i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, joe biden's first overseas trip asm president. first g7, first meeting with the queen. the coming week brings more summits, nato, the european union and vladimir putin. >> to let him know what i want

him to know. >> we'll talk about what's already happened and what's to come with former top obama aid ben rhodes and economist editor-in-chief zanny minton-beddoes. also, a new day dawns on israel. after decades of tough politics there as 12 years as prime minister, benjamin netanyahu will no longer lead that nation. martin indyk, twice ambassador to that country, will tell me what to expect from the new prime minister and his coalition government. then, an extra life. that's what author stephen johnson says the world has gained in the last hundred years as life expectancy has doubled. he'll tell us the surprising story of how it happened and

floods of people are trying to enter the united states at that time southern border. vice president is in charge of stopping the migration. how should she do it? i have some advice. but first, here is my take. are you ready for the next global crisis? christopher krebs, the former director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency said last month that we are already on the cusp of a global digital pandemic. he was talking about the explosion of cyber crime. fbi director christopher wray concurs explaining that the dramatic rise of the new form of crime has shaken the american security apparatus much like the 9/11 attacks did in 2001. in fact, the escalation of cybercrime is a far more pervasive problem than terrorism.

as we connect more and more stuff to the internet, all of us become more and more vulnerable to hackers who could compromise any person or business through the web and steal their data or freeze them out until they pay a ransom. the pandemic accelerating the transition to a digital economy and thus accelerating cybercrime. by one estimate, ransomware attacks tripled in the last year. we actually don't know the true extent of this problem because much of it remains unreported. many companies large and small keep mum out of fear of inviting bad publicity, future attacks and legal consequences. cybersecurity ventures estimates that damage will reach $20 billion by the end of 2021 which is 57 times the number just six years ago. one ceo who works actively on cybersecurity told me, ransomware attackers are

operating with a reliable business model, the cyberattackers attack a network and then set a price for the ransom that is high but affordable for the targeted organization, particularly if they have insurance. once the ransom is paid, the attackers follow up on their end of the bargain. but there is one point in the blizzard of these transactions where law enforcement has leverage. virtually every cyber criminal demands payment in cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. this makes sense because a crucial feature of these currents is that they are largely untraceable. at least until very recently. every successful technology fills some need or solves some problem. what is the need that cryptocurrencies fill? it is not to buy and sell on the web or to move money electronically. all of that could easily been done using transitional financial institutions and new

interfaces like paypal or apple pay. but none of these can replace shadowy transactions that take place in the analog world where one person hands another a bag of cash. that transaction is inefficient but secret and largely untraceable. cryptocurrencies allow you to do something similar but digitally. note this is not a matter of a private discrete payment, say a man would wants to book a hotel in paris for a weekend without his wife knowing. there are plenty of ways for that to happen. prepaid credit cards and the like. but with the new digital transactions, the identities of people involved are secret even from financial institutions and from the government. but not so secret, it turns out. this week's news about the recovery of a ransom indicates the way forward. the justice department and fbi were able to track and recover

most of the bitcoins paid by colonial pipeline during the recent ransomware attack that paralyzed fuel supplies to much of the east coast. they seem to have managed this with extraordinary forensic work, digital savvy and some good luck. but such success is rare. there is no reason it needs to be so hard. the irs chief has asked congress to give it the authority to collect information on cryptocurrency transactions over $10,000. that would be a good start. putting cryptocurrency on the the same level as a bank account, rather than giving it a special pass on legal scrutiny. many of cryptocurrency's most ardent advocates see it as the way of the future, a decentralized and seamless monetary system that offers a alternative to national currencies. fine, but none of that requires that it be anonymous. if the broader goals are what

bitcoin is really about, it should stay strong even while it is illegal use is reined in. and if the unique property of cryptocurrency is that it can be readily and officially used for crime, why exactly should governments around the world allow this? go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. president biden held a press conference in cornwall this week during which he declared america is back at the table. the president was there for a meeting of the g7 world leaders. next stop windsor castle to meet the queen. later in the week he has eu and nato summits, and then the big event, a summit with vladimir putin in geneva on wednesday. let me bring in my panel to talk

