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putting out a statement saying his testimony alone was a victory for democracy. >> ryan, thank you. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> the question is now, does the doj decide to do anything on the strength of what mcgahn put out there. john, have a good night. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." this is night one of president biden's first overseas tour. the main question is, will he take back the power from putin? the president addressed u.s. troops stationed in the uk this afternoon. made the case that america is back, and ready to lead the world again. reassuring our troops, our friends, needed. getting russia out of our elections and infrastructure is a must. biden seems to get that.
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>> heading to the g7, then to the nato ministerial, and then to meet mr. putin to let him know what i want him to know. [ cheers and applause ] we're going to make it clear that the united states is back, and democracies of the world are standing together to tackle the toughest challenges. >> can't do it alone, but it does have to be done. cyber hacking is a main topic of the meeting with putin. biden says he will convey that there are consequences for violating the sovereignties around the world. the bar is low for success because of the singular level of sucking up that trump brought to bear with putin. >> putin is a killer. >> we got a lot of killers. you think our country is so
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innocent? if he says great things about me, i'll say great things about him. some people think it's russia. i have president putin, he just said it's not russia. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> i have seen on my watch, i can tell you this, as an american, it was embarrassing. the media covering that symposium was waiting for a punchline. it turned out the joke was on us. it felt like rock bottom, right? things then sunk lower. remember this? >> he would like to have another meeting. he wrote me beautiful letters, and they're great letters. we fell in love. >> he fell in love with rocket man, but america's standing in the eyes of the world fell. there were white house invites to mbs of saudi arabia,
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congratulatory calls to the president of the philippines for taking care of his country's drug problem by massacring thousands. and the infamous perfect calls, the one with ukraine. last night, i spoke with a former top ukrainian official who listened in to that call. he was also on the giuliani call that teed it up. now, he says because of those experiences, they don't see america in the same light anymore. >> basically, before this interaction with rudy giuliani, before the perfect phone call, before these events, our civil society of dreamers believed in american exceptionalism, and american ideals. i was one of them. and experiencing all of this firsthand, hearing those
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conspiracies, experiencing that pressure, that was really damaging. everyone, including myself, has a slightly more cynical view of america now. and that's a real tragedy, the damage has been done. >> i know when you hear something like that, there's a reflex, like, really, ukraine is going to come at us? hold on. think about what they're doing. they're desperate for legitimacy. they're getting pummeled by russia, they reach out to america, who is supposed to be their friend. and they get trump, rudy giuliani before him, on a squeeze play. igor said it was like the godfather right from the jump. what makes america special that igor has to recognize and c ukraine and the rest of the world here, we hold people to account and we make better
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efforts. that's what we can do here. we can question our leaders. i do it on a regular basis. we're going to do it tonight. that's why i want to bring a better mind to assess the stakes on what has been on his watch, and what is to come on biden's watch. ambassador william taylor. he was a star witness at trump's impeachment trial. thank you for joining us on "prime time," sir. >> thank you, chris. great to be here. >> first, an obvious question. why weren't you on the perfect phone call, did they box you out because you weren't on board with what they wanted? >> that phone call was listened to by a small number of people in washington, and a very small number of people in ukraine. no, i don't think that they had any idea of who would be on, or
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who would be listening, or what the implications would be. i don't think they knew what would happen on that call. that was an unusual call in many r respects. we know there was pressure put on president zelensky. >> when you think about what that was about, you had texted go gordon, it's crazy to ask for help with a political campaign, but that's exactly what was going on. should people still care, or is it just the past? >> people should certainly care. and what happened during that time was that there was an unusual, i called it irregular channel that was operating between the united states and ukraine. this irregular channel was not part of the regular channel that normally handles foreign policy.
