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senator joe manchin, the intelligence unit was aware of the potential for violence but did not share critical information with officers. the report did not use the word
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"insurrection". crimes surging all across america, amid calling police reform and defunding police departments. i am going to talk to commissioner bill bradon. and former republican congressman, good evening, i appreciate you joining. jim, president biden talks on infrastructure just collapsed and the white house pinning its hopes on a different bipartisan group. schumer indicating he's prepared to go alone. what's the reality check here? >> well, the reality check is they're going to have to move forward and get a non-partisan bill, bill of just democrats moving and continue to negotiate with republicans. i went through this in 2009 when i was white house department chief of staff trying to negotiate obamacare. in the end, you can only
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negotiate so long. you can spend months after m months with these talks and you do exactly what the white house is doing. look, we'll negotiate and try these processes but eventually we'll go alone. what the american public really wants is for us to get stuff done and move this country forward and they don't care if it is partisan or non-partisan. they want to see washington work and that's why they want to send people to washington to get stuff done. >> were republicans toying with biden. he cut more than a trillion dollars off the blueprint while republicans only increase their proposals by $150 billion. was this all smoke and mirror? was mitch mcconnell going to agree on this or he's running the clock? >> i will tell you this, with the 50/50 split, i believe that if you know if i am the gop side, i am looking for fund
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raising 2022, i am thinking i can push this. that's a political calculation that they are doing right now. i think for me, i would say we need an infrastructure built. it was $800 billion. i don't think for some of the republicans, they needed infrastructure bill. i don't know if mcconnell knows it is 50/50 right now. again, with 60 votes needed for this. they wanted to filibuster. this is different than 2009 because of the even split in the senate and the small majority they have in the house right now. >> this is where we are. biden initially offered $2.25 trillion. republicans offered a trillion dollars bill but only $250 billion would be new spending. biden offered a $1.7 trillion counter offer and went to onto
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suggesting republicans he would be willing to accept an infrastructure package of $1 trillion. this is where we are. republicans increased their proposal by only $150 billion. that's according to jen psaki. republicans only want >> go ahead, ask and then i'll let jim. >> jim is going to agree with this. i still think you'll see a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill. i think that's where it's going to be. i said that last month. i think that's where they're going to get to, but i believe there will be a lot of caterwauling gnashing of teeth before they get to that point. >> i sort of agree with don, i thought they would maoove to something like a trillion dollars. they're saying our fund base
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don't approve of this. we want to oppose biden and we don't want to make a deal. j joe biden at some point will say, i've bent over backwards, i'm just going to move forward. >> i know when the appeal was happening, the democrats called witnesses but they didn't move f forward with it because they felt it would put the a sdwren -- agenda at risk. well, the agenda is at rick, anyway, and they didn't support january 6 and the big lie. did they make the wrong call? >> i think they said let's go forward and try to legislate and get things done for this country. if we're going to have these moments, let's move forward and use it for things like a voting rights bill, like an infrastructure bill, like a health care bill. so they're going to cast these tough votes but they're just doing it in a way that is going to make sense for their politics
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and what they think is right for the country. >> jim, denver, thank you very much. i appreciate you guys and i'll see you soon. i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst, mr. andrew mccabe, the former director of the fbi. he is the author of "the threat: how the office protects america in the age of terror and trump." thank you, andy mt. good to see you. we now have this report on the insurrection, but it ignores trump's responsibility. is that a mistake? >> of course it is. we have a detailed and broad scope report, but what we don't have is a complete report. the report, as you mentioned, ignores the impact the former president had on the rally that ultimately led to the riot. the report refrains from even referring to to an insurrection, that was a bad word they couldn't use, and it doesn't
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even go so far as to call out the big lie. with those kind of fundamental inadequacies, it's hard to see how we get much out of this. one of the my concerns about this report is it provides a bit of a fig leaf. it kind of creates an excuse for republicans and others on the hill to say that we don't really need to go any further, which further undercuts our ability to get a legitimate commission that's going to look deeply into these agencies and really get to the root cause of mappwhat happ on the 6th. >> i don't know if you saw it, but a capitol police officer said he thinks a report is a good start. but he added this. >> it doesn't get to the root causes of the january 6 insurrection, and it doesn't address things like which groups were involved, you know, which organized groups were involved, who were those groups in communication with, if anyone,
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within our government? where is the funding? as a narcotics investigator, our rule of thumb was always to follow the money. where were these groups receiving funds? >> so is there a commission looking into all that that comes in? is that where that comes in? >> of course, and officer fanone is exactly right. those are sort of nitty-gritty details that professional investigators who understand these agencies, who know the right questions to ask and the right rocks to look under could ultimately get some answers from. i'll give you one other example. the fbi has an extensive informant network in this country that reports on the domestic extremist community. so the question i would have is, what were those informants telling the fbi prior to january 6? did the fbi have information from that network about what people were saying was going to happen in the capitol, and if
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they did, what did they do with that information? if they didn't have any reporting on it, why didn't they? why are their informants not reporting on the most relevant and important threat? those are the kinds of really detailed inquiries you're not going to get out of a senate or house investigation, you need a dedicated commission of professionals to really peel this thing back. >> in the report we learn that capitol police officers were warned, the capitol police were warned, i should say. also intelligence officials underestimated the online chatter in the run-up to january 6. the red tape hindered the national guard response. how can this report be given to all of the right people the next time so it doesn't happen? >> these are the exact conclusions that the 9/11 commission was able to present to the u.s. intelligence community, law enforcement community after 9/11.
