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but in truth, mostly as a shoutout to early diagnosis, to urge women to get all the regular skreens ever screenings and scans you can, to listen to your bodies and to make sure your legitimate medical concerns are not dismissed or diminished. >> we love you and we offer all support to you and your family. courage defines you. it has your entire career and it does now. we have no doubt you will fight and win this battle. we love you. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. >> she wins by fighting. it is so characteristic of her to use something that ordinarily would consume many. us. the last they know you're thinking is other people and that's where her head and heart takes her. that's why she is a legend. coop, thank you for letting people know. president biden trumped the last guy on the world stage today at the nato summit. listen to this.
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>> the leadership of the republican party is fractured. >> i think it is a shock and surprise that what has happened in terms of the consequence of president trump's phony populism has happened. and it is disappointing that so many of my republican colleagues in the senate, who i know know better have been reluctant to take on, for example, an investigation because they're worried about being primaried. >> on the world stage, biden blames phony populism for undercutting an insurrection investigation, and called out irrational resistance on the right like this. have you heard the latest from senator ron johnson? rioters on january 6th weren't rioting. they were staying within the
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roped lines and were in a jovial mood. so no one breached the capitol? the trump appointed fbi director did not call it an act of terror? trumpers and putin, another topic at nato, seem to back each other. listen to putin. >> they came to the congress with political demands. isn't that persecution political opinions? >> first, irony. putin saying that this was okay. can you imagine what he would have had done to people attacking the kremlin as they did the capitol? look. the play that the right is too quick to comfort not just putin but his play book is an interesting one. take a look at senate minority later on mcconnell. what did he defend today? the secret seizure of personal records of fellow members of congress by trump's doj.
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listen. >> our colleagues are among the same democrats who spent years demanding repeated investigations of a republican president while turning a blind eye to the clear abuses of power that infected the investigation of his campaign. so any outrage from democrats that allege criminal leaks within their own ranks rightly drew the attention of federal investigators ranks hollow. that they have taken to task former attorney general bill barr over investigative decisions that occurred when he wasn't there yet. the witch hunt in the making. >> so the first thing for you to remember is this. mcconnell just showed you the game. i'm not going to take offense to something that i would if democrats did it, because i don't believe they police their own the way i would like them to. so even if the investigation
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that i'm referring to, that i don't like what they did with it is nothing compared to what we're looking at now. i won't have a principled position. that's the game. hate the other side, blame the other side, and that's enough. the position is opposition. i'm against them. that's the game. and look, we know the fact. i don't like that they're going after bill barr. of course you don't. of course you don't. he played the game, too. he hooked up president trump for you. barr reordered gag orders. fact. demanded leak investigations be continued. fact. it doesn't matter if he likes the people looking at barr with a scrutinious eye or not. the real may is for mcconnell to squash any real probe about anything that happened about anything that could be dangerous to his own power, okay?
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so he can't have you look at the department of justice. he can't have you look at january 6th. those could be bad for him. there is no shame in his game. that's why i don't get why you people, especially in the media, find it shocking that he threatened again to block another potential supreme court nominee. if there is a vacancy in biden's term and it happens when mcconnell is in control of the senate. listen. >> i think in the middle of a presidential election, if you have the senate of the opposite party of president, you have to go back to the 1880s to find the last time a vacancy was filled. i think it is highly unlikely. if you're back as the republican leader, i hope you are, and a democrat retires at the end of 2023, that would be the anthony kennedy precedent would. they get a fair shot?
