continue to think about. although, some of us don't really need to think about it that much. and discuss. thank you, i really appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. this is the sound of an asthma attack... that doesn't happen. this is the sound of better breathing.
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so, thank you for watching, everyone. before we go, i want you to take a look at the new cnn film, burning of black wall street. it premieres, monday night, 9:00 p.m. so many people have said there were no bodies there. but, you know, all the black folk in the community, we believe they're there. those stories were passed on to us. >> reporter: inch by inch, crews are digging into the history of the 1921 tulsa race massacre. tulsa's mayor initiated the investigation to try and find if there are any victims buried in mass graves. >> there was a systematic
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