about it all. zanny minton-beddoes is the editor-in-chief of the economist and ben rhodes was a deputy nurpt adviser and speech writer for president obama. he is the author of a terrific new book "after the fall: being american in the world we've made." zanny, let me start with you. biden says america is back at the table. it certainly does seem fair to say he's shaped the agenda, came to the table both with an america had done spectacularly with vaccinations, and then the half a billion vaccine donation. it did seem to spur the europeans to provide another half billion of their own, which seems like the kind of classic, traditional american agenda setting. so is america back at the table? >> yeah. america is definitely back at

the table. you saw that just listening to the president. as i was listening to the president, i thought you could not have heard this in the last four years, but you can hear it now. it's a different president, a president who is multilateralist in his bones. he's got a team around him that wants to work together. yes, america is back. i think you're right, the g7 was spurred to doing more than it might otherwise have done, reading through the communique there were more concrete details than i expected. so more ambition in certain areas. that said -- i think as angela merkel said, we haven't solved all the problems but we can pursue the solutions, she put it, with more zest. pursuing solutions with more zest, what worries me is that the scale of the problem, the challenge facing the liberal democracies of the world is so large that the g7 hasn't yet come up with an approach that is sufficiently ambitious. fantastic to have america back at the table. america is the indispensable nation. without the american leadership,

the g7 does nothing much. but now it needs greater boldness i think. >> ben, how do you think they're viewing joe biden? he's a familiar figure. most of them know him. but do they -- europeans are sophisticated. the japanese also there, of course. do you think they regard this as -- is trump the aberration or are they worried biden may be the aberration? >> i think you put your finger on it, fareed. look, what i was struck by is not only is america back at the table, but the agenda is quite different. we didn't hear about terrorism very much. we're talking about climate change, covid, china, corruption. i think this is really a bit of a sea change in terms of what the united states is bringing to the table, and i think it's a welcome change. they're dealing with issues that have to be addressed. however, i think no matter what joe biden does, all those leaders are kind of looking over

his shoulder at american democracy and they're remembering in the obama years, they painstakingly negotiated with us for a paris agreement or iran nuclear agreement, only to have trump come in and tear it all up. they know in 2024 the pend let me could swing back here. there's not joe biden can do about that, obviously. i think it does demonstrate the way these leaders look at the united states is not just joe biden and his team. it's the state of american democracy generally, and that's obviously something that we have to address at home as well as in settings like the g7. >> zanny, one of the things biden keeps talking about is how america is back with its closest allies. it wants international norms and rules, and this was the second-to-the-last question. the united states under joe biden is still maintaining a lot of o these tariffs on the europeans. the build back better plan has a

lot of buy-only-american provisions which are all protectionist and violate international norms, certainly the spirit of the wto. how do europeans strew all that? >> i think with corn certain and suspicion. when president biden got the last question, he said, it's been 120 days, give me time. i took that z as perhaps being a sign that there would be movement on some of these tariffs. you're right. if you look at the buy american agenda and the kind of disposition of president biden in terms of really focusing on creating jobs and supply chains at home, it's not hugely different to the disposition of america first. it's less unpredictable, it's more within the rules, but more of a unilateralist, soft protectionist approach. i think there is concern about that in the rest of the world, that this is a different kind of rhetoric. they talk differently, talk the

whole multilateral talk. it's not yet clear that the actual underlying approach is that different. there's one other area that is beginning to worry me more, which is given the scale of our mission in president biden's rhetoric, it's between liberal democracy and autocracies. he's painting this in very big states. the credibility of the united states for the emerging world, for the dwoopg countries is also very realistic. you look at the handling of the pandemic, not withstanding the billion doses which the g7 has come up with, still far too little relative to what needs to be done, but even if you look at climate change, if you're in the developing world you say, this is zbrat talk, but is the g7 led by the united states really willing to walk the walk and actually come up with the commitments that are necessary? i think the jury is really out on that. >> ben, i wanted to ask an angle

of this which draws on your book, which really is wonderful. you talk about the disillusionment that many people felt after 30 years of kind of american primacy and globalization and the degree to which people feel that maybe globalization failed, maybe even capitalism failed them and that was why a lot of this populism has risen, not just in america but places like hungary and all over the world. it does strike me, and i wanted to ask you this, the one much stronger correlation is immigration. that's what really seems to me to have been the beating heart of populism. after all, what is trump's signature line? it's build the wall. is biden going down the wrong path by being more protectionist? is the message really more about immigration, cultural issues, things like that?

