tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 10, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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emergency-use authorization for children under 12 just yet. that's what an fda panel is discussing, and today, the talk was contentious. at least 314 children have died of covid but one panel member is counseling caution. he joins us tonight, shortly, along with our own dr. sanjay gupta. the other, breaking story, is a deal on infrastructure and just what to make of it. in a nutshell, $578 billion in new money over present spending and no tax hikes to pay for it. it is the product of a bipartisan group of senate negotiators. how fragile bipartisan anything can be in washington, there is reason to be skeptical about what happens next. so joining us now, cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash. host of cnn's state of the union. dana, you have been working the phones, and i understand you have some brand-new details on the group of senators involved. what kind of compromise they reached and how big it is. >> well, you know, we -- we don't have the actual paper, so
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to speak, of the details of this bill. of this deal. but the fact that we do have that statement, john, from five democrats and five republicans. saying, full stop, they have a deal. i know, the bar is pretty low, these days, here in washington. but that is a big deal. and why that is a big deal is following. first of all, because we don't see and hear a lot of bipartisanship, you know, these days. but also, because what i was told, early on, that these senators were modeling the process and the strategy on was what the covid process was. the covid-relief package, at the end of 2020. one, that the republican leadership, in particular, in the senate, didn't want. well, they forced mitch mcconnell's hand, and said, you know what? we have enough -- enough senators, on both sides of the aisle. you need to do this. the goal is similar. different dynamics. obviously, a different guy in the white house.
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but it is very, very noteworthy. also, john, i am told that these ten senators are on a text chain. they have been, constantly, communicating. and the democrat, who has been taking the lead on this, in that group, is not joe manchin. who has gotten most of the attention but kyrsten sinema, who is also under fire from a lot of progressives, as a roadblock to their agenda. well, she has been working, along with the others in this group, the four-other democrats, really, really hard. to -- to not be a roadblock. to come up with a compromise. so certainly, there's sen skepticism. we have to wait and see what the democratic leadership says, what the republican leadership says. but five and five, in this environment, on this issue, is a pretty big deal. >> it is. although, you need ten. republicans, in this case, correct? >> uh-huh. yep. you need ten. now, that is, really, one of the key questions.
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is whether or not you -- they can get ten more -- i mean, five more. whether they can get up to ten. i was told that there are a lot of active discussions. particularly, among the republicans and even with some of their like-minded, democratic friends. that they could get there. it's not done, yet. we -- and a lot of people are saying hold on, we are not going to sign on to anything until they see the details. until they see pen to paper. never mind, what we see in the public. and so, but that is definitely a possibility. and a big question is going to be, never mind the republicans, what the president of the united states says. >> on that point -- >> and we know that there is a new statement. please. >> yeah, i have that statement here and it says three things. number one, it says it appreciates the work of the senators. number two, it says it has questions. questions need to be addressed about the policy and the pay fors, in other words, everything. they have a lot of questions about what is in the details and the third thing it says is we
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want to talk to other members, as well. so the idea that, i think, the white house is going to want to reach out to other democrats. and take their temperature here. what do you make of that? >> exactly. exactly. well, what i make of it is it's -- it's not no, which is something. and what i, also, make of it is that just, if you kind of look at the environment that president biden is in right now. he needs a w on the board. and although, he, very much, cares about the specifics. cares about the content. cares about the policy. you know, if there is a deal to be made here, and that he would, almost certainly, call a down payment. while the democratic-budget chair, bernie sanders, his new -- his new, good friend and partner. works on the other things like, for example, let's get specific here. more help for childcare. more help for elderly care. some of the things that republicans say is a nonstarter. that could happen. the other thing that i want to say here is the caution that i
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am told to have on this, in terms of the details, is the so-called pay fors. republicans and democrats, who are working on this, say that this deal has no-new tax increases. and the question is, so, how are they going to pay for it? and that, i think, is what the white house statement alluded to, whether or not that's going to fly. >> we just don't know. we got to find out these details. we know the top-line number. we need to find out much more information but they have a deal. that, in and of itself, big news tonight. dana bash, thanks so much for yourt your reporting. more now on where democrats stand on the key question of how best to not do whether a democrats do so well, namely, tangle themselves up in all kinds of knots. co-host of the politics war room podcast, james carvil. thanks so much for being with us. you have one group of democrats. these five saying we have a bipartisan deal. you have another group of democrats saying they are fed up with trying to reach compromise with republicans. how do you square that circle?