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you saw these same sorts of pro problems. the relationships between agencies weren't where they should be, the intelligence sharing wasn't where it should be, and with that revelation, we've completely changed the way we do business, and with that the country has been safer since 9/11 in terms of attacks from foreign terrorists. that's the sort of work we need to do here. it's not a political thing, it's not democratic or republican, it's just in the interest of making the country and the capitol safe. >> andrew mccabe, thank you, sir. >> thank you. republican officials around the country not only putting new restrictions on voting but increasingly imposing their will on cities and counties run by democrats. to discuss now, senior political analyst ron brown sr. is here. ron, thank you for being here, sir. your new analysis, republicans escalating their offensive against democrat-controlled
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cities. tell us what's happening. >> there's been a general lurk to the right this year in red states on a whole variety of issues, voting, abortion, guns, transgender rights, and part of that is an upsurge in republican control and legislators of cities and counties on a whole range of issues. you had states like florida, georgia and texas that are trying to make it impossible for cities to cut their police budgets. you've seen in states like texas and georgia the state legislature and governor specifically outlaw mechanisms that some of their largest counties use to increase voter turnout. we've seen even in a state like montana now with unified republican control, they're overriding the ability of the largest communities to even control development in their borders. and this is all part of the widening geographic divided american politics where democrats are doing better in
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large metros, really in every state at this point, and republicans remain dominant in rural areas, and where that rural strength is allowing them to control state legislatures and governorships, they are using that leverage to override the decisions of their biggest counties and cities. >> we have these red states that are exerting their will over the blue states' majorities on a number of issues with broad public support. >> yeah, absolutely. really, the question is -- the p paradox is this is the goose that lays the golden eggs. whether this is in san antonio texas or the big metros, increasingly it is the metros that are driving the economies of these states. the share of jobs and gdp and population growth is most rapid in these big metro centers at this point. but with redistricting coming up, republicans seem to be confident that they can, as one
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expert said to me, slice and d dice these metros, submerge them in metro districts that have rural kind of populations and fracturing their political power. make no mistake, this is part of the broader conflict we are seeing post-election as kind of trump america is kind of lashing out in many ways since biden's victory on a whole range of issues from making it more difficult to get an apporbortio all the voting rights laws we're seeing in a real upsurge to voting rights. and part of it is the pandemic where you see governors for setting the city's operation of businesses or mask requirements, but now making people show vaccines. >> you point out how georgia specifically outlawed early voting, buses used by fulton
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county where atlanta is. they also severely limited drop boxes. are laws like this about targeting predominantly blue, urban, and you know what i mean by that, urban areas? black votes. >> unquestionably. that's what we are seeing. in state after state. and this pattern of increased preemption of red states and blue cities began in 2010. it kind of percolated along in the decade. it took a huge leap during the pandemic when you saw kemp in georgia and abbott in texas and desantis the head of the line in florida, pressured by trump repeatedly overriding the decisions by executives or mayors whether to close down businesses or fine people who weren't wearing masks, and that posture has rolled right into this legislative session. key west, florida passed a ballot referendum to limit the
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docking of large cruise ships and the state is overriding even that. there is almost no area na seems to be out of bounds at this point, and again, it is part of this larger pattern of all of these issues where the red states are moving very aggressively to the right in almost a coordinated fashion since biden's victory. >> mr.breaking news to report. terry mccollum will be the commonwealth governor again beating out four other challengers. it breaks out fothe democratic
