tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 4, 2021 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
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thank you very much. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i am wolf blitzer in "the situation room," you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer, you can tweet the show @cnnsitroom. have a nice weekend, erin burnett "outfront" starts now. the manhattan district attorney subpoenaing trump's long time adviser. it could decide indicting president trump. that's according to "the new york times." president biden rejecting new pressure. breaking news, new urgency inside the white house to address the spike in cyber
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attacks. the fbi director comparing the threats to 9/11. good evening, i am erin burnett. prose prosecutors tightening the screws on trump. the former president's senior finance executives to testify before a grand jury. as the trump's organization controller for 38 years, he knows the ins and outs. jeff jeffery mcconney wrote "it is my
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money." the da has been investigating trump and his company and the company's exec tutives on multie fronts including perks and taxes. reporter with the new york times who was on the team breaking the story and william, let me start with you with all the news you are breaking tonight. mcconney is one of the top members of trump, 35 years working for the organization. as you point out he's going to have immunity on this subject of his testimony to the grand jury. he can say everything he knows. he's not going to pay a price for it and others may. how much could he know? >> well, erin, that's hard to say. i'm siting here and if i knew what mcconney knew, i would be writing a different story. he's someone who has been at the right hand of allen weisselberg,
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the cfo of the company. the grand jury is focusing on mr. weisselberg. i am sure the questions being asked is focused on weisselberg. >> let me ask you that, i know the da's office has been digging into weisselberg. so weisselberg, they have been looking at his personal finances and benefits into his son, barry, who's another long time employee of the trump's orb. how much of all of this we are seeing is aimed on weisselberg? >> investigations are conducted
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in secrets. there are a significant amount of mr. weisselberg and the district attorney's office's effort to get him to cooperate standard law enforcement tactic. they put pressure on witnesses they think can serve as a guide for them through a complicated case. a lot of different financial issues they are focused on involving the company and they want to get him to play ball with him and push forward the agenda. >> stay with me, william. he served the special council of the impeachment trial of former president trump and harry littman, the attorney general. thank you to both of you joining
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the conversation as well. let me ask you on william's reporting. mcconney is called to be testify for the grand jury as far as we know. how significant is this development? >> erin, thank you for having me back. i think it is very significant. what we have seen in recent weeks is acceleration of the new york state criminal investigation. we know that investigation revolves around financial issues so to bring in the controller who knows where all the financ financial bodies and one of the closest associates of weisselberg, it shows rapid forward movement in this
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criminal investigation. >> possibly under new york's state law, mcconney has immune tinie testimonies he shares with the grand jury. what does it mean for him and the investigation? >> yes, norm is dead on. in other investigations you see witnesses jocking for immunity by virtue of being called. we know he has immunity. that's how new york works. another way is the grand jury that returns an indictment must itself hear the evidence. we have every reason to think that mcconney have testified to this grand jury which indicates just as norm says and accel acceleration. he's the assistant grave digger in terms of where the bodies are buried. he would have worked hand in hand with weisselberg. if weisselberg turns against trump but for now he's a laser
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aimed at weisselberg. take the allegation of weisselberg and take money for his kids and tuition was doctored up to make it look like a bonus. no way comptroller of the company, accounts receivables does not know that. >> this is crucial and we have people obviously, some of the weisselberg's family speaking out about this. william, how mcconney goes way back with trump and his family. you laid this out. more than three decades. all of these people have been together for a long time. this is back in 2011.
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my comptroller learned about a big lesson early in his career with the trump organization. during the conversation i look ed up and told jeff, you are fired. it is my money and his job is to protect it. the telling part of this is how trump view the organization is his money. now you have mcconney, this sort of relationship forced to choose between protecting trump or himself. >> when mcconney is testifying before a jury, he's under oath. he can't take the fifth because
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he's testifying under immunity in connection of the subject that he's testifying about. he can be charged with perjury and he's going to know a lot about the financial transactions tha relates to mr. weisselberg. so he's on the hot seat. >> i spoke to weisselberg's wife. she's been with him for 20 plus years. she told me that she had decades
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worth of financial documents. you see her here with them. she told she she has checks and other evidence and documents that prove both other weisselberg and donald trump paid for her kids to attend private schools at $54,000 a year so she got the receipts. they been looking through all of these. and then she told me this. is there any distinction between donald trump and the trump organization. >> donald trump and the trump organization is one of the same. there is no difference. >> weisselberg flips on trump. >> yes. >> no hesitation at all with your answer there.
