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>> reporter: that reminder c comes -- covid case among children is now the lowest point since we have seen since october. >> alexander in new york. thank you very much. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. new concerns tonight, trump and his allies are fuelling more violence, that the former president will be reinstated in the next several months. the dangerous conspiracy theories are spreading. what is congressman mo brooks? attorney swawell is trying to serve him. where is mo brooks and what is
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he worried about? >> let's go "outfront." >> good evening, i am erin burnett. trump's lies fuelling new fear of violence. qa qanon's new favorite messaging could inspire the attack of the wake of the january 6th insurrection. >> that app is called telegram. it is a hotbed of dangers conspiracy theories and lies about the election, including of the ridiculous idea. it is hard to come up with the right adjective to describe this but ridiculous works. that trump is going to be president again. according to maggie haberman's report, trump told his people that he's going to be president
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again. >> it should be that he could simply be reinstated that a new inauguration date is set. and biden is told to move out of the white house and biden should move out of the white house and president trump moving right in. >>. >> election of 2020 is going bye-bye. donald trump is back in office in august. >> what did i say? absurd fantasy and dangerously deranged. trump appears to not only buying the message but spreading it. tonight trump is laser focused on what he sees as a path to his
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reinstatement which is the sham and election audit going on in arizona, another audit. this is according to haberman he's focusing on arizona and more states are trying to follow arizona's path. trump is cheering it all on with the audit in sigh sense. >> thousands and thousands of votes so we are going to watch it closely. we are going to watch michigan and wisconsin and you are watching new hampshire. they found a lot of votes up in n new ha new hampshire because this is a rigged election. >> pennsylvania's attorney
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general is going to join me in a minute. these pennsylvania gop conspiracy theories would rather to travel the country than telling the truth to citizens. our julian sullivan is "outfront" in new york. you have been talking to many trump supporters and what's happening on instagram. tell me about it and why law enforcement is so concerned? >> reporter: yes, erin, this idea that trump will be reinstated in office over the summer is a fantasy but fears that could all lead to real world violence, have a watch. >> i am saying before 2022, something has to be done. >> former president trump may
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have been banned by facebook and twitter but his media are still giving false hopes of return. >> reporter: the former president pointing to a highly politicized in arizona as one way to overturn the election. >> it is going to be an interesting time in our country, you understand what it means. it will be -- how do you govern when you lost? >> reporter: on the social media sites, comments like these are sparking excitements among his supporters. trump knows what happens and biden administration will be removed. we the people will take action. he just told us things are about to get very ugh ugly all over america. be prepared.
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>> telegram is both an encrypted chat app and something of a social network. it has been around for years. more recently maga and qanon have gravitated towards in as a platform and moving towards it as they move away from facebook and other fplatforms like twitter. >> telegram is built around trying to resist monitoring and censorships. >> reporter: there are groups of tens of thousands of members dedicated to the conspiracy theory. three congressional sources tell cnn -- >> a lot of the success of the
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country is really going to have to do with immediacy. by the time we get to 2022, they'll have everything done the way they put things in congress. mcconnell can't stop anybody. if something does not happen fast, this is before '22. >> reporter: the reaction on telegram. he does not have to wait until 2024, people. he's coming back this year, everything is going to be reversed. it is a great day when we see everything of the plans coming together. he just told us it won't belong. last week when trump's adviser, michael flynn, appeared to suggest there should be a coup in the u.s. flynn later denied he suggested a coup. >> it is concerning for people who track isis to watch the growth and excitement around telegram in the far and extreme
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right because a lot of us have the question, oh no, are we back in the situation where this is going to be a difficult problem to address? >> former republican congress denver riggleman fears the conversations happening online now could lead to future violence. >> you are saying this that's happening years and years, this is the same type of methodology and all the things you see based on the fact that this is a war between good and evil. if there is a war between good and evil and there is no mid dl ground, you are willing to do things people are not and that's when you see radicalized violence. >> reporter: telegram did not respond to cnn for comments. there are concerns not just about telegram but the general conversations online and offline around this whole idea of
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overturning the 2020 election and of course it is important to mention that you know a lot of trump supporters and qanon supp supporters gravitated to this new platform. this is a whole new challenge. how do you handle speech like this on platforms that are not a big silicon valley giant. as you can see those comments there on telegram of those followers hanging on every single word the former president said. >> i want to go to maggie h haberman from "the new york times." i mentioned your reporting of what trump told the people. when i saw your tweet i thought oh my goodness, how invested is trump right now, maggie?
