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all right. that's it for me. thank you for the opportunity. "don lemon tonight" starts, now, with its big star, d lemon. >> i watched your show. talking about this whole justice-department thing. and what they were doing. look. this is egregious. but it's only six months out from the former guy. this is -- i feel, there's going to be more. i think, there's more where this came from. we are in a very, very dangerous place, right now. >> regardless of the scope and the breadth of it, the pity is people were not wrong to want a change agent. they were not wrong, to want somebody from outside the game to come in and stop all the shenanigans and the inside plays and the toxicity. >> you talking about the 2020 election?

>> and disruptive. yeah, always. but what they need to understand is the reason this party, this -- this story -- matters, is that they just picked the wrong change agent. >> you talking about joe biden? >> no. when people voted for trump. >> i, completely, disagree with you. >> look, let me make my point. >> no. but change, just for the sake of change, chris. >> no, it wasn't change for the sake of change. you have never understood this. >> no matter what you say, you are never going to tell me that fr trump was a change agent for good and people thought by him coming in, he was going to be some sort of great, change agent, that was going to do -- >> that's exactly what they thought. >> they were absolutely wrong. >> i know. >> how can you think he is a change agent when he is going to grab women by the pussy? he thiought the former presiden wasn't born in this country. how could anyone, on earth, think that donald trump was the

perfect-change agent for them? one would have to be delusional to think that. >> okay. >> it wasn't a change agent. >> okay. he was a change agent. you see perfect-change agent. i never said perfect-change agent. >> i didn't say perfect. >> just said how will they think he is a perfect-change agent. they didn't think that. >> i was wrong, when i said perfect. go on. >> good, we are getting somewhere. when they looked at the field, they said, all these guys are -- and women -- are the same, old, insider elitist. this guy played the game, knows the game. big celebrity. has lots of money. so they believed he couldn't be bought. and he seems to hate the same people i do. and he seems to hate the same things i do. and he is going to go in there and he is going to be disruptive. and i don't care what he says and i don't care what kind of guy he is because all these men and women stink. they are all low character so no different than anybody else. then, he gets in there and he is the worst example of everything they don't like about government. what this story shows is he is everything that he promised to change.

>> i don't think anybody thought anything of what you just said. i think, the people who wanted donald trump in said i am afraid that my voice, as the preeminent voice, i am afraid that it is not going to be the preeminent voice, anymore. i think that he exploited the worst parts of people's personality, of their psyche, and of their thinking. >> both are true. >> i don't think it was -- this wasn't a change agent. >> both are true. >> the administration before. that was a hope-and-change administration. >> both are true. >> no. no. you can't tell me that both are true. >> i am telling you both are true. >> you can't say that a change agent is someone who comes in and, what? moves the culture forward. someone who -- >> that's what he wanted. there were obama voters who voted for trump. he won suburban voters, because there were people who hated the system, as it was. and wanted an insurgent. they just picked the wrong guy.

there are, also, white people who were playing to white fright and he appealed to that, as well, with his xenophobia and his being a demagogue. >> none of that is true. have you read the studies? have you heard what people have said about why they wanted donald trump? it had nothing to do with change agent. >> they absolutely say what i am saying right now. >> they wanted -- they wanted to go back -- if you tell me -- if you tell me that they wanted things to go back to a time where there wasn't equity and equality in our society, where bigots ruled the country. then, i would say yes. >> don, 74 million people voted for this guy in the most recent election. it's not because they are all racists. >> no, you can be naive, you can be racist. you can have a bias. >> you can have fear of the far left. you can believe that the other guy is an inside animal, who is going to play the same kinds of games. >> but none of the studies show that there was a fear of the far left. that's all political gobble. all of what you just said has nothing to do with reality. if you look at the studies and you listen to the people who

donie o'sullivan interviews. >> donie o'sullivan. listen. i love donie. he talks to conspiracists and cult followers. we didn't have 74 million -- here is what i am saying. not to go too far afield. this doj story is proof that trump was everything he said he was against. the whole virtue, to him, for trump people, that they clung to was he's different than the others. he won't do the same kinds of bad things. he is not a politician, so he says lots of stupid stuff. but he'll -- he'll stop their games. he was the game. he is the ugliest example of the game. i have never seen anybody get a doj to do what he did here. >> well, we -- we'll have to -- we'll have to agree to disagree because i think this shows that trump was everything that he said he was. that he was a bigot. that he was small minded. that he wasn't looking out for the interest of the country.