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this was an irregular channel that mr. giuliani was playing in, and the ambassador as well. it made people think, and misled people, that this was actual u.s. foreign policy. it was not. and they now understand that well. >> so going forward, as i teed it up at the top here, how important is it that president biden come strong at putin in a way that trump never did? and is saying the community is going to protect democracies again enough? >> i think it's very important. president biden has made it very clear that he is clear-eyed about president putin. we know that you played some of
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the clips where president biden expressed his view about president putin. president biden mentioned that he doesn't think that president putin has a soul. and putin said, now we understand each other. and i think president biden is not going to this meeting in an attempt to reset or restart or make the relationship work. this is not what he's after. he's looking for something that will bring it to some level of predictability and stability, the problem is mr. putin is not looking for stability. he's looking for instability, and he's not predictable. this is a challenge for president biden and i think president biden understands that. >> the diplomatic talk, you're a diplomat, but the diplomatic talk, hey, there will be consequences, democracies will protect -- why talk in the future perfect like that instead
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of just saying, look, i know you did it. you know you did it. and i'm coming for you. every time you do something, you're going to get it back, and there will be a consequence you don't like. why not speak plainly about it? >> chris, he has made that point. president biden earlier said, if we find that he's done these things, in afghanistan, in s solarwinds, with the use of chemical weapons, then there will be consequences. he found out about those three things and others, and indeed there were consequences. he made it clear, president biden has put sanctions on president putin and on the russian economy. and has indicated that there will be more if these norms are violated again. so it is not just the future. he's put sanctions on. in fact, his first call to president putin was a heads-up. mr. putin, in two days, i'm going to announce sanctions on
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you. that was a heads-up that president biden gave to president putin. and sure enough, two days later, sanctions were rolled out. >> cyber warfare, ransomware is on the rise primarily not because of technology, but because of finances and cryptocurrency. what is the leverage that biden has in fighting ransomware attacks? >> i think the leverage is a recognition on the part of certainly the government of russia, but even of those people in russia who are executing these attacks. that they can be attacked back. they can be attacked in ways that puts them on the defensive. they know that we know who they are. our people are pretty good at figuring out where that attack
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is coming from. and they -- we have taken some steps. some public, some not so public, that indicates to them that people who are executing these attacks, that they know the united states knows where they are. >> one other thing while i have you. vaccines. we know that they need, like, 11 billion of them around the world. but we have 60 million astrazeneca stockpiled. we're behind the other major vaccine distributors. what do you think about that, and how important is it for biden to change that, and quickly? >> very important, very quickly. i understand, you have reported as well, that the announcement that president biden may make an announcement tomorrow about 500 million doses that he's going to make available. 200 million this year, 300 million next year. that's very important for the
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regions that you said. it's important that the united states be seen to be helping in this, being a major player in the defeat of this virus. >> so you got to give to get. and this is a big part, especially if you want to play politics and china, who unquestionably started this thing. they have given 350 million so far. obviously, while they may have created the problem, they're outpacing others in terms of being part of the solution. thank you for being on the show. thank you for your service to the country, both in the military and in the diplomatic corps. >> good to be here. this president has his work cut out for him. not when he's out on the road, when he comes home. we just saw another effort at bipartisanship collapse in the senate. the definition of insanity is when you keep doing the same thing and you expect different
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joe biden is not the first president to go overseas in search of a win. that's pretty much the only reason presidents go overseas. but he is going at a time when things are not working well for him at home. this bipartisan january 6th commission idea, blocked. police reform, stalled. white house negotiations on infrastructure, waste of time. the for the people voting bill does not have the numbers. and the filibuster is not going anywhere. the one piece of legislation that is moving is in states led
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by trumpers. it's a wave of voter suppression. it increases, they have laws that are about increasing gun access. they have laws that are increasingly attacking a woman's reproductive rights. while at the same time saying the government doesn't have the right to control your body and make you take a vaccine, by the way. they're cutting short one of biden's big wins by ending covid benefits early. the tight margins in the senate are not new, but this is particularly tight. during the company, we heard a lot about joe biden's relationships on both sides of the aisle and how he could make the senate work. listen. >> given the relationships he has, particularly with people in the senate, he has the ability to get some things done. >> senator biden had relationships with them in the senate. >> he had lots of close friends in the senate, still does. >> i never bought this. and i said the same.