how do you think about that? >> well, i think it's a great question, fareed. just to sum up that piece of what's in my book, i was talking to a hong kong government official who was anonymous in talking to me, he said the 2008 crisis was the pivotal point. in the west, that's where narrative of liberalism and democracy collapsed. there's an opening for the right wing populists to offer identity that came from nationalism. china thinking, we've been deferring to the americans. maybe we don't have to defer to these guys anymore, maybe what we have is better. that's generated an enormous amount of momentum, particularly since xi jinping came to power, that china is taking their model and saying, not only are we going to swallow up hong kong and be more aggressive on issues

like the uyghurs, but we're going to export this around the belt and road initiative that you heard biden talking about, in relationships with other countries. i think to deal with that, the united states has to recognize that part of our advantage and part of this competition of democracies isn't just demonstrating that democracies can deliver, we can spend money, we can build infrastructure. it's a multiracial, multiethnic democracy made up of people from everywhere, in which immigration is a core part of that strength, where anybody from anywhere can become an american, that's part of our advantage, too. we need to embrace that as a community of democracies around the world and not be so afraid of the way in which right wing populists demagogue those issues. >> zanny, can you give us a sense of what you think china's reaction to all of this is going to be? russia is actively out there trying to be a spoiler, whether

it's in ukraine, whether it's in syria, whether it's with the cyber war. are we missing an opportunity to work with the chinese on something like climate change where you couldn't -- really are not going to be able to accomplish anything substantive without the chinese? >> i hope very much we will try and work with the chinese on climate change. secretary kerry las very much tried to push that. there is a hope i think in the united states and in europe that you can walk and chew gum at the same time and work with the chinese in areas like that, where you're right, you cannot make any progress unless you're working with the chinese. i think the attitude in beijing is somewhat skeptical of that possibility of being able to carve things up and on the one hand be criticized by the west for human rights in hong kong or xinjiang and then work together in those areas. there's much more a sense that it's a common approach. there was a comment from china,

yesterday i think, saying that the g7, the group of small countries cannot dictate the rules of the world. i think there's a sense of, is this organization relevant? if there is a generally united front between the world's liberal democracies in how to strategically approach china, one that allows a working relationship, one that stands up for values, i think -- even if you take something like b 3w, the build back better world, the thing that was coined today by president biden to counter the chinese belt and road initiative, their attempt to invest in poorer countries, it's a nice slogan, a nice aspiration, but there's nothing substantive behind it. that, again, makes me think that it's a step forward where the west is, and i think that president biden has probably succeeded in bringing the

europeans a bit more together because they've been very divided on how to handle china and perhaps a bit tougher than some of them wanted to be. but we're still a long way from a strategically coherent approach for how to deal with the world's rising power of the 21st century. i don't think we're there yet. that's the real test of whether this alliance of liberal democracies actually adds up to something really substantive. >> zanny minton-beddoes, thank you. ben rhodes, thank you. your book is called "after the fall, being american in the world we've made." and i really recommend it. it is a fascinating tour of the world and very well written as everything you do is. ♪ welcome back ♪ ♪ to that same old place that you laughed about ♪ -- human beings gained an extra life. the wonderful author stephen johnson will explain what he means when we come back.

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>> thank you. great to be back. >> so what you talk about as the big achievement between the two great pandemics, the spanish influenza and this current one, is something again that we don't think a lot about, which is that the life span, the average life span of a human being has doubled. how did that happen? >> it's an amazing story, and it's a story about humanity. it's a global story. global life expectancy now is about 72, and a century ago it was half that. that was partially because, up until that point, for really the whole history of civilization, even going back to hunter/gatherers, 40% of children died out of adulthood. two out of five of your kids would die. that was the average. someone who made it to adulthood would expect to live about 60 years. some people lived older. the overall life span was much shorter, and childhood was the