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let's discuss now with historian douglas brinkley. douglas, good to see you, as usual, you know that. >> thank you. >> let's talk about this. the former president barack obama warning our democracy is in danger and now lawmakers are standing up for it. watch this. >> all those congressmen started looking around and they said, you know what, i'll lose my job. i'll get voted out of office. another way of saying this is i didn't expect that there would be so few people who would say, well, i don't mind losing my office because this is too important. america is too important. >> some things are more important. >> our democracy is too important. we didn't see that. now, you know, i'm still the hope and change guy, so my hope
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is that the tides will turn, but that does require each of us to understand that this experiment in democracy is not self-executing. it doesn't happen just automatically, it happens because each successive generation says, these values, these truths we hold self-evident. this is important. we're going to invest in it and sacrifice for it and we'll stand up for it, even when it's not politically convenient. >> now, i want you to compare that to what former president trump had to say this weekend. >> i am not the one trying to undermine american democracy. i'm the one that's trying to save it. >> wow, what a contrast that is,
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douglas, but the trump organization continues to push the big lie. is this intensifying now? >> it is intensifying, and that was an incredible interview that anderson cooper did. barack obama was so careful with his words, but it's frightening. he's talking about democracy being chiselled away right in front of our very eyes right now. the interview really reminded me that history is going to look at our time in history as a time of a vision in america and donald trump's. it used to be when jimmy carter became governor of georgia and then president, it was about the new south of jimmy carter. then bill clinton won twice in arckansas arkansas, and george w. bush and mccain and romney. none of it really matters anymore, it's become about whether you believe in donald trump's mccarthyism belief of
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being against america or that rock that barack obama represents. they really are a part of our time. >> he's a hope and change guy, he said. he's all about unity. trump made his presidency about division and chaos. do you worry the division and the chaos view of our country is winning out right now? >> i do, because we saw with joe manchin in west virginia not sticking with the democrats and biden and not making it easier for americans to vote, basically intimating that voter suppression is okay. leading the way to find ways to suppress the vote.
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our whole lifetime we celebrate john lewis and lyndon johnson and the civil rights act, and then barack obama breaking a paradigm of all white presidents, and we seem to be going backwards right now into a kind of neofascism, a states' right spasm, and it's coming largely out of the red states in the south. so it's nerve-wracking, and the thought that with social media being part of this, people are, as obama said in their own media siloes, people are getting false information and are coming to conspiracy theories running amok. we are a nation in crisis right now, but all the good people who want to heal the country have to start pushing forward the politics of of cohesion and not listen to the bombast of donald trump and his golf cart in florida continue to divide our nation of race and caste.
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>> i think i said something wrong. i should have said the mark of our universe. i left it out. don't get all fired up, folks. i was like, wait a minute, i don't think i got that right. >> i would say, don, the arc of justice. just the fact that things are going to be more just year after year as we progress in america. you know, barack obama did a lot to open the narrative american history. he saved caesar chavez' home, he saved lgbtq in new york, so america could be open and not the neophyte like trump is being. more than four mass shootings one deadly weekend after another. what's behind the spike and how do we fix it? former police commissioner bill bratton joins me, next. more ca. just lots of ink.
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a senate bill may be hitting a roadblock, the two far apart on a number of key issues. this comes with the backdrop of surging crime of america. more than 8400 people have died from gun violence so far this year, and there have been more than 240 mass shootings. a lot to discuss now with bill bratton, the former new york city police commissioner. he's also the author, by the way, of the profession memoir of "community, race and the arc of policing in america." i'm so glad to have him on tonight. commissioner, thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> commissioner, just this past weekend, at least 16 people died of gun violence in the u.s. what makes this urgent crime different from past ones?
