my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. good evening. there is breaking news from president joe biden, who is overseas, about what he thinks the consequences of his predecessor's hold on the republican party. and the fascinating, and very public, back and fwoorth he is having with russia's president vladimir putin. before the two meet, face to

face, in less than two days. ahead of that meeting, the president, today, talked about the threats to democracies around the world. sometimes, from within, and what he called phony populism. >> prove to the world, and to our own people, that democracy can, still, prevail against the challenges of our time. and deliver for the needs of our people. we have to root out corruption, that syphons off our strength. guard against those who would stoke hatred and division for political gain as phony populism. >> biden would return to that phrase, phony populism, while delivering a blunt reply to reporters' question about allies who may still be rattled by the capitol riot. and the hold the former president, still, has on his party. >> it is a shock, and surprise. that what's happened, in terms of the consequence of president trump's phony populism has --

has happened. and it is disappointing that so many of my republican colleagues, in the senate, who i know, know better, have been reluctant to take on, for example, an -- an investigation. because they are worried about being primaried. >> the president, also, gave his assessment of what he sees as the current-political calculus. that the republican party is, quote, vastly diminished in numbers, end quote. also, that party leadership is, in his words, fractured. but while the president spends much of his days with allies, sources tell cnn his mornings are spent in preparation for his meeting, wednesday, in swit switzerland with russia's vladimir putin. also, different, the importance that president biden placed on the survival of human rights in other countries. in this case, russian dissident, alexei navalny. >> navalny's death would be

another indication that russia has little-or-no intention, abiding by basic, fundamental, human rights. it would be a tragedy. it would do nothing but hurt his relationships with the rest of the world, in my view, and with me. >> while the words the president used may be striking commentary. it is imagery from the meeting that may send the greater message. embracing allies. strengthening of old bonds. talking up the importance and the history of the nato alliance. and again, a far-different scene than we saw with the previous president. who, also, shoved past the prime minister of a small-european country at a meeting of nato sending an unmistakable message to allies and adversaries, alike. i am joined now by our chief international correspondent, clarissa ward. so it's hard to oversee how different all this seems.

united states' role in nato. president biden warning about phony populism, as he called it. his criticism of vladimir putin. i'm wondering what the reaction's been among u.s. allies? >> the reaction has been exceptionally positive. from those 29 other nato-member states. the spanish prime minister calling joe biden's election an inspiration. saying that he is starting to deliver on some of what he promised. the secretary general of nato saying, in a very sort of typical, scandinavian, understated way, that it felt very different from how it did under president trump. who, of course, was frequently denigrating nato. president biden making it very clearly -- clear today that the u.s.'s commitment to the northern atlantic treaty was, in his words, unshakeable, rock solid. that, that mutual-defense treaty, article v, as well, was a sacred obligation. so a lot of people, very pleased to hear that, anderson. >> also, talk more, if you can,

about what president biden revealed, and didn't reveal tonight about how he is approaching this summit with putin. >> so, he said that he doesn't want to telegraph to the world's media, exactly, what his strategy is in terms of negotiating with president putin. but he did also seem to be sort of laying down the gauntlet or making it very clear. certain, key issues that he would be raising with the russian president, that he already knows are going to ruffle feathers. and particularly, of course, i am talking about alexei navalny, who you mentioned. the russian-opposition leader, who was poisoned with novichok back in august, who has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in a russian penal colony. in an interview with nbc news, president putin said he didn't really have a way of guaranteeing whether nal vi lives or dies while in custody. you heard, there, president biden's response to that. vowing to really hold feet to the fire and make it clear to

president putin that if he wants to be part of the international community, he needs to abide by international norms. >> is there an indication putin cares what u.s. thinks when it comes to cyberhacks or ransomware or anything, really? >> i don't think there is an indication that he cares what the u.s. thinks. but he is very strategic and very shrewd, president putin. and he certainly, i believe, does not want to see this relationship deteriorate further. it's been very costly for russia. particularly, this last raft of sanctions. and so, i do think that that's part of why both leaders are -- are having this summit. that they do believe there are certain avenues, limited and narrow they might be in scope, where potentially the two countries could work together, collaborate, on these issues that would hopefully prevent a further degradation of the relationship. i don't think anyone's expecting anything, hugely, positive to come out of it in terms of tangible deliverables.