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i always got written off as a cynic. not a cynic, but i believe you look at things with a skeptical eye. let's bring in paul begala to see what the fix is. brot brother begala, what needs to change? >> actually, i am a great fisherman. one of the fisherman's rules, you know about this, because you putter around out there in long island sound -- >> in the ocean. you're in a stream with big pants on. go ahead. >> anyway, one of the rules of fisherman, the more lines in the water, you get more fish in the boat. biden is not only pursuing what
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i think is ultimately going to be a fruitless attempt to get 60 votes, but by doing that, i think he'll get 50. at the same time he was pursuing conversations with a stand-in for mitch mcconnell. but now there's another bipartisan effort. that is going on at the same time over on the house today, they began marking up the surface transportation bill in the infrastructure transportation committee. this is a half-trillion dollar bill right now. and they just passed the innovation and competition act, $250 billion, described as part
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one of the biden jobs act. and one or more will hit that b bait. >> so you see it as flooding the zone, something has to get through. but the big ticket item, the infrastructure bill. you say they'll do it piece by piece? >> they may have to. i think they're going in every way that they can to try to get this through. again, i think the only way to get to 50 is to get caught trying to get to 60. i don't think they'll ever make it. i don't think the republicans will negotiate in good faith. but they'll play out that string. i think they've only got nine or ten weeks. if they don't have something by august, then they're in real trouble. >> i have no reason to doubt president biden's relationships. but i have every reason to doubt
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what they've been able to produce. somebody that had terrible relationships with republicans would be in the same spot as biden. but the for the people act, this is not about money. this is about literally the wheels of justice. it's interesting, they are playing to win on this, the republicans. and listen to senator cornyn today. >> we've heard similar lines of attack from many across the aisle who falsely tried to brand this law as a form of voter suppression. once you play the race card, it's hard for people to think clearly. because it tugs at our emotions. >> now, the genius of this, paul, is that that is exactly what is motivating these bills that are exactly about voter suppression, the emotion of fear about a fraudulent election that is based on a fraud of no
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premise. so he's playing that game, and at the same time, blaming you guys for it. >> right. this is what the trump republicans do. mr. cornyn has apparently become a trump republican. they project. but john cornyn particularly, i'm from texas. he has a particular obligation, texas has more black citizens than any other satate. so he has a responsibility to stand up for their rights. in austin, they're trying to pass a bill that would take polling places away from black communities and put them into white communities. in ft. worth, it's about 80% minority in one district. it would lose half the polling places, and they would be shifted to white communities. they're trying to cut back on early voting, drive-through voting, late night voting, even sunday morning souls to polls
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voting. they're targeting black and brown texans with surgical precision. it is racist, and i think it's right to call that what it is. these are racist acts trying to discriminate against some texans. >> imagine what happens if democrats in the majority don't stop it. that will be an existential crisis in the midterms. >> i'm all for infrastructure, but they got to save our democracy. >> you got to go to manchin and say, show me your for the people bill. show me it. show me the one that you'll pass, and let's just do this right now. it's got to get done. because your brothers and sisters on the right aren't going to be with you. i think that's the move. >> i talk to a member of congress who wrote the bill, they said, we're open for business. they see manchin as a reformer,
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as someone who expanded and protected voting rights. >> it's at 81% popularity in his own state, the for the people act. it's got to be about something else that is going on with him. i think he's caught between then and now. but they have to put it to him. i think if you guys don't get it done, you have big trouble. i love you, appreciate you. talk to you next week. >> great to see you, chris. a highly transmissible new covid strain has taken hold in the uk. but it is an early, distant warning for us here about what is to come, and what it means for the unvaccinated. the u.s. surgeon general is here. next.
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all right. now we have the uk variant that spreads much more quickly than what we have here. and on top of it, we have the delta variant that is even more contagious than the uk. that will be dominant in the u.s. accounting for 6% of the cases here so far. doesn't bode well for our battle to end this pandemic, because vaccination rates are dropping. okay? dr. fauci issued a new warning. >> we cannot declare victory prematurely, because there is still a substantial proportion of people who have not been vaccinated. we don't want to let happen in the united states what is happening countr currently in t with a variant taking over as the dominant variant. we don't want to be there.