that he had to people have to cheat to win. i think that this is all a culmination of exactly what he says he was. exactly what he showed us. so, while it is outrageous and it is disgusting that he is digging into people's personal information. >> that he is having the doj do it. >> that he is having the doj doing it. >> one thing if he did it but he had them do it. >> but that -- that's exactly what he said he was going to do. not that he was hiding and all of a sudden, we find out that he was this magnanimous person. it is kpaexactly what he promis us. to use the levers of government, for what? his own interests. that's what he is doing. >> that's, absolutely, what he did. he did it, from jump, the whole time. i'm saying why people, originally, voted for him. they -- they still feel the same way. i mean, i talk to people all the time on the radio and in my life. and obviously, as an extension of this place. and they say, i hate the way things are. i hate the culture, hate the system. i want somebody to get in there and change it. it's not an uncommon call.

they just picked the worst-guy ever, if that's what they wanted because he is an example of exactly the opposite. i have said what i have to say. i love you, and i will be watching. >> thank you, sir. thank you, very much. i will see you this weekend. this is "don lemon tonight." on a big-news night, with stunning developments, on multiple stories. so let's start with our big-breaking news that chris and i were just talking about and it is stunning. just how far the trump administration was willing to go to hunt leaks. using their power to put down perceived-political enemies. it is disgusting. it is toxic. it is shocking, but not surprising. cnn has confirmed the trump doj took the extraordinary step of seizing records from apple. targeting democrats on the house-intel committee, their aides, and even their family members. one of them, a minor child. vile. "the new york times" reporting records from at least a dozen

people, including adam schiff, were seized as the doj hunted for the sources behind news-media reports on contacts between trump associates and russia. congressman schiff putting out a statement tonight saying, president trump repeatedly and flagrantly demanded that the department of justice carry out his political will, and tried to use the department as a cudgel against his political opponents and members of the media. it is increasingly apparent that those demands did not fall on deaf ears. the politicization of the department and the attacks on the rule of law are among the most dangerous assaults on our democracy, carried out by the former president. though, we were informed by the department in may that this investigation is closed, i believe more answers are needed. which is why i believe the inspector general should investigate this, and other cases that suggest the weaponization of the law enforcement by a corrupt president. adam schiff, putting out that

statement, tonight. and was just on chris's show, moments ago. let's remember what the then-president said, in february, 2020. accusing adam schiff of leaking information about russia's election interference. and frankly, i think it's disgraceful. i think it was leaked from the intelligence committee, house. house version. and i think that they leaked it. i think, probably, schiff leaked it. but people within that -- schiff leaked it, in my opinion. and he shouldn't be leaking things like that. they ought to stop the leaking from intelligence committee. and if they don't stop it, i -- i can't imagine that people are not going to go after them and find out what's happening. >> wow. projection. every time, he said something about someone else, was true about him. still is. so in just the past-few days, we have learned this. we have learned about donald trump, the doj seizing apple's records, of adam schiff and others. we learned the trump administration waged a months-long, secret court battle

to get records from my colleague. cnn's barbara starr. we learned that mark meadows sent five e-mails to the then-acting attorney general, trying to pressure him to investigate ridiculous claims of election fraud. we heard new audio of rudy giuliani pressuring ukraine to investigate joe biden. this is, all, recent. this is, all, just within the last couple of days, weeks. it's shocking. we thought it was bad. but we didn't even know the half of it. we have a lot more, ahead, tonight, on this story. we are going to dig in more and this story is coming as we are, als also, getting some stunning revelations about the january-6th insurrection. when -- that's when those -- look at your screen -- violent, trump-supporting rioters, stormed the united states capitol trying to stop the certification of the vote. the fbi director, christopher wray, says virtually none of those rioters were on their radar, before the attack.

>> as far as individuals, actually, under investigation. now that we're close to 500 arrests into the matter, you may be surprised to -- to learn that, in fact, almost none of the individuals charged and found to be involved with the attack on the capitol were, in fact, individuals who were, previously, investigated. >> okay. >> almost none of them. again, that is shocking. and it raises some disturbing questions. the fbi has said the threat from domestic terrorism is metastasizing. yet, they had no idea any of these people would attack the capitol? how much are we underestimating the threat? i shouldn't say we. how much are they underestimating the threat? how much are we, still, underestimating it? director wray saying there will be a lot more charges to come.