most dangerous phase of your life until you get very old. in about 100 years, depending on how you measure it, we radically changed that experience. we forgot about this because we have a short peoplery and because progress in health is measured in a weird bibi non-events, by things that didn't happen. you didn't get small pox when you were 2 or die of cholera when you were 5. we don't think of those things because they're non-events. they didn't happen. yet all of us are beneficiaries of this incredible advance. i was trying to go back and look at what are kind of the big drivers with this momentous change. >> you point out that sometimes these things are not some kind of single brilliant invention of a vaccine or something like that, but when you look at something like cholera, it's hygiene. it's water supply, things like

that. >> one of the most important advances was the purification of the drinking water systems. it was in the middle of the 19th century and cities around the world, it was extremely dangerous to drink water, and to drink milk, too. that was another big factor in all of this. before we had major medical breakthroughs, creating a safe supply of drinking water, that was a ij ma or advance. and other basic forms of sanitation, washing your hands and things like that, that people didn't really understand until we understood the germ theory of disease. it's basic infrastructure as much as it is medicine or taking a pill or going in to see the doctor that makes the difference. >> explain the milk one, the pasturization. that's another extraordinary thing. i didn't realize drinking milk used to be a very dangerous things. >> one of the things i tried to do with this in both the book and the show is to create really

compelling narratives about these things, because they heroic stories. we need to celebrate these kinds of stories. milk is an amazing example of this. milk in the middle of the 19th century was very difficult. you could get tuberculosis from it. we didn't have refrigeration so milk would spoil, particularly in big cities where you had to bring it in to the metropolitan area. in new york since 60% of all deaths were children. a lot of that had to do with drinking contaminated milk. louie pasture in 1865 invented the technique of pasturization which is now a word on every milk chardon that you buy. what's fascinating about it is while he did invent this technique to make milk safe, and there was a scientific advance crucial to this story, it took 50 years for pasturized milk to become the standard in a grocery store in the united states.

that's because the science on its own wasn't enough. it took activists. it was a political struggle to get pasturized milk to become the standard. it involved persuading people to drink it, persuading the milk industry to manufacture it. there were legal reforms. that fight, when we see big changes in human health, it's a combination of science and activism that really makes a difference. >> so from the perspective of your book, would you say that when you look at this pandemic, the really big news, the news that will live in history is the development of these extraordinary mrna vaccines and the speed with which they've been developed? >> yeah. i think we will remember the tragedy of the pandemic and the lives lost and the turmoil and economic disruption. but in terms of the long arc of

human health, the speed and efficacy of the new vaccines is just such an extraordinary breakthrough. the analogy i always make is it took us four years just to identify the virus that causes aids in the early '80s, not to mention developing a vaccine which we still don't have for aids. we isolated and shared the genome of the coronavirus within two or three weeks of it first being discovered, and then we were able to build the basic model of the mrna vaccines just a few days after that. and that just -- just imagine this crisis where it takes us four years just to figure out what the virus is, much less start thinking about vaccines. it is an enormous breakthrough. >> stephen johnson, great book, great show. thank you for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me on. next on gps, benjamin

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if all goes as expected, it will be a truly historic day in israel. the kin net set is meeting now to consider what is likely the country's next government, a coalition cobbled together with people and parties from all across the political spectrum. as i've said before, it seems they have one thing in common, a dislike for the sitting president bibi netanyahu. if this new coalition is voted

in today, bibi will no longer be prime minister. martin indyk is a two dr time ambassador to israel and former special envoy for israeli and palestinian negotiations. martin, let me ask you the question i think everyone has. this coalition comes together. given how disspar rat it is, the prime minister to be will move to do some of the things his base wants, which will be to further strengthen the annexation of israeli settlers in the west bank. that will outrage the israeli arabs who are part of this coalition, the far left wing parties. they will then protest. it could trigger a no confidence vote. is the coalition as fragile as it seems? >> well, good morning, fareed. i think the party is an important one, it is a coalition

that adheres because it's against netanyahu, but it's a coalition that stretches from the far left to the far right. and, as you mentioned, includes for the first time in israel's history, an arab party, not just any arab party but an arab islamist party. because it's made up of this party across the political spectrum, they essentially cancel each other out. if they don't hang together, they will hang separately. so i think that with netanyahu leading the opposition, he still provides the glue that will hold this coalition together. as bennett has said, he'll have to forego his dreams in favor of focusing on the consensus issues that i think this government can work on together, which is recovering from the pandemic, focusing on social issues,

