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we hope this sends a message to others sending those threats out there that those words have consequences. thank you for joining us. don't forget, watch "out front" on cnn go. "ac 360" starts now. two big stories breaking tonight. the question of kids and covid vaccines. namely, whether to grant emergency use authorization for children under 12. that's what an fda panel is discussing. today, the talk was contentious. one panel member is counseling caution. he joins us tonight along with our own dr. sanjay gupta. the other story is a deal on infrastructure and what to make of it. $578 billion in new money over spending and no tax hike to pay for it. it's the product of a bipartisan group of senate negotiators.
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because of how fragile bipartisan anything can be in washington, there's reason to be skeptical about what happens next. joining us now, cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. i understand you have details on the senators involved. what kind of compromise they reached and how big it is. >> we don't have the actual paper, so to speak, of the details of this bill -- of this deal. the fact that we do have that statement, john, from five democrats and five republicans saying full stop they have a deal -- i know the bar is low in washington, but that is a big deal. why that is a big deal is, because we don't see and hear a lot of bipartisanship these days. but also because what i was told early on that the senators were modelling the process and the
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strategy on was what the covid process was, the covid relief package at the end of 2020, when that -- the republican leadership if particular in the senate didn't want it. they forced mitch mcconnell's hand and said, we have enough senators on both sides of the aisle. it's very noteworthy. i'm told the senators are on a text chain. they have been communicating. the democrat who has been taking the lead on this in that group is not joe manchin, who has gotten most of the attention, but sinema, who is under fire from progressives as a roadblock to their agenda. she has been working along with the others in this group, the four other democrats, really hard to not be a roadblock, to come up with a compromise.
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there's skepticism. we have to wait and see what the democratic leadership, what the republican leadership say. five and five in this environment on this issue is a pretty big deal. >> it is. you need ten republicans in this case, correct? >> mm-hmm. yep. you need ten. that is really one of the key questions is whether or not they can get ten more. i mean, five more. they can get up to ten. i was told there are a lot of active discussions, particularly among the republicans and even with some of their like-minded democratic friends, that they could get there. it's not done yet. a lot of people are saying, hold on, we're not going to sign anything until they see the details, until they see pen to paper, never mind what we see in the public. that is a possibility. a big question is going to be, never mind the republicans, what
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the president of the united states says. >> on that point -- >> we know there's a new statement -- >> i have that statement.things. i'm paraphrasing. it appreciates the work of the senators. number two, it says it has questions. questions need to be addressed about the policy and the pay force. in other words, everything. they have a lot of questions about what's in the details. ed third e third thing, we want talk to other members as well. the white house wants to reach out to other democrats and take their temperature here. what do you make of that? >> it's not no which is something. what i also make of it is that if you look at the environment that president biden is in right now, he needs a w on the board. although he very much cares about the specifics, cares about the content, cares about the policy, if there is a deal to be made here that he would almost
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certainly call a down payment while the democratic budget chair, bernie sanders, his new good friend and partner works on the other things like, for example, let's get specific here, more help for childcare, more help for elderly care, some of the things that republicans say is a non-starter. the other thing i want to say is the caution that i am told to have on this in terms of the details is the so-called pay force. republicans and democrats who are working on this say that this deal has no new tax increases. the question is, how are they going to pay for it? >> gotta find out the details. we need the number. we need more information. they have a deal, big news tonight. thanks so much for your reporting. we will let you get back to work.
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more on where democrats stand on the key question of how not to do what democrats often do so well, namely, tie things into knots. joining us, james carville. you have one group of democrats, these five, says we have a bipartisan deal. you have another group of democrats saying they are fed up with trying to reach compromise with republicans. how do you square that circle? >> well, first of all, you are talking about the pay force. you could raise somewhere between three-quarters of a trillion dollars and a trillion and a half. we could pay for a lot with enforcement. every democrat can rally around that idea. the truth of the matter is, we don't have the votes. you have to get to 60 votes. people get frustrated about that. there's nothing that can be done about it. these people are trying to work to cobble something together.
