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don't show you the dead when we're at war, the way i believe we should. i believe that you can take it, and i believe that you are too suspicious because you know too much has been hidden from you. and that's why i tell you about the dangers of this moment. because they're real. and i know that the reality is going to be a function of what you believe, and what you want to be true. so, thank you for watching. "don lemon tonight," with its big star, d lemon, right now. >> okay. so, let's see. who's darker? what happened? did you, a, they put the wrong makeup in your room -- powder. oh, you have powder on. >> i have no powder on. >> b, you fell asleep in the tanning bed. >> i have never been in a tanning bed, in my life. >> or, c, you went fishing today? >> i did not fish today. as usual, it is, d, you are wrong. and i can't make a joke about it, because i'll get cancelled. so what i will tell you is -- >> you won't get cancelled, i'm telling you that.
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>> sure. what i will tell you is this. i love being outside. i spend most of my day outside. >> yeah, i know. >> i have been doing more and more of my work outside. i've been doing stuff around the house. >> finally, you're doing something. you -- dragging your -- >> i'm trying. i have growing anxiety about where we are, and how things are. and when you said that you're going to have a summer, like you were 12. i'm always happy for the people i love to be happy, and want to enjoy their lives. but i was really thinking about, like, also, where we are. and ya have to make the most of moments, because there's so little guaranteed, right now. and i've never felt like this, before, except after 9/11. >> okay. let me tell you this. for -- over the past-five years, i've gone through so much sh -- you can fill in the rest -- that i really don't give a you-know-what, anymore. after the death of my sister,
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none -- none -- all of the haters, the people who are coming after me. the people who make up stories about you. the people who are attacking. it doesn't -- it's just -- it just rolls off. because no day is promised. no moment is promised. how many more -- we don't even know -- chris, i sat here. and i -- so, i had this epiphany at my sister died. and then, the night after you told me that you had covid. and i realized, my friend could be gone who is my friend, my confidante, and my co-worker, right? the best of every world. could be gone. i was like what -- what else matters? doesn't matter what people think about you. say about you. the state of the world. i spoke, today, which is going to be on my -- on my podcast. not the one that we do together. but the "silence is not ap option." ha harry belafonte. >> you know, he was a good friend of my father. >> 94 years old. >> and his son was like a big brother to me most of my life. he's still got it, by the way. >> he still got it.
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you know what he said to me? you are standing on the shoulders of people like me. and i am standing on shoulders of people before. don't worry about any of that stuff. you are doing the right thing. continue to do what you do. >> a huge endorsement. >> be outspoken. you're -- you're brilliant at what you do. and i was just like, i was in tears. >> that's a huge endorsement. >> i can't wait for it to air. and guess what? we share the same birthday. so, life is short, my friend. we should have more times that you and i had -- like you and i had on saturday night. where our families are together, dancing in the living room. enjoying each other. celebrating bella's entry into college. leaving high school. that's what's important. all of this other stuff doesn't matter. we're going to roll with it. we were here before the former guy. we're going to be after the former guy. we were here before covid. we're going to be here after covid. so let's just embrace what is positive, what is happy. everyone should have a summer, like the roaring '20s. we, all, deserve it and so do you.
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that's it. >> listen. from your lips to god's ears. i hope you're right, d. i hope you're right. >> even though you look like george hamilton. >> i wish. i wish. i'd be -- i'd be in much better position, personally and professionally, if i looked like him. but, look. i don't fake the funk. and i don't say things that i don't believe. i have a basis, in reality. and i got some serious misgivings about where we're at right now. and i see it, everywhere, in everyone around me. but i tell you what, you're always right. you always got to make most of the moment, and love the people who love you. and be with them, especially right now. and i am lucky i got you in my life. that's why i say, every damn night, i love you, d blemon, because i do. >> i love you, too. can we -- don't want to sing the theme to "good times" again, do you? >> nope. >> i'm not a cat. i don't have nine lives, brother. >> yes, you do. we got to keep getting in trouble. good trouble.
