i was worried that i'd never get another shot. >> he was not at all happy. he thought his career was over. rock is probably the most cultural event in the history of america. it outswung the whole generation of freaks. >> it's what guys seem to get off on. they like the high-energy sort of event. >> if sight and sound is your pleasure, you bet your bottom, we've got them, baby. >> unless you have been living in a sealed cave, you probably noticed that america's latest craze is disco dancing. >> this is punk rock. its purpose to promote violence, sex and destruction in that order. >> pure rock 'n' roll. pure stamina! ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ rock singer jimi hendrix died today in london, according to a police source, from an overdose of drugs. >> janis joplin was found dead last night. the cause of death was said to be an overdose of drugs. >> jim morrison, the lead singer for the doors, a rock music group, is dead. he was 27.

>> the early years of the '70s are sad in music. because you lose people. and you lose the beatles. >> the small gathering on saville row is only the beginning. the event is so momentous that historians may one day view it as a landmark in the decline of the british empire. the beatles are breaking up. >> it was like a death for a lot of people. rock 'n' roll as we understood it in the 1960s was no longer with us. >> being without the beatles -- never. ♪ >> and i wonder what i'm doing here with no drummers and no nothing like that. well, you might know i lost my old band, or i left it. ♪ imagine there's no heaven it's easy if you try ♪ >> for so long, you kind of waited for the next beatles album to see where music was going.

and we just hoped that the music they would come up with individually would be that good. >> i don't no longer have to, oh, the beatles need an album, you and paul better go write 20 songs tomorrow, kind of thing. i just write when i feel like it. ♪ imagine all the people ♪ >> you know, yoko, you've even been called the dragon lady who brought the beatles apart or took them all -- might have trouble with english -- >> please give her the credit for the nice music that paul made and ringo made and paul made and i've made since we broke up, if she did it. >> the fact is, yoko ono did not break up the beatles. time broke up the beatles. money broke up the beatles. business broke up the beatles. a desire to go off and do their own stuff broke up the beatles. >> he's a fleshier, heavier beatle these days. respectably married. when the kids come to his concerts, they don't scream anymore, they listen. >> the significant thing is that both john lennon and paul mccartney made music in their own particular ways that was

focused on the fact that they were deeply in love with a woman. ♪ but i'm not the only one ♪ >> mccartney went home, made that record where he plays all the instruments on his own. this kind of cozy domesticity, beautiful, wonderful, warm music. >> it's going to look roughly like this. this is our first showing of it. so this is just the mock-up, folks. >> the new album with atlantic. >> it's going to be called -- >> ring co's. >> i sell records. doesn't matter if i'm with the beatles or not. if they don't like the record they won't buy it, you know. >> ringo, who to this day people dismiss way too much, has tremendous success in the '70s. and george harrison, who had been stockpiling these amazing songs, explodes like a supernova on an album called "all things must pass." may be the greatest beatles solo album of all. ♪ you don't need no passport ♪

>> over the you know, you know, such a lot of songs mounted up i only wanted to do. i got a quota of one, or two per album. >> were you held down by the other fellows? >> well, very subtly, yes. ♪ ♪ >> i'd just like to thank you all for coming here. you all know it's a special benefit concert. ♪ ♪ >> ravi shankhar went to george harrison and said, this terrible thing is happening in bangladesh, what can we do? that created the first major superstar benefit concert ever done. >> the concert for bangladesh was the grandaddy of all issue-themed concerts. not only did you get george harrison, you got eric clapton. >> it got dylan out of hiding. it put two beatles back on the stage again. it was unparalleled at the time and may still be unparalleled. ♪ ♪

>> a great deal of music of the '70s was people who had succeeded in the '60s finding new ways to express themselves in the '70s. >> have you got any idea why your group particularly has lasted as long as it has? >> because we stayed together, i suppose. >> for a few years, the rolling stones had taken a lot of casualties. >> even brian felt that he wasn't going to be around that long. not everybody makes it. >> they were fighting for like, where do we secure our foothold now? ♪ ♪ >> 1971, the rolling stones leave their home for tax purposes to go live in france. and record this record. "exile on main street." in a very hot, uncomfortable, muddy-sounding studio.

