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president biden slamming the efforts by republican led states to restrict voting rights, calling it an assault on our democracy. >> this sacred right is under assault with incredible intensity like i have never seen, even though i got started as a public defender and civil rights lawyer. with an intense skpit aggressiveness we have not seen in a long, long time. it is simply un-american. it is not however, sadly, unprecedented. >> the president announcing vice president kamala harris will lead the biden administration's push to protect voting rights across the country and acknowledging it will be an uphill battle. democrats in texas walking out and derailing a republican bill designed to suppress voting. the g.o.p. governor is fighting mad. what are the democrats next move? i will ask the chairman of the party who will join me in a few minutes. first john harwood.
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john harwood, president biden calling the attack on voting rightsa know unprecedented assault on our democracy and is putting the vice president in charge of the white house efforts. you say it is an example of the shifting power dinam nick the country. talk about that. >> think about what happened today, a democratic president elected on the strength of non-white votes in key states went to oklahoma to recognize a racial massacre of african-americans in a way no previous president has done, to propose steps to redress to narrow the racial wealth gap today, which is massive. he also spoke out against attempts to curb voting rights and placed his vice president in charge of them. all of those things are related because the republican opposition that he faces is speaking for a segment of the
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white population today that does not want to talk about racial injustice against blacks because they feel like they are suffering discrimination. that does not have any interest in narrowing the racial wealth gap, because they think that will come out of their pocket and terrified of the fact that america is on the fact to becoming a majority/minority country and have seen the democrats won the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 popular elections and their response is to try to make it harder for non-white americans to vote and to make it harder for certain key states to certify democratic victories if democrats actually win as they did in 2020. the impulse existed in the republican party before donald trump came along and he accelerated that because he became the champion of the most important segment of republican voters to promise to turn back the clock on change. that is why his lies are being
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used to propel the efforts to restrict voting. joe biden said he will fight but it is not clear if he can defeat them. >> trump is telling people he expects to be reinstated by august and sydney powell is arguing that it can happen, even though it is garbage. what is the point here, just to rev up the base in the short-term? when that comes they will go on to something else. >> it is insane. borders on something we have not seen before that they have ridden this wave to january 6 and now seeing the danger is still here. it is a clear and a present danger tore the united states. the issue is polling. you look at the polling and the fundraising. i know you are like geez, going
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back to data again. you look at the polling and the fundraising, this is where they are at. i had someone say 35% of people are already supporting trump. look, you have to see that 78% of republicans do. they don't care about independents right now or democratic polling. they care about the 2022 primaries and how they carry it through. the crazy that you see is the current era of conspiracy t theories that started in december and has come up to january 6th. now people need to pay attention to what is going on in some of these communities. it should be incredibly terrifying. >> there is a former national security advisor, michael flynn. openly saying that a coup should happen here in the u.s. >> i want to know why what happened in myanmar can't happen
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here. >> no reason. i mean it should happen here. no reason. that's right. >> we should have known from myanmar. this is coming from a retired three-star general. how incredibly dangerous is that? >> a former air force officer. it is shameful. somebody that wore any uniform would say something so ridiculous and unhinged. at some point we have to identify that the individuals are dangerous, right. what they are saying can be really used for individuals to sort of radicalize themselves in order to do violence.