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>> no hesitation whatsoever. is this what it is all about? if there is something to turn on trump, that's what happens. >> that's right, erin, there is overwhelming evidence. this is the classic play book. it is not general. they squeeze people around weisselberg including mcconney to get to weisselberg, his family members and weisselberg to get to trump. he's a tour guy through these finances of donald trump. it is a reminder to weisselberg, get your deal while you can. they are working their way of the food chain and remember donald trump is a notorious
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micro-manager. he signs the checks and he stays on top of everything. there is mounting criminal herald. is donald trump going to face justice? it looks more and more like he just might. >> jeffery mcconney, 35 years with trump with weisselberg during this entire time, a former employee told us that al weisselberg knows where all the financial bodies are buried. does he know? >> yes, he buried them with weisselberg. the immediate pressure is all on weisselberg. norm just made an excellent point. they could bring this case against the trump organization and weisselberg himself if weisselberg decides not to
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cooperate. they are not bluffing. it falls to weisselberg either to voluntarily go under the bus or to turn. but, anything for higher up the food chain as norm puts it has to go through weisselberg and mcconney. you did interview what his daughter-in-law and all these financial transactions need to be decoded. the two best coders, weisselberg and mcconnely and that is what's happening now. >> thank you all three so much. next, breaking news, president biden rejecting republicans' latest infrastructure proposal. he accuses republicans giving him the middle finger. what does it mean? is it going to pass or how big? social media giant banned
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latest counter infrastructure offer. biden offered to cut his offer of $1.7 trillion nearly in half to $1 trillion. he's nearly cut his proposal in half and along with that cut, he dropped a key democratic demand, saying he would not increase corporate tax rate to pay for all of it. big accomplishment there. kaitlan collins is out front the white house tonight. this is major push back tonight. negotiators brought to the table today, the second one that biden has had with senators this week. she put forward $50 billion. that would put the new proposal for infrastructure at about
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$300 billion. maybe just a little bit over that, compare that to the latest at the white house saying they want a trillion dollars in new spending. even though you see multiple changes going back and forth between the white house and republicans, they're not getting that close together when it comes to what they want to spend. that's only one of several disagreements that they have. so president biden is basically scoffing at this latest offer from republicans saying thanks but no thanks. saying that he appreciates the senator's goodwill here according to the read-out we got from jen psaki. he's going to meet and talk to other republicans about ways to move forward. he's going to speak to the senator on monday but does not seem to be a lot of promise of these negotiations going forward. we should note that jen psaki did tell reporters president
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biden is open for other proposals. president biden was going to mark up the bill next week. the white house is saying we are not giving a deadline. it is going runway left for some of these talks to go forward. those are the deadlines we are operating by. erin, it remains to be seen how this could be resolved. it does appear that president biden will be coming to a deal with those republicans on infrastructure. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. so one of the democrats taking a stand against biden's concession. the congressman threatening that he may vote no if the final bill
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includes biden dropping his bill in half. republicans have been giving biden the middle finger since he's in inaugurated. j j jamal boden, congressman from new york. i appreciate your time. do you think he should go back to those terms trying to push the price tag up? >> so biden ran on an infrastructure bill that was north of $2 trillion. progressives organize across the country to make sure biden won the election. to go from $2 trillion to
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$1.7 trillion should not have been done and try to cut it further definitely should not be done. we have 100-year-old infrastructure. we have children getting led poisoning from dripging out of led pipes. we have public housing that has not received any money from the federal government in over ten years. when you speak to climate organizers and activist and scholars, they say the number needs to be much higher. this is our new deal moment. we have just lost over 600,000 people due to covid in one year. we lost that many people in the civil war over four years. what was our response? it was the homested act. it was the industrial revolution. we need to do the same thing now, beginning with the working people and almost marginalized communities. >> i understand where you stand on this. the thing about biden is even
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though he says no to the latest proposal tonight after speaking with the lead republican negotiator, she's going to speak to senator caputo again on mondays. should he be doing that? i understand there is a lot of ways to look at this but i can look at it and say going from $1.7 trillion to $1 trillion when the other side goes from $250 billion to $300 billion. one side is moving a lot than the other. the two sides are really far apart. they push the big lie which led to the insurrection. they voted to overturn the election results. they did not support the impeachment even though donald trump was clearly at fault
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there. they have not negotiated with us and tried to engage with us since this session begun. we need to do so because the american people sent us into deliver. as democrats, we have to deliver. that's how we win midterms next year. >> i understand your point of republicans. a big part of why biden is in this position is because of democrats. senator joe manchin and senator kirsten. manchin just spoke to our own manu raju saying he's not going to do this just democrats. here is what he said. >> we have got to work together and that takes a lot of time and energy and patience. you can only do so much by
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yourself. >> even if you were to go that route, this bill will not become law without him. what do you sa i to -- say? >> the policies that progressives are pushing for are policies that are popular with the american people. lowering drug prices and investing in the care economy, rebuilding our crumbling school infrastructures. we introduce the care that centers care of the rebirth of our economy. that's very popular among the american people so is investing in our school infrastructure and lowering drug prices. i encourage senator manchin to look at what's been happening with water quality in west virginia for many years. what's happening with poverty in west virginia for many years and what's happening with the american people overall.