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>> well, i think it's a reflection of the growing number of guns in our society. now i think almost 400 million versus almost 33 million americans. but the speed of the increase, the acceleration as we're coming out of the coronavirus this year is of concern and the breadth of it, the fact that just about every major american city, let alone the suburbs, are experiencing significant crime increases, particularly shootings and murders. the murder rate would be even higher if we didn't have so much experience in our trauma centers where they say so many lives are shooting victims. the shootings are what i would look at more than the homicides as a reflection of what was going on. >> it's been two years since george floyd was murdered at the hand of police. there have been calls of reform. what do you think policing should look like in a post
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george floyd america? >> well, i would hope it would be a form of policing that would re-engage the trust of the american population, particularly its minority population, something that clearly has been lost, diminished significantly since the death of mr. floyd. although ironically there was a poll out earlier this week that shows in the past couple months, confidence in the police, a score from the police has gone up from, i believe it was 60% to 80%. it's kind of an anomaly considering all we've been seeing over the course of the last year. so the first challenge is going to be to regain tryust, and to o that we have to refund the police rather than defund, and that refunding is going to have to really focus on the issue of training. so much of what police get in trouble over is their handling of the use of force, their interaction with the public. and to really correct that, to
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diminish that, to improve that, if you will, diminish those negative interactions and improve the actions between police and the public is going to require a lot more training for implicit bias, for de-escalation, for understanding the different reactions to narcotics use by people so that they understand if they're dealing with someone under the influence of meth amphetamines r under the influence of cocaine, all the dirfferent types of drus out there. and then if you do have to use force, how do you use a minimum amount of force. that's where the floyd bill comes in. i'm hoping that if that bill were to ever pass it would include funding for so much of what's need to do improve the training of police. other than that, you get what you pay for. america has been policing on the cheap since history. >> let's talk about that and
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talk about what police can do, because, you know, that phrase "defund the police," the facts show that it wasn't very helpful in winning over allies to that side. it quickly turned political, making it difficult to focus on actual police reform. are there tasks that police have been asked to do that should be handled or could be handled by other public servants, commissioner? >> sure. i talk about this extensively in the book you referenced at the beginning of the show, in the profession of 50 years of dealing with this, i started dealing with it in the 1970s when we deinstitutionalized the mentally ill and effectively put them out in the street and began to create the homeless problem we're now addressing 50 years later. we also depoliced in the '70s. we reduced by the thousands many numbers of police in many cities. new york lost 5,000. my city of boston, i laid off
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20% as superintendent of that department. we also decriminalized the tools that police used, many of those tools were taken away from us even as the streets were becoming more unsettled with the home r homeless increasing, use of drugs increasing. it's ironic in 2021 we're back where we started 50 years ago, because the decriminalization that the criminal justice system re reformats in many states, including new york. i would argue that moving too quickly will reform too quickly. this time we're rapidly emptying out our prisons too rapidly in response to the coronavirus. so that is a perfect example of all three of those, new york has lost 7,000 police officers in the last year or so. the homeless population on the
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streets largely made up of the mentally ill and recently released prisoners out of our jails and prisons, creating a very disturbing sense of unease for the public in the subways and on the streets, and we are moving forward with criminal justice reform, some of which is necessary. but a lot of it is really too much too soon, a bridge too far, if you will. >> commissioner, we want to have you back. it's a very important conversation and we appreciate you joining us this time. the book again is "the profession: a memoir of policing, race and the arc in america." it's been four months since "the bachelor" host chris harrison was fired for using a
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chris harrison out as host of "the bachelor" franchise after many years. harrison announced in february that he was stepping aside following remarks he made while being interviewed by rachel lindsey, a current "extra" host. in that interview he defended a contestant who was filming an antebellum party in 2013. watch this. >> i saw a picture of her at a sorority party five years ago and that's it. like, boom, okay, this girl is
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in this book now, and she's now in this group. and i'm like, really? >> the picture was from 2018 at an old south antebellum party, so i think, you know, when you -- that's not a good look. it's not a good look. >> well, rachel, is it a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021? because there's a dimfference. >> it's not a good look ever. she was celebrating the old south. if i went to that party, what would i represent at that party? >> i don't disagree with you. you're 100% right in 2021. that was not the case in 2018. >> ricachel lindsey who was interviewing chris spoke out moments later. >> this is a good teachable moment, because you think racism has to be explicit. this is an example of i am
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po -- implicit racism. there was some bias coming out in that interview, and i think he realized that which is why he said he was perpetuating racism. that's exactly what was happening as he wasn't able to see what an antebellum party represents, what i would represent if i was attending that party. you're celebrating a time where i was in slavery, where i was recognized as three-fifths of a person. >> harrison apologized. now he's out of a job. but the showbiz centric "deadline" is saying harrison has a payout in the eight-figure range. they were major rivals during the 2020 democratic primary. now he's opened up about his newfound alliance with president biden.
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campaign progressives were skeptical. >> progressive, moderate, conservatives. >> reporter: bury now guess who is firmly incited. >> as somebody who wrote a book called "outsider in the house," yes, it is a strange experience to be having that kind of influence we have now. >> reporter: strange, especially for two men with decades of hard held long-standing disagreements. >> i believe in medi-cal for all. >> he is more conservative than i am, obviously. but on the other hand, he is not only a smart guy, he is a good politician who has a sense of where people are at and what is possible. i think he understands that at this particular moment in american history, you got to go big, not small. >> reporter: and five months into his presidency, biden has gone big, very big. >> he's historical, and they call it transformational.