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not a radical but a normal main stream liberal? >> we will have to wait and see what happens. >> b.s. there is no wait and see. you know exactly what would happen because you've seen the play before. he will lie if he's in the minority and say, you know, this is wrong, what they're doing to us. then if he's in the majority, he will do exactly. that like did he with merrick garland. lie, then deny, then defy and do whatever is good for you and smile all the way through it. that is game. biden is calling out the game. good! here's the real test. can he and/or the democrats do anything about it? let's take question to a better mind. senate democrat jeff merkley from oregon. good to see you as always. >> great to see you. >> i'm sure you don't like what mcconnell was saying today. but talk to us about it in the
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context of what you can do about what you don't like. >> well, you're absolutely right. i don't lying it at all. it was not that long ago that i was on the floor for 15 hours saying, don't steal a supreme court seat. never before in our history has the senate failed to hold a debate and a vote on a nominee, including during an election year. always, always happened. that's our responsibility. so here we are with the mcconnell saying previously, he's proud in life having stolen a seat from president obama and he'll happily do it again, and the damage to the court is enormous. it turns it into a warfare, a partisan warfare. we already have plenty of politics around the court but he's put this on steroids. an order of magnitude more intense now, the partisan of the
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court, and stacking it with federalist society members. we can make sure that mcconnell is not in the majority in '23 and '24. his party reward him for it to the deep, deep damage of the supreme court so he feels comfortable now extenting on that model whenever he gets a chance to do so. >> are you in favor of going to some of the older, they're all pretty old except for a couple of new conservatives, going to the judges, and ones appointed by democrats and saying, you should retire now. and let us fill the vacancies, and then try to make a power play if you can get your own members on board? >> well, i'll tell you. i'm not comfortable doing that because i don't think the senate should be telling the members of the supreme court when they should retire in terms of the separation of power. my secret heart is that some
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members, particularly the 82-year-old steven breyer, will maybe have that thought on his own. that he should not let his seat be subject to a potential theft. that that was not the kind of damage he would like to see happen to the court. but it is not in my place. not the senate's place to carry that message. >> decorum aside, separation of powers doesn't mean you can't make a request. and as beloved as she is among democrats and many who respect the supreme court, rbg, the notorious, although there was nothing notorious about justice ginsburg, may she rest in peace, with reflection, do you wish she had decided to retire during the obama administration? >> 100%. and i wish that her illness had not taken her life when did it and she made it a few months longer. i'm sure in her final thinking,
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she was probably hoping she could hold on. and that's not the way the world worked out. and so it's delivered a court now stwakd federalist society members. to sum it up, that means court members will be leading a court that believes in corporations over consumer interests, and voting rights, you name it. it is not a we the people philosophy. it is we corporate power philosophy. that is so damaging to the vision of a nation founded on the idea that power flows up from the people. not down from the powerful. and i am really sfunld the society members, particularly the originalists, there were no corporations that look anything like modern corporation. they have so twisted that to give themselves this false facade. so i certainly wish we could
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have filled that seat that ruth bader ginsburg had retired a little earlier. i wish that for steven breyer. but i won't be calling him up and asking him to do so. >> the difference between your side and the other side. either you play to your advantage or you don't. let me check a couple of other boxes while i have you. one, the talking filibuster. everybody wants to know what you have with biden only. biden isn't your obstacle. it's manchin. have you gone to senator joe manchin and said let's keep the filibuster but let's put back the old rules so it is not an inexhaustible effort? >> i did briefings for every mental of my caucus that talk about these different strategies, to restore this broken instrument. this is the no debate version of obstruction. >> any buy-in? >> so, since then i haven't had
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conversations with him about it. he did speak publicly at some point and said he supported the talking filibuster. it makes sense that those who want to obstruct have to show up and have to be speaking on the floor of the senate to earn that right to a delay. >> so why don't you do it? >> i certainly think it is one of our potential pathways. the path way to overcoming this no effort, no show obstruction on something as important as voting rights will be whatever path way 50 senators can agree on in a room. and maybe it's the center conversion. every few days it goes down from 60 to 58. maybe it is the 1973 version where the senate decided it would take the deficit out of the control of the filibuster. aren't voting rights as important -- >> you have many different iterations of it. if manchin's version, is i won't vote to get rid of it.
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he never said he wouldn't modify it. i don't understand the delay here among democrats. time is of the essence for you guys to get something done. you're going to go into the mid-terms hobbled. >> there are a lot of conversations taking place. time is evam rating very, very quickly. >> one quick thing, on the right they say, hey, slow down. wait for the i.g. report on the doj and then we'll decide if we need to talk to anybody. do you semithat? >> no. i would like to see us go forward with a really robust investigation. yes, i.g. can accelerate their report. this idea that a president used instruments of power to spy on members of congress is something every member of congress should revolt over. i think about nixon using his campaign instruments to spy on members.