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this is our moment, history is going to tell the story and it is going to tell the story of us responding to the needs of the majority of the american people or responding to large corporations and the wealthy elites. it is time for us to build an economy that works as a m multi-racial economy. it has not met the mark of those who are marginalized which is the majority of the american people. >> all right, congressman, thank you very much, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you very much. >> congressman bowman. the white house is taking new steps to address an alarming surge in cyber attack on america. facebook is suspending trump until 2023, after the midterms. tonight trump had something to say about that.
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house of cyber attacks. translation, crucial things without which we could not survive here in the united states. the white house tonight saying president biden sees a rise in national security concern. the university of florida of health investigating possible cyber attack at their hospitals. jessica snyder is "outfront ". >> reporter: the biden administration is sounding the alarm of cyber attacks. there are a lot of parallels and importance and a lot of focus. the fbi is investigating about 100 different types of ra
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ranso ranso ransomware. the u.s. was hit by more than 1,000 ransomware attacks in the u.s. alone. ransomware locks up computer files and hackers demand payments to release the files. >> so a 300% increase in ransom payments over the prior year. >> reporter: ransomware attack impacted everything from the gas pipeline operated by colonial led to gas shortages along the east coast and individual healthcare networks whose computer systems have been shut down sporadically and across the world. >> all these incidents are affecting healthcare, ireland's healthcare system went down. >> reporter: the department of
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justice signaling this week it plans to coordinate its cyber investigations the same way it treats terrorism cases. former fbi officials shawn henry says it is going to take an international effort. >> they got to work collaboratively with law enforcement agencies to take these people off the field. t >> reporter: the massive threats had been looming for years. former director for intelligence, dan coats -- >> reporter: the white house this week sent business leaders nation went a letter for immediate action. we urge you to take ransomware crimes seriously and ensure your cyber defenses match the threat. >> director wray called out these attacks.