but the hope is it will avert a crisis. >> clarissa ward, appreciate it. thank you. perspective now on the president's first trip abroad from our fareed zakaria. author of "ten lessons for a post-pandemic world." so, fareed, if president biden's goal was to -- the former president has made on nato and the global stage. was he successful? >> well, i think, in that, he was very successful. look, anderson. he came to the summit, with two things that were extraordinary. one, america's can-do reputation as a superpower was restored. don't ever underestimate the degree to which people are impressed by the vaccine drive. the united states has gone, from being the lagger in the world. that has been an impressive display of america's government. the second was 500-billion vaccines donated to the world.

that was an expression of american jgenerosity. so that whole -- you know, if you put those two together, it is such a different atmosphere from donald trump who was -- came to nato. complained about the cost of the new nato headquarters. complained about the fact other people weren't paying enough. threatened that he might even get out of nato. um, in those broad terms, anderson, it's night and day. >> i am wondering what you made of his return to the phrase, phony populism? >> i think he has been careful not to say very much about the -- the domestic side of this. but i think, you can tell he's getting frustrated by the fact that none of those republican senators, who he knows so well, have been willing to break with trump. and i think that it infects, you know, the negotiations going on over infrastructure. if affects everything else. and it -- it's a reminder that, you know, while joe biden is -- is president. he is trying to be a kind of bipartisan figure, in some ways. the country is, still, very

polarized and the republican party is, still, a wholly own subsidiary of donald trump. >> what is an attainable goal for this president, when he sits down with vladimir putin? i mean how -- how -- what is -- what is the bargaining power? >> yeah. well, let's be clear what the goal is. b because this is -- i think it's important to remember. nato is an alliance between the united states and major-european countries. you have had, in europe, the annexation by -- by one country of another country. russia's annexation of crimea. and in a sense, de facto annexation of other parts of ukraine. this is the first time you have had that since world war ii. the last state that did that was nazi germany. so this is a big, big deal. and that should be the central focus of biden's efforts. i understand he is -- you know, he said he wants to try and make nice with putin, in some senses. have a constructive relationship. all, for the good. but the simple focus of nato has

to be that russia must continue to pay a price for this. there must be support for ukraine and for poland and those other countries. and it strikes me as, you know, all the other stuff. the rise of china. all this is d-- is real and thee are long-term trends but we have a real challenge here with a country next to a country engaging in massive cyberhacking and cyberwar. and he needs to be tough on this one. >> the idea that putin will be on the level in his dealings with the united states. is there any evidence of that? i mean, not an honest broke issue. not necessarily going to change his ways. why even have an audience for the president of the united states? >> well, you know, you negotiate with your adversaries, most of the time. you know, you're not negotiating with your friends. so i certainly think it's worth meeting with him. but your -- but your general point is right. putin is not going to, suddenly, say, oh, you got me. we are going to stop doing all

this cyberhacking. or, you know, okay, i will get out of ukraine. what has to happen is he has to understand that the cost remains high. you know, nato and the european union are not going to throw in the towel. his -- i know this, anderson, because i actually talked to him act this very specific issue. which is -- his -- i am -- i am talking about vladimir putin. i have had the opportunity to meet him. his goal. his strategy is that the west will tire of the sanctions against russia. he believes european countries, like italy, like france, are desperate to do business with russia. they want to -- you know, as they fuel their recovery. what biden has to convince them is that the west is united in this. and that as long as he continues to occupy ukraine, he is not going to be able to do -- have business as usual with any of europe's great economies. >> this interview with nbc the other day. putin laughed off the idea that president biden once called him a killer. our colleague, jeff zeleny,