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you can see the backpedaling. mike flynn is insane, either he needs help or is doing it for the grift and the money. i think that is what it is about. but from what he is saying, i think that really he crossed the rubicon into crazy town. i really do. >> there is the danger of what you said. there is the danger that americans are buying in to that type of thinking that goes just beyond the president will be in office again into the bending their own reality, thinking things are true that are not. i am telling you, it trickles down in to society, beyond january 6th into the way that people react and react in their normal lives. some of it comes out in violence and others about reality. i think there is something to be studied there. i have to go. i am going to talk to somebody else that i need to discuss the
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stories with. thank you very much. i appreciate both of you. now to texas where republicans are pushing one of the most restrictive voter suppression laws. you led the texas democrats in a walk-out of the state house to block these voting restrictions. this is one of the most far reaching voter suppression bills in the country. tell us about the danger to your state. it was the house democrats that had enough of the sham legislative process going on sunday night. they were given a 70-page bill after the conference committee without any democratic input into the bill. none of the members that were
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democrats were allowed to participate in the discussions and the putting together of the frankenstein bill. they laid it on the house. they, before their could be any debate, they restricted the debate by a vote of the republicans in the house. and they were go to shove it down the throats of people in texas. our people tried to debate. they tried to argue that it is a racist bill, sdagainst people o color in general. rather than participate in the abuse of the legislative process the republicans were engaged in, they walked out. they walked out spontaneously and walked to an african-american church close by in austin, texas and let the people know what was going on in the texas legislature. this is a most horrendous voter suppression bill in the united states today in a state where it is already the most difficult place in the country to vote
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today. the republican party did it not just because of the big lie mr. trump has been propagating all over the country, but because they cannot hold on to power as long as people show up to vote. we had a almost 10 percentage point margin in the presidential election to five percentage points. the only way they feel they can hold on to control is not by good policies and laws that help the families in the state of texas but by preventing working people and people of color from going out to vote. >> greg abbott is threatening to
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put the issues on the agenda for the election. do you have a concern? can you talk to me about that? >> it is a special session he wants to call. he is really angry. what he was going to do after the bill he was sure would be passed, he was going to have a spike the ball tour in the state of texas. it is all about the republican primary. it is controlled by trumpists in the state. they were advocating there was a big lie allowing trump to lose the election and biden to win the election. he wants to get reelected as governor. he has a opponent he is very afraid of. when he did not get to have his tour because his bill did not get passed he called for a special session and decided to freeze the pay of the
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legislatures and said that he would eliminate all funding for the texas legislature. this is absurd. but this is how bizarre that this man is who is the governor of the state of texas. we know we are going to come up against the same obstacles that we came up against the last time around. texas legislatures are ready to fight. they are not go to give up and they are not go to give in to the racist policies by the republicans of the state and particularly the governor of the state of texas. if governor abbott wants to arrest legislatures in their 70s for refusing to take part in this, let him do it with the full cameras on the state troopers who will be arresting people that have been legislating and working in the legislature for 40 years.
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let them prove that it is more important to do this and pass this racist bill that prevents souls to the polls on sunday. >> also allows republicans to overturn the election if they don't like the outcome. >> exactly. >> thank you for your time. i appreciate you. thank you. max, thank you. let's talk about this. it is not just texas. this is an assault on voting rights happening around the country and you say that it is all part of a republican plot to steal the 2024 election. explain the plot, please. >> you are seeing a republican offensive on american democracy. the real justification is they don't want to lose another
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election like they lost in 2020. they are disenfranchising a lot of voters. you are seeing advocates of the big lie running for secretary of state in georgia and arizona so that you will put the trump conspiracymongers in charge of election security. first in 2022 and then in 2024. in 2022, you know, the party that is out of control of the white house, you know, usually picks up seats in a midterm election. in the next midterm, republicans are using voter suppression and are drawing closer. that brings up the nightmare scenario for 2024 which is that
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you can have republican majorities in both houses of congress. imagine what happens if a democrat wins a narrow victory like biden won in 2020. you saw a majority of congressional republicans refuse to certify electoral votes. imagine in 2024 they have the power to actually refuse to certify the votes if they are in the majority they don't certify the votes. >> that is what is happening. >> you said if that happens it would spell the end of american democracy. is that a real possibility do you believe? >> i mean that it sounds crazy. it sounds alarmist. i hope it is alarmist. it is hard to say that it is because you just had a mob attack the capitol and republicans don't care about that. they are not even going to investigate it. you had a majority of
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congressional republicans voting to overturn the election results. i fear we have crossed a rubicon that things that were once unthinkable are not anymore. and this, to me, it seems like it is what republicans are building up to. having the ability to simply toss out the votes and to just ignore the will of the people. that is a real danger that we have to confront. >> max, thank you very much. we have to get to breaking election news tonight. cnn protects democratic state representative melanie stansbury will win the special election to represent new mexico's first congressional district, a seat left vacant when deb holland joined the biden administration and did defeat mark moores and will give the narrow democratic in the house a bit more breathing room.