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>> well, first of all, you are talking about the pay fors. former secretary of treasury said by irs enforcement, you could raise somewhere three-quarters of a trillion dollars and a trillion and a half dollars so we could pay for a lot with just -- just enforcement. i think every democrat can rally around that idea. and the truth of the matter is we don't have the votes. we got to get -- you got to get to 60 votes. i mean, if people get frustrated about that, there's nothing that can be done about it. and these people are trying to work to cobble something together. and i mean, you know, it's not -- not exactly what i would want. but it's a start. and, you know, you can't finish a journey, until you start a journey. and i would, also, make the other point. the most important thing, in my mind, is 2022. we can -- we can win the senate. we can pick up three or four senate seats if you look at the map and we hold the house. we can do all the kind of thing that -- that a lot of democrats want to get done. but we can't do it with a 50-50 senate and a four-vote margin in the house. it just -- you just can't do it.
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these people just can't count. >> to that point, you know, alexandria ocasio-cortez, in the house, and she's not alone. but she said she is sick of basically playing patty cake with republicans. and there are other republican senators -- democratic senators, say, who are complaining about the same thing. so when you hear that, we don't want to play patty cake with the republicans, what goes through your mind? >> what goes through my mind is a lot of these people that are criticizing live in plus 40 districts. there is no chance they are going to lose to a republican. well, that's not the case with kyrsten sinema. that's not the case with joe manchin. that's not the case with a lot of people. and if we want to expand our margins, we got to do it somewhere -- somewhere else other than the box. we are going to win that. and you know, these political people living in real life. and look, we had two very encouraging elections. if you look in new mexico where, you know, we ran ahead of biden. we had a tough candidate that talked about crime and how she would deal with it. in virginia, we had a
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remarkably-high turnout in our primaries. and we got a lot of really good democrats elected. and won some of these primaries. so, i think, that the news is encouraging. but if -- if we go off the -- off the deep end, then the same thing going to happen to us, that happened to us in 2020. >> you are talking about the -- >> no one's playing patty cakes here. talking about we didn't pick up near as many senate seats as we hoped to and we lost house seats. >> are you suggesting that alexandria ocasio-cortez, and not just her, but these other democrats are starting to get antsy? that they are out of touch? >> i don't know if they're out of touch. but they need to sit down and do the math. we don't have that many votes. we -- we can't -- we're not playing patty cake. we have a 50-50 senate. and it's very difficult when there is a filibuster. 60 votes. we have a four-vote margin in the house. i'm a political guy. all right? but i can count. and if you want to change that, there is a way that you can do it. and, that is, do what you can,
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build up the president's approval rating. pick up three-more senate seats. pick up six or seven more house seats. and then, a lot of those things that you are talking about, you're going to be able to do. but we are having a discussion when we have the thinnest of all majorities. and i just don't see it happen. and i -- i mean, i'm sure that they are, all, nice people and well meaning and -- and -- and very good, progressive people and everything. but somebody's got to get a calculator because we just don't have the mvotes to do this kind of stuff. >> how much do you trust republicans, though? how much do you trust -- how much do you trust republicans, though, to be -- negotiate -- to be reasonable, truthful negotiators? >> if -- i don't -- i don't trust 'em very much, to be honest with you. but if we look like they are trying, and they look like they're lying, then we're going to do good in 2022. and what the public wants is at least to try something. all right? and then, if -- if we try it and we look like the people that were trying hard to do something, and not the people
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that pulled out and were being unreasonable, that is going to inure to our political benefit. which will cause us to pick up senate seats and house seats and then we can do a lot of those things people are talking about. we can't do it under the current alignment we have in the congress of the united states and that's just a fact. and i -- i just wish people would realize this. and -- and give the president some operating space here. he's got some good things on the table. he's done some good things. that i think he is going to be in position to do more. it might not be as fast and as much as some people wanted but some stuff's going to get done. >> you -- you did an interview with vox recently which got a lot of attention and you said, quote, wokeness is a problem, and everyone knows it. end quote. and you say, most of the democrats you talk to agree with you but they are afraid to say it. so, what, exactly, do you mean? because, you know, the pushback from -- from a lot of progressives. they're like, james carville's out of step with the times. >> well, first of all, somebody's out of step with the times because our vote, our