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it's not exactly what i would want. but it's a start. you can't finish a journey until you start a journey. i would also make the other point, most important thing in my mind is 2022. we can win the senate. we can pick up three, four senate seats if you look at the map. if we hold the house, we can do things that a lot of democrats want to get done. we can't do it with a 50/50 senate and a four-vote margin in the house. you can't do it. these people can't count. >> to that point, alexandria ocasio-cortez, she said she's sick of playing patty cake with republicans. other senators say the same thing. when you hear that, what goes through your mind? >> what goes through my mind is a lot of the people that are critic criticizing, there's no chance they will lose to a republican. that's not the case with sinema, that's not the case with
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manchin, that's not the case with a lot of people. if we want to expand our margins, we have to do it somewhere else other than the bronx. we will win that. the political people have to live in real life. we had two encouraging elections. new mexico, we are supposed to be doing well. we ran ahead of biden. we had a tough can't didate tha talked about drcrime. we got a lot of good democrats elected in virginia and won some primaries. the news is encouraging. if we go off the deep end, the same is going to happen to us that happened in 2020. no one is playing patty cakes here. we didn't pick up near as many senate seats as we hoped to and we lost house seats. >> are you suggesting that alexandria ocasio-cortez, that they are out of touch?
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>> i don't know if they are out of touch. they need to do the math. we don't have that many votes. we can't -- we're not playing patty cake. we have a 50/50. it's very difficult. there's a filibuster. i'm a political guy. i can count. if you want to change that, there's a way that you can do it. that is do what you can, build up the president's approval rating, pick up three more senate seats, pick up six or seven house seats. then a lot of the things that you are talking about, you are going to be able to do. having a discussion when we have the majority. i don't see it happening. i'm sure they are nice people and well meaning and very good progressive people and everything. somebody has to get a calculator. we just don't have the votes. >> how much do you trust republicans? >> we have to navigate the best
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we can. >> how much do you trust republicans to be -- to be truthful negotiators? >> i don't trust them very much, to be honest with you. if we look like we're trying and they look like they're lying, then we are going to do good in 2022. what the public wants is to try something. if we try it and we look like the people that were trying hard to do something and not the people that pulled out and were being unreasonable, that's going to cause us to pick up senate and house seats. then we can do things that people are talking about. we can't do it under the current alignment that we have in the congress of the united states. that's just a fact. i wish people would realize this and give the president some operating space here. he has some good things on the table. he has done some good things. i think he will be in a position to do more. it might not be as fast. >> you did an interview recently
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we are paying zero taxes. we don't have the lowest enforcement in the irs. that's something that establishment democrats and progressive democrats and justice democrats and red state democrats can agree on is tax enforcement. there are many things we can do. >> james carville, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. you bet. still to come, a live report from the united kingdom where
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two major developments on the presidential level right now. especially important as they occur while president biden is on a major overseas trip. this new statement from the former president that is equal parts insane and disturbing and pertains to one of the leader's president biden is scheduled to meet. we start on a major announcement made by biden, the purchase of 500 million doses of the pfizer vaccine for global use. this is part of an effort to reassert u.s. leadership. it came during the first leg of president biden's trip, re-establishing a relationship with united kingdom and meeting with boris johnson. joining us now are carissa ward
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w who is following events there. candidate biden once calls boris a fictiphysical and emotional c of donald trump. >> reporter: what a difference a couple of years make. both leaders singing a different tune. it was jock orelaxed, a united . boris johnson taking pains to appear deferential to president biden, when president biden made a joke about how both men married up, so to speak, he said, i would not disagree. indeed, i would not disagree with you on anything. i think what we are seeing from the prime minister is a desire to pivot away the focus from differences that have existed between the two leaders, particularly on the issue of