focusing on the needs of the arab sector in particular. so they've got enough to do in common to give them some life. >> you said that in a sense the specter of bibi's return could keep this coalition together. now, bibi netanyahu is probably the leader of the opposition. we'll see how it plays out over the next few weeks, but there is this issue about his indictment and possible conviction. give us a sense of the timeline. he's been under indictment for years now, but will this resolve itself any time soon? >> well, the wheels of justice including especially israeli justice, move exceedingly slow, so i think it will be some time. now that he's no long eng prime minister, he'll have time to focus on the trial which is

going on at the moment. he's charged with bribery and breach of trust, serious crimes he's been indicted for. there are some in the likud party talking about challenging his leadership. if he decides to stay on, and i think he will, i think that he will be able to survive those challenges, and he will be out there creating as much problem as possible for the coalition. and there is some immediate challenges that he will be highlighting. for example, there's an illegal outpost that went up during his last few months as prime minister that he did nothing to remove, placing a kind of land mine for the future government. the removal of that illegal settlement, built on palestinian land, will require the prime minister, neftali bennett, to go

against his settler ways. nah will be the first test, but not the only test coming at this government that netanyahu will amplify. >> and what about the israeli palestinian issue in general? does it stay paralyzed? is there possibility of movement? where do you see things heading? >> neftali bennett, the prime minister, is the strongest proponent of annexation of the west bank and the strongest opponent of an independent palestinian state in this government. as he said, he's going to forego his dreams. his focus in the past has been what he calls autonomy on steroids. that is designed to -- i think his idea is to boost the quality of life for palestinians, to give them greater economic

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now for the last look. the flood of people trying to enter the u.s. from its southern border looks like a problem with no solution. president biden's more generous approach seems to be inadvertently encouraging many more people to come. so biden has put kamala harris in charge of stopping migration at the source. this week the vice president began those efforts with a visit

to guatemala and mexico. the centerpiece of the administration's strategy is $4 billion in proposed aid to improve conditions in central america so people won't want to leave. it's essentially a return to the obama strategy which many critics say didn't work. much of that money was wasted on useless projects and administrate ive overhead even migration to the u.s. continued unabated. defenders say -- we are thinkin about this the wrong way according to michael clemons in a new foreign affairs article. to understand what's happening in central america, consider the case of mexico. millions of mexicans poured into the u.s. from 1970 to 2010. that was actually a period of economic growth in mexico. it turns out as people got a bit more money and education, they became more likely to leave,

particularly young men. they heard ability opportunities for a better life. economic growth was helping drive 'em grags. as poor countries get richer, people tend to have fewer children. mexico's birth rate plummeted over the same period. that had a delayed impact, because it takes years for babies to grow up and join the workforce. gradually there was less and less competition for jobs. 'em grags to the u.s. began to taper off. in fact, over the last decade, more mexicans left the u.s. to go back to mexico than left mexico to the united states. clemons believes guatemala, honduras and el salvador, mechanics quo's neighbors to the south, are on the same path. they're still in the transition phase where rising incomes are enabling people to leave while the effects of falling birth rates haven't been felt yet, but they are starting to.

the population of young workers is dropping or leveling off in those countries. the long-term trend suggests this crisis will largely solve itself. clemons points out that short-term disasters can also spur waves of migration. indeed there's been a huge influx from mexico during the pandemic as its economy tanked and resources were redirected from fighting crime to fighting covid. two recent hurricanes have pushed people to leave central america. if the goal is to stench the flow of migrants, aid would be better spent on human starn relief than economic development, temporary assistance to help people through emergencies. in the long run, what the region needs more most according to a study by the wilson center isn't financial assistance from the u.s., but better governance at home. you can't make much progress on poverty, gang violence, education or health care if you don't have basic rule of law. that's harder for america to

provide, but it has some tools at its disposals. washington got guatemala and honduras to accept international anti-corruption commissions which helped prosecute more than 1,500 people and took down guatemala iesz president. the trump administration allowed those extradite criminals to face prosecution in the u.s. america can also support media and ngos that hold officials accountable. reducing migration isn't as easy as flipping a switch or building a wall. part of the solution involves long overdue reforms to the u.s. immigration system but much depends on the region itself and the long-term demographic trends actually look good. with thoughtful strategy and persistent engagement the u.s. can get this problem under control. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week.