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nonwhite vote went down, right? so if we are supposed to -- and the reason it did is we used jargon -- faculty lounge jargon terms. as i pointed out, latinx, 3% of -- of -- of the hispanic people, latino people, the united states, return to themselves as latinx. i don't know anybody that lives in a community of color, i know people that live in neighborhoods. and if you want to accomplish things, you have to talk the language of the people. and i have woke people texting me and saying, you know, james, honestly, i agree with you. just don't use my name. and it's just this obsession with dictionaries and language that is not conducive to getting across the points that you want to. if you want to convince people, you have to talk to people, in the language that they speak. and we were getting away from that and we had all this too-cool-for-school stuff. and it hurt us. we came within 42,000 votes of losing the presidency, to what i call, a historical buffoon.
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and i talk -- and i am not just talking about this modern-establishment democrat. i have no idea what an establishment democrat is. you know, i am sitting here in mississippi with an -- shoe shirt on. does that make me an establishment democrat? but you have to talk the language of the people. and when you do that, you are going to do better because we were talking to our own people. we got to understand that. we didn't do very well. and, you know, if -- if some people on the -- the -- the left want to act like we have a 70-vote senate, they can act like that but we don't. and somebody has got to step in and say, this is reality. this is the world that we're living in. and they're so busy, you know, attacking senator manchin. where we find out that -- that, you know, trillionaires or whatever they are are paying zero taxes. we find out we don't even have the -- the enforcement we have in the irs. that's something that establishment democrats and progressive democrats and
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justice democrats and -- and red-state democrats can agree on. it is tax enforcement. so, there are many things that we can do, together, other than using jargon language talking about things that going to be impossible under the current-political situation. >> james carville. thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. >> well, thank you, sir. you bet. still to come tonight. a live report from the united kingdom, where president biden made a major announcement involving the coronavirus meant to reassert u.s. leadership during his first trip abroad as president. and it comes, just as the former president released this bizarre, unhinged statement involving the trip. we will have details on both, next. and later, with covid vaccine approval for young children possibly coming later-this year, i will speak with an fda adviser who cautions against it.
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we will get to in a moment is this new statement. president biden is scheduled to meet. we start, however, on a major announcement made by biden, the purchase of 500 million doses of the pfizer vaccine for global use. this is part of an effort to reassert u.s. leadership, and counter similar efforts by china and russia. the announcement came during the first leg of president biden's trip reestablishing the special relationship with the united kingdom. and meeting with british prime minister boris johnson. joining us, now, our chief international correspondent, clarissa ward, who is following events there and, you know, clarissa, boris johnson called this meeting with president biden quote a breath of fresh air despite the fact that then-candidate biden once called johnson a quote, a physical and emotional clone of donald trump. so how did things go today? >> yeah. what a difference, a couple of years makes, john. both leaders, singing a very different tune. the ambiance between them was
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sort of jockular. boris johnson really taking pains, at times, to appear deferential to president biden when president biden made a joke about how both men had married up, so to speak. he said, yes, of course, i would not disagree with you there. and indeed, i would not disagree with you on anything. so, i think, what we're seeing from the prime minister is a real desire to, kind of, pivot away the focus from differences that, obviously, have existed between the two leaders. particularly, on the issue of brexit. but also, on the issue of northern ireland which has been getting quite a lot of attention. and instead, to focus on the special relationship. both of them, announcing this new, atlantic charter. and really, boris johnson trying to cast himself in the role of winston churchill and the two countries, the u.s. and the uk, reshaping the world. in a -- in a, sort of, post-covid world. and what that will look like, and all of the challenges facing