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but this is a president using the actual powers of the executive branch, which is so much more corrupt, worse. so let's find out. let's find out the details. what did the grand jury hear that led to this? is there some legitimate explanation? or is this a profound abuse of power which i suspect it is. >> the best asset you have, or really we have here, many of the top people involved are still in the doj. which means they should cooperate with the i.g. senator jeff merkley, i look forward to hearing anything comes with this. i appreciate hearing what's going on on the democrat side. >> be well. >> i will. trust the plan. have you spend a yet? online? that's what the qanon kooks
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built their plan around. now the feds are giving a warning that the danger some of the kooks may pose in the aftermath of the attack on the capitol. why do i call them kooks? they deserve no respectful there is no truth and they have acted only in the way of animus. they get no almost from me. do they get respect from the fbi? we'll see. andrew mccabe next. priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60%. these are all great. and when you get a big deal... you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal. that's why at america's beverage companies,
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all right. we have breaking news that will help us understand, i think, something that we just lived there. all right? so first on cnn, an unclassified report from the fbi warning lawmakers, qanon conspiracy theorists may carry out more acts of violence. why? because the digital soldiers are disenchanted with the lack of progress and the lack of
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delivery on the bs that has been fed to them. let's bring this andrew mccabe. good to see you, andy, welcome. my question is, the report was first requested in december before the january 6th. does that make january 6th an intel failure? because they had reason to look and then they disregarded the social media messaging and the days leading up to january 6th? is it an intel failure because they didn't take it seriously enough soon enough in the days before that maybe it would have helped them stop it? >> it could very well could be. they didn't actually produce a product in december when it was asked of them. it would be interesting to know what that product would have been. what the conclusions about qanon and more broadly, trump supporters and their propensity
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to trump supporter would have been. i suspect the fbi thinks very differently about those groups today than they can in december. in any case, this report delivered now after it was requested, indicates the fbi realizes they are watching a train about to crash, right? these koounl supporters, they believe very deeply in this, whatever you want to call it, movement, philosophy, whatever it is. some of them are become disillusioned by the repeated failures of q's predictions. others, disillusioned with q will maintain their beliefs and march forward and try to carry out these acts of violence against this infamous cabal that they are talking about. i don't know that anyone has an acceptable answer. >> do you think trump could stop it?
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>> it would help. quite frankly, it would help if trump -- i think it would help if all the republican politicians who refuse to call this out for the absolute fraud pits would step up and take on responsibility and try to do something to mitigate this threat. every time trump kind of breaths more life into these lies, and republican politicians on the hill don't call it out for what it is, they validate these people's belief. it gives them a wink and a nod to go forward and it is just encouraging the bad state of affairs that we're in. >> brother mccabe, thank you for the quick hit and the understanding. i appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> so here's a question for you. almost rhetorical. why would any lawmaker be against looking into what could still pose a threat? the answer should be, they shouldn't. we will ask a house committee member who voted against a january 6th commission.
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why isn't he more outraged that two of his committee members had their records secretly seized by an equal branch of government. this man has been outspoken about how we investigate citizens. chris stewart, next! tonight...i'll be eating crab cakes with spicy aioli. (doorbell rings) thank you. can we be besties, simone biles? i guess? yessss! should we dismount now?
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>> i think the american people should be scared to death of this. >> being investigated by the government. >> now we've learned, probably should have kept more of an eye on these qanon could nonspiracy. 20 of whom were arrested. that used to extend to rt roers, professional staffers, does it anymore? i'm with chris stewart from utah. >> to see you. >> good to be with you. >> so the question is, let's deal with where your concerns lie. what we learned from this unclassified report from the fbi about qanon conspiracyists. does that concern you? >> of course it does. i have to go back to the lead into the introduction in the break, why are not some people
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like me more outraged. you don't know if i'm outraged or not. >> so tell me. >> i've been very consistent on this. the powers of the federal government should not be abused against u.s. persons. whether they're members of congress or not members of congress, members of the press or not members of the press. i've been very consistent with that. if there is a reason for investigation, and apparently there is, i would support finding out the truthful what were these powers abused? and if they were abused, we should prog and punish those who are responsible for it. so again i think you expect me to say, well, no, let's only do it when it works for the political advantage. that's not my view. i think we should be consistent. >> no. i expect to you say not much because it's about your side. and if, if it were about democrats, i think you would say a lot. to my point you've known about this d.o.j. situation for a while. you've been measured and said, let's see what we learn.