>> we are treating it as an act of domestic terrorism. and investigating it through our joint-terrorism task force. and we are, as you know, now in the midst of bringing any number of conspiracy charges. which are particularly serious. and -- but this is a very ongoing investigation and there is a lot more to come and i would expect to see more charges. and some of them may be more serious charges. >> he is, also, saying that the bureau is investigating the most -- listen to this -- the bureau is investigating the most hate crime incidents in five years. >> hate crimes are, certainly, a high priority for us. we, in fact, had a, from fiscal year '19 to fiscal '20, a 63% increase in fbi hate-crimes

investigations opened. and this year, fiscal year '21, we have had the highest number of hate-crime investigations initiated in the past-five years. >> we have got more to come on that story, too. that, as what's happening, right now, tells you everything you need to know about the state of our politics. everything you need to know about the limits of bipartisanship. ten senators. five republicans, five democrats. saying, tonight, that they have got a deal on infrastructure. one that would be fully paid for, and not include tax increases. a source telling cnn it includes $578 billion in new spending. and would cost a total of $1.2 trillion, over eight years. the white house sounding cautiously optimistic, by the way, saying the deal is worth exploring. a spokesman, saying that they'll work with the bipartisan group but, quote, questions need to be addressed. meanwhile, selling it to the senate is a whole-nother thing.

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breaking news, tonight. the trump justice department seized records from apple for data from the accounts of democrats on the house-intelligence committee, as well as aides and family members, as prosecutors investigated leaks. so, let's discuss, now. congressman eric swalwell is here. he is a california democrat, who is a member of the committee. representative, thank you for joining us tonight. this is really an astounding and unprecedented -- you sit on the house intelligence committee. records from at least a dozen people seized, including from aides, family members, even a minor. do you have reason to believe that they sought your records, as one of a hundred -- one of among a hundred accounts? have you been notified of that by apple or anyone? >> i was notified, don, by

apple. that they did seize my records. it's wrong. this is what they do. they smear and they try and clear. we've seen this, through the justice department, by donald trump. whether it was the reason he was impeached for trying to go after vice president biden, at the time. or just other efforts, you know, through the mueller investigation. and i support chairman schiff's call for an inspector-general report into not only this conduct but other conduct that was corrupt by donald trump and those who worked for him. >> the reporting is that, among the numbers obtained -- obtained were family members, and as i said, even a minor. do you know that to be true? and why -- why would they be targeted? >> i do know that to be true. and i believe they were targeted punitively. not for any reason, in law. but because donald trump identified chairman schiff and members of the committee as an enemy of his. and just like vladimir putin, or

erdogan or xi in china. he used the power of government, corruptly, to go after his perceived-political opponents. we can't allow that to happen, again, don. this is not a 500-year flood. as we speak, he is telling others that he will be reinstated in august. and he has people who are willing to, you know, raise -- bring violence, collect arms, and come to the capitol to try and make that true. so it's a fragile time for our democracy. >> yeah. it's -- it certainly is. do you know how long this went on? and when it began? >> it looks like it was -- it originated back in 2017, the 2018 period that aligns with the cnn, "new york times," "washington post" stuff. but i don't know much more, beyond that, other than it's closed. the matter is closed, and, of course, it's closed because we did nothing but our jobs. and we followed the rules that we were supposed to follow in our investigation. that showed that donald trump and his team sought to have

assistance from russia, planned to benefit from it. and constantly, as president, governed in a way that put russia's interests, ahead of america's. >> does it -- does it make sense, to you, that the justice department goes to a judge with a request to seize data on members of congress? and that a judge was willing to sign off on that, a coequal branch of government? >> it concerns me and that's why i support the chairman's call for an inspector-general report. don, look, i'm not above the law, just like no one else is above the law. but to go after this many people. boy, that feels like a donald-trump-driven investigation. and i don't have a lot of faith in his ability to fairly interpret the law. so, we know that they -- they went after reporters. and now, we are learning about elected officials and -- and -- elected officials, too. and that they put a gag order in place for apple so those lawmakers wouldn't know it, that it was even happening. why were they able to get these gag orders?