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these two countries, in this new era. so definitely, keen to underscore areas of cooperation. and downplay areas of difference, john. >> so, clarissa, stay right there. i want to bring in cnn's fareed zakaria for more on the other, big development we mentioned. fareed, former-president donald trump put out this statement. this is a week before joe biden meets with vladimir putin. donald trump puts out a statement talking about the great, and very productive, meeting he had with putin in helsinki. and everyone remembers helsinki. where donald trump said that he had no reason to doubt russia's claims that they didn't attack the u.s. election. so, the statement trump put out a few hours ago says, quote, as to who do i trust, they ask, russia or our intelligence from the obama era, meaning people like comey, mccabe, brendan clapper, or numerous other sleaze bags, the answer should be obvious. good luck to biden in dealing with president putin. don't fall asleep during the
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meeting, and please, give him my warmest regards. so, basically, trump just reaffirmed what he said in helsinki. that he puts more faith in russia, than u.s. intelligence. and he does it, a week before the sitting-u.s. president is meeting with the russian leader. what do you make of that? >> well, what i make of it, more than anything, is that donald trump is pathologically in need of attention. this is a man who is, obviously, depressed and desperate to be out of the media limelight. he is trying to find a way in. he figures this is a path in. and he is saying, pretty much, whatever he can to get attention. it is -- it's a sad reminder of the kind of circus that was the donald-trump presidency. he said crazier things, when he was president of the united states. now, as to the substance of what he is saying, you're absolutely right, john. what he is saying, by implication, is that he trusts the kgb more than he trusts
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america's intelligence services. which is, you know, it's just breathtaking. one doesn't quite know what to say. i don't know which is worse. if he is simply saying this to get attention, or if he actually believes that the kgb's intelligence, self-serving intelligence, of, you know, one of the longest-serving dictatorships in the -- in the world is better than the oldest-constitutional democracies in the world. if that's what he believes, it only reinforces, to me, why donald trump was never fit to be president of the united states. >> what do you think vladimir putin makes of it, fareed? >> putin is very smart. putin is very shrewd. he understands america, very well. i -- i have had the opportunity to meet with him a bunch of times. i think he is not swayed by this kind of circus. he is working -- he is -- you know, he is very well briefed.
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he understands the issues. he knows he's going to have a tough meeting with biden. and my suspicion is that he is going to brush all that trump nonsense aside, and try to figure out, is there a way to have a more stable and predictable relationship with the united states? he is going to push hard to assert his interests. biden is going to have to try to push hard, back. so, i would suspect that, for -- for -- putin recognizes that donald trump, at this moment, is really irrelevant. he's got to deal with joe biden. >> so, clarissa, president biden's got a lot of work to do even before he gets to the meeting with vladimir putin. after johnson, he goes to the g7. he is trying to tell u.s. allies that america is back. but obviously, these relationships need to be mended. how big of a lift does he have, heading into the g7 meeting with other european leaders? >> well, i think he has a lift, on several fronts. first of all, the very fact that we are talking about this statement from former-president trump. just underscores how much damage was done by president trump.
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and that was felt, particularly keenly, here in europe. and now, a lot of european leaders are, still, very concerned. okay. president biden is saying the right things. he's making the right gestures. but is america reliable, in the long haul? or is it, simply, too capricious with this political system, whereby everything can change on a dime, and you can have a complete-paradigm shift in the space of four years. so, you are definitely going to see a need to feel that leadership coming from the u.s., not just in terms of rhetoric. but also, in terms of substance. also, there is a broader question of what does the g7 mean today? when the g7 started in the 1970s, you know, these countries constituted 80% of the world's gdp. now, they constitute 40% of the world's gdp. they're tackling these enormous issues, like coronavirus and vaccines, without the support of major superpowers like china, like india, like to a lesser extent, russia. so, this is a pivotal moment, existentially, for the g7.
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i think, to show that it is still relevant. that these countries can come together. that they can build consensus and really stand up, as a bulwark against rising authoritarianism in the form, most notably, of course, of russia and china. >> fareed zakaria, clarissa ward, we are lucky to get to talk to you during it. thank you so much. next. the question of vaccinating young children against covid and the fda adviser, who is urging the fda adviser, who is urging caution, for now ...no, no, the smile... ...and that second right before the first tear comes... ...what?! pizza on a bagel-we can all agree with that. do you want a hug?