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>> reporter: that was the $1.9 trillion covid relief package followed by a plan to protect voting rights. not to mention a massive infrastructure plan. sander, the newly minted 79-year-old budget chairman, is primed and ready to go. progressives are growing more and more impatient with moderates in their own party. not to mention with republicans who have been flirting with biden on infrastructure. and sanders is in a rush. do you have infinite patience timewise? >> no, i do not. >> reporter: that's a no? >> not only do i not have infinite patience, i have very limited patience. look, we learned a lesson from the obama years. republicans will talk and talk, we want to work with you, bipartisan month after month after month, nothing happens. >> reporter: it's a lesson that stuck with biden too. so an alliance was born. not so much a love story, but more like a marriage of convenience. the one-time centrist and the long-time progressive.
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20 years ago, is this the joe biden you would have expected? >> no. i think the biden of today is not what i or others would have expect. >> reporter: nrl a new reality intruded. >> covid exacerbated all of the existing problems in terms of the struggles of working families. >> reporter: then came january 6th. >> what trump is about his actual threat to american democracy. what biden sees out there is that if we do not move aggressively and make it clear to people that government can work for them, then we stand a real chance of losing democracy in this country. >> reporter: there is a shared history too. both men have working class roots and both wanted to be president. ♪ and when vice president biden decided not to run in 2016 as the party establishment lined up behind hillary clinton, he reached out to sanders for a private chat or two, a courtesy sanders has not forgotten.
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>> he was giving me his advice, political advice, and they were i think for me very useful conversations and friendly conversations. >> i certainly believe that senator sanders left that meeting feeling that joe biden was giving him a hey, go make your case, bernie, because there is a lot of people who need to hear it. >> reporter: in 2020, they were campaign rivals. then as sanders was getting ready to withdraw from the race, he had an idea on the plane ride back to vermont. >> he says hey, do you have some friends over there in the biden world? ask them if they want to invite progressive policies and personnel into their campaign. just see what they say. >> reporter: they said yes. >> bernie is an important voice within the democratic party. and we respect that voice and we need that advice sometimes. . >> reporter: can you talk to me about how welcome they made you feel? >> very welcome. >> reporter: it was a little different from hillary clinton
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in 2016? >> yes, yes, it is. >> reporter: you weren't welcomed? >> i was tolerated. my support was -- they wanted my support, obviously. >> reporter: but now the one-time outsider is mr. chairman. hosting dinner parties. >> not exactly a fancy dinner party. well did an outside with our progressive friends in the house. we had a very nice time. >> reporter: he worked to corral progressives for the american rescue plan, even after the minimum wage hike was taken out. >> was it everything we wanted? no. was it a major step forward for the working class of this country? you bet it was. >> reporter: but can he or will he search for common ground with moderates in a 50-50 senate? you have to deal with moderates like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and getting them on board. >> yeah, i've heard about that. but in all honesty, chuck shuman does more of that talking than i do. >> reporter: back in vermont, bernie, the former mayor of burlington is the local anti-establishment hero.
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but these days he is really part of the ruling class in d.c., even when he disagrees with the man in charge. >> he does things sometimes that i think are really not a good idea. but i understand why he does it, because he has made promises to people, and he wants to keep his promises. >> reporter: and he has always kept his promises to you? >> yes. >> joe biden understands i think his heart and gets what he is fighting for. and in that way has built a real respectful relationship. >> reporter: which these days is hard to come by. >> one of the things that struck me about joe biden is a very strong sense of loyalty, which i like and respect. we're going to have our differences, but i ultimately trust you and you're going trust me. we're not going to double cross each other. there will be bad times, but we're going to get through this together. >> reporter: don, now that sanders has said he is ready to move forward on biden's spending proposals as soon as july, the big question remains.
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can he and the president get 50 democrats to go along. >> gloria borger, thank you. and thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. oh! don't burn down the duplex. terminix. no, he's not in his room. ♪
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breaking news on a breakdown in the infrastructure lane. john berman in for anderson. weeks of talks aimed at getting a bipartisan deal on infrastructure have ended. president biden pulled the plug on negotiations with a gop group led by shelly moore capito. the focus now shifts to another group led by west virginia democrat joe mansion because it's not just country roads after all.

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