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brexit, but also northern ireland, which has been getting a lot of attention, and to focus on the special relationship. both of them announcing this new atlantic charter. boris johnson trying to cast himself in the role of winston churchill and the two countries, u.s. and uk, reshaping the world in a post-covid world. what that will look like. all of the challenges facing these two countries in this new era. keen to undercorscore cooperati and downplay difference. >> i want to bring in fareed zakaria for the other development we mentioned. farid, the former president, donald trump put out this statement. this is a week before joe biden meets with vladimir putin. donald trump puts out a statement talking about the great and productive meeting he had with putin in helsinki. everyone remembers where donald trump said he had no reason to
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doubt russia's claims that they didn't attack the u.s. election. the statement that trump put out says, as to who do i trust, russia or our intelligen the obama area, the answer after all that has been found out and written should be obvious. good luck to biden in dealing with putin. don't fall asleep during the meeting. give him my warmest regards. trump just reaffirmed what he said in helsinki. he puts more faith in russia and this u.s. intelligence. what do you make of that? >> what i make of it more than anything else is that donald trump is pathologically in need of attention. this is a man who is obviously depressed and desperate to be out of the media limelight,
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trying to find a way in. he figures thi. he is saying pretty much whatever he can to get attention. it's a sad reminder of the kind of circus that was the donald trump presidency. he said crazier things when he was president of the united states. as for the substance of what he is saying, you are right. what he is saying by implication is that he trusts the kgb more than he trusts america's intelligence services. it's breathtaking. one doesn't know what to say. i don't know which is worse, if he is simply saying this to get attention or if he actually believes that the kgb's intelligence -- self-serving intelligence, one of the longest serving dictatorships in the world is better than the oldest constitutional democracy of the world. if that's what he believes, it only reinforces to me why donald
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trump was never fit to be president of the united states. >> do you think vladimir putin makes of this? >> putin is very smart. putin is very shrewd. he understands america very well. i had the opportunity to meet with him a bunch of times. he is not swayed by this kind of circus. he is looking -- he is very well briefed. he understands the issues. he knows he is going to have a tough meeting with biden. my suspicion is he will brush all the trump nonsense aside and try to figure out, is there a way to have a more stable and predictable relationship with the united states? he is going to push hard to assert his interests. biden is going to try to push hard back. i will suspect that -- donald trump at this moment is really irrelevant. he has to deal with joe biden. >> president biden has a lot of
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work to do before he gets to the meeting with vladimir putin. he goes to the g7. he is trying to tell u.s. allies that america is back. these relationships need to be mended. how big of a lift does he have heading into the g7 with other european leaders? >> reporter: the very fact that we are talking about this statement from former president trump just underscores how much damage was done by president trump. that was felt particularly keenly here in europe. now a lot of european leaders are still concerned. president biden is saying the right things. he is making the right gestures. is america reliable in the long haul? is it simply too capricious with this political system where everything can change on a dime and you can have a complete paradigm shift in the space of four years? you are going to see a need to feel that leadership coming from the u.s., not just in terms of rhetoric, but also in terms of
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substance. there's a broader question of, with a does the g7 mean today? when it started in the 1970s, these countries constituted 80% of the world's gdp. now 40% of the world's gdp. they are tackling enormous issues like coronavirus and vaccines without the support of major super powers like china, like india, like a lesser extent russia. this is a pivotal moment for the g7 to show that it is still relevant, that these countries can come together, that they can build consensus and really stand up as a bulwark against author authoritarianism. >> this is an important trip. we are lucky to talk to you. thank you so much. next, the question of vaccinating young children against covid at the fda advisor who surging caution for now.
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m meeting. he joins us now. thanks for being with us. why don't you think an emergency use authorization can be justified for children under 12 years old now? what are you most concerned about? >> first, thank you for the invitation tonight. i appreciate the opportunity. first of all, we have to remember that these vaccines are absolutely extraordinary. these vaccines are leading us out of the pandemic. we are seeing declining rates of disease that are so dramatic. it's a combination of naturally acquired immunity from an infection and immunity induced by the vaccine. together, we probably have close to 75% of the united states population immune to covid-19. that's why we're seeing the dramatic decreases in disease.