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>> this is the question that people have always asked of him. the question is , is this real? i don't know if he generally believes it. sometimes he seems to be aware that there is no mechanism for what he's talking about. there is no mechanism in the constitution for a president to be reinstated as he's describing. people have tried to explain to him even if the election results did get overturn, he's not going to be president. he's listening to other allies, who have been offering him this timeline just based on these controversial audits in arizona and trump has been trying to get them up in other states. the reason this may hurt is it is a little different than a former president, all polls show
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if he wanted to run as of today, he would be the nominee again. he's indicated to a lot of people that he's going to run again and it is all taken place here and it is important to know. as he's facing a threat of a possible indictment from the manhattan district attorney. all of that, you know, being put together, he's saying things that his supporters will take seriously from him in a way that others will not. he's trying to get other people to put in writing that the election is stolen. so awesome of this is a potentially dangerous combination. >> a lot of people do genuinely believe it. it is like hear no evils or see no evils. people are seeing and hearing it. to that point, maggie and as we all know, twitter used to be the president's way of communicating. but, now he's not on twitter and not on facebook.
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29 days ago he started his own blog which he shut down today and an adviser of trump told "the washington post" that trump did not like it because it was being mocked and had so little readers. how much of a blow to his ego is this? the issue of being able to communicate? >> it speaks to a larger issue and i have some what reporting that she told people that he was aggregated by the media coverage of what was a blog because fox news declared it as a platform that he was on. it is not a platform, it is a website that many people on. he did not have the voice he had as he did on twitter or facebook. twitter is not going to change
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and he's aware that he's can't do what he did in the white house. he used it to his advantage. there are these whole other media ecosystem where things are happening and i keep going back to last year of what's the harm of letting him blow off some steam? we saw it happen over the course o of ten weeks. i understand a lot of folks on the left would like him to go away. there is a whole media environment where he has not been and had his platform taken away and there is a whole other conversation happening though. >> how important from your reporting, arizona is now crucial to this, this path of reinstatement that he's putting out there and some of his
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supporters believe. how important is arizona? >> to be clear erin, this audit has been widely d-- officials wo said there is nothing valid here. if it shows something in his favor he'll use it to derrail hs sp supporters. there are questions being raised about plaintiffs and folks in fulton county and whether it could have an impact of the election. i think those are what he's focusing on. the things he's saying are not things that could, there is no path for being reinstated as president. >> it is amazing that you keep
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on saying that but it is crucial for people to understand. maggie, thank you for sharing your reporting. > >> the audi t is a sham and republicans have said this needs to stop. i want to go to pennsylvania's attorney josh supero. you fought challenges with trump to overturn the election results in pennsylvania which were in favor of biden. you hear maggie reporting that trump is telling people that he's going to be reinstated by august. what do you make of that, attorney general? >> it has been over 200 days
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since the election, the same thing is still true. joe biden won the election and donald trump lost. it was true here in pennsylvania and also true that we had a safe, secure and free and fair election. one that was run by republicans and democratic county officials and neighbors all across this commonwealth in this country. that's the simple truth. the rest of this is noise. it is dangerous noise. it is doing damage to our democracy but it is simply noise. >> there are some republicans in your state who's speaking the truth. that's important to know. republican al schmidt, i talk to him several times. there is no evidence that the election is fraudulent. he's standing up. there are republicans in your state who are fighting trump's battle for him.