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i do not remember you being that measured when it was being done to republicans that was at issue. were very forthright about it. i'm not saying it is right or wrong. i'm just saying it's different. >> and i'm telling you it is simply not different. i'm talking to you tonight. this has only been in the public view a few days and i will here talking about it now. i'm being consistent and you can measure my rage on the rage-o-meter. we can be consistent regarding which side it is. >> i think that's fair and i don't see you as rager. one of the reasons i appreciate having you on the showcy believe that you're measured. when it comes to your concern about the qanon conspiracyists, here's my concern about your concern. the only real check we have is members of your party calling out things that feed them. do you believe you've done enough to disaabuse of the notion that's trump may get
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reinstated? i can't find you talking about it. sf the resalt i can't address every conspiracy theory out this and i know absolutely nothing about qanon. i think some people. do they're obviously in the media to some degree but i don't follow them at all. i don't have responsibility with that. just like i don't have responsibility to speak on everything that antifa says or any other political point says. but this is what we can agree on. and again, i think you're trying to put some sort of measure on this. i don't know how you would pass that test. i think your former guest made a fair point, what do you do about it? what do you do about anticipated violence? you can't stop it before it happens. you can discourage it but you can't arrest people because you're afraid they may be violent. >> i agree. >> and by the way, this isn't just one side. when rand paul was attacked by
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his neighbor, when it was finally admitted, this is an attack on a republican baseball field, people were shot. it doesn't matter where the source of the violence. is it is always wrong and it should always be dealt with. >> congressman, i agree. except i believe you are bringing up a balancing print where there need not be one. you could say, trump is not getting reinstated. there is no congressional or constitutional mechanism form. it will never happen. it shouldn't be said. it should not be thought about. you could say that. >> could i. but there are all sorts of things out there that are ridicu ridiculous. >> but that's the big one. they keep moving the date, but you don't weigh in because you say there are too many things to worry about. >> i'm never going to weigh in on qanon. i don't care what they are, what
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they say. they're a small part of some society somewhere. they haven't moved any political needle here at all. and there are hundreds of groups just like they will. and i don't weigh this on them either. why they're elevating this, they don't deserve that at all. >> we've elevated qanon. you putting one of them in your ranks and going after cheney is a problem. >> i'm happy to have that debate with you. >> it's not a debate, brother. you put both arms around marjorie taylor greene. that's what you did. >> no, i didn't. i didn't vote for her in her district. >> did you vote to have her removed from the committees? >> i actually did. and the people, just like did i with some other members, including is that other republican members. i've been consistent on this. the voters in her district voted
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for her. we're troubled by some of the things she said i feel the same way about her that i think the democrats should feel about ilhan omar. there are members in congress that say things that are frankly outrageous. they should be held accountable for those things. they don't reflect the best hearts and minds of america. >> i do find it curious that i say qanon, you say antifa. do you see what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> it the defense of your own by attacking the other. do you see that? >> of course it is. which is why you do that. which is why i did it. >> you did it. >> we both did it. and by at this wargs how much more damage has been done by antifa versus qanon? how many -- how many nights of riots did we see night after night after night in portland and seattle and other places. they didn't attack the capitol
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but they attacked federal courthouses again and again and again. >> do you think that's the same as attacking the u.s. capitol? hunting you, by the way? and an insurrection that trump led called an act of terror which is the only act of terror i've never seen you jump on? >> i think it is at least as bad. >> listen to this. $2 billion damage. dozens killed in these riots and you're discounting it completely. >> no, i'm not. >> then you tell me which is worse. >> attacking the u.s. capitol and an insurrection. >> why is that worse? riots night after night after night. why is that worse? >> i'll answer it. because it was a coup attempt. and it was called an act of terror and none of the other criminal acts which is what i believe when a protester touches property or touch as person, they are no longer a protester. they are a rioter, a criminal.