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a lot of covid news tonight. as we touched on earlier, president biden announcing plans to purchase 500 million doses of the pfizer vaccine to give to people around the world. and late today, word of a dissenting voice on approving vaccines for use in children under 12. dr. meisner spoke out at a meeting of the fda's vaccines and related biological products advisory committee. and he joins us, now. doctor, thanks so much for being with us. so, why don't you think an emergency-use authorization can be justified for children under 12 years old, now? what are you most concerned about? >> well, first, thank you, john, for the invitation, tonight. i -- i appreciate the opportunity. i think, um, first of all, we have to remember that these vaccines are absolutely extraordinary. and these vaccines are leading us out of the pandemic.
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we are seeing declining rates of disease that are so dramatic. and it's a combination of naturally-acquired immunity from an infection. and immunity that's been induced by the vaccine. together, we probably have close to 75% of the united states' population immune to covid-19. and that's why we're seeing the dramatic decreases in disease. it's lower cases of illness than we've seen, in the -- in the past-12 months. # and that's wonderful. it's directly attributable to the vaccines. these vaccines are equivalent to our accomplishments in space. so, landing on the moon, to placing a robot on mars. it, absolutely, astonishing and we are so fortunate to have
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access to these vaccines. the issue is the disease, in children under 18 years of age, is -- is, also, falling very dramatically. the most recent information from the cdc, on the so-called covid net that everyone can look at, shows that the hospitalization rate for individuals under 18 years of age is four hospitalizations, per million people. okay? a very, very small number. it's very different, than the situation we had with adults, several months ago. earlier-this year. there, we had 4,000-or-more deaths a year -- a -- a day. due to covid-19. we are not seeing that, anymore.
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>> i'm sorry. so we have less -- less -- fewer people are getting sick? >> well, whenever we administer a vaccine or an immunization. there are two thoughts. number one, is it going to benefit that individual? and is the benefit going to in -- exceed any-possible harm from the vaccine? and because the rates of disease, in children under 18, adolescents and children, is so low. that it's four hospitalizations per million. then, we want to be sure that any side effects that are related, adverse events, that are related to the vaccine, are less common than the complications from the disease, itself. and we don't know that, yet. i think that's going to be the
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case. but i had -- i'm not opposing these studies. we need to do these clinical trials. but i don't -- i'm a little uncomfortable about rolling out these vaccines to millions of children and adolescents because there are so many unknown factors. and one of which is this issue called myocarditis that does, indeed, seem to be related to the vaccine. >> okay. so, hang on, one second here, doctor. because on that point, i want to bring in cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. so, sanjay, first, based on what you know, where do you stand on the issue? >> well, you know, i -- i -- i want to be very careful here. we -- we -- we -- i think dr. miesner would agree that we don't want to be, you know, empowering increased-vaccine hesitancy here. which is always a potential consequence. no question that, for an authorization, emergency-use authorization, that the -- the -- the sort of ratio of
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benefits outweighing the risks have to be proven. for all the reasons that dr. miesner is saying. and that may involved more involved safety studies. you know, when they did 12 to 15-year-old authorization, they did more what they call bridging trials. they bridged a lot of the data from older people to that -- that age group. with younger people, you are going to have to do these safety trials and -- and more complete data's going to need to be, you know, really accrued here. to -- to prove that benefit-risk ratio. i think, you know, one of the things i think, you know, is important to remember is that we look at hospitalizations. we look at deaths. but i think, one thing we have learned is that you don't want this virus. you don't want to get infected, because we don't, still, know if some of the longer-term consequences even if people who have had milder illness. that wouldn't be counted towards that severe illness. and -- and i am curious, along those lines, dr. miesner, when you look at 12 to 15-year-olds, for whom the vaccine has been authorized. about a quarter have already