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president biden will get the chance to confront putin in a summit later this month. the white house says president biden will address the increase cyber attacks imminenting from russia. >> jessica, thank you very much. i want to go to david kennedy, he's a former hacker for the marine core. let me just ask you, fbi director wray compared these attacks to the challenges of 9/11. he did not do so, so lightly. your job is to look at vulnerabilities to see how at risk we are. how at risk is america? >> extremely. that's not the say it lightly either. 85% of our critical infrastructure which you can consider the food chain we saw and colonial pipeline with the gas. they're owned by private sector organizations, their security is
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lacking and they are not capable of handling the types of threats we are seeing from these organized crime groups. we are seeing it more sophisticated and more money is funneling in. >> i think it is fair people take a pause and think of the way we live our lives right now that if certain things are shut down. it is pretty terrifying when you think about it. these attacks as we have seen as you point out, every facet of our society, our food chain and energy and hospitals, could this be a test for something larger? these organized crime groups are making hundreds of millions of dollars. we deal with these cases on a yearly basis and predominantly out of russia here is the thing,
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organized crime groups i would say, at our sophistication levels up here, when you look at the people's liberation of army of china, their sophistication levels are way up here. when you see how vulnerable we are to these types of attacks, they all have sophisticated cyber warfare capabilities, you can expect major pain happening back here in the united states. and with our allies. we are highly vulnerable. >> it is a big mess that we are dealing with. >> what's happening as you point out that a lot of these places, these things are being attacked are run privately and not by the u.s. government. that's the way our country
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operates. colonial pipeline actually paid the ransom $4.4 million so the hacker got the money. the ceo of colonial explained why he paid up. >> the conversations went like this. >> do you pay the ransom or not? the initial thought is you don't want to pay the criminals. but our job, and our duty to the public, it was the right decision to make for the country. >> i understand where he's coming from. what terrifies me was there was no other way out. there was not somebody who could come in undo what they had done. it was so sophisticated that the only way out was paying a
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ransom. i got goose bumps as you said that. they have no other way of recovering other than paying these ransoms. these groups that are going after these companies are criminals. everybody can say don't pay the ransom and it is easy to say that. when it is your company and you pour h employ hundreds of thousands of people, you are either out of business or paying ransoms. these groups are really good at maximizing as much as damage as possible going after your backup and servers. it is not just encrypting. they take your data and steal it into their servers and they'll auction it off, hey, if you can still recover, we can still
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public your property and you are in a double whammy situation. >> yeah, then you are hostage. >> thank you very much. pretty sobering conversation. thank you though. >> thank you. next, trump's response of being banned on facebook. tonight's inside look on ufos. scientists who are studying ufos is "outfront" tonight. (vo) jamaica. (woman) best decision ever. (vo) feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin. feel the warm jamaican breeze lift your spirits and nourish your soul.
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tonight facebook announced they are suspending former president trump until 2023. that would keep him out of facebook until the midterm election. trump slamming the decision calling it an insult for the people who voted for him. brian stelter is "outfront." it takes away trump's biggest platform to communicate with his people. >> here is the new presentation from facebook today showing a
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two-year ban saying they're going as far as they'll ever go, a two-year ban in a time of uncivil unrest and ongoing violence. a two-year ban been given to trump. here is the language after 2022. what will happen in 2023? facebook says at the end of this period, we'll look to experts to assess the risk to public safety has receded or not. they are thinking two years ahead and thinking trump may still be out there and still inciting his crowd and they may ban him permanently and for now is a two-year ban. >> he's going to start doing his rallies and putting aside for a moment, a crucial question which is whether a company has control over american political speech is even good? the reality is trump is going to do these rallies and there are other places that these conversations are happening that
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facebook does not want anyone to see like telegram or qan qanoqanon -- [ inaudible ] >> you can have new attack following the insurrection because of places like telegram. the conversation is happening. a lot of people may be like well, i am not seeing it anymore. it does not mean it is not there. >> we have to recognize that. this is still going on and not visible on facebook. even if fox news does not carry trump's news tomorrow, news max promising it will. in nigeria, twitter deleted a tweet a tweet from their president because it was threatening. it is not just in the u.s., this is a global problem going forward. >> right, that gets back to the crucial question which is some people may like this when they agree facebook's deaf nation of
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captivating. >> oh, my gosh, dude. >> reporter: dark, grainy images of error spacecraft of unknown origins. >> there's a whole fleet of them. >> my gosh! >> they're going against the wind. the wind is 120 miles to the west. >> reporter: spotted by civilians, commercial pilots and military officers too, all insisting what they saw was real and inexplicable. >> it splashed. >> once we actually got close enough to get our visual systems engaged on the objects, we could see an ir signature, infrared energy telling us where something was. >> reporter: the unprecedented unclassified report includes analysis of more than 120 incidents over the past decades, according to "the new york times." >> the possibility to launch