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john lewis said, we get into good trouble. >> we're in the wrong business to be in good trouble. i will talk to you, brother. make your witness. >> i will right now. and i am going to get the name of the show right tonight. >> always a plus. >> this is d"don lemon tonight." and i have got a question for you. i know, chris and i were just having fun. but that was good advice i think that we were giving each other. this is a very serious question. okay? if -- if the white house, if president biden, if democrats, bel believe that democracy is really at stake. wouldn't you want to do whatever it took to save it? wouldn't that be your very-top priority? the assault on what may be our most precious right, as americans. and that's the right to vote. that assault is spreading all across the country. joe biden, under tremendous pressure to get the voltting rights act across the finish
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line. republicans and the party of the big lie are resisting at every single turn. and the -- do you really want to be the party or the person who got in the way of voting rights for everyone? what so many people fought and died for. do you want to be that person? is that your legacy? if you do, go on. go on, republicans. and i'm talking to two people, specifically. don't get me wrong. do you really want to be those two people? when the history book opens, and they say, wow. voting rights changed, and it was restricted for african-americans, who fought and died and many of them were lynched! lynched! for the right to vote. but you stood in the way of it. is that what you want? if you are okay with that, fine. then, your grandkids and your great grandkids reading that about you, then, go on, do it. and more and more democrats are waking up to the very real
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possibility that the only way they're going to get anything done, facing a republican minority that is digging in its heels, is to blow up the filibuster. president biden's frustration on display when he took a swipe at two unnamed senators. presumably, he meant joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, who claimed vote more with republicans. >> i hear all the folks on tv saying why doesn't biden get this done? well, because biden only has a majority of effectively four votes in the house. and a tie in the senate. with two members of the senate, who vote more with my republican friends. but we're not giving up. >> so, listen. facts, first, here, right? that's not entirely accurate. but the president's message seems pretty clear. i see you. get onboard. that's what he is saying. now, the white house press secretary, jen psaki, defending those comments today. >> just to follow up on your
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comments on what president biden said about senator manchin and senator sinema, are you saying that that was not a criticism of the two of them? >> it was not, no. he considers them, both, friends. he considers them, both, good-working partners. and he, also, believes that, in democracy, we don't have to see eye to eye on every detail of every single issue, in order to work together. and he certainly thinks that reflects their relationship. >> senator sinema, despite all evidence of the contrary in the senate, says the filibuster promotes bipartisanship. >> the idea of the filibuster was created by those who came before us, united states senate, to create cand encourage senatos to work together. and while there are some who don't believe bipartisanship is possible, i think i am a daily example that bipartisanship is possible. >> before us, the key phrase that she said. that was created before us. that's what it was created. it's not what it's been used
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for. she's wrong. she's wrong. bipartisanship? but president biden has an uphill battle to get any -- with a gop that now worships at the altar of the former guy. they are all in for a former president, who lost the white house. he lost the house. and he lost the senate. and we're learning, tonight, that he is more obsessed, than ever, with the 2020 election. one former aide telling cnn, trump is so focused on the big lie, that the election was stolen, that he is listening to, quote, the bottom of the bottom of the crazies in the barrel. the bottom of the bottom of the crazies in the barrel. let me say it three times because they say that sticks when you say things three times. the bottom of the bottom of the crazies in the barrel. that's who he is listening to. but like i said, the gop is saul in. and if that means playing hear no evil, see no evil, when he
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airs his delusions that he will be back in the white house by august. august, as maggie haberman reports. they're in. >> he is saying things that his supporters will take seriously from him, in a way that others will not. and he has been trying to get other people to put, in writing, that the election really was stolen. >> if it means carrying on a nationwide assault on the right to vote, making it that much harder for people of color to get to the polls. people who, no coincidence, tend to support democrats. they're in. if it means shoving, what happened on january 6th into a giant, memory hole and killing the commission that was supposed to investigate. they're in. they're all about the big lie, and the biggest liar. and that's how you get someone, like michael flynn.
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michael flynn saying a coup, his words, should happen here. >> i want to know why, what happened in myanmar can't happen here. no reason. i mean, it should happen here. no reason. >> again, we -- i said it last night. min-a-mar. that should tell you the level of knowledge that they have about what that, all, means. it's myanmar. and tonight, two democratic members of congress say, if you are shocked by what michael flynn said, you haven't seen -- you haven't been paying attention. representative christy hoolihan and they say, flynn's comments are just the latest in a deliberate string of attacks against democracy and our rule of law. furthering dangerous-conspiracy theories. none of this is an accident. it's part of a strategy, to erode the democratic safeguards that undermine our democracy.
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the timeline and coordination speak for themselves. and with all of this dangerous, un-democratic talk of coups, let's remember, we all saw -- we all saw an attempted coup. we saw, with our own eyes. we heard it, with our own ears. there it is, in front of your face, if you don't believe me. look at your screen. it's like nothing that's ever happened in this country before. you see it. you hear it. we can never forget american heroes, like officer michael fanone. you're looking at his body-worn camera video, right now. as he fought off that attempted coup. was dragged down the capitol steps by the mob, tased with his own weapon.