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received at least one shot. what is your message to -- to those parents? john and i, both, have kids in that age range, who have just gotten vaccinated. what do you say to us? >> well, i think, approximately 23% of the children in that age group have received one dose. and it's a smaller number, that have received a second dose. and remember, the myocarditis issue arises, primarily in males. it's, primarily, in younger -- or adolescents and young-adults. it occurs, pretty specifically, at two, three, or four days after administration of the second dose. it's more common, after the messenger rna vaccine than it is after the adenovirus vector vaccine. so, all of those very specific factors, i think, need to be
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considered. whenever one is thinking about vaccinating a young child or adolescent. because again, the hospitalization rate is four per million. so, i would like to be sure that the side effects, specifically the myocarditis, is less frequent than four cases per million. because, as you know, the data from israel, for example, where they're a little bit ahead of us in terms of uptake of the vaccine. they have seen rates, relatively similar to ours, as has the department of defense in their immunization program. so, all i'm saying is that, yes, we need vaccines for children. but we want to be very cautious that the benefit exceeds the risk. >> right. and just to be clear, you know, the -- the -- the frequency of
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myocarditis, i think, out of 2.5 million, roughly, vabccine doses that have been administered. about-80 cases so we are talking about something exceedingly rare here, doctor, and again, just for the audience because a lot of people paying attention, who are considering these vaccines right now for people in that age range. what -- what -- i mean, this is the data they have. this is the information they have. i -- i get that we need to be careful. but what are you telling parents about this vaccine for -- for that age kids? >> yes, dr. gupta. it's -- it's a very difficult question. the point is, it's not the rate of myocarditis for everyone. the point is it's the rate of myocarditis in a high-risk group. it's -- it's very similar to the vaccine-induced thrombosis and thrombocyte syndrome that was seen in younger women. it didn't happen in older women, it didn't happen in men. but -- so, if you take the rate for everyone, it's pretty low.
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but if you look at the rate, in people who are in the increased-risk group, then it gets to be a little bit more worrisome. and i think that's the issue here. again, we need a vaccine for adolescents and children. but i -- i think we, also, want to be sure that the benefit exceeds the risk. >> dr. miesner, thank you for being with us. sarng, our thanks to you as wel. new reporting just in on how far -- how far dwbeyond the nor the former president's justice department tried to pry into the online lives of some top democrats, their aides, and family members. every curve, every innovation, every feeling. a product of mastery. get 0.9% apr financing on the 2021 es 350. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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more breaking news tonight and yet another sign of just how aggressively the trump-justice department pursued leaks even if it meant pushing all kinds of boundaries to do it. "the new york times" has the story out moments ago. the headline reads hunting leaks, trump officials focused on democrats in congress. the justice department seized records from apple for metadata of house-intelligence committee
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members, their aides, and family members. according to "the times," prosecutors sought data from the accounts of at least two democrats on the committee, aides, and family members. one was a minor. the target, according to "the times," sources behind news-media reports about contacts between trump associates and russia. adam goldman shares a byline on the story. he joins us now, by phone. adam, this is a remarkable piece of reporting. i did a double take when i saw this. wh which lawmakers did you learn the justice department was investigating? >> well, we learned that they were investigating adam schiff of california. a democrat, who was an enemy of trump, who trump consistently went after when he was president. i am not going to name anybody else. i am going to stick to what's in the story. but i -- we, also, were floored when we learned about this. i mean, it's really an extraordinary display of prosecutorial discretion. >> i mean, is there any
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precedent for this, that you are aware of? of the government investigating the chair of the intelligence committee? >> yeah. you know, i am unaware of that. i mean, we are aware of public-corruption investigations, in which, you know, fbi and justice department target -- target members of congress for actual corruption. but not something related -- not something like this. and, you know, if you look at what they did, and the number of people they -- they -- they subpoenaed. this was a fishing expedition. and they ended up nowhere, like many other leaks we read about as part of the story. >> i just read a statement from adam schiff. he is calling for an ig investigation into the investigation. what questions need to be answered? >> i think, there are a number of questions that need to be answered. for starters, you know, who -- who is -- who is approving these -- these subpoenas?