♪ ♪ >> that record is the embodiment of a band making masterpieces on a daily basis. and i remember reading the review saying this was a debauched album. i was like, i don't even know what debauched means, but i've got to get some of this debauchery stuff. ♪ ♪ >> having come out of the '60s which was its own animal, the '70s had to show a new skin, it had to shed the old one. ♪ ♪ ooh yeah ♪ >> i was never very confident of

my voice as a singer. i thought rather than just sing, which would probably bore the pants off everybody, i'd like to kind of portray the songs. ♪ and i turn myself to face me and i never caught a glimpse ♪ >> david bowie has always been a game changer. he really is taking the promise of rock that the beatles kicked off, and he's taking it all sorts of interesting places for others to follow. ♪ ch-ch-ch-changes ♪ ♪ time to make a change ♪ ♪ ch-ch-ch-changes ♪ ♪ pretty soon you're going to get older ♪ ♪ time may change me but i can't trace time ♪ ♪ i said that time may change me but i can't trace time ♪

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this year i took some time off from touring and went off on some adventures of my own. and this is kind of a -- a letter back home. ♪ ♪ ♪ ooh california oh california i'm coming home ♪ ♪ oh make me feel good rock 'n' roll band i'm your biggest fan california i'm coming home ♪

>> you look to the horizon that you want to move toward. and that horizon was here in l.a. >> that's where the record companies were. and there's lots of sun. >> the way i got to california is just really simple. i got there in a '57 chevy by skipping my finals that year in college. >> virtually no one was from southern california. they're all drawn to the light. and the light is the troubadour club. >> things happened gradually until we played the troubadour club in los angeles which holds 250 people. it just happened on the first night. >> every great songwriter i can think of came through the troubadour. jackson browne, j.d., henley and frey, linda ronstadt, joni mitchell, james taylor. >> the big sea change was people writing their own songs and expressing themselves. >> is it difficult to reveal it constantly to so many people? why do you have to do this? >> i feel an obligation to

myself and to people, to try and share myself, maybe as honestly as i can. ♪ i left my folk and friends with the aim to clear my mind out ♪ ♪ well i hit the rowdy road and many kinds i met there ♪ ♪ many stories told me all the ways to get there ♪ ♪ ooh ♪ ♪ so on and on i go the seconds tics the time out ♪ ♪ there's so much left to know and i'm on the road to find out ♪ >> everyone was just trying to do whatever came into their head. >> in the early days paul and i, we wanted to be the goffin and king of england. goffin and king were very big in those days.

>> we had no idea who the people were, the mysterious mr. king was. wrote the songs, chains the beatles did, i'm into something good. which was part of the british invasion. we did discover this remarkable woman, carole king. >> carole king made the transition from being behind the scenes woman to a star in her own right. ♪ i feel the earth move under my feet i feel the sky tumbling down ♪ ♪ i feel my heart start to tremble whenever you're around ♪ >> carole king is the embodiment of what happens. because in the '60s she is trying to write hit songs for other people. then in the '70s with "tapestry," it's the definition of an album of self-expression. let me go into my house in laurel canyon and tell you about my life. >> after church, you always went out for pancakes. if you were lucky enough to ride in one of the girl's cars, you know what you are listening to? "tapestry." ♪

>> there was a lot of very important women who were some of the most significant writers and contributors to music at the time. >> we're going to do a song written by my friend john david souther, who's my favorite california songwriter and one of my favorite singers. it's called "faithless love." >> she was in many ways my greatest collaborator. i became a professional songwriter because the best voice of my generation was doing my songs. ♪ faithless love like a river flows ♪ ♪ raindrops falling on a broken rose ♪ >> for my money, linda is still underrated just for sheer singing power and style and emotion. ♪ and the night falls in like a cold dark wind ♪

♪ faithless love like a river flows ♪ >> there have been articles and things that identify me with the l.a. sound, me, jackson browne and the eagles. we need some new blood in this town. you know? we're starting to get stale. ♪ >> a song about a welsh bitch. ♪ she rings like a bell through the night and wouldn't you love to love her ♪ >> the original fleetwood mac was a four-piece, full-on blues band. >> they were an english band that became a dual citizenship band. they were as american as they were british. ♪ all your life you've never known a woman tainted by the wind ♪ >> we had an album out, two years previous to joining fleetwood mac, called buckingham nicks. nick really liked the music. they asked us to join.