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that's him screaming. that's him screaming. mike fanone was back at the scene of the crime just last week. trying, in vein, to convince just a handful of republican lawmakers to step up, do the right thing. to stand up for the truth of what happened to officers, like him, and what happened to america. i am honored to be joined by d.c. metro -- metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, who defended the capitol on january 6th. mike, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me again, don. good to see you. >> good to see you, as well. this is the first time i have been able to get your reaction in the show, after you went to the capitol to talk to republican senators to ask them for an investigation into what we saw on january 6th. and now, we hear new calls for a coup from trump supporters. isn't that, exactly, what was attempted on january 6th?
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a coup? >> absolutely. i mean, it's insane, to hear that type of rhetoric being used, you know, not-six months out from the -- from the insurrection at the capitol. or attempted insurrection at the capitol. >> listen. um, let me ask you this. i know that this was so emotional for you. you were supposed to come on last week, if i can honest with our viewers. and you just didn't have the bandwidth to do it because of how emotional it was. talk to us about that. >> yeah. i mean, it was exhausting. spending the day on capitol hill, really, reliving, like, the most traumatic day of my entire life. to people, who most of which i thought were really devoid of compassion or empathy. >> why did you say that? why do you think they're devoid of compassion and empathy?
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>> i mean, again, like, i don't -- i have no idea how you can watch what happened to me, hear my story. talk to brian sicknick's mother, who was also there. and vote against a commission to investigate the circumstances, which resulted in mrs. sicknick's son's death. a united states capitol police officer. and then, resulted in, you know, my injuries, as well as, you know, over-140 other law-enforcement officers' injuries. not to mention, the fact that, you know, it happened at the united states capitol. but, yeah. >> did you really think that you -- because you were there. you were there with harry dunn. you were there with mrs. sicknick. did you really think that you
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might be able to, for lack of a better term, talk some sense into their heads and really make a difference? get them to change their minds? >> no i mean, again, i really just -- i went there to support mrs. sicknick. as a police officer. and, you know, as an american, i went there to advocate for -- for this commission, which i believe is necessary. really, to get to the root causes of january 6th. um, i don't -- like, i -- i guess, i have, like, more of a cynical outlook on whether or not, you know, i was going to be able to change hearts and minds. but i did want them to go in there, and cast their votes with the images of, you know, my body-worn camera footage on their minds. when they did so. >> so, this is what we've come to, now. mike. we have reporting from "new york times." maggie haberman. that the former president is claiming that he is going to be
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reinstated, by august. while his former-national security adviser, michael flynn, saying that coup should happen here. he is -- he's walking those comments back, somewhat. but as someone who almost got killed fighting this mob, are you worried that this could incite another one or something similar? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, again, this is the exact type of rhetoric which ultimately resulted in, you know, the attempted insurrection at the u.s. capitol on january 6th. >> you met with congresswoman liz cheney. someone attacked for speaking the truth about the insurrection. do you feel comfortable sharing any part of your conversation? can you, please, talk to us about it? >> yeah. i mean, again, like i -- we've talked before. i -- i'm not here to -- i don't endorse politicians. but i do endorse people. and, you know, liz cheney is someone who, early on, has been
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very gracious towards me and my family. and i respect that. and i, also, respect the fact that, you know, she continues to talk the truth about what happened on january 6th. despite, you know, losing her job. >> yeah. well, you were on capitol hill talking to senators. were you -- you -- you were told, i'm sure, that mitch mcconnell was calling his colleagues saying to vote against the commission as a personal favor to him. how'd that make you feel? >> i mean, i don't -- that -- i was absolutely sickened. you know, here i am, escorting the mother of a dead policeman, while she and myself advocate for, you know, the formation of a commission to investigate the
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circumstances, which luresultedn her son's death. and you have, you know, a leader an capitol hill, who's making phone calls asking for personal favors, and doling out political capital. to -- to push for, you know, a no vote on -- on that commission. it's absolutely disgraceful. >> mike, i want you to stay with me because i got a lot more to talk to you about. like your conversations with the house speaker nancy pelosi, and the options that she, still, has on the table to get to the truth about what happened on january 6th. short break. michael fanone. we'll be right back. i'm not hungry! you're having one more bite! no! one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win.