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lower cases of illness than we have seen in the past 12 months. that's wonderful. it's directly attributable to the vaccines. these vaccines are equivalent to our accomplishments in space. landing on the moon, to placing a robot on mars. absolutely astonishing, and we are so fortunate to have access to these vaccines. the issue is, the disease in children under 18 years of age is also falling very dramatically. the most recent information from the cdc on the so-called covid net that everyone can look at shows that the hospitalization rate for individuals under 18 years of age is four
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hospitalizations per million people. a very, very small number. it's very different than the situation we had with adults several months ago, earlier this year. there we had 4,000 or more deaths a year -- a day due to covid-19. we are not seeing that -- >> so we have -- fewer people are getting sick. why don't you think it should be authorized for children right now? >> whenever we administer a vaccine or an immunization, there are two thoughts. number one, is it going to benefit that individual? is the benefit going to exceed vaccine? because the rates of disease in children under adolescents
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is so low, four hospitalizations per million, then we want to be sure that any side effects -- [ no audio ] complications from the disease itself. we don't know that yet. i think that's going to be the case. i'm not opposing the studies. we need to do the clinical trials. i'm a little uncomfortable about rolling out these vaccines to millions of children and adolescents, because there are so many unknown factors. one of which is this issue called myocarditis that does seem to be related to the vaccine. >> okay. hang on one second. i want to bring in cnn's chief
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medical correspondent, sanjay gupta. based on what you know, where do you stand on the issue? >> you know, i want to be very careful here. i think the doctor would agree we don't want to be empowering increased vaccine hesitancy here, which is always a potential consequence. no question that for an authorization, emergency authorization, the ratio of benefits outweighing the risks have to be proven for all the reasons that the doctor is saying. that may involve more involved safety studies. whe when they did 12 to 15 authorization, they did more bridging trials. they bridged a lot of the data from older people to that age group. with younger people, you have to do the safety trials and more complete data needs to be accrued to prove that. one of the things i think is
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important to remember is that we look at hospitalizations, deaths. i think one thing we have learned is that you don't want this virus. you don't want to get infected, because we don't know of the longer-term consequences, even in people with milder illness. when you look at 12 to 15-year-olds for whom the vaccine has been authorized, a quarter have received at least one shot, what is your message to those parents? we have kids who have gotten vaccinated. what do you say to us? >> i think approximately 23% of the children in that age group have received one dose. it's a smaller number that have received a second dose. remember, the myocarditis issue arises primarily in males. it's primarily in adolescents
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and young adults. it occurs pretty specifically at two, three or four days after administration of the second dose. it's more common after the mrna vaccine. all those very specific factors i think need to be considered whenever one is thinking about vaccinating a young child or adolescent. the hospitalization is four per million. i would like to be sure that the side effects, specifically the myocarditis, is less frequent than four cases per million. as you know, the data from israel, for example, where they are a little ahead of us in
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terms of uptake of the vaccine, they have seen rates relatively similar to ours as has the department of defense in their immunization program. all i'm saying is that, yes, we need vaccines for children. but we want to be very cautious that the benefit exceeds the risk. >> to be clear, the frequency of myocarditis, i think out of 2.5 million vaccine doses that have been administered, about 80 cases. we are talking about something exceedingly rare here. just for the audience -- a lot of people are paying attention who are considering these vaccines right now for people in that age range. this is the data they have. this is the information they have. i get that we need to be careful. what are you telling parents about this vaccine for that age kids? >> dr. gupta, it's a very
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difficult question. the point is, it's not the rate of myocarditis for everyone. the point is, it's the rate of myocarditis in a high risk group. it's very similar to the vaccine induced thrombosis syndrome that was seen in younger women. it didn't happen in older women or men. if you take the rate for everyone, it's pretty low. but if you look at the rate in people who are in the increased risk group, then it gets to be a little bit more worrisome. that's the issue here. again, we need a vaccine for adolescents and children. i think we also want to be sure that the benefit exceeds the risk. >> thank you for being with us. sanjay, thanks to you as well. new reporting in on how far and how far beyond the norm the