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what do you say to those lawmakers, they actually traveled across the country to try to get guidance on how to do something similar in pennsylvania. >> air quotes are absolutely necessarily. this is a total sham. it would not overturn anything and certainly would not reinstate donald trump as maggie haberman was reporting earlier. what they are doing is inflicting real damage to our democracy by continuing to pedal this big lie. they're really undermining our constitution. they're undermining our system. we saw what happened in those weeks after the election. where the lies being told over
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and over again and you can draw direct line not just the rhetoric that was occurring on t and ultimately led directly to the insurrection on january 6th. it is real damage to our democracy and threats of violence and as a result, folks continue to suck up to donald trump and do his bidding for him and peddling this big lie in stoef stead of telling the truth to the people. >> attorney shapiro, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. after being unable to track down congressman mo brooks. they were trying to track him down to serve him with a lawsuit. it is no secret that the bushs loathe trump. one member is doing everything
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brooks is trying to avoid being served a lawsuit from eric s swawell. they have not been able to track down brooks to serve the lawsuit for two months. they had to hire a private investigator to find him. phillip, i appreciate your time. the judge is taking this seriously and not giving you another 60 days. do you think you will be able to serve brooks in that time frame? >> thanks for having me, erin. i certainly hope so. we'll continue the efforts that we have been putting in thus far. at some point we'll have to be able to drag him down.
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the real issue is why do we have to go through all this? >> it is not routine here, your court filing says you had to hire a private investigator and this person spent many hours in multiple jurisdictions attempting to serve brooks. when we look back at that time frame, we saw brooks spent a lot of time in alabama and he here speaking on the house floor. what lengths have you gone to serve brooks? why is it so hard to give him these papers? hello, here you go, you are served. >> well, the problem here is that mo brooks' door is locked.
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there is no access to the place where he was much of the day. tracking somebody down, there is no magic number of times or magic formula, it takes persistent and luck sometimes. it takes a lot of effort. it takes hours and resources to time things right and the point is that, this is a part of the process that should not be involving a fraction, the amount of effort that we put in. donald trump, his son, rudy giuliani all waived service in court. >> that's significant. i think it is important for people to understand that. i know you are understanding as the court told you they set a deadline for donald trump, rudy
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giuliani and donald trump jr. accepted this without dispute in terms of the papers to be ready for arguments for the end of july. what are you hoping you will be able to learn if you get to that point and you can say here is my list of what i want. >> i mean it is a long list and we'll get to dario friscovery. we want to know what donald trump was saying and thinking and who was was in his ears and part of the decision making. we know he spoke to a number of congressman and senators that day and the violence and the deaths was happening at the capitol. we need to know that. given the republicans' refusal to engage with the january 6th
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commission, it seems all the more important that we have the ability to ask people questions and look at documents and figure out what was happening that day. >> phillip, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, erin. next, george p. bush is about to make a major political announcement at this hour. he's the only bush cozying up to trump despite trump's attack on his father. >> jeff is an embarrassment to himself and his family. >> and apparently to his son. breaking news, benjamin netanyahu, the country's longest serviing leader is now on the brink of out. don't be silly ... nothing's tougher on pain than advil. nothing. pain says you can't, advil says you can.