♪ rhiannon ♪ >> fleetwood mac, first stevie and lindsey album, for sure changed our lives. we had arrived. ♪ freedom ♪ >> describe being rich and famous in california. >> this is it, kid. ♪ freedom freedom ♪ ♪ >> hit records sometimes bore an audience. oh, well, they're not going to have another hit. or, this one isn't as good as that. >> record companies, like frothing at the mouth, the imaging of the band was becoming a whole thing. so we were getting ready to make "rumors." with everyone falling apart.

♪ if loving you isn't the right to do ♪ ♪ how can i ever change things that i feel ♪ >> stretching the band. there's five people. five very independent, quite strong-minded, quite stubborn individuals. ♪ if i could baby i'd give you my world ♪ >> two lovely couples, john and chris married. their marriage was on the rocks. and stevie and lindsey might as well have been married. that all was falling apart. ♪ you can go your own way ♪ ♪ go your own way ♪ ♪ you can call it another lonely day ♪ >> we were testifying. and "rumors" became the church. ♪

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♪ ooh-ooh let me tell you now ♪ we were shocked. not only were they incredibly talented but they looked like us.

♪ when i had you to myself i didn't want you around ♪ ♪ no pretty faces always stand out in a crowd ♪ >> how long you been singing? >> three years. >> see you went to grab it right away. snatch it right out of my hand. >> michael was precocious, he knew he was cute. you would watch him go from that to commanding a stage in front of 15,000 people. amazing. ♪ ooh baby give me one more chance ♪ ♪ one two three ♪ ♪ oh darling i've been trying to let you go ♪ >> the only american group to have four consecutive number one records. ♪ oh oh oh ♪ ♪ i want you back ♪ >> for the first time young black kids had their beatles. >> hey, man. >> you don't know? the jackson five.

>> that's us. >> and that's no jive. >> the jacksons were the last act from the classic motown hitsville system. >> motown was a very unique place. a lot of other companies were being run by businessmen. we had a music man at the helm. berry gordy was a songwriter. >> ironically, here he was trying his best to make black music that would cross over to the white world. ended up making the greatest black music ever. >> he created a machine. where you take the artist, polish them up. make them a great package that they can play "the ed sullivan show" and kill. >> back in the '60s, marvin gaye wanted to be frank sinatra. >> he was svelte, clean-shaven, debonaire. all that changed in the '70s. >> marvin wanted to compete at a high level, why can't i make a record like the beatles? i'm selling records like they sell. why can't i have that artistic expression?

♪ punish me with brutality ♪ ♪ talk to me honey so you can see what's going on ♪ ♪ what's going on yeah what's going on ♪ ♪ tell me what's going on ooh ♪ >> marvin gaye was very much affected by the vee negroponte war. his brother was in vietnam. so he's hearing all these stories about what's going on over there. he's seeing the protests here. and it's changing him. >> he holds up a mirror to america. look at yourselves, america. >> he's talking about the war. he's talking about poverty. changing artists in a way that berry gordy is not super happy about. ♪ everybody thinks we're wrong they do ♪ >> initially berry gordy did not want marvin to do "what's going on." >> motown was supposed to be

nonthreatening and you have marvin gaye making a protest record about the war that could potentially ruin good money. you don't lightly talk about the government. ♪ yes i want to know what's going on right now people ♪ >> ultimately when he agrees to put out "what's going on," berry tells marvin, okay, if you're right, i'll learn something. and if i'm right, you'll learn something. and of course, as berry will say, i learned something. >> every artist at motown was suddenly also wanting to try their chance at freedom. >> when people say, so they put you in one category. they say, he is a soul artist. that's all they expect for you to sing. that's all they want you to sing. that's not true. soul is being able to express yourself. >> stevie wonder went to berry gordy and he negotiated his creative freedom. and he used every bit of it. ♪ ♪ very superstitious ♪

♪ writing's on the wall ♪ >> stevie wonder making some of the greatest records anyone has ever made in popular music in america, back to back to back. >> it's the equivalent of shooting a perfect shot from half court with your eyes closed. "music in my mind." oh, he made it. he ain't going to do it again. "talking." "indivisible." "first finale." oh my god, he did it. and then suddenly "songs in the key of life." ♪ you believe in things you don't understand ♪ ♪ >> what the beatles did in the '60s i feel stevie wonder was the person to do that for music in the '70s.