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it's a very difficult situation in the uk. >> people can come at fauci, they're making him the new hillary clinton. that's their play. i want to see them come up with proof that he's wrong about what it means to get vaccinated in the face of these variants. that it's not necessary. that you'll be fine. because we're living in deep denial about the need for the vaccine. i got the vaccine. i still had antibodies, even when i got it. i could donate the plasma, do all of that. why? i wanted the protection. i was a little sick when i got it. but now i have some protection if the variants come, or at least that's what we're told. let's check. we continue our series, surgeon general dr. vivek murthy, great to see you, sir. >> it's good to see you, chris. how have you been? >> better than i deserve. with these variants, if people are vaccinated with the vaccines we now have, what does it mean
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if the uk variant or the delta variant, do we know anything about protection with the current vaccine and those variants? >> chris, it's a really good question. the news about the delta variant is evidence of why it's so important to get vaccinated as soon as possible. this is even more transmissive, and it could be even more dangerous as well. the good news, when they looked at the pfizer vaccine, it was still protective after two doses against the delta and the uk variant. it's yet another reason to get vaccinated quickly. and those who are not are increasingly at risk as more and
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more variants develop. we're absolutely blessed to have multiple options for vaccines. there are places in the world where these vaccines -- protect their communities and get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> doc, you think the horse is out of the barn? 13 states have met the biden goal of 70% of adults with at least one shot by july 4th. the vaccination rates are dropping, because places are opening anyway. people have had it, and states are desperate for commerce, and politicians are desperate for approval. what is the chance that we get more people vaccinated? >> chris, i'm optimistic that we can. i don't think it will be easy. but i think it will require several things. number one, us continuing to increase access to these vaccines. as you heard last week, there have been even more measures from free child care to extended
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pharmacy hours, and free rides and other measures. but it will take continuing to work with trusted local messengers like faith leaders, doctors, and nurses are in communities, talking to members, talking to their patients and students. we knew it would get harder as this effort went on. one thing we've learned more clearly than anything else, this vaccination effort will move at the speed of trust. that's why all of us have an important role to play. there is somebody who trusts us, maybe it's a family member or a good friend. maybe it's the people that you serve if you run a business, or that you minister to if you are a pastor in a church. whoever it may be, those people need you in moments like this to share your experience, to ask them if they got vaccinated, and support them in their efforts to get questions answered and to find a place to get vaccinated.
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it's going to take every part of society and every part of our country to step up to protect our nation. >> one part i think we'll revisit someday, access is the key component of wanting the vaccine. i don't get what the politics were about the passport that somebody has. but preferences for people who are vaccinated, not forcing it, obviously, but when they know that they get vaccinated, they get to go places and get spaces they wouldn't otherwise, i think it's a really big thing just to the private sector. we'll talk about that another day. i want to play a piece of sound for you from dr. lipkin, about whether or not, if covid-20 comes, a year from now, will we be ready to take it on? listen to what he said.
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>> we don't have stuff in place, ready to go, if we were to get hit again, do we? >> not yet. i'm hoping this is something we're going to be addressing shortly. there are so many areas where we're weak. >> leading question, fair point. however, he did agree with the assertion that we don't have it. and it boggles me. yes, the obama administration gave a book to the trumps about, here's what you need to do, when they came in. you would think, doc, that now we would be working on reagents, swabs, ppe. you know, have contact tracing staff, and mechanisms for it to spread quickly in case this ever happens again. and we don't. why? >> it's a really good question. it gets to the heart of what we need to contend with if we want to be able to respond to the next pandemic. there will be another pathogen that comes our way. the question is, will we be
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ready? i can say, we're further along now than we were six months ago. there are several areas where we need to work, number one is infrastructure, people and systems. it's local infrastructure like contact tracing and the workforce comes in. and the second, manufacturing. we know from the 100-day study that the biden administration did, we need to shore that up, and enhance our manufacturing capabilities. in addition to that, it will be essential to build the right partnerships, domestically and globally, and also communicate in a manner that is clear, consistent, and based in science. these are all areas we can make improvements. but the funding that has come through has pumped billions of
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dollars into strengthening the public health infrastructure that we're talking about. this is really important. because you can't build that overnight. it takes time. you have to recruit people, train them, get them used to the data systems that they need to use. and you need to build trust in institutions, not just the cdc, but scientific institutions across the country. we're going to keep working hard to invest more dollars to build the workforce and manufacturing cap capacity, and ultimately to build trust. >> mr. surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy, thank you for joining us. there was testimony in congress to investigators, and they waited two years for it. we now finally know what former
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i know there are a lot of people who watch this show to see what is said about the president. what they're lying about with him now, what they're doing to trump. well, know this for a fact, and you can check it yourself and read it yourself. trump did exactly what he told you he never did. remember, i never told don mcgahn to fire robert mueller? all of his people were so sure that it never happened. listen. >> does the president commit to not firing robert mueller? >> the president has not even discussed that. the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> i never felt the level of -- the level ten -- >> what people heard, it's possible the president uttered
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the words, i want mueller fired. i want mueller gone. >> i never heard that. >> september 1st, mid-september -- >> will he fire him if he doesn't file the report by september 1st? >> i don't think he's going to fire him. mueller is creating his own problems. >> they all knew that they weren't telling you the truth. they'll say, hold on, he never said it to me, he said it to don mcgahn. i never heard it. there's not one person that knows anything. if one person knows something, several people know it. that's how it works. you know who says otherwise? don mcgahn. he testified that he felt trapped because the president had the same conversation with him repeatedly. mcgahn says trump, quote, certainly seemed to ask a number
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of people about it. but none of those who were closest to him, right? that's who he was, that's who they were. they lie, they deny, and they defy. and there's proof. what does it mean? let's bring in norm eisen. good to have you, sir. >> great to be back, chris. >> what does it mean and why doesn't it mean nothing except a little bit of a, i told you so, and for the record appraisal of what was true and what was not politically? why does it mean anything? >> the new revelations that the house judiciary committee finally got out of don mcgahn in the transcript that was released today demonstrate that the president's repeated denials that he wanted to fire mueller, have mueller fired, were false.