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helo asap. >> reporter: sources tell cnn there is no evidence that ufos encountered by navy fliers were from outer space, while not entirely ruling out that possibility. the report is further expected to say these are not high-tech secret u.s. aircraft. as former president barack obama put it -- >> we don't know exactly what they are. we can't explain how they move. >> reporter: time again witnesses have said just imagine a craft that can fly thousands of miles per hour, maneuver in ways no known aircraft can match, evade radar and, oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces and yet still can defy the natural effects of earth's gravity. that's precisely what we're seeing. some analysts speculate it could be new technology from the russians or chinese. sources say the report will not
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rule that out. certainly the u.s. military has denied the existence of secret american aircraft in the past. and there are skeptics that all of this is much if anything at all. >> i think it's likely some kind of optical illusion maybe combined with some military flight tests of some unmanned aerial vehicles. >> reporter: still, after so many years of the government refusing to acknowledge that anyone was seeing anything out there, the mere fact that there is an official report going to lawmakers is out of this world, erin, and who knows might be seeing it out there. >> tom, thank you very much. you know, this gets to the whole point, right, about putting scientific rigor on all of this. let's go outfront to robert powell, executive board member for the scientific coalition for unidentified aerospace phenomena studies, uap as the scientists call them. robert, this is a much-anticipated government report and it took a lot to get
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them to do this. they're saying there's no evidence that the aerial phenomenon that pilots have talked about seeing are alien spacecraft but yet they have no explanation as to what they actually are. so then i don't know what they aren't, but they're saying they don't know what they are. what's your reaction to that? >> well, you really -- it's very difficult to believe what they have said and here's why. they have said one thing and that is that these are not u.s. craft. so that leaves china, russia, and basically some unknown intelligence. but the next step after that is, is it russian or chinese? and what was in that "new york times" article that was so interesting is that they said there were 120 incidents over the last 20 years. we know of one in 2004, a couple in 2015 and one or two in 2019. where are these 100 plus incidents? that means the government has a
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huge amount of data. over 20 years with that many incidents, we haven't figured out if it was the chinese or the russians? we have the most sophisticated radar, we have spy satellites all over the planet. we would know where these objects originated and where they headed to. if they came from china or russia, by now we should be able to have figured it out. if we haven't, that's concerning. >> extremely concerning, especially given as you point out this is over quite a long period of time. so that would indicate a level of technological advancement that is extremely disturbing that we wouldn't even know or be able to identify. so we talk about these navy pilots, robert. they spoke out to "60 minutes" about what they call a white tictac object they saw off the coast of san diego. here's how they describe this particular encounter. >> the tictacs don't point
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north-south, it turns and starts mirroring me. as i'm coming down, it's coming up. >> so it's mimicking your moves. >> it was aware that i'm there. i go like this and it's climbing still. and when it gets right in front of me, it just disappears. >> disappears? >> disappears. like gone. >> robert, what do you think these objects actually are? and what do we need to do to finding out? i would hope everyone can agree it's not okay to say, well, we don't think it's aliens but we have no idea what it is. that's not acceptable as a conclusion. >> yes, you're absolutely right, erin. we can't say we just don't know and hope that whatever this is resolves itself. the organization i represent, we did a 270-page paper on that specific event that involved commander fraber and we took not only his statement but the statements of commander slate and the other two pilots involved. using their statements, if you
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believe them, that this object disappeared in one or two seconds, then you basically have accelerations that are hundreds to thousands of gs, which is at least 100 years more advanced than anything we've got on the drawing board today. >> that's an incredible and thought-provoking way to leave this. obviously so many more questions to answer. robert, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. and next, more women returning to work. but today's jobs report also reveals a crucial group of women are still struggling in a major way.
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tonight, hiring picking up steam. the u.s. adding 559,000 jobs in may. now, one of the biggest headlines is that women accounted for most of the jobs added last month, which is good news. but look beyond that headline because the number of women between the ages of 25 and 54 dropped last month working. this age group is the most likely to have kids at home, obviously has suffered with child care issues during the pandemic. and there are still 1.8 million
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fewer women in the workforce than there were in february 2020 before the pandemic. 1.8 million fewer and that fits with a mckenzie study which found more than one in four women are considering downshifting their careers or leaving the workforce entirely post-pandemic. much more needs to be done to help the women who have been hurt most by this economic downturn. thanks for watching. it's time for anderson. good evening. 150 days since the worst single act of political violence since the civil war and the man who incited it is crying about being kept off of social media. before we get to that, there was a reminder today of why facebook told him he's not welcome on the platform until 2023. the justice department came up with updated figures on cases connected to the insurrection. approximately 465 defendants now from all 50 states. more than 130 defendants charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers or
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