>> hi there, welcome aboard. you're right on time for a beautiful trip on "the soul train." what's your pleasure and what's your treasure? bet your bottom we got them, baby. ♪ this is this is this is ♪ >> "soul train" finally offered america its first view of afrocentricity. it was a new idea to say, black is beautiful. >> i would literally run home from church to get home to see "soul train." it was the one reliable place to see the artists you loved. >> there's no question "soul train" broke a lot of artists and introduced a lot of artists to audiences that they had never performed for. ♪ >> ten years before he did the moonwalk, michael jackson debuted the robot in 1973 on "soul train." >> people had done the robot before. but there was a way he did it. it was faster. it was sharper.

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rock, the music that infuriated so many people in the '50s and '60s. the music that so many thought too loud, vulgar, and somehow dangerous to our morals. rock has not only refused to go away, it has become an institution. ♪ >> heart was a big deal. because in the decade that was dominated by a type of rock 'n' roll that rhymes with rock and begins with a "c," but i won't go on further, they were willing to play with those guys and succeed on their terms. >> the stuff from the '60s was like, oh, that's way too hippie, now we have to up it a notch. ♪ ♪ >> the audiences had come to expect a better standard of performance. a better quality of lighting and sound and staging.

they had come to expect a show. ♪ we still have time we might still get by ♪ ♪ every time i think about it i want to cry ♪ >> in the '70s the groups started to become more theatrical. they realized just giving them the music isn't enough. we have to give them something to look at. >> more naked people. more misbehavior. more over-the-top stuff going on. just -- just more. ♪ oh young child ♪ >> playing stadiums was too unreal. it would just be a sea of faces into infinity. ♪ with your sweet bag of lies ♪ ♪ crazy crazy crazy on you ♪ ♪ crazy on you ♪ >> stadium tours put a lot of people near music at the same time. what they also do is force the musicians to play to the back of the hall.

>> in the '70s, that distance between the performer on stage and that audience grew. >> if you went to any of the big arena rock shows, it was always about the star up here and the audience down here. and this sort of iconography of the rock star as this huge figure. ♪ crazy crazy on you ♪ ♪ oh ♪ >> it was bound to happen, but it comes as a shock nevertheless. in a poll taken by a leading pop music magazine in england, the beatles came in second. the most popular rock group in england these days is called the led zeppelin. >> in their 20s, they're rich, powerful, temperamental, and pampered. they are the led zep lip, a rock group on tour. in the vernacular of the record biz, where to be merely big is nothing, zeppelin is very big. to get around, zeppelin uses a chartered 707.

the kind of plane president nixon uses. ♪ but the president's plane doesn't have an organ nor a 15-foot mirrored bar, nor in the private quarters does it have two bedrooms and a fireplace. >> i'm a bit upset there's not a pool table on board. apart from that, i think it's about the best way to travel. >> americans are now spending $2 billion a year on music. that's $700 million more than the whole movie industry grosses from ticket sales in one year. about three times the amount of money taken in by all spectator sports. >> i'm telling you that rock 'n' roll is basically no different than ibm, xerox, sara lee, chevrolet. supply and demand. it's no different. >> rock 'n' roll had been a little gritty novelty business. it was not the center of the world in the '50s and '60s. in the '70s it becomes the main event. that has repercussions in all sorts of positive and negative ways.

>> the total cost of this tour is $3.5 million. now, the gross of the tour is in the region of $11 million. so -- yeah, it's a living. >> it was so decadent and over the top, and money just -- whoo -- being thrown against the wall. >> could be a bit of a hypocrite, you know, if you're consistently evoking the ideas of young people and bouncing off the ideas of young people, taking young people's money and putting it in your pocket, you know. and really what you are is a middle-aged family man. and it's only the hypocrisy that i'm worried about. ♪ >> bruce springsteen was trying to reclaim the soul of rock 'n' roll by going back to basics. >> using emblems from the past that were kind of being discarded at that point. ♪ every day you sweat out on the streets of a runaway american dream ♪ >> using a sound that was not what was on the radio, was not