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should there be reparations for survivors and descendants of the tulsa race massacre and what does president biden think? >> he supports the study as we said before into reparations, but believes that first and foremost the task in front of us is not -- is to root out systemic racism where it exists right now. vving trucks] pilot over radio: here we go, let's do this. ♪ pilot over radio: right there, right there. [sfx: revving trucks] pilot over radio: g complete. how do you introduce the larger-than-life gmc yukon? with the world's biggest tweet. the next generation gmc yukon. premium that's made to be used.
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♪ (back here where we need you) ♪ ♪ yeah, we tease him a lot... ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. questions at the white house about reparations for black americans on the anniversary of the tulsa massacre. 100 years ago a white mob obliterated the prosperous area known as black wall street in oklahoma destroying blocks of homes and businesses. president joe biden acknowledging the tragedy and announcing steps to close the economic divide for black americans but not mentioning
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reparations. reparations are, you know it is a polarizing topic. you say one way to heal the country is to pay reparations to the descendants of the tulsa massacre. why is that congresswoman? >> first of all, maybe the word repair and amend would be a better word for so many non-black americans. ropee reparations is a welcomed term and a healing term. i do believe the president is a racial equity president. i applaud him for that. the proclamation to highlight the first president in the history of the united states to do that. indicated that he wished all-americans would stand and to take a moment to reflect upon
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how we can all end systemic racism. in my minds and in the minds of so many i spent four days in tulsa. seeing what was taken away. seeing what was placed. none of it pertains to the black community. and i think that at the beginning, reparations there and lawyers are in the midst of lawsuits, claims never responded to from 100 years ago. the voices of mother fletcher and sergeant ellis, and mother randall are living examples of the obliteration of the town and how their lives were taken with no recourse because of what happened. i think that this is a clear example of reparations and it should catapult hr40. >> let me talk about that. you are sponsoring the bill that establishes a commission to
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study reparation proposals. infrastructure, voting rights and a january 6 commission facing dead ends or uphill battles on the capitol. is this something congress has a chance to achieve? >> you raised a crucial issue. the congressional black caucus is the conscious of the congress. we have begun to make an agenda for the month of june. people were ultimately freed after two years past emancipation. george floyd justice and policing act needs to be passed. we are going to go back to washington focused on the fact that we waited too long and we believe that these can be healing bills, at least for the senate to actually respond would be discussions that we think are
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near complete with george floyd. the voting right will be a tough call that i administration, i believe, may be ready to make the tough call to pass the bills. they gave us a lifeline to kill that deadly bill. we need to intervene and have a federal bill. hr40. i continue to maintain that it is a repairing, healing bill and members of the congressional black caucus who have discussed this believe it to be the case as well. we are go to press forward to bring in healing and then the big jobs plan. we are going to have to go big because our time is short and the american people are waiting and there are more people that don't look like me. multicolored community who are supporting the job plan, and i believe they want a less racial community and nation and are prepared to do what the president said in his
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proclamation, come together to rid us of systemic racism and heal and repair the nation. >> we are waiting to see what happens. when are you guys going to do it. thank you congresswoman. i appreciate it. >> we have to do it. thank you for having me. >> my next guest argues reparations have already happened. how so? stay right here. so, you have diabetes, here are some easy rules. no sugar. no pizza. no foods you love. stressed? no stress. exercise. but no days off! easy, no? no. no. no. no. but with freestyle libre 14 day, you can take the mystery out of your diabetes.