>> because they -- they, rightfully, were afraid of the public perception that they were targeting their political enemies. now, it -- it's not law, don. it's actually supreme-court precedent that allows these gag orders. but they have to be renewed after one year. and it looks like they were renewed, a number of times. and -- and thankfully, the biden administration, it looks like, did not renew it. again, we don't know enough, yet. but it is concerning that they continued to seek our records, with no evidence that there was any wrongdoing. other than, we were calling the president out for his corruption. >> adam schiff, the chairman, was on with chris. and also, he is calling on the inspector general to investigate. what is -- what needs to come out of this? i mean, as you know, the doj has extraordinary authority. are there any guardrails to keep this from happening? i -- i can't believe that they were -- that, as we said -- as i said, a judge signed off on it. and then, they were able to get

gag orders. i mean, are there any gu guardrails? what -- what the hell is going on here? >> yeah. we need a clean-up crew for what donald trump did with his wrecking ball to our democracy. which puts a lot of reforms in place. but there is so much more we have to do to give the department of justice independence from any president, republican or democratic. a president's own political preferences and, clearly, they were abused by donald trump. we can never go back to that but we are dangerously close if we do nothing. >> you think we are dangerously close? or are we already there? >> well, we -- we certainly -- we had a president who abused his power, don. went after his political enemies. sent a violent mob to try and kill his political enemies. to overturn an election. so, yeah, we're already there. thankfully, we survived. i don't think we'll survive, again. >> hmm. all right. thank you, representative. i appreciate it.

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so, here's our breaking news tonight. the revelation that the trump doj subpoenaed apple for data from accounts of democrats on the house-intel committee. their aides, even family members, including a minor child. the records seized including from adam schiff, and as we just learned now, he just told us. eric swalwell. let's discuss, now. cnn's chief political analyst, gloria borger is here. the perfect person to talk about this. gloria, good evening. this is outrageous. >> hi. it is. look. i think this may be, and is, the worst abuse of power we have seen from donald trump. and that is really saying something. this is a president, who was using the justice department as his own, private investigators.

and who, decided that he ought to investigate the people who were investigating him. how outrageous is that? it makes nixon's enemies list and watergate, itself, look like small beans. >> uh-huh. >> that's how outrageous this is. >> listen. the -- the former president, we know, that he always believed that the justice department, right, was his own. that he could use them -- >> sure. >> -- in any way that he wanted to, for his own, political purposes. and look at what we are learning now. okay? we talked about that. this is the news tonight. but we learned that cnn and other-news organizations, the pressure that -- you know, that he sought the records for that. the pressure that mark meadows put on the doj to investigate election fraud. the situation with ukraine and rudy giuliani. i mean, when you put it, all, together. i mean, the amount, the enormity of the -- the abuse is just astounding. >> well, i think he looked at

the justice department like he looked at the trump organization. they worked for him. they didn't work for the american people. so, i think, the question we have to ask here is jeff sessions, according to "the new york times," started this. the folks in the justice department, four of whom remain, by the way, i believe, did the investigation. they thought it was going nowhere. and then, attorney general barr revived it. bringing someone in to the justice department to further investigate it. the question is what did barr see that nobody else could see? why did he decide to do this? and the question is what can anyone do about this? and so, i think, everyone has to kind of ask these questions. also, the fact that there were these long-gag orders placed. such as, was placed on the attorney for cnn, david

vigilante, who had a year-long gag order. senator wyden of oregon, tonight, said we're going -- we are going to take a look at this because this is ridiculous. and so, i think, that there are so many questions that need to be asked and answered. so that this cannot happen, again. the justice department cannot be a wholly-own subsidiary of the president of the united states, to be used for his political purposes and his political investigations. >> uh-huh. >> i mean, congress's job is to oversee. if they were doing their job, and he didn't like what they were doing, that's too bad. >> uh-huh. um, you know, i'm wondering. what type of investigations can come out of this, gloria? consider -- considering the -- the egregious nature of what has happened. and -- and there are things, i'm sure, we don't know about, that are yet to come. >> right. and i -- and i think, you know,

they are going to be peeling the layers of the onion here. we are going to see what we get down to because i wouldn't be surprised if we continue to learn more and more. but i'm asking myself the same question that you're asking. which is, how do you investigate this? and how can you try and put some guardrails on here? you know, in the old days, you didn't think you needed guardrails like this. but it's obvious that you do. so, what can congress do? well, they can have an inspector-general investigation. the inspector general can -- can take a look at this. that takes a long time. and say, well, this is what went wrong. they can try and change the rules, regarding gag orders, for example. but can someone sue the justice department? i mean, these are public officials here. maybe, the secondary people could. the people who were staff. i mean, i am not an attorney and i don't pretend to be one. so i'm not quite sure what any -- what the legal remedies would be. but if you were, say, a