asked president biden about that today. he essentially doubled down, though he didn't use the word killer. how fraught is the relationship between our two countries? especially, compared to, you know, how it was under the former president? >> i think, in some ways, what we have now is a more-adult relationship. which is to say, we have real differences with russia. as i said, russia is the principal kind of spoiler, rogue power on the world stage. if you look at ukraine, if you look at syria, if you look at cyberspace. we need to have a -- i wouldn't say a confrontational -- but a tough relationship with russia that makes clear that these -- these behaviors, at all levels, are unacceptable. i think under trump, we had a bizarre relationship. where the government of the united states, for example, in providing arms to ukraine. was being fairly tough on -- on russia. the president of the united states, meanwhile, was literally siding with the -- the successor to the kgb and its intelligence

analysis, versus america's own-intelligence agencies. so, you just have to look at that and say what the hell is going on? so we don't have that kind of weird cognitive dissonance in dealing with russia. what we have is a more-adult relationship. tough, firm, determined. i mean, i, myself, wish we didn't get into the n name calling, you know, with -- with putin as a killer and such. but biden is trying to convey, correctly, that he has no illusions about putin or russia but he still wants, as he says, stable and predictable relations with him. >> fareed zakaria, appreciate it. still to come. congress woman marjorie taylor greene comparing the house mask mandate to the holocaust. we will tell you what she is saying now and what she didn't. later, a democratic member of congress whose records were attained in a still mysterious leak investigation, joins us. we will talk about the latest revelations and how much we still don't know.

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breaking news from washington tonight. the congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, from georgia, apologized tonight for her statements comparing house-mask mandates and vaccination passports to the holocaust. this, after she toured the holocaust museum in washington, late today. cnn's ryan nobles joins us now, from the capitol. so, not much was known, beforehand, about her trip to the holocaust museum. what did she say afterwards? >> this came as a big surprise particularly because she doubled down on these comments shortly after she made them about a month ago. so the idea she would tour the holocaust museum, and then apologize about making those remarks, were just something we didn't expect. and she was very contrite. but we should also point out there were some controversial comments that she refused to take back. let's take a listen to a little bit of what she said today. >> anti-semitism is true hate. and i saw that today, at the holocaust museum. and i think it's something that

we should, all, remember and never forget. so, i just wanted to come here today. and -- and say that i am truly sorry for offending people with remarks about the holocaust. there's no comparison. there never, ever will be. you know, socialism is extremely dangerous. and so is communism and anytime a government moves into policies, where there's more control and there's freedoms taken away. yes, that's a danger for everyone. and -- and i think that's something that we should, all, be weary of. >> so, the second part of that answer, anderson, was in response to a question about whether or not she would, also, take back her comments comparing the national-socialist party of the nazi era, to the modern-democratic party. you could see, that she refused to take that step. so while she was very contrite. said she was -- you should never compare anything to the holocaust. there were several other controversial statements that she wasn't ready to apologize for, today. >> so, i mean, i -- i was about

to say i give her props for apologizing, which is not something you hear a lot from, you know, the qanon types of the world, of which she has been a supporter, in the past. but she's still not backing away or apologizing for comparing the, you know -- one of the two main political parties in the united states, comparing them to nazis. >> that's exactly right, anderson. and you mention the qanon conspiracy which she, in the past, has endorsed and consorting with folks that believe that conspiracy theory. i specifically asked her about that. there are qanon supporters who deny the holocaust and i asked her to denounce that group, their disinformation they spread. not just having to do with people of the jewish faith but in general. that, that should be something she should disassociate herself from and she claimed she knew nothing about the qanon conspiracy, which is clearly not true. >> right and also, qanon is

based on age-old anti-semitic tropes, anti-cath olic tropes. you know, there is an idea of a cabal. a global cabal of, you know, jewish bankers. it's -- it's ridiculous