what was mainstream rock. ♪ suicide machine ♪ ♪ sprung from cages on highway nights fuel-injected stepping out over the line whoa ♪ >> bruce springsteen created his own counterculture. it just speaks exactly to the american spirit. you couldn't hit it on the head more than bruce springsteen did. ♪ baby we were born to run ♪ ♪ yeah yes we were ♪ >> "born to run" was a towering statement in the middle of the '70s. it was the cover of "time" and "newsweek." >> bruce did not like it at the time. me, on the other hand, i'm like, my friend's on the cover of "time" and "newsweek." this is cool. >> when "born to run" comes out in 1975 it is the desire to escape the claustrophobia of the 1970s. it is an anthem to save your soul.

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so everything is bam, bam, bam! ♪ burn baby burn ♪ >> that's the sound of disco. ♪ burn baby burn ♪ ♪ burn baby burn ♪ >> i love disco. i always loved dance music anyway. because whatever i did as a producer was always danceable. >> okay, there you go. you need the melody -- >> giorgio moroder working out of munich put together technology and soulful vocalists. donna summer being the ultimate embodiment. and they make some of the biggest records of all-time. ♪ ooh love to love you baby ♪ ♪ ooh love you love you baby ♪ "love to love you baby" was four minutes of singing. 14 minutes of -- a lot of not singing. ♪ oh love to love you baby ♪ ♪ oh love you love you baby ♪

>> i always wondered for the life of me, was moroder in the booth like, more passion, more! >> actually, i shooed everybody out of the studio, switched the lights off, made sure the tape is running, and i said, okay, let's go ahead. and i think she did it in 10 minutes. ♪ ooh ♪ >> the donna summer records were some of the biggest records of all-time. and they kicked off a revolution. ♪ i want to do it till the sun comes up ♪ >> unless you've been living in a sealed cave, you've probably noticed america's latest craze is disco dancin'. that's dancin' without the g. >> what's disco, man? >> fluffy, where have you been? ♪ i want to but on my boogie shoes to boogie with you ♪ >> what the discos take in and what they generate with the

records, we're talking about an estimated 4 billion, with a "b," $4 billion a year. >> i remember really being upset about this word disco. it was r&b music to me. i felt like they stripped it and gave it a new name and weren't giving credit where i think the credit was supposed to go. >> do it again, second half of the course, but bring that sound in, that's great. yeah. okay. one, two, three, four. ♪ tragedy ♪ >> the beegees always liked r & b, they always liked soul. i always saw them as a pop band but that always had r&b leanings. >> the bee gees did what pop stars do. they really got the zeitgeist of what was going on. ♪ ah ah ah ah staying alive staying alive ♪ ♪ ah ah ah ah staying alive ♪ >> this is the scene outside a new york disco called studio 54.

this is the place that's in with the disco crowd. >> i have been to goat ropings and space shots. i've been in a lot of strange places and seen a lot of strange things. but nothing stranger than studio 54 at the height of its popularity in the '70s. ♪ >> it's where you come when you want to escape. it's really escapism. >> in the front door of that spot was insane. i sometimes would just walk by to watch the people not get in. because that was fun too. >> oh, you are not shaved. there's no way yous is getting in. it doesn't matter, you're not shaven. listen, just go home. >> you had to be selected. you had to be chosen to get in. >> we can't let in everybody who wants to come in. i wish we could. ♪ oh freak out ♪ ♪ le freak c'est chic ♪ ♪ freak out ♪ >> the great sheik, go to studio 54 to get in. and they don't. so they write a song. ♪ have you heard about the new dance craze ♪

♪ listen to us i'm sure you'll be amazed ♪ >> it was kind of a diss at studio 54 for rejecting them. the part where they say freak out actually began as something else. ♪ freak out ♪ >> it went from something off to freak off to being freak out. ♪ just come on down to the 54 find your spot out on the floor ♪ ♪ oh freak out ♪ ♪ le freak c'est chic ♪ ♪ freak out ♪ >> that's probably the best thing that came out of studio 54 was that song. >> disco was a revolutionary force. funk marries disco, and it leads to hip-hop. ♪ >> it's 1979, i heard chic's "good times" come on. and i just kept hearing someone

