president biden slamming the efforts by republican-led states to restrict voting rights, calling it an assault on our democracy. >> this sacred right is under assault with incredible intensity like i've never seen even though i got started as a public defender and a civil rights lawyer. with an intensity and an aggressiveness that we've not seen in a long, long time. it's simply un-american. it's not, however, sadly, unprecedented. >> the president announcing vice president kamala harris will lead the biden administration's push to protect voting rights across the country and acknowledging that it will be an uphill battle. democrats in the texas legislature walking out and derailing a republican bill designed to suppress voting. the gop governor is fighting

mad. what is the democrats' next move? i'm going to ask the chairman of the state party who will join me in a few minutes. first i want to bring in john harwood and denver riggleman. john harwood, president biden calling the attack on voting rights an unprecedented assault on our democracy. he's putting vice president kamala harris in charge of the white house efforts. you say this is an example of shifting power dynamic in the country. talk to me about that. >> don, think about what happened today. a democratic president elected on the strength of non-white votes in key states, went to oklahoma to recognize a racial massacre of african-americans in a way no previous president has done, to propose steps to redress, to narrow the racia l

massive. that is why his lies are now being used to propel these efforts to restrict voting that joe biden said he's going to fight today but it's not at all clear he can defeat them. >> maggie haberman -- his former attorney sidney powell is ridiculously arguing that it can happen even though it is garbage. so, i mean, what is the point here? just to rev up the base in the short term and then when that comes, then he'll go on to something else? >> yeah, it's insane.

let's be honest. it borders on something we've never seen before, that they've been able to capture this conspiracy zeitgeist and ride this wave. it's a clear and present danger to the united states that we have insanity that's being weaponized and monetized.. what john was talking about, if you look at the polling and the fund-raising, and i know, don, you're like, geez, denver is going back to data again. but when you look at the polling and the fund-raising, this is where they're at. i had somebody pull up a poll, look, denver, 35% of people are always supporting trump. look, man, what you have to look at is 78% of republicans do. they don't care about independents right now. they don't care about democratic polling. they care about the 2022 primaries and how they're going to carry that through. so this crazy that you see is this current era of conspiracy theories that really started a

comet ping pong in december and has carried all the way up through january 6th. you're seeing this continuation don. i think people need to frickin' pay attention to what's going on in some of these communities. >> there's also the former national security adviser, michael flynn, openly saying a coup should happen here in the u.s. listen to this, and then we'll talk. >> i want to know why what happened in myanmar can't happen here. >> no reason. i mean it should happen here. no reason. that's right. >> all right. we should have known, you know, minnamar, but listen. i mean come on. now he is backtracking. this is lunacy. it's coming from a retired three-star general. how incredibly dangerous is that? >> as a former air force officer, it's shameful that

somebody that wore the officer's uniform or any uniform for that matter would say something so fat patently ridiculous and unhinged. i know we've been pretty blunt on this show, but at some point we have to identify that these individuals are dangerous, right? and what they're saying can be really used for individuals to sort of radicalize themselves to do violence. we've already seen that, and i think there is a lot of people right now that's worried about this going kinetic, where you have individuals who are going to act on some of this ridiculousness. you see the backpedaling, but mike flynn is insane. i think at some point we're going to have to be directed in that either he needs help or he's doing it just for the grift and the money. when you look at the power and money portion of this, i think that's what it's about. i can't imagine somebody who believe this. but from what he's saying, i think he's crossed the rubicon into crazy town. i really do. >> there's that danger of what you said, but there's also the danger that americans are buying

into that kind of thinking that goes just beyond the president's going to be in office again and to that sort of bending their own reality, thinking things that are true are not. i'm telling you, it trickles down into society, beyond, you know, january 6th, just into the way people react and react in their normal lives. some of it comes out in violence. so i think there's something to be studied there. i got to go. i'm going to talk to somebody else. this is one of the most far-reaching voter suppression bills in the country. tell us about the danger to your state, but this has nationwide repercussions, ramifications. >> well, it wasn't me that led the house democrats. it was the house democrats that decided that they had enough of the sham legislative process that was going on sunday night. they had been given a 70-page