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every time that happened on the west coast or anywhere else, it was criminal activity. they were not called acts of terror. this was and you won't even investigate it. >> i believe people see the billions in damage, people killed, they consider that at least as dangerous as the one event on january 6th. >> the one event. if this had happened the other way around. if this were antifa at the u.s. capitol, you would have wanted to start a civil insurrection against them rooting them out. it would be all you guys would be talking about and everything would you demand with biden and you won't even investigate this. >> you keep projecting all these things as if you can read my mind. >> did you say you don't want a january 6 commission. >> i've been consistent on this. we should investigate and we
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should denounce all of it. >> you turned down a commission, did you not? >> yeah. i did. because it was very clear that there was no intention for that to be fair. >> explain that. my understanding was they gave you everything you wanted. >> that's not true at all. i want to finish my thought. and also because. very thing that we're talking about here. because one side, in this case, a democratic side and much of the media said the only thing worth investigating is january 6th. we said no, no, no. we've gone through aier of violence and chaos. you should investigate those as well. no, be going to do that. and i think you should investigate both. which is as i've said, i've been very consistent. investigate and hold accountable both. >> but they are not even close to equal. the fbi called one a terrorist act. knock yourself out. i look forward to covering the
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hearings. why would you want to put anything on even footing with what happened on january 6th? >> well, look. the fbi from time to time makes mistakes. i'll give an example. surely you are not going to say they're impervious to error. we know that's not true. >> hold on. if you're asking a journalist to own the perfection of a government agency, you're talking to the wrong guy. >> the fbi for years said the attack on the republicans at the baseball practice was suicide by cop. that's absolutely absurd. he went there targeting republicans. he had their names in his pockets. he had targeted and scouted this out for weeks. if you want to commit suicide by cop, you go shoot a cop. that's one example of where the fbi clearly got it wrong in how
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they designated the crime. so for them -- >> okay. i semiyour position. >> thank you. but to say january 6 was an act of terror but these others aren't, if that's what they said -- >> not other things. you've made one example. i don't know what they were acting on. i would gladly hear it if you want to bring it forward. the idea of not looking at january 6 because they won't investigate antifa seems like really brazen politics. one was looking to get and you happening mike pence and the other was an outgrowth for social and systemic justice and people became criminal. if you touch property or people, you're not a protester. you're a criminal. then you get arrested and prosecuted. >> i think an attack on the judicial system is just like an attack on the legislative branch.
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except you didn't have anybody going in and being chased, supposedly a guy you guys love. first responders, peace, 100 of them hurt. you don't even want to investigate. >> that's not -- for to you say something like people you supposedly love. >> don't you support the police? >> of course i do. so why did you incertain the word supposedly? >> you won't investigate the event. >> i think i've been really clear. the american people don't distinguish between an attack on the capitol -- >> i disagree. >> we agree to disagree. >> and we always will. that's why i welcome you to the show. i appreciate you doing it. congressman chris stewart. we'll be right back. as your business changes, the united states postal service is changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now.
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so the house and senate judiciary committees are demanding answers on the use of the d.o.j. to target trump's political opponents. the d.o.j. inspector general would be digging into it. shouldn't you wait for that until you do anything else? congress has its own oversight responsibility here. there is no mechanism and there
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is no suggestion that there is a formal process of when they do their job. now, we know that when they do their job, it often turns into a political mess. with an inspector general, they only have authority over people who are still at the d.o.j. very good because the people who are doing a lot of this work that has been reported on are still there. that's good. they do not have any of the attorneys general acting or otherwise who are in the big seat during the time. let's bring in someone who knows the realities and limitations of both investigatory angles. former fbi chief of koirmt espionage, peter strock. he has a book out, compromise. welcome back, sir. >> great to be here. >> let's do the dial heectic in reverse.
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let's reverse the argument for a second. which is, the democrats, you did carter page. 17 definite problems from is the instructor general. strzok, you were part of it. everybody does the same thing. you use the mechanisms to push your own agenda. fair criticism? >> fair criticism. what i point to is the end result. the investigations. fbi, whether through the fbi or under special counsel mueller, result in prosecutions or are they done? >> from part of to papadopoulos, mike flynn, all these guys who pled guilty in a court of law. that's what the ultimate proof in the pudding is. so i see this as the department have justice looking at violations in law to determine whether or not they occurred.
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the issue is whether or not the barr justice department, whether they found it was nothing wrong and reinvigorated to it pursue the president's enemies list. >> how do we know that it was the d.o.j. and not mueller specifically that put out these subpoenas? we just know they were grand jury subpoenas. we don't know who processed them through. is there a chance that mueller did it on and this is on him? >> we don't know. my strong sense is this was done by the justice department and the fbi. there are significant portions of the mueller report that are redacted but the public knows the contours of what mueller did. my belief and it is backed up by a lot of the reporting you're seeing, these are investigations of leaks of classified information. so i think this was barr's justice department and the fbi, not mueller. that's not to say there aren't potentially legitimate investigations here with you it
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is there's a real question as to whether they were improperly politicized. >> it was started by sessions and carried through by rosen stein and then came barr. so if you have any issue, it should be with them. >> well, this is some question whether or not the legal requirements were met. that's something the i.g. will find out. what is also important to find out, at some point the media reporting indicates, they determined there wasn't a case to be made. they looked at all the evidence and didn't think they could bring a case. there's some reporting that then attorney general barr came in and said nonsense. i'm going on bring in an outside personally hand picked appointee to take another look. to put the political finger on the scales of these investigations and redo them to come up with a solution that is more pleasing to president trump will.