second-level, third-level staffer. and you discovered that your private-text messages had been investigated. and by the justice department. you'd hire a lawyer. and you -- i think -- and you would try and figure out what you could do about that. because i think you would feel violated by this. and you'd want to know some answers. congress ought to haul up barr and maybe they will have a subpoena fight. >> i know you said -- yeah. yeah. >> right. he has to answer -- he has to answer questions of why he revived what seemed to be a dormant investigation. >> right. >> and maybe, he had a reason for doing that. but he brought in somebody from the outside to deal with it. why did he do that? did he do that because the president said, hey, i'd like -- i'd like you to help me out here? you know? barr was somebody, at the end of his tenure, who said, you know, there wasn't any fraud in the election. so, he didn't follow trump, on that route. why did he follow him on this

route, earlier on in his -- in his tenure? did he feel the pressure? did he see something? i mean, we -- you know, there are so many questions that need to be answered. and the inspector general, obviously, an inspector general is, obviously, going to have to answer it. but -- but, you know, people's civil rights may have been violated. again, i'm not a lawyer. but this raises so many questions. and just lets get a real insight into donald trump and how he operated. >> well, that's what i want to ask you because if there -- listen. the lawmakers and the people who -- whose records they -- they -- they were looking for work for the people. and many times, lawmakers communicate with their constituents. so it's not just about the lawmakers' records. if you texted or e-mailed your congressperson, your congressman or congresswoman, then, your text messages. maybe, you had a personal issue that you wanted to talk to your representative about. something that you needed fixed -- fixing and, you know,

you thought they had -- you had their confidence or they had your confidence. well, not anymore. >> sure. >> so, the average person, the average citizen, should be really concerned about this. it's not just about lawmakers. >> yeah. or -- yeah, confidential conversations with constituents, with family members, with even members of the press. you know, donald trump, as you know, was obsessed with these leaks. >> uh-huh. >> and he made no secret of it. you just played that tape. he -- he told the public about it. he said -- he said adam schiff is the one leaking about this. i know this. well, did he know this? when did he know it? or was it just his suspicion and he said to the justice department, his own private investigators, i want you to take a look at this. i want you to find this out for me. i want you to report back to me because these are my enemies. you know, nixon only made a list. he made a list. this is -- this is very different from watergate and worse.

and worse, because it is an abuse of power by the president of the united states. i think that is the only way all of us, who are reading this in "the new york times," can look at this and say if all of this is accurate, why did the president of the united states think that he had the authority, on a whim, to say to the justice department. which works for the people. that i want you to investigate my enemies? you know, i mean, did he start looking at people's tax return -- i mean, we have no idea what he was doing. >> yeah. >> again, i think there are layers of the onion that we're going to continue to peel here, as we should. and find out just what was going on that we did not know about. apple, of course, was under a gag order. and we need -- we need to continue, for history, if nothing else, to find out what these abuses were. >> yeah. for everything you just said and more is why we love having you.

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your reaction to what we're learning tonight about the abuses of power, on the part of the trump-justice department. are you familiar with the story, about -- >> yes. >> -- requesting and then seizing records and apple complying? go on, what do you think? >> i just think it's consistent with the -- the behavior that you've seen from that administration during its time in power. and i can't say that i'm -- i'm shocked or surprised. i mean, this is an administration that -- that pushed the bounds of legalities. and -- and taste and normalized lying about basic-election results. so, i mean, i can't really say that anything, quite frankly, along those lines would surprise me. >> yeah. same thing. i said it was -- it's horrific. it's abusive. i said it was shocking, but not surprising, considering the actions of this administration. not just over the past-four years but the past-five years, since he -- even before he made

that -- that trip down the escalator at trump tower. >> certainly. well, i mean, if you're willing to debase the entire american-democratic system. i mean, that -- that it's, you know, pretty much, anything's up for -- anything's game. >> what should happen, do you think, lieutenant governor? what do you think? should there be any consequences? investigations? not only for the former president but for the attorney general, as well. and the justice department. >> i, certainly, think it's something that would need to be investigated. but i wouldn't look that the republicans would express an equal amount of enthusiasm for investigating that. and it just would turn into a back and forth. and the bottom line is, is that these kind of relations are going to continue to emerge. because it -- it was an administration that held itself above the law and was willing to lie, manipulate, and cajole.