bill after the conference committee reported it out without having any democratic input into the bill. none of the members of the conference committee that were democrats were allowed to participate in discussions and the putting together of this frankenstein bill is what we call it. then they laid it on the house. before there could be any debate, they restricted debate by a vote of the republicans in the house, and they were going to shove it down the throats of people in texas. our people tried to debate to try to argue that this is a racist bill, discriminatory against mexican-americans, asian-americans, people of color in general, and they wouldn't have any part of it. so rather than participate in this abusive legislative process, they walked out. they walked out spontaneously, and they walked to an african-american church close by there in austin, texas, and let the people know what was going on in the texas legislature. this is the most horrendous

voter suppression bill in the united states today in a state where we already have -- where it is already the most difficult place in the country to vote today. and the republican party did it because of not just the big lie that mr. trump has been propagating all over the country, but also because they understand that they cannot hold on to power as long as people of color are beginning to vote. we had a 30% increase in voter turnout this last election. we went from almost a ten percentage point margin in the presidential election to five percentage points. this is happening every election cycle it gets to a point where the republicans are losing control. and the only way that they feel that they can hold on to control is not by good policies and good law that help the families in the state of texas, but by preventing working people, people of color from going out to vote, and it's shameful. >> i've got to ask you this

because greg abbott, the governor there, is saying he's going to call a special election, and then he's threatening to put some of these issues back on the agenda for a special election. do you have any concern there? can you talk to me about that? >> well, it's a special session that he wants to call because he didn't get what he wanted. he's really angry because what he was going to do after this bill that he was sure was going to get passed was that he was going to have a spike the ball tour in the state of texas with his right-wing constituents. in texas, it's all about the republican primary, and the republican primary is controlled by trumpists in the state. and they were advocating this big lie that there was fraud out there that allowed trump to lose this election and allowed biden to win this election. and so he was feeding these people the red meat that they needed because he wants to get re-elected as governor, and he has a further to the right opponent that he's afraid of. so when he didn't get to have

his tour because this bill didn't get passed, he angrily called for a special session. he decided to freeze the pay of all the legislators and ultimately says he was going to freeze any -- eliminate all funding for the texas legislature. this is s absurd, but this is h bizarre this man is who is the governor of the state of texas. we know we're going to come up against the same obstacles that we came up this last time around, but texas legislators are ready to fight. they're not going to give up. they're not going to give in to this type of abuse of legislative authority and racist policies by the republicans of this state, particularly the governor of the state of texas, and they're going to fight. if governor abbott wants to go start arresting elderly legislators who are in their 70s today because they're refusing to participate in this illegal process that is called legislation by republicans, let him do that. let him do that with the full cameras on these state troopers who are going to be arresting

people who have been legislating and working in the legislature for 30, 40 years. >> mm-hmm. >> let him try to prove to the people in texas that it's more important to do this and pass this racist bill, for example, that preventing souls to the polls from occurring on sundays because they now are outlawing any early voting on sunday mornings. >> and it also allows people -- republicans to be able to overturn the election if they don't like the outcome. representative hinojosa, thank you for your time. i appreciate you joining. thank you so much. >> thank you. "washington post" columnist max boot here now. max, thank you. let's talk about this. it's not just texas. this is an assault on voting rights. it's happening all across the country. you say that it's all part of a republican plot to steal the 2024 election. explain the plot, please. >> well, you have to put the data points together, don. what you're seeing right now is this multi-prong republican offensive on american democracy