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the tulsa race massacre 100 years later. let's discuss. the author of nine nasty words. it has been a minute and good to have you back on. i am hoping everything is going okay. >> good to be here, thanks. >> a lot of it depends on what the word reparations mean. what does the word reparation mean at this point to most people because it has gotten caught up in a larger division in the politics. >> the idea is to repair. more specifically, because words tend to become more specific in their meaning, we think of making up for slavery and jim crow and red lining as something black america needs repair for. >> so, let's get specifically to
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what the president was asked about today. should the descendants of the tulsa massacre receive reparations? >> i think that, yeah. there are still people living who underwent the trauma or are one generation from those that underwent the trauma and i think that there should be an acknowledgment of what happened was wrong. in the form of payment or funding of programs that makes perfect sense to me. not because i am against reparations but reparations for black america already happened in the late 1960s. some worked, some didn't. now it would have to be about whether or not black america needs reparations again. that is a different conversation than we tend to have. >> you will raise eyebrows by saying that reparations already
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happened. an economist from duke university estimates there were up to 100 massacres like tulsa taking place between the end of the civil war to the 1940s. reparations overall. does it become impossible to decide who gets reparations and who does not? i think people think reparations will be like people get checks. instead of paying it back, it could be paying it forward. >> there is no reason why you can't take every one of those massacres and if it is something recent enough to identify exactly who underwent what, i see no reason why there could not be reparations for the massacres given to people that survived those things. if that happened to cover 78% of
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black america today that would be great but it wouldn't. there is still a conversation to be had about black america in general and i think that we need to realize that words are not always applied to what they could apply to. affirmative action was reparations. people did not use that word. that is precisely what it was. the community reinvestment act that forced banks to invest in inner cities. nobody makes a movie about that. that was reparation. sometimes it worked. sometimes it didn't. w wellfare was reformed. it was reparations. >> also, with that john, when you are talking about it there was the urban removal act destroying a lot of black communities. there is also within affirmative action, there was a glass ceiling you may be hired but may not be promoted and there may
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not be equal pay. that does not make up for the people that farmed lands for free. even affirmative action do you think was reparations for all of that? >> i very much do. because of affirmative action, it did not help to turn black america upside down, why do we fight red tooth claw and nail whenever anybody threatens it. it created black success of all kinds that would not have happened without it. i think it was a great thing but i think it was a reparation. nobody said it would be perfect. if it was perfect we would have to ask why. >> you said a reparation. you didn't say reparations.
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>> if i understand you, it was part of a program of a national mood in the 60s and 70s such that it isn't true that white america or the powers that be never acknowledged the horrored that we went through . it is really, really complicated. i think that we have a lot to think about. >> we have not had you on in a long time and we miss you. thank you. >> now this is compounding more. dan abrhams will weigh in on the big lie and new conspiracy and
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tonight, michael flynn, former president trump's first national security advisor claiming he did not call for a coup against the u.s. government like the one in myanmar but he was caught at a political event backing the idea of an overthrow. followers of the qanon theory were at the event. dan i haven't had a chance to read it yet but i can't wait. one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever spread around the country. we have to talk about conspiracy theories driving everything right now. you heard michael flynn talking about the coup in the u.s. why are people latching on to the lies?
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>> and then lying about the lie, right, after the fact. saying that i didn't actually say that. what you see, speaking of lawyers, lawyerly arguments to get your way out of a statement that you never should have made. the statement was initially made at a q&a session where he is asked about that. yeah. yeah. yeah. that is something we should consider here, et cetera. then when the backlash comes and people say wait a second. you are suggesting that even potentially a military coup here in the united states might be okay. no. no. no. it's true he never said we should have a military coup. what he said is something like that certainly would be okay and
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encouraged here. that is the problem. >> it is the most incredibly crazy thing that i have ever heard or seen. i want you to listen to the former president, barak obama, said. listen to this. >> i could go to the fish fry or the vfh hall and just talk to people. if i went into the places now or if i went to any democrat that is campaigning now, almost all news is from either fox news, sinclair news stations, talk radio or some facebook page. trying to penetrate that is really difficult. >> you know he is talking about the propaganda on the networks that call themselves news networks. there has been a slant for years but the lies are getting worse. do you think that anything can break the cycle?