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the headline reads, hunting leaks, trump officials focused on democrats in congress. the justice department seized records from house company members, their aides and family members. they sought data, one was a minor. the target, sources behind news m media reports. adam, this is a remarkable piece of reporting. i did a double take when i saw this. which lawmakers did you learn that the justice department was investigating? >> we learned that they were investigating adam schiff of california, a democrat, who was an enemy of trump, who trump consistently went after when he was president. i'm not going to name anybody else. we also were floored when we
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learned about this. it's a really extraordinary display of prosecutorial discretion. >> is there any precedent for this that you are aware of, of the government investigating the chair of the intelligence committee? >> his apple account? i'm not aware of that. we are aware of public corruption investigations in which the fbi and justice target members of congress for corruption. not something related -- not something like this. if you look at what they did and the number of people they subpoenaed, this is a fishing expe expedition. they got nowhere, like many other leaks we read about as part of the story. >> i read a statement from adam schiff. he is calling for an ig investigation into the investigation. what questions need to be answered? >> i think there are a number of
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questions that need to be answered. for starters, who was approving these subpoenas? basically, many of them came at the end of trump's administration. the ones involving schiff came earlier. i was subpoenaed by the justice department. they tried to seize my email. a lot of the actions took place at the end of the administration. why are they doing this years after the investigations were open? why not wait until the next administration to weigh in? the rollback has been fierce. you can imagine that this administration would have liked to have known. >> to what extent were the authorities looking into lawmakers' family and children,
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what for? >> you know, we can only gather or suspect that they think that maybe some of the people were using their family member's email account, which is quite extraordinary. this is -- they cast a wide net here. it's really something. i guess other lawmakers have to be worried about what else is this justice department going to do? >> when you say this justice department, are we talking about the trump justice department or carrying over to the biden justice department? >> i think the justice department and fbi have extraordinary authorities and powers. we have seen this time and time again with them. my records were subpoenaed under the obama administration. they were subpoenaed under the
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trump administration. i would be asking, what are the guardrails to ensure guidelines -- the attorney general guidelines in particular are followed? once again, prosecutors have discretion. they are supposed to use it. >> it's an extraordinary report. i appreciate you joining us on short notice tonight. thank you very much. >> all right. thank you. we will keep the focus on democrats in congress. some try to wrangle their membership over stalled legislation. house democrats face their own struggle. new comments from congresswoman omar about israel and the u.s. and the response from leadership have once again exposed the divide in the party. >> reporter: following outrage from members in her own party, today congresswoman omar is attempting to clarify. saying she was in no way equating terrorist organizations
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with democratic countries with well established judicial systems. at issue, this controversial tweet omar posted monday, appearing to liken american and israeli atrocities with those of hamas and the taliban. we must have the same level of accountability and justice for all victims of crimes against humanity. we have seen unthinkable atrocities committed by the u.s., hamas, israel, afghanistan and the taliban. a number of jewish house democrats immediately slammed the congresswoman, calling it offensive and misguided and saying she needs to clarify her words. omar quickly fired back saying it is shameful for her colleagues to put out a statement and not just call her directly. quote, the islamaphobic tropes is terrible. >> it's unacceptable.
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>> reporter: pelosi and house democratic leaders releasing a statement welcoming the clarification by omar adding, drawing false equivalencies between democracies like the u.s. and israel and groups that engage in terrorism like hamas and the taliban foment prejudice. the benefit of the doubt doesn't exist for muslim women in congress congresswoman talib tweeted. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez saying she's sick and tired of the constant vilification, mischaracterization and public targeting of omar coming from our caucus. omar says she's facing multiple death threats. >> muslims are terrorists. >> reporter: tweeted out one. >> every anti-american,
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communist piece of [ bleep ] that works for her, you hope you b [ bleep ] get what's coming to you. >> reporter: it's one of several controversial comments she made. >> i want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> in 2019, omar was forced to apologize after democrats accused her of anti-semitism for using the anti-semitic trope, suggesting that congressional support for israel was all about the benjamins, baby. >> i'm joined by our chief political correspondent, dana bash. once again, dana, you have new reporting, this time about discussions behind speaker pelosi's response to congresswoman omar. what have you learned?