and the ostensible justification for it is this nonexistent voter fraud. but of course the real justification is they don't want to lose another election like they lost in 2020. right now whether it's in texas or florida or georgia or other states, their disenfranchising lots of democratic voters, particularly minority voters. you're also seeing advocates of the big lie running for secretary of state posts in states like georgia and arizona so that you will put these trump conspiracy mongers in charge of election security. the ultimate payoffs are going to be first in 2022 and then in 2024. in 2022, you know, the party that is out of control of the white house usually picks up seats in a midterm election. and in the next midterm election, republicans are using partisan gerrymandering. they're using voter suppression, and so they're drawing closer to

a republican congressional majority, and that brings up what i call the nightmare scenario, don, for 2024, which is tha t you could have republican majorities in both houses of congress, and imagine what happens if a democrat wins a narrow victory like biden won in 2020. already in 2020, you saw a majority of congressional republicans refuse to certify electoral votes. so imagine if in 2024, they have the power to actually refuse to certify those votes. if they're in the majority, they don't certify those votes. they could throw the election to the house of representatives and then elect a republican. >> you said this was -- you said, if that happens, it would spell the end of american democracy. is that a real possibility, you believe? >> i mean it sounds crazy. it sounds alarmist. i hope it is alarmist, but it's hard to say it is alarmist at

this point because you just had a mob attack the capitol and republicans don't care about that. they're not even going to investigate it.. and you had a majority of congressional republicans voting to overturn the election results. i really feel, don -- and i fear that we've crossed a rubicon here -- that things that were once unthinkable are not so unthinkable anymore. to me, it seems like this is what republicans are building up to, is having the ability in the next presidential election to simply toss out the votes and just ignore the will of the people. >> yeah. >> that's -- that's a real danger that we have to confront. >> max, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i've got to get to some breaking news. this is breaking election news tonight. cnn projects that democratic state representative melanie stanz bury will win the special election to represent new mexico's first congressional district. that was the seat that was left vacant when the interior secretary deputy haaland joined the biden administration. stans bury did defeat mark

moores. her victory will give the narrow democratic majority in the house a bit more breathing room. so there you go. that's our breaking election news. should there be reparations for survivors and descendants of the tulsa race massacre, and what does president biden think? >> he also supports a study, as we've said before, into reparations, but believes that first and foremost, the task in front of us is not to -- is to root out systemic racism where it exists right now.

questions at the white house about reparations for black americans on the anniversary of the tulsa massacre. 100 years ago a white mob obliterated the prosperous area known as black wall street in tulsa, oklahoma, killing as many as 300 people and destroying blocks of homes and businesses.

president joe biden acknowledging the tragedy today and announcing steps to close the economic divide for black americans, but not mentioning reparations. here with me now, democratic congresswoman from texas sheila jackson lee. thanks for joining. >> thank you for having me. >> reparations are -- you know it's a polarizing topic. i don't have to tell you. you say maybe one way to heal the country is to pay reparations to the descendants of the tulsa massacre. why is that, congresswoman? >> well, first of all, maybe the word "repair" and "amend" would be a more palatable word for so many -- it's a healing term. i do believe that the president is a racial equity president, and i applaud him for that. the proclamation he issued today to high light the first president in the history of the united states ever to do that, to come to tulsa, to highlight

this heinous act of violence, indicated that he wished that all americans would stand against racist terror and take a moment to reflect upon how we can all end systemic racism. in my mind, in the minds of so many, i have been four days in tulsa walking the streets, touching the soil, seeing what was taken away and seeing what was replaced. none of it pertains to the black community. and so i think at the beginning, reparations there and lawyers are in the midst of lawsuits, of claims that were never responded to 100 years ago. the voices of mother fletcher and sergeant ellis, her brother, and mother randall are living examples of the obliteration of that town and how their lives were pained with no resources because of what happened. so i think this is a clear example of reparations and it