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it was a lot of new information that not only did the president very likely obstruct justice, mcgahn felt that he was on the verge, if he had complied with the requests from the president, he could have been prosecuted by mueller, he was so desperate that he went out, and felt he had to leak it to the press. he used words like crazy and out of control. here's why it matters. we've seen over and over again, the department of justice under joe biden is going to be fiercely independent. i think with this public transcript out there, they must look again at the presidential obstruction of justice. in a country where no person is above the law, we have more proof that the president broke it. so i think it's going to require another hard look by doj. >> what would you like to bet that there is absolutely no
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action taken by the doj to open any kind of investigation against the former president, or any of his people on this issue? >> i understand your skepticism. it's a polite word for it. i will bet you that the president is going to face charges somewhere. you're right, it's a steep hill. his greater exposure is in new york state and georgia. but chris, i know the department of justice. and i don't believe that they're going to be able to turn away from this transcript, it's public now. that's why it was so important to do it. they have got to ask themselves, are we really going to let the president get away with this? i recognize that it's an uphill battle. but it's important for doj to struggle with that question. >> norm, you are the better mind and i take your counsel.
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thank you. >> thanks, chris. what do we want? we want better. that's why we care about our kids so much. and we're praying desperately that we see better in them than what's going on around us all now. i have somebody who seems to give us hope. she seems to be the definition of an ameri-can. harvard bound, but it's her heart more than her head. it was put into her by her family and her life. she may be a student, but she just taught us something we need to learn. i have a great young person for you, and a very proud mama, next. at family barbecues. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear, when you experience the exclusive miracle-ear advantage. including innovative technology, like the new miracle-earmini.
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can make it. and to every dreamer, you can make it. and to every child in america, you can make it. [ applause ] >> can't make me cry. too much makeup. verda, harvard bound. scholarship. wasn't born here, came here with her family, worked her butt off, they pulled together, and she's living the dream. that's not why i have her on. after the speech, hshe's awarde the school's highest honor, the general excellence award. 40 grand. amazing right? not why i have her on the show. she goes up to the podium, sits down, gets back up, and guess what she did. let's show verda and rosemary.
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congratulations to you both. overcoming what you did is not easy. and you've done great things for your family. verda, now we wait to see what you do with these amazing opportunities. you sit back down, 40 grand in your pocket. your family works and works. your mother worked two jobs, went to community college at night. what goes through your head and heart when you sit down? >> i was sitting down, and so many things were going through my head. one of them was my mother's journey. we came here, she decided to go to college at the age of 39 and get an education to better her life and the life of her children. she worked really hard, the two jobs, raising her kids, studying, paying her bills and her tuition.
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it was a difficult injourney. we learned a lot and grew stronger because of it. but we also knew it was a very difficult journey. sitting down, surrounded by my peers and community, i knew god had given me a chance to give back to my community. he had blessed me so much. and this is my chance to be a blessing. and that's exactly what i wanted to do. >> so what did you do? >> i -- oh, yes. >> you harvard people. so what did you do? >> yeah, i got back up, went on the stage, politely interrupted my graduation. and, you know, i asked that this scholarship for $40,000 be donated to another student who would need it more than i do. a student with an unmet financial need and would need
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the money. >> rosemary, what does that mean to you? >> it means the world to me. i found a mature woman, oh, my goodness, my baby is ready to face the world. she's ready. i stood up and shouted and clapped. i was so thrilled. >> i am thrilled for you both. i can't wait to see, i know you were voted most likely to be president. if they change the law that you don't have to be born in the united states to be president, then you can run. but hopefully you find something better to do with your life. you've already made a mark that will never be erased. what you did in giving back that money is the best of us. god bless you, good luck. and rosemary, congratulations to the whole family. be well, take care. we'll be right back. >> thank you, chris. ♪ ♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ ♪ you wanna be where you can see(ah-ah) ♪
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