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>> i think that there is a certain percentage of the population that will believe anything that donald trump says. when richard nixon resigned, he is still at 25% support. there is going to be percentages of people that are simply going to say what he says goes. i believe him. not anything else that i hear. but i don't think people should just give up saying the republican party x or y. you know, there are a lot of independents, right-leaning independents. there are more moderate republicans who probably supported and voted for donald trump and who are also incredibly troubled by what donald trump continues to say. horrified by the comments of michael flynn. and i think that with regard to those people, i think that there is still a very important conversation to be had in the middle. >> listen. i think you are right about
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that. i hear it frequently from callers on your radio show, that there are people in the middle. but the problem is not the people in leadership. they are afraid of being primaried and standing up against the former guy. i want to talk about your new book, talking about conspiracies. i want to talk about the conspiracies when it comes to the kennedy assassination. they have been floating around for decades. the conspiracy with the jack ruby, kennedys and all of that. that has been around forever. this is not new territory. it seems to have become more divided. talk to me about it. >> more than half the american public have consistently believed that there was a conspiracy to kill john kennedy. and one of the things that we found amazing in researching our books, kennedy avenger, a lot of the conspiracy theories emerged from the trial of jack ruby.
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oswald does not have a trial. he is dead. jack ruby becomes the kennedy assassination trial. there were a couple of moments where the defense attorneys say we would like to stipulate lee harvey oswald acted alone. why are the prosecutors not stipulating to it. fbi agent was asked did you find any evidence of lee harvey oswald and jack ruby knowing each other. it was objected to. again, there was a specter of all of the possibilities. and it is interesting to look back on the ruby trial and the kennedy assassination to examine the way that conspiracies can develop. some of the conspiracies surrounding the kennedy assassination are based in fact. lee harvey oswald lived in
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russia and wanted to go back to cuba and then absurd things. lyndon johnson was the one behind itment jack ruby and oswald were related or body doubles. you say to yourself how does this stuff happen. how do we allow ourselves, how do the many people in the public allow themselves to be taken in by the conspiracies. and i think that is one of the reasons why it is valuable to look back at the trial for example of jack ruby. to look back at the kennedy assassination. we are seeing an enormous amount of conspiracy theories now. >> yeah. it is fascinating when you learn the history of conspiracy theories. but i think this kennedy one was the biggest. we will see how it holds up in history against the big lie. but i certainly can't wait to read the book. dan, so grateful you are here and best of luck with the book.
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"kennedy's avenger" and it is out today and make sure that you pick it up. dan abrhams writes great books and does great tv and radio as well. >> don, thanks for having me. >> next, he says that he does not know what the ufos are, but he would sure like to. former president barak obama talking aliens. stay with us. there's a lot of talk about getting back to the way things were. but what does that mean? does it mean getting back out here to feed the world? is it about getting back to this commute? this community? or this ingenuity? for folks who run with us, there is no going back. because they've never stopped working towards a better tomorrow. together, we run forward.
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former president barack obama says he wants to know more about the rash of ufo sightings by the military that are coming to light. but when asked by "the new york times" ezra klein about how his politics would change if he discovered we aren't alone in the universe, obama is saying it wouldn't. >> i already said the other day that you'd like to know what the ufo objects are too. >> absolutely. >> it came out they were alien and we got undeniable proof of that, how would that change your politics or your theory about where humanity should be going? >> it's interesting. it wouldn't change my politics at all, right? because my entire politics is premised on the fact that we are these tiny organisms on this little speck floating in the middle of space. but the point is i guess that my politics has always been premised on the notion that the differences we have on this
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good evening and we begin with what president biden is calling a threat to american democracy. yesterday the president said democracy is in peril and today in tulsa, oklahoma marking the 100th anniversary of the greenwood race massacre, he spoke out against the state by state effort which republicans across the country to enact restrictive voting laws. >> this sacred right is under assault with incredible intensity like i have never seen, even though i got started as a public defender and civil rights lawyer with an intensity and aggressiveness we have not seen in a long, long time. it is simply un-american. it is not, however, sadly unprecedented. >> the new laws they are pushing are based on the election lies still being told by the former president and we got word that the man in mar-a-lago has word he will soon return to office. cnn political analyst and "new york times" washington correspondent maggie haberman
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