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gr quote,"great to speak with president trump, big things are coming soon". trump endorsed him. matthew dowd, the bush family, george p. bush, the only member of the bush family currently in any kind of office and he's embracing trump and others in the bush family had been much open of disdain for him. what does this tell you that george p. bush is willing to do
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this? >> it tells me a micro story of a macro situation going on. the republican party is the party of donald trump and the fact that george p. bush, i met in the 2000s when he was helping in campaign, deciding that political office or attaining that or bending the knee to donald trump, i have to say it, it would be like the starks bending the knees to the lanisters, he is basically sucking up to donald trump. >> perfect analogy from "game of thrones." george h.w. bush said of trump and i quote. "i don't like him, i don't know
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much about him but i know he's a blow hard and i am not excited about him being a leader." here is other members of the bush's family said about trump during the primary. >> bigotry seems embolden and our politics seemed vulnerable to conspiracy theories and out right fabrication. >> his message is them and us. they're bad, we are good. >> he sort of makes faces and says insulting things and terrible things about women. terrible things about military, i am sick of it. >> so what's the significance of this? it is not just what he's doing. it is he's going against everything his family stood for. just be honest, the bedrock on the moral of what he was raised. >> well, this is just another
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tale and i think it is a really sad tale. think of all the people that criticized donald trump and then instead of standing firm on their principles and think of what marco rubio and lindsey graham said about donald trump and next thing you know, they're cozying up with donald trump. my principles are more important and for george p., you would think some sort of family values or some family loyalty would be more important. i don't think the bush's name in texas among republicans is not valuable anymore as jeb bush found out running for president. >> right. >> george p. bush is jeb's son, right? this is his son and these are
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the things that donald trump said about george p. bush's father during the election. listen to a few. >> jeb is an embarrassment to himself and his family. >> jeb bush is a total stiff. >> low-energy, jeb bush. so low. you fall asleep looking at him. >> "politico" says, one trump confidante said -- it is an incredible moment to imagine. i would not support anyone who said those things about my father. i doubt most people watching would. that's what we are seeing. >> and i think you are seeing it over and over again. george p. is a more sort of
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integral example of it. ted cruz is another example, he called donald trump a pres pathological liar and next thing you know he's donald trump's best friend. george p. bush had better understand, he has to overcome his last name in the state. ken paxton if he runs, he's under investigation nearly his entire time in office. there are two candidates that are some what flawed. it is not an easy race but it does tell a tale of the republican party instead of candidates with principles leaving the party saying i am not part of that anymore, they cozy up to donald trump no matter what they have to sacrifice including family bonds and values. >> yeah, matthew, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks erin. breaking news, the longest
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breaking news, exit benjamin netanyahu. israel's longest serving leader benjamin netanyahu is poised to exit. under the agreement, conservative politicians tali bennett will serve of his first two years of a four-year term. "outfront" now is fareed zakaria, how significant is it that after all of what has happened with corruption allegations and him fighting to hold power, dithat he finally appears to be out? >> the end of the day, the israeli public got tired of him.
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he's gone but the coalition that's replacing him is very strong. tali bennett is more right-wing than benjamin netanyahu is. >> it is a little bit like the donald trump's 2020 election. what it reflected in america was donald trump fatigue. you know republicans did quite well in state and local races. >> everything that b.b. stood for is a rejection of him. >> you raised two important
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points, one is -- even before trump's time in the white house, it was evident that we know and how these two talked about each other. they rose and fell together. take a listen to this. >> i want to thank president trump for his tremendous help. >> you saw bb benjamin netanyahu started acting like trump on twitter. did it help or hurt benjamin netanyahu to tie himself so close to trump? >> i think it hurt him with regard to israel's interests because he made israel a partisan issue when it always
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bipartisan. you can see benjamin netanyahu is claiming getting rid of him is the fraud of a country. benjamin netanyahu is claiming there is some kind of massive fraud that's perpetrated and in a sad way, this is donald trump's legacy to the world, the united states has become the best exponent of these kinds of bogus claims that when you lose an election, you claim fraud. >> that's awful. fareed, now to the point you made of naftali bennett.