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basically, the -- you know, many of them came at the end of trump -- trump's administration. the ones involving schiff came earlier. they really -- you know, i -- you know, i was subpoenaed by the justice department and -- and -- and they also tried to seize my e-mails but a lot of these actions took place just at the end of the administration. and why are they doing this, years after these investigations were opened? why not wait for the next administration to weigh in? the political blowback on this has been pretty fierce, and you can imagine that this administration would have like to have known. >> to what extent were these authorities looking into lawmakers' families and children? what, on earth, for? >> you know, we -- we can only gather or -- or -- or -- or -- or -- or suspect that they think that, maybe, some of these people were using their family
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members' e-mail accounts. which -- which, again, is quite -- is quite extraordinary. and, you know, clearly, they -- they got a subpoena and they -- they were able -- they were able to do this. but i mean, this is -- they cast -- they cast a wide net here. it's really something. and i guess, you know, i guess, other lawmakers have to be worried about what else is this justice department going to do? >> when you say this justice department, are we talking about the trump-justice department? or now, carrying over, to the biden-justice department? >> listen. i think the justice department, fbi, have extraordinary authorities. and they have extraordinary powers. and we've seen this, time and time, again, with them. my records were subpoenaed under the obama administration. they were, also, subpoenaed under the trump administration. so, you know, i -- what -- i -- i would be asking where are the guardrails in place to ensure -- to ensure that, you know, the guidelines and attorney-general
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guidelines, in particular, are followed? and once again, the point i made earlier. prosecutors have discretion. and they're supposed to use it. >> adam goldman, as i said, it's extraordinary report. i appreciate you joining us on short notice tonight. thank you very much. >> all right. thank you. we are going to keep the focus on democrats in congress as senate democrats try to wrangle their membership over stalled legislation. house democrats face their own, internal struggle. new comments from congresswoman ilhan omar about israel and the u.s., and the response to them from leadership have, once again, exposed a divide inside the party. sunlen serfaty has the details. >> reporter: following outrage from jewish members in her own party, today, congresswoman ilhan omar is attempting to clarify. saying she was, in no way, equating terrorist organizations with democratic countries with well-established judicial systems. at issue? this controversial tweet omar posted on monday. appearing to liken american and
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israeli atrocities with those of hamas and the taliban. quote, we must have the same level of accountability and justice for all victims of crimes against humanity. omar tweeted. we have seen unthinkable atrocities committed by the u.s., hamas, israel, afghanistan, and the taliban. a number of jewish-house democrats, immediately, slammed the congresswoman. calling it a offensive and misguided. and saying she needs to clarify her words. omar, quickly, fired back. saying it is shameful for her colleagues to put out a statement, and not just call her directly. quote, the islamophobic tropes in this statement are offensive. the constant harassment and silencing from the signers of this letter is unbearable. that, doing little to quell democratic criticism. >> it's completely and totally unacceptable. >> reporter: speaker pelosi and house democratic leaders tonight releasing a statement welcoming the clarification by omar. adding drawing false
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equiva equivalencies democracies and groups that endwaj in terrorism like hamas and the taliban, foments prejudice. that statement drawing the ire of omar's allies ratcheting up their defense of her tonight on capitol hill. the benefit of the doubt doesn't exist for muslim women in congress, congresswoman talib tweeted. house democratic leadership should be ashamed of its relentless, exclusive policing of congresswomen of color. and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez saying she is sick and tired of the constant vilification, intentional mischaracterization, and public targeting of ilhan omar, coming from our caucus. omar says she is now facing multiple death threats. >> muslims are terrorists. >> reporter: and tweeted out one of them. >> and every anti-american, communist piece of [ bleep ] that works for her, i hope, you [ bleep ] what's coming for you. >> reporter: the congresswoman's comments are just one in a series of several controversial comments omar has made about
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israel's supporters and american politics. in her two years on capitol hill. >> i want to talk >> i want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> in 2019, omar was forced to apologize after democrats accused her of anti-semitism for using the anti-semitic trope, suggesting that congressional support for israel was all about the benjamins, baby. sunlen serfaty, capitol hill. >> i'm joined by our chief political correspondent state of the union dana bash. once again, dana, you have new reporting, this time about discussions behind speaker pelosi's response to congresswoman omar. what have you learned? >> well, the group of jewish democrats who put out that statement, they were already in a meeting, just happened to have a meeting the day after congresswoman omar said what she