and it might even sound like even break the law from what it sounds like is emerging. >> i want to talk, lieutenant governor, about this great piece you have on cnn.com and you say some democrats like manchin who are refusing to reform the filibuster are telling us allegiance to a flawed-senate rule is more important to them than democracy, itself. they are wrong. why? >> well, i mean, look. i -- i live fairly close to the west virginia border. i'm familiar with the state, what it's like there. and -- and, of course, senator manchin is -- is a far better, far better option than -- than a republican from west virginia. but at the end of the day, you know, the situation to ratify these generational, life-changing pieces of legislation. and, you know, you really need to come together, as democrats. i mean, as -- as -- and when you see, what you have seen with the trump administration was willing to do. and even as it came out, just recently, this -- tonight. i mean, we need to band

together. i would gladly, you know, pay any political price back home if that were the case. to bring these -- these amazing pieces of legislation that we need. whether it's minimum wage, whether it's infrastructure, whether it's police reforms, voting protections. all these things are so critical. and that will affect this country, for generations. >> lieutenant governor of pennsylvania, john fetterman joins us now. governor, i appreciate it. and if you have any interest, any more interest, in what he said, read the piece on cnn.com. again, a quote from it says some democrats like manchin who are refusing to reform the filibuster are telling us that allegiance to a flawed senate rule is more important to them than democracy, itself. they are wrong. thank you, lieutenant governor. i appreciate it. >> thank you, for having me. >> thank you. the next vaccine misinformation at an ohio health committee meeting you have got to see, to believe. >> explain to me why the key sticks to me.

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pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they're magnetized. they can put a key on their forehead. it sticks. they can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick because now we think there's a metal piece to that. >> but that's not all. a nurse who also spoke at the hearing tried and failed to prove that she is now magnetic. >> yes. vaccines do harm people. by the way, so i just found out something when i was on lunch, and i wanted to show it to you. we were talking about d dr. tenpenny's testimony about magnetic vaccine crystals. this is what i found out. i have a key and a bobby pin here. explain to me why the key sticks to me. it sticks to my neck too. yeah, so if somebody can explain this, that would be great. any questions?

>> sorry. okay. it's really not funny. it's laughable but not funny. well, maybe it is a little funny. the cdc having to put out a fact check debunking the totally wackadoo claim. so joining me now, cnn medical analyst, dr. jonathan reiner, the director of the cardiac catheterization program. doctor, what is going on in this country? >> yeah. you know, my dad would have called that m mesh ug na. dr. dtenpenny is talking to ver receptive ears. there's a huge number of folks in this country that are very leery of vaccines.

she has also said at other times wrongly that vaccines cause infertility in men and women. she's link the these things to, you know, globalists, which is obviously an anti-semitic kind of trope. >> yep. >> she's talked about depopulation, eugenics. so she's a fringe character, but she's talking to very receptive ears, and she's talking to people in states that are lagging way behind other parts of this country in vaccinations. for instance, in parts of the south, you know, barely, you know, 40% of people are fully vaccinated compared to a national average of 53%. if you look at states that have more than 70% of adults with at least one -- you know, one shot, we have 13 states with that, you know, there are parts of the south, you know, where that's barely 50%. so we have a long way to go, and

she's talking to very, very receptive ears. it's not funny. it's dangerous. >> listen, i mean that woman, if you look at it, i know it's not funny. but if you look at her, should we feel bad for the woman who has been co-opted or people who are being exploited by so-called experts who would have someone like that actually going into a committee hearing and trying to put keys on them to prove their point? and i don't -- maybe i shouldn't be laughing at it, but i mean i find it -- it's ridiculous when you look at it. it is actually -- it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous, but it's disinformation propaganda. it's actually propaganda. and some of this is being, you know, spread by so-called legitimate, you know, news outlets. you know, this kind of doubting the safety of vaccines, doubting

the necessity of vaccines, you know, linking it to magnetizing people and 5g cell towers. it's very, very dangerous, but a lot of people are hearing this. >> y doctor, thank you for clearing all of this up for us. i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. so breaking tonight, just how far the trump administration went to figure out who was leaking information, seizing records from apple for democrats, including adam schiff, and we have learned tonight eric swalwell as well. stay with us. protection made s! simparica trio is the first and only monthly chewable that covers heartworm disease, ticks and fleas, round and hookworms. dogs get triple protection in just one simparica trio! this drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures. use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders.

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