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kick out the jams, mother [ bleep ]. >> detroit, 1969 is where punk was originally born. ♪ yeah, it's all right ♪ >> the motor city five and iggy and the stooges release two pioneering albums that indicate there's a new style of music coming back. it's a garage rock. it's minimalist. it's aggressive.

it's loud and it's very often obnoxious. ♪ got to kick out the jams, yeah, kick out the jams ♪ ♪ got to kick 'em out ♪ >> punk rock was so f'ing scary to us because here we are with our big majestic songs. and here comes punk with their -- ♪ >> the ramones get started as a reaction of everything else that's going on. people see them and go this is the answer. ♪ hey, ho, let's go hey, ho, let's go ♪ >> here to see how great rock 'n roll is supposed to be done. >> how is it supposed to be done? >> no pyrotechnics, no phony showmanship. just pure rock 'n roll. pure guts, pure stamina. ♪ they're piling in the backseat they're generating steam heat ♪

♪ pulsating to the back beat ♪ ♪ blitzkrieg bop ♪ >> just real and raw and there's no crap involved, as opposed to the standard schlap we hear on the top 40. >> the ramones are part of a wider new york scene. >> you had people like patti smith. >> i'm an artist. rock 'n' roll is my art. >> the new york dolls. >> the dead boys. >> rock and roll anybody can play. >> and richard hell. >> richard hell was one to cut his own hair. ripping his clothes and safety pinning them together. >> he was the king of the punks. the safety pin thing, for instance, is his. it's pretty clear that he invented that. ♪ hey, ho, let's go ♪ >> punk in the united states is a statement of sorts of what music is and how it ought to be played. in england, punk rock is not a musical statement, it is a social one. >> if punk has a home territory, it is here on kings road in the middle of london, the same street that launched the mini skirt and the look and mood of the swinging '60s.

>> what's this done for us? nothing. ain't got me a job. >> there isn't any future for a kid now. i mean there isn't. >> there is an indigenous anger and frustration that drove a lot of punk on and got a lot of young people behind it. ♪ london calling through the far away towns ♪ ♪ war is declared and battle come down ♪ >> you have been said to be a political group. >> yeah, i've said it. it's true. >> if there were jobs, maybe we'd be singing about love and kissing or something. >> the clash, musically, is the best of the lot. doesn't sound like traditional punk, but it doesn't sound like anybody else but the clash either. ♪ but i have no fear because london is drowning ♪

♪ i live by the river ♪ >> punk was a wide umbrella and that wider scene included people who were a little bit more complex in their musical performance style. people aren't going to buy something that you call punk. they might buy it if you call it new wave. >> we hear a lot about punk rock these days. can we have your thoughts on that? >> i think it's better to just call it a new wave, really. i think by defining it as punk you're automatically putting a boundary around what is possible. bands like talking heads are excellent. >> talking heads was the ultimate. they did spiky music that reflected who they were and particularly reflected the fascinating individual that david byrne would emerge to become. >> i wrote a song about urban guerrillas from the point of view of their daily lives instead of the point of view of their politics. ♪ heard of a van that is loaded with weapons ♪ ♪ packed up and ready to go ♪ >> this area of new wave music is where stars of the 1980s are going to come from.

♪ >> what makes the '70s so special is that there's still a sense of naivety, the thought that music could really make a difference in your life. ♪ this ain't no party this ain't no disco ♪ ♪ this ain't no fooling around no time for dancing ♪ ♪ or lovey-dovey i ain't got time for that now ♪ >> you pick any genre you like and the best music made in that genre is made in the 1970s, and you'll have a hard time proving me wrong. >> what was great about a me decade is it allowed the greatest artists of our times to do their greatest work because they were really exploring. that's as deep as popular art ever gets. ♪ i might not ever get home ♪ ♪ this ain't no party ♪ ♪ this ain't no disco ♪ ♪ this ain't no fooling around ♪ ♪ i love to hold you ♪ ♪ i love to kiss you ♪ ♪ i ain't got time for that now ♪

♪ hi, welcome to cnn. i'm robyn curnow. coming up european vacation, travel taking off again for the vaccinated but exactly where can you go and how do you prove you got the shot? after four elections and a failure to form a government plus a bloody battle of hamas, a major announcement is pending that could oust benjamin netanyahu from power in israel. and fears of a new volcanic eruption in the democratic republic of congo already cost billions of doll