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said at the hearing and then put it out in a tweet wanting people to see it. i'm told a few things. number one, there were members who wanted the language to be even stronger in condemning congresswoman omar, but that they decided to pull back a little bit. and secondly, the notion that sunlen put in her piece that there was no outreach to her is not true. i'm told by a source familiar that there was a back and forth before these jewish democrats put out the statement and there was no resolution to that. there's a lot of concern, as you heard from sunlen's piece, certainly among omar and her muslim colleagues and other colleagues who are rallying progressives to support her, there's also a lot of annoyance on the other side because she continues to fan the flames. just recently she tweeted out, where were these progressives in coming to the defense of muslims
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where mo brooks said something. and you know what? that did happen. so bottom line is, this is far from over. this is deep. this is raw. and talking to democrats tonight, incredibly, incredibly unfortunate. >> dana bash, once again, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. up next, new developments in the fatal police shooting of andrew brown jr. what a state autopsy confirms about the case, plus what new legal action the brown family intends to take, when "360" continues. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪
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tonight, a north carolina medical examiner's report on the fatal police shooting of andrew brown jr. confirms what his family and their attorneys have said for weeks, he died of a gunshot wound to the back of his head. that matches up with the autopsy results of an autopsy commissioned by the brown family. three sheriff's deputies opened fire on brown's car april 21st as they tried to serve an arrest warrant on drug charges. the local district attorney says deputies were justified, claiming brown was using his car as a weapon. the brown family says this was an execution. they believe he tried to avoid
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the deputies. their lawyers accuse the d.a. of trying to hide the facts in the case and question his objectivity after he decided not to charge any of the deputies. also, more than a month later most of the video hasn't been released to the family. tonight the family plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit as they seek more answers. joining us attorney benjamin crump. mr. crump, thank you so much for joining us tonight. what is your official reaction to this autopsy report tonight? >> it was very insulting that they released the autopsy to the media and the family found out from the media that the autopsy was made public. but this follows entire line of disrespect and cover-up since this tragic shooting happened where yet again, another black man was shot from the behind fleeing the police. i don't know what it is, john, in america, that the most
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dangerous thing for white police officers is a black man running away from them, not putting them in any harm's way. >> you called the death of andrew brown, quote, an execution. the district attorney says the deputies involved were justified in their action. but the public hasn't seen the body camera footage. have you been given any additional evidence in this case? >> we have not, john. and that begs the question, if he's not going to prosecute these officers, why haven't they released all of the investigations, all of the videos? what are they trying to hide. we already know what happened, the autopsy released today by the state medical examiner confirms what we already knew, it was a kill shot to the back of the head and it completely discredits the district attorney as he continues to try to
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mislead us as to what really happened in this tragic killing of andrew brown jr. >> how does it discredit the district attorney? >> he tries to claim that the officers' had to shoot because they were in fear of their life. you clearly see that when they shot andrew brown, his car was going away from them. nobody was in harm's way. and it just follows the line of all these black men who they try to claim were a threat to their life when they were going away, whether it's joseph blake jr., kenosha, wisconsin, whether that's anthony mcclain, whether that's joshua running away in houston, texas, whether it's terence crutcher running away in tulsa, oklahoma. the list goes on and on. when black people are fleeing from the police, they feel they
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can shoot and kill them, which goes against every part of the law that we know. but more importantly, it's one of the most cowardly things you could ever do. we learn that when you're young, to shoot a man in the back, why is that acceptable for police to shoot black people in the back? joey jackson, the cnn commentator said correctly that we must stop local district attorneys being in charge of investigations over police officers that they work with every day. >> let me ask you, you're making plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of the family, what's the nature of this lawsuit and who will it be filed against? >> it will be filed against the two counties that are involved in the execution of this search warrant. remember, this was a search warrant, john. this wasn't an arrest warrant. they killed him executing a search warrant.
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