should then catapult hr-40, a commission to study slavery and develop reparation proposals in the united states. >> let me talk about that because you are sponsoring this bill that establishes a committee to study reparations proposals. meanwhile, infrastructure, voting rights, even the january 6th commission facing dead ends or uphill battles on the capitol now. is this something congress has a chance to achieve given that we can't find agreement on all the other crises facing our country right now? >> you raised very crucial issues and the congressional b black caucus is the conscience of this congress. we have begun to make an agenda for the month of june. we call this the racial month, beginning with may 31st and june 1st of course, with tulsa. this has the month of juneteenth where people were ultimately freed after two years past emancipation. george floyd justice in policing act needs to be passed. we're going to go back to

washington really focused on the fact that we lated too long, and we believe that these bills can be healing bills, at least for the senate to actually respond with the discussions that we think are near complete on george floyd. the voting right is going to be a tough call that the administration, i believe, may be ready to make that tough call to pass those bills. we need to then intervene and have a federal bill, and then h.r. 40, i continue to maintain, don, that it is a repairing, healing bill, and members of the congressional black caucus who have discussed this believe it to be the case as well. so we're going to move forward. we're going to press forward to bring some healing, then move into the president's agenda on the big jobs plan. we're going to have to go big because our time is short and the american people are waiting. and there are more people who

don't look like me, multicolored communities, who are supporting the jobs plan, and i believe want a less racial community and nation and are prepared to do what the president said in his proclamation. repair the nation. that is what h.r. 40 is all about. >> we're waiting to see what happens. a lot of folks have been waiting a long time. thank you, congresswoman. i appreciate it. >> be happy to do it. thank you for having me. my next guest argues reparations have already happened. how so? stay right here.

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so the white house won't say if president biden believes there should be reparations for survivors and descendants of the tulsa race massacre 100 years later. let's discuss now. john mcwhorter is here, professor of linguistics at columbia university and the author of "nine nasty words." it's been a minute, john. good to have you back on. >> it's going to be here,

thanks. >> listen, a lot of it depends on what the word "reparations" means. what does the word "reparations" mean at this point to most people because it's gotten caught up in a larger division in our politics as just about anything to do with race does. >> well, the idea is to repair, but i think more specifically because words tend to become more specific in their actual meaning, we think about making up for slavery and jim crow and more recently we also think about redlining as something that black americans need repair for. and i think that's a great thing in itself. >> yeah. so let's get to specifically what the president was asked about today. should the descendants of the tulsa massacre receive reparations? >> i actually think yeah. it was 100 years ago. there's still people living who underwent the trauma or who were just one generation from those

who underwent the trauma, and i think that there should be some sort of acknowledgement that what happened was wrong, and it should be in the form of perhaps payment or perhaps funding of programs. it makes perfect sense to me. i'm a little wary of the idea that we should think of that as a microcosm for what should happen for black america because -- not because i'm against reparations but because reparations for black america already happened starting in the late '60s. some of it worked. some of it didn't. but our conversation now would have to be about whether black america overall needs reparations again, and that's a different conversation than we tend to have. >> yeah, and you're going to raise some eyebrows, as you know, by saying reparations already happened. i'm sure you've felt it already. an economist from duke university estimates to someone that there were upwards of 100 massacres like tulsa that took place between the end of the civil war and the 1940s, right? so you're talking about reparations overall.

this is part of it. does it become impossible to decide who gets reparations and who does not? and in that question, i think people think that reparations have to be in the form of payments, that people are going to get checks and whatever. it doesn't have to be. instead of paying it back, it can be paying it forward. do you understand what i'm saying? >> oh, of course. you know, there would be no reason why you couldn't take every one of those massacres, r rosewood, wilmington, and if it's recent enough that you can -- i see no reason why there couldn't be reparations for those massacres given to people who survived those things. and you know what, don, if that happened to cover 78% of black america today, that would be great. but the thing is, it wouldn't. there's still a conversation we'd have to have about black america in general. and as far as the eyebrows raised, i think we just need to realize that words aren't always applied to what they could apply