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hello, everyone, thank you for joining me this sunday, i'm fredricka whitfield. right now president joe biden is heading to brussels for the nato summit after wrapping up the g-7 # in england before his departure. he was welcomed by queen elizabeth at windsor castle for afternoon tea. ♪ >> biden is the 13th u.s. president to meet with the now 95-year-old monarch, the meeting

also marking the queen's first major engagement since the passing of prince philip in april. as biden moves into the nato summit, which starts tomorrow, all eyes are on his face to face meeting on wednesday with russian president vladimir putin. biden agreeing this morning with putin's earlier remarks that the u.s. relationship with russia is as bad as it's ever been. >> let me make it clear, i think he's right it's a low point. and it depends on how he responds to acting consistent with international norms. which in many cases he has not. >> cnn's jeff zeleny is in brussels for us right now. jeff, what kind of expectations are being set for this biden and putin meeting? this after really a very warm reception during the g-7 and what appeared to be a very comfortable lovely setting at

windsor castle as well. >> reporter: well, fredricka, certainly an extraordinary set of pictures from windsor castle there as we saw queen elizabeth welcoming president biden and first lady jill biden, capping off several days in england. the softer diplomacy side of his trip here. but he is coming to brussels, he'll be arriving here this evening and will be at nato tomorrow, really stressing the military alliance and continuing on his theme with america is back. of course, turning the page from the trump era. but it is that putin summit in geneva switzerland on wednesday that the white house and the president are focusing the most on. and earlier today president biden was asked directly about why he does not believe that he should hold a press conference with putin so the two being -- standing side by side in geneva. this is how he explained his relationship with putin. >> as i told him when i was running, when i got elected, before i was sworn in, that i was going to find out whether or

not he, in fact, did engage in trying to interfere in our election, that i was going to take a look at whether he was involved in the cybersecurity breach that occurred, et cetera. and if i did i was going to respond. i did. i checked it out. so i had access to all the intelligence. he was engaged in those activities. i did respond, and made it clear that i'd respond again. this is not a contest about who can do better in front of a press conference or try to embarrass each other. it's about making myself very clear what the conditions are to get a better relationship of are with russia. >> so clearly outlining some of the discussion points, including election interference, the president being pretty clear right there about how he does believe that russia has had a hand in that as well the wave of recent cyberattacks. the question is can they form

any type of stable relationship? that's what the white house and the administration is wondering, if russia wants to be a player on the world stage in a respectable way. so, of course, there will be a series of meetings on wednesday but there will not be that joint press conference and of course we all remember from three summers ago, in helsinki, when the former president donald trump standing side by side with vladimir putin and taking his side over u.s. intelligence officials. so tomorrow there is the nato summit, of course, and an eu summit on tuesday, but again, all planning and preparations and eyes are on geneva for that summit with the vladimir putin and fed reca a few moments ago as the president was leaving england he talked just briefly about his meeting inside windsor castle for about an hour or so, he called the queen very generous and gracious. he even said she reminded him of his mother and her look and her generosity. so certainly some interesting descriptions there, but of course the 95-year-old queen. he is the 13th american president who she has met, 12

during her reign as queen, of course harry truman in 1951 when she was a princess. what a long legacy there, but certainly mr. bind who is steeped in history is so pleased to be a part of that club. >> what a great compliment and he and dr. jill biden looking so comfortable there in that very beautiful setting. even seemed like there were moments where the president, you know, wanted to defer to just being a gentleman, reaching out, but of course there are the rules of don't ever touch the queen. but he looked like he wanted to, you know, help her down the steps, even. but she also seemed to be quite delighted about their presence. all right jeff zeleny, thanks so much, appreciate that. so biden also indicated today that he is open to exkmanging cybercriminals with russia amid recent ransomware attacks. >> yes, i'm open to, if there's crimes committed against russia, that, in fact, are -- the people committing those crimes bein