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so i am back now, with d.c. metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, who defended the capitol on january 6th. mike, thanks for sticking with us here. we were just, you know, talking in the break about whether we have the country we, once, thought we had. and you're worried about that. explain that to me. >> yeah. no, i mean, i think that -- so, i've had a lot of conversations, post-january 6th. and really, where i have come to is that, you know, we, ultimately, americans, are responsible for our country going forward.
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in a lot of cases, we can't look to our elected leaders, anymore. we need to make a decision. a conscious decision, as to, you know, what type of country do we want to live in? and do we want to send people to washington, who espouse, you know, hateful, vitriol rhetoric and, you know, fear mongering? or do we want people who lead with or are guided by principles like honor, integrity, compassion, and empathy? i'd prefer the latter, and i know that, you know, in the future, i'll use my vote to -- to send people, like that, to washington. but it really starts with us, as individuals. you know, one -- one of the things that i have tried to do, post-january 6th, is, you know, every interaction that i have with -- with anyone that i encounter, is to, you know, to be compassionate. and -- and to have empathy. i had a really interesting
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conversation with a reporter, peter herman from "the washington post," the other day. and he was talking to me about, you know, do i have concerns about returning to policing, having experienced what i did? and does it make me an angrier person? does it make me, you know, like, hateful against the people that -- that injured me at the capitol? and i actually feel like it's the exact opposite. i've become much more compassionate person. and i, you know, try to really just live my life that way. and -- and i hope that, you know, me continuing to, you know, use the platform that's been afforded to me. helps other people, you know, to kind of -- i don't know -- reimagine their relationship with, you know, with americans. with their fellow countrymen. i -- this just isn't the country that i want to turn over to my
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children. >> yeah. yeah. well, let me -- you know, you mention the conversation you had. let's talk about what we talk about. listen, i don't know if you want to share this or not. but these are the conversations that we have offline, off television. when you watch these efforts to restrict the vote. i mentioned -- i talked about this, in the opening of the show. about the weight of what people who, you know, are standing in the way of this. what they should be feeling about people who fought and died for that right, in this country. especially, people of color. when you look at these efforts to restrict the vote, based on the big lie. what do you see, mike? >> yeah. so, i mean, like we talked off -- offline. it's a little outside of my wheelhouse. but i mean, hell, i'm an american, so, you know, i'll chime in. i think it took us a long time to -- to get to the place in the country where, you know, we respected the ideal that, you know, one man, one vote. and the idea that you would want to restrict anybody's ability
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to, you know, to live that or -- or to -- to cast that vote is the most unamerican thing imaginable. >> yeah. is that your phone ringing? >> it may be. >> you can stop it, if you want. if you can get to it. so, let's -- let's talk about senator ron johnson. senator ron johnson voted against the january-6th commission. but this is what he -- this is what he's saying now. watch this. >> i'm doing my own, personal investigation. i -- i'd like to completely reconstruct what happened on january 6th, so we have an accurate-historical record. >> mike, i heard you let him have it, when you were there on the hill. can you share what you said? >> i don't know if i would characterize it as, you know, letting him have it. >> you gave him a piece of your mind, how about that? >> i mean, i told him what happened that day. you know, again, like many of the senators that i went there
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to advocate before for this commission. i think, most already had their minds made up. and so, you know, there was like a lot of talk about like what type of question or, you know, what -- what answers was i looking for? and i -- i really just saw it as a way to deflect from, you know, ultimately, the -- you know, the goal of a bipartisan commission. which -- which would look into, like, the root causes of the january-6th insurrection. again, like most of the senators there. they were interested in, you know, force mobilization. like, how were officers deployed that day? or they wanted to address, you know, physical-security concerns at the capitol. that's all, like, fine and dandy. you know, there's investigations that are going on. i'm sure that will address those factors. just like there's a criminal
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investigation, you know, to investigate, you know, the individuals who, you know, committed acts of violence or destruction. but what i am really interested in, what i was advocating for, was, you know, a broad look into what led us, as a country, to get to a point where, you know, individuals felt that they were -- you know, their behavior was sanctioned to attack the capitol? >> yeah. you have been having conversations with house speaker nancy pelosi. she is promising to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. are you confident, that the truth will come out? >> i mean, i have -- again, like, i have had some conversations with -- with speaker pelosi. i'm very confident in her abilities.