to. affirmative action was reparations. people didn't use that word, but that's precisely what it was. the community reinvestment act of 1977 that forced banks to invest in inner cities, nobody makes a movie about that, but that was reparations. sometimes it worked. sometimes it didn't. welfare was reformed to be easier to get in the late '60s, another untold story. it was reparations. >> but, john, also with that, john, you had -- when you talk -- there was also the urban removal act, which destroyed a lot of black communities. there was also within affirmative action, there was a glass ceiling. you may be hired, but you may not be promoted. there may not be equal pay. that certainly doesn't make up for the people who -- who farmed lands for free while the slave master got all the wealth and you got nothing and no education and no right to vote. even affirmative action, you

think it was reparations for all of that? >> i very much do because affirmative action didn't help to turn america upside down, then why do we fight red, tooth, claw and nail whenever anybody threatens it. it created a huge black middle class, and it created black success of all kinds that wouldn't have happened without it. i think affirmative action was a great thing, but i do think it was a reparation. nobody could have said that it was going to be perfect. if it was going to be perfect, we'd have to ask exactly why. >> you said a reparation. you didn't say reparations. you think it's a reparation or full reparation. your word, guy, so i want to make sure people understand your words. >> i think that if it was -- if i understand you properly, it was part of a program of reparations which was part of a national mood in the '60s and '70s such that it isn't true that white america or the powers that be never acknowledged the horrors that we went through.

it's just not true. something happened in the '60s and '70s that we're beginning to forget. maybe we can take some lessons from those things and do it again better although i'm not sure if any of us know exactly what we could do to undo what we're now calling systemic racism. these inequities, what do you do? it's really, really complicated. so i just think that we have a lot to think about. >> yeah. listen, you're always pro provo provocative. we'll have you back. thank you. important conversation. i want to continue it. john mcwhorter. >> thank you, don. so it is the lie that won't quit, and now it is compounding even more, okay? dan abrams is going to weigh in on the big lie and the new conspiracies popping up seemingly every day. plus former president barack obama has an interesting take on aliens in my "take this." >> i would hope that the knowledge that there were aliens out there would solidify people's sense that what we have

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tonight michael flynn, former president trump's first national security adviser, claiming he did not call for a coup against the u.s. government like the one in myanmar. but he was caught on video at a

political event this weekend appearing to back the idea of an overthrow. followers of the qanon conspiracy theory were at the event. let's talk about this and more. i want to bring in dan abrams now. d d dan, your books are always very good. we're going to talk about your book, which is one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever to spread around this country. we've got to talk about the conspiracies that are driving pretty much everything right now. so you heard trump's former national security adviser michael flynn talking about the coup in the u.s., whatever. why do you think people are latching onto these lies about the election and even beyond? >> well, and then lying about the lie, right? i mean after the fact, then saying, well, no, i didn't actually say that. and you know what you see is actually, speaking of lawyers, lawyerly arguments, right, to try to get your way out of a

statement that you never should have made. i mean the statement was initially made by michael flynn at a sort of q&a session and he's asked the question about that, and he says, yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, that's something that we should consider here, et cetera. and then when, you know, when the backlash comes and people say, wait a sec, you're suggesting that even potentially a military coup here in the united states might be okay? oh, no, no, no. i never said -- i never said -- it's true. he never said, we should have a military coup. what he said was that something like certainly, you know, would be okay and encouraged here. >> we should consider that here. it's just the most credibly crazy thing that i've ever heard or seen. i want you to listen, though. this is what the former president, another former

president barack obama said on the ezra klein show. listen to this. >> i could go to the fish fry or the vfw hall or all these other venues and just talk to people. if i went into those same places now or if any democrat who is campaigning goes in those places now, almost all news is from either fox news, sinclair news stations, talk radio or some facebook page, and trying to penetrate that is really difficult. >> you know he's talking about the propaganda on these networks that call themselves news networks. there's been a slant for years now but the lies are really getting worse, dan. do you think anything can break that cycle? >> you know, look, i think that there's going to be a certain percentage of the population that is simply going to believe anything that donald trump says. remember, when richard nixon resigned, he still had 25% support. you know, there's going to be