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>> well, the group of jewish democrats who put out that statement, they were already in a meeting, just happened to have a meeting the day after congresswoman omar said what she said at the hearing and then put it out in a tweet wanting people to see it. i'm told a few things. number one, there were members who want the language to be even stronger and condemning congresswoman omar, but that they decided to pull back a little bit. and secondly, the notion that sunlen put in her piece that there was no outreach to her is not true. i'm told by a source familiar that there was a back and forth before these jewish democrats put out the statement and there was no resolution to that. there's a lot of concern, as you heard from sunlen's piece, certainly among omar and her muslim colleagues and other colleagues who are rallying
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progressives to support her, there's also a lot of annoyance on the other side because she continues to fan the flames. just recently she tweeted out, where were these progressives in coming to the defense of muslims where mo brooks said something. that did happen. so bottom line is, this is far from over. this is deep. this is raw. and talking to democrats tonight, incredibly, incredibly unfortunate. >> dana bash, once again, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. up next, new developments in the fatal police shooting of andrew brown jr. what a state autopsy confirms about the case and what actions the family intends to take when 360 continues.
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and are questioning his objectivity after he decided not to charge any of the deputies. also, more than a month later, most of the body camera video still hasn't been released to the public. tonig tonight, the family plans to file a civil rights lawsuit as they try to seek more answers. joining us now is benjamin crump. thank you so much for joining us tonight. what's your reaction to this official autopsy report? >> it was very insulting that they released the autopsy to the media and the family found out from the media that the autopsy was made public. but this follows entire line of disrespect and cover-up since this tragic shooting happened where yet again, another black
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man was shot from the behind fleeing the police. i don't know what it is, john, in america, that the most dangerous thing for white police officers is a black man running away from them, not putting them in any harm's way. >> you called the death of andrew brown, quote, an execution. the district attorney says the deputies involved were justified in their action. but the public hasn't seen the body camera footage. have you been given any additional evidence in this case? >> we have not, john. and that begs the question, if he's not going to prosecute these officers, why haven't they released all of the investigations, all of the videos? what are they trying to hide. we already know what happened, the autopsy released today by the state medical examiner confirms what we already knew,
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it was a kill shot to the back of the head and it completely discredits the district attorney as he continues to try to mislead us as to what really happened in this tragic killing of andrew brown jr. >> how does it discredit the district attorney? >> he tries to claim that the officers' had to shoot because they were in fear of their life. you clearly see that when they shot andrew brown, his car was going away from them. nobody was in harm's way. and it just follows the line of all these black men who they try to claim were a threat to their th life when they were going away, whether that's anthony mcclain, whether that's joshua running away in houston, texas, whether
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it's terrace running away in tulsa, oklahoma, the list goes on and on. when black people are fleeing from the police, they feel they can shoot and kill them, which goes against every part of the law that we know. but more importantly, it's one of the most cowardly things you could ever do. we learn that when you're young, to shoot a man in the back, why is that acceptable for police to shoot black people in the back? joey jackson said correctly that we must stop letting local district attorneys be in charge of investigations over police officers that they work with every day. >> let me ask you, you're making plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of the family, what's the nature of this lawsuit and who will it be filed against? >> it will be filed against the two counties that are involved in the execution of this search
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warrant. remember, this was a search warrant, john. this wasn't an arrest warrant. they killed him executing a search warrant. it would be filed against the offices for engaging in excessive use of force that violated the civil rights of andrew brown jr., his most basic, fundamental rights, and that's the right to life. >> would that be an avenue, would that federal case be an avenue to win the release, maybe, of the body camera footage? >> exactly. once we get into the litigation, we can get it through discovery, and they will no longer be able to come up with excuses, we believe, to deny the family the transparency that they seek, but more importantly, to let the public know what happened so they can try to build this mistrust that has been created by this district attorney in elizabeth city, north carolina, by trying to hide the truth of
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andrew brown being executed. i don't know what you call it, john, when a person is shot in the back of the head going away from you. >> benjamin crump, i appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> a lot of news tonight. it continues. let's hand it over to chris. >> appreciate it, john. welcome to "prime time," we have breaking news on our watch. claims of deep state intrusion, they were more true than we knew. trump was making those claims, but he was also the one doing what he was complaining about. the new york times nails the trump administration for going to extremes to track down leaks early in his term. exacts between trump associate
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