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i mean, she's, you know -- she's pretty damn amazing. again, like i said, i don't, you know, endorse politicians. but i mean, she's a hell of a person. and, yeah, no, i believe that -- that she's going to -- going to get to the bottom of this. >> mike, before you go, i just want to -- look. i know that it's important for you to tell your story. and it's been important, for a lot of the officers to tell their story. i know that some are -- are hesitant to do it. but you feel, i know, that this has been cathartic for you. it's actually been therapeutic for you. and it -- it changed, somewhat, how you felt about what happened because it's giving you a different outlook and some autonomy. so what do you -- what do you say about that? you think it's important for the officers and the people to speak
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out about, you know, what happened at the capitol? consequences be damned? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, i -- i think that, first of all, for the entire country. for those that live outside the beltway, you know, aren't familiar about what happened that day. unfortunately, you know, we send -- you know, we send leaders to washington, in the hopes that, you know, they would bring back the truth about their interactions on -- on capitol hill. and unfortunately, that's not the case, in a lot of instances. you have, you know, elected leaders who are going back to their constituents and lying about the insurrection. and so, i think it's important for americans to be able to hear from the rank-and-file officers, like myself, that went there, fought. in many cases, were injured, significantly. so that, you know, they can understand that what's being told to them is crap.
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>> mike, thank you. did you get everything you wanted to say out? i -- i honor and respect what you did, and what the other officers did. did you say everything you want? >> yes, sir. i appreciate that. >> you're good? >> i am. >> until the next time, my friend. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. i will see you soon. so, he's off twitter. he's off facebook. and he is shutting down his blog after less than a month. but trump's delusions about the election are, still, spreading among his loyal followers. how seriously should you take it? we're going to discuss that. and what a great guy. that is as real as you can get. ♪ sometimes you wanna go ♪ ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪
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with local workers as diverse as san francisco. we built the city's recycling system from the ground up, helping to make san francisco the greenest big city in america but we couldn't do it without you. thank you, san francisco. gracias, san francisco. -thank you. -[ speaks native language ] let's keep making a differene together. there are new details tonight about former-president trump's delusion that he will be reinstated as president, this summer. and before we talk more about it, let's be clear. there is no pathway, in the constitution, or elsewhere, for anything like that to happen. joining me now, cnn senior political analyst, john avlon, and cnn political commentator, anna navarro. i mean, it's -- i can read your -- both of your faces, before i even get to you.
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it is the height of absurdity. but this is -- we are tasked with discussing this. good evening, to both of you. john, you first. maggie haberman from "the new york times" detailing her reporting to erin burnett about trump's delusion that he is going to be reinstated as president. watch this. >> the question is always, is this real? or is this just something he is saying? and the answer, i don't know whether he genuinely believes it. sometimes, when people talk to him, they think he does. sometimes, he seems to be a little more aware there actually is no mechanism for what he is talking about. there is no mechanism in the constitution for a president to be, quote/unquote, reinstated, as he is describing. people have tried explaining to him, even if the election results did, somehow, get overturned, you would not end up becoming president. but he is -- again -- but he is listening to mike lindell and other allies, the ceo of my pillow, who have been offering, you know, this timeline. just based on these controversial audits. >> how seriously, should we take
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him, john? >> we shouldn't take him seriously, at all. he's delusional. i mean, this is a guy, who is insisting on -- on re-creating the ecmperor's new clothes, evey day. in the service of his own towering, yet fragile, ego, he is willing to try to undermine our democracy. what we should take seriously, though, is the people trying to coddle his crazy, for political gain. republicans, who are willing to go along with this insanity. because they're afraid to confront the base, because they're afraid to confront him. because, what they're saying is, they're willing to -- they hate democrats, more than they love our democracy. they're willing to indulge these pathological fantasies, and pretend they're ideas. they're not. and -- and that's what we've got to take seriously, as hell. >> anna, dana bash is reporting that a former adviser to trump says that he is listening to the bottom of the bottom of the crazies in the barrel. i mean, trump disciples, like michael flynn, sydney powell,
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are out there indulging coups and reinstatement. you know, maybe it shouldn't be surprising, considering what's happening. you know, they back the big lie and all this stuff about dominion and the voting systems and all of that. if that's who he is listening to, isn't that a recipe for disaster? isn't that how he lost, the first time? >> frankly, i care less about who donald trump is listening to, than i care about the people who are listening to donald trump. and look. we -- we didn't take it very seriously. a lot of us thought this is so absurd, back when they were talking about january 6th. we thought this can't really happen. but it is irresponsible, for anybody, who witnessed january 6th. and the entire world did, despite republican efforts to try to whitewash it. the entire world saw insurrectionists, terrorists, attacking democracy. after we've seen that, it is impossible. it is the height of irresponsibility not to take these things seriously. because you don't know what the
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people, who listen to him. albeit, it's a smaller number, by the day. i mean, his blog had less viewers than my dog's instagram does. but, that doesn't mean -- she does have a very good instagram -- that does not mean, you know, they're -- they're not capable of inflicting injury and death and pain and wreaking havoc. and causing destruction. we've seen this movie, already. so, we need to take it seriously. despite my, you know, it -- it requires alcohol. >> well, let me ask you this, anna. i want to get this in. but george p. bush, the son of jeb bush. you know the bushes, that's why i am asking this. the son of jeb bush and he is nephew of the former-president george w. bush launched his run for texas attorney general tonight. he says that he would love to have trump's support but when asked by cnn about the attacks trump made against his family, he said this.