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>> what is the chance is a.g. is too busy to know and that's why he can't control, who did it and why. he doesn't recall, he doesn't remember. this was all below him. >> i think that's nonsense. he is a very bright attorney. if you look at the statements and you parse them out, he is very careful to say things like, i was not aware of a request for these records while i was the attorney general. if you look at that like a legal statement, a legal contract, that doesn't exclude the possibility that he became aware of things once he was the attorney general that had been approved prior to his taking that office. so i don't believe for a second that he wasn't aware of what was going on in these leak investigations. and that he and his staff were not kept apprised on a routine basis. i guarantee that was happening. >> here's the good news. the people near the top of the
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food chain who did a lot of the work in oversight are still at the d.o.j. if we don't see them resign quickly in the next few days to get cover, they'll talk and we'll know answers of who knew what and when and why. i look forward to telling what you we should learn and what happened here. >> i look forward to it. another scare in the air. we've seen a big increase in people behaving badly at a minimum. this time the unruly passenger worked for the airline. so what happened here? why are there so many of these cases? right back with someone who saw firsthand and took action. next. vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate
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shingles? oh... you mean bill. allstate he's been a real pain. again with the bill... what? it looks like a face. ...hearing about it 24/7 is painful enough... i don't want to catch it. well, you can't catch shingles, but the virus that causes it may already be inside you. does that mean bill might have company? - stop. you know shingles can be prevented. shingles can be whaaaaat? yeah prevented. you can get vaccinated. oh, so... i guess it's just you, me and bill then. i'm making my appointment. bill's all yours... 50 years or older? get vaccinated for shingles today. people are traveling again. i say it's good. it's all good. i know we have more problems to come with the pandemic bust it's nice to see life returning to normal. except you know what happens with normal life? bad things. the tsa is now having to report on, you know, more than 2 million passengers, right?
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very good. friday, again sunday, for the first time since last spring. i dig it. what happens when people get back to life? they start doing bad things again. a jump in unruly passengers. they reported at least 3,000 cases. be nice if you can. did you hear about this one? not a customer. an offduty delta flight attendant commandeered the intercom on a friday night. he said he would take the plane down. passengers, flight attendants got him. one of the passengers who helped in the chaos joins us now. first of all, i appreciate you, brother. a scary thing for you to do, to take him down. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it.
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i think we can get kind of distracted with our head phones on and we don't realize what's going on around us. this was a gentleman standing in the bulk head talking to the flight attendants and i went up. i was sitting in row five. i went to go to the bathroom. he was standing there and said the bathroom is closed. that seemed strange to me but i didn't think much of it. i went to the back. when i sat down in my seat, there was an offduty pilot next to me and he was really concerned with what was happening up front. and the gentleman was wearing a bicycle helmet and a hoodie. i wasn't thinking much of it but this gentleman was expressing concern. he said he wanted to go up and see what's going on. i would help him and be his back-up. this gentleman got on the intercom and started talking about oxygen masks and prepare for putting on your oxygen mask.
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>> was he drunk? or did he seem under some time of illness? >> do you know what? i did not see him acting in a way that made me think he was on drugs. at first i thought he was part of the maintenance crew or something. he just seemed like he knew what he was doing. he knew his way around the bulk head and the cockpit. then as people started to get closer and the stewards were starting to get him to sit back down, it escalated and i realized something was clearly wrong here. then he started -- he went for the big door. the big door to get in and out of the airplane and that's when i personally sort of reacted to the people around me. we just grabbed this guy and took him down and just immobilized him so he couldn't take this plane down.
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>> how hard was it? it seemed like there was a group of you. how rageful did he become? >> he's a big strong guy. so it wasn't easy. and it took three or four of us. he started to choke out one of the flight attendants. we were grabbing him. and this one gentleman -- >> you did the right thing. >> i'm sorry? >> you did the right thing. . it was easy. and to me, we call you an am every ri-can. >> thank you. we'll be right back. at panera, we make dinner easy... and cheesy. order our delicious mac and cheese for dinner tonight
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all right. thank you very much for giving us the opportunity. it is now time for the big show. don lemon tonight with its star, d. lemon. >> you're right. good to see people out. we saw some folks this weekend. young people are partying. >> they were. we were jealous. we were jealous. >> good for they will. >> our

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