percentages of people who are simply going to say what he says goes. i believe him and not anything else that i hear. but i don't think that people should just give up and say, oh, you know, the republican party "x" or the republican party "y." there are a lot of independents, ri right-leaning independents. there are a lot of more moderate republicans who probably supported and voted for donald trump, who are also incredibly troubled by what donald trump continues to say or horrified by the comments of michael flynn. and i think that with regard to those people, i think that there is still a very important conversation to be had in the middle. >> listen, i think you're right about that, and i hear it, you know, quite frankly from callers on your show, your raid "cuomo prime time" -- radio show. but the problem is not the people in leadership because they're afraid of being

primaried. but i don't want to waste time here. i want to talk about your book if we can. your new book, "kennedy's avenger." i want to talk about these conspiracies when it comes to the kennedy assassination. this conspiracy with jack ruby, the kennedys and all that, i mean that's been around forever. i mean this is not new territory, but it seems to have become more divided. talk to me about it. >> well, so more than half the american public since the time that kennedy was killed have consistently believed that there was a conspiracy to kill john kennedy. and one of the things that we found amazing in researching our book, "kennedy's avenger," was that a lot of the conspiracy theories emerged from the trial of jack ruby, right? oswald doesn't have a trial. he's dead. so jack ruby becomes the kennedy assassination trial. and there were a couple of moments where, for example, the defense attorneys say, we'd like to stipulate that lee harvey

oswald acted alone. the prosecutors say, we're not stipulating to anything. aha, why are the prosecutors not stipulating to it? an fbi agent was asked at one point, did you find any evidence of lee harvey oswald and jack ruby having worked together or known each other? before he could answer the question, it was objected to. and so, again, there was this specter of all these possibilities. and it really is interesting to look back on the ruby trial and the kennedy assassination to examine the way conspiracies can develop. some of the conspiracies surrounding the kennedy assassination, you know, are based in certain fact. you know, lee harvey oswald lived in russia. he wanted to go back to cuba. you know, those are real things to consider. and then there are the absurd things, right? lyndon johnson was actually the one behind this, that jack ruby and oswald were somehow related in some way. this he were body doubles and this and that.

up say to yourself, how does this stuff happen? how do we allow ourselves, how does many people in the public allow themselves to be taken in by these conspiracies? and i think that that's one of the reasons why it's valuable to look back at the trial, for example, of jack ruby, to look back at the kennedy assassination because we are certainly seeing an enormous amount of conspiracy theories now. >> yeah. listen, it's fascinating when you learn the history of conspiracy theories, but i think this kennedy one was the biggest. we'll see how it holds up in history against the big lie. >> yep. >> but i certainly can't wait to read the book. dan, i'm so grateful that you're here. best of luck with the book. the book again is "kennedy's avenger," and it is out today. make sure you pick it up. dan abrams writes great book and he does great tv and great radio as well. thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> don, thanks for having me. next, he says he doesn't

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take this. the former president barack obama says he wants to know more about the rash of ufo sightings by the military that are coming to light.

but when asked by "the new york times'" ezra klein about how his politics would change if he discovered we are not alone in the universe, obama saying that it wouldn't. >> i heard you say the other day that you'd like to know what those ufo objects are too. >> absolutely. >> if it came out that they were alien, if we got undeniable proof of that, how would that change your politics or your theory about where humanity should be going? >> it's interesting. it wouldn't change my politics at all, right? because my entire politics is premised on the fact that we are these tiny organisms on this little speck floating in the middle of space. but the point is, i guess, that my politics has always been premised on the notion that the differences we have on this planet are real. they're profound, and they cause enormous tragedy as well as joy. but we're just a bunch of humans

with doubts and confusion. we do the best we can. and the best thing we can do is treat each other better because we're all we got. >> nice to hear at a time when civility feels like it only exists in a galaxy far, far away. thanks for watching. before we go, i just want to say happy pride month. our coverage continues.

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