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>> politics is a full-contact sport. you know, we're at a stage in our state where, you know, we can't let a mean tweet get in the way of doing the right thing. >> a mean -- a mean -- so, it's okay to look the other way, on mean tweets against your own family, when you need trump's support to win. like, this is beyond mean tweets. i mean, that is the understatement of the year. but go on. >> god, don. i didn't know you were going to ask me about this. i hate talking about this. it's painful, for me. you know, i love jeb bush. he is a mentor for me. i have known george p. since he was a kid. i think this is embarrassing. i think, frankly, it's a terrible reflection on george p. bush. and i keep thinking about george herbert walker bush, and how much family meant to him and how much loyalty meant to him. and how much civility and bipartisanship meant to him. and how much respect of the institution of the presidency, meant to him. and so, it's -- it's not a good look. i'm really glad i don't live in texas.
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not only because having ted cruz as a senator would be painful. but because having to vote in this election would be painful. >> yeah, thank you, both. that's all we have time for, for this particular subject. thank you, very much. i appreciate it. prosecutors are asking for 30 years. the defense wants probation. laura coates is going to weigh in on just how long derek chauvin could spend in prison. that's next. it would be cool to ride a horse on the moon.
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tonight we're learning minnesota prosecutors want a 30-year sentence for the ex-officer who murdered george floyd. that is according to a sentencing memo filed today. joining me to discuss, cnn's senior legal analyst laura coates. laura, good evening. thank you for joining us with this breaking news. so break this down for us, if you will. 30 years. is that a lot in a case like this if it didn't have this much degree of significance? >> well, remember, the maximum is actually 40 years for a crime
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like this. what they have in minnesota are sentencing guidelines, as they do in every state, essentially. it gives you a range of possible penalties in the form of the years in prison. they give this range because they want the judges to have some level of uniformity in the application of their actual sentences. they want them to have discretion as well. they give a range between 10 and 15 years for a nonviolent offender or somebody who has never committed a crime before, never had a conviction. or somebody who just simply has not had a criminal history. that's recommendations under the guidelines. but the prosecution is saying here, don, no, 15 years would not be enough, we want double that because of aggravating factors. remember here the facts of this case. it was done in a group of people, including other officers. it was done in front of children. it was done with particular cruelty, the judge found, because he was indifferent to the pleas for help and knowing george floyd, knowing he was likely to die. finally of course, probably the
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most important one, he abused his position of authority as a police officer. so because of those aggravating factors that the judge found exist, he can go beyond that 15 years and upwards to the 30 to the maximum of 40. this is where you are right now. of course, the defense team, don, is saying, on the other hand, those aggravating factors, even if you found them to be true, there are mitigating factors here. he's a former police officer, a 19-year veteran. they claim of course he has had heart damage and was likely to die younger, as many ex-law enforcement officials are. also, he did not believe, he says in his report, he was even committing a crime. he acted on the good faith reliance of his experience that he was doing nothing wrong. >> laura coates, thank you for your perspective. we appreciate you coming in on this breaking news. 166 students in graduating class at one college graduating with $375,000 of debt to the school. but take this.
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and you don't owe wilberforce anything. [ cheering ] congratulations! >> now that is worth shouting over. like a baptist church in the south on a sunday morning. amen. congratulations to them. wilberforce university cancelling student debt for all of its 2020 and 2021 students. total debt cleared will be more than $375,000. the relief to be covered by various scholarships does not cover federal or bank loans. up next, a trillion-dollar deal. biden meeting with the gop but they don't play ball. does bipartisanship strike out?
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