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>> would you ever accept that? >> it is no secret of my opinion that forming a palestinian state just five minutes right where impi am sitting right now would create a terrible situation, israel is 100 year's long conflicts between us and the arabs. >> it has been a consistent point of view as you hear him say and as you pointed out. this coalition that he's in got a small arab-islam action that's completely on the other side of that point of view. what does naftali bennett really mean for the peace process? >> it is a very big question. it is difficult to figure out how they're going to balance it. you have naftali bennett and
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what could be reasonably described as that. you ghave other members that ar moderate and the israel arab party. how are they going to manage all this? right now they are all nunited. they all like benjamin netanyahu. >> thank you very much for your perspective, i am grateful for you coming on tonight. >> thanks. >> next, the w.h.o. tonight says scientists will dig deeper into the covid lab leaked theory. i am going to talk to the secretary of state who investigated the origins of the virus. what did he find? president trump going further than he has when it comes to crediting trump for the covid-19 vaccine. >> the first vaccine was authorized under a republican
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leaked from a lab in wuhan. >> the hypothesis that it could have accidently leaked from the lab is on the table and go back and look very carefully as studies to be planned. >> the secretary of state investigated this lab leak theory as part of your responsibility. so david, as you looked into the lab in wuhan, obviously, a may job lab studying coronaviruses in wuhan. what evidence did you see that led you to believe this lab leak theory was viable? >> it's good to be with you, erin. what we saw when we looked at this issue in the state department was not only the gen gen general circumstantial facts of the case that covid broke out in wuhan in a city where one of the
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main laboratories in the world for the study of bat coronaviruses is found. it is not a natural environment where you would expect a bat coronavirus to be found. it's an urban environment about 1,000 miles away from where the bats that are known to contain the closest known viruses to the covid-19 virus are found, and so there were fundamental questions that the whole world saw beginning in the spring of 2020 about why wuhan that scertainly attracted a i wea lot of attentt facts that attracted attention inside the state department in the final months of the last administration were not just circumstantial facts but three pieces of information in particular the u.s. government came to know. there was sick researchers inside the wuhan understand constitute of virology in autumn of 2019 before the public
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outbreak in wuhan. we did not know whether their sicknesses or covid-19 or the flu perhaps but we know that they were consistent with covid and believed it needed to be looked into humuch more closely. the second fact, they were conducting research months and years leading up to the outbreak including the closest known natural virus to the covid-19 virus, and they had not been transparent over the years what they had been doing and we wanted to call for greater transparency, and the third thing was that there were years of secret relationships between the wuhan laboratory and china's military and china has a long record of non-disclosure and non-transparency with their biological weapons programs. this is a major concern and that's why in january in the final days of the administration, we put out a fact sheet laying out these facts and calling for a more credible and theory investigation than had previously been seen. >> okay. so i think it's really important
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you lay those three points out. let me follow up on the third one. there is a very significant distinction between a virus being study leaking from a lab because people get sick inadvertently and it being a bio weapon, whether that means it was engineered or was being studied for purpose of bio weapon to use, in the point number three you say the lab and chinese military, did you see any implications of what i just said or you're just noting that relat relationship? >> mostly just noting it. it's an extremely important fact because it reveals a lot about the nature of science and technology in china and the nature of international science and technology cooperation with china. it reveals for example, that there isn't a government in the world or university or company that can be assured if they're doing science and technology exchange in china that they're not perhaps unwittingly working with the chinese military and that's very important. but yes, to be clear, we stated
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that as one thing that is worthy of further study but fundamentally, there was science going on that was very possibly good faith science seeking to find, you know, vaccines or treatments for future coronaviruses. this was dangerous science of the type that takes viruses from the natural world and works with them in the laboratory to make them more infectious or deadly to humans and it's that sort of accident that we were concerned might have happened here and hoped there could be greater inquiry to find out. of the kind that president biden has called for. >> all right. well, i appreciate your time, david. i think this is all really crucial and i should point out the former fda commissioner said the last six known outbreaks of sars were accidental leaks out of labs and china and happened in the u.s., as well. this is a very realistic and crucial thing to get to the bottom of. appreciate your time so much. thanks so much. >> thank you. next, president biden gives trump credit for the vaccines
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president biden tonight going further than he's gone before in giving former president trump credit. in a speech about covid vaccinations, biden tonight said this. >> getting the vaccine is not a partisan act. the science was done under democratic and republican administrations. matter of fact, the first vaccines were authorized under a republican president widely developed by a democratic president, deployed by a
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democrat tpresident. >> biden never uttered trump's name but said the vaccine development approval came under trump as the adadministration s goal of getting 70% of the population vaccinated by july 4th. thanks for joining us. time for "ac 360." good evening. we begin with a striking claim about one of the most controversial provisions in the bill texas state republicans are pushing to restrict voting. it would have limited polling hours on sundays to after 1:00 p.m. drastically affecting the souls to the polls voter turnouts in black churches around the state. right now the bill is in limbo after state house democrats ran the clock out for current legislative session. now, some of the backers are trying to say that the whole sunday voting hours portion of the bill was nothing more than a ty typo. >> call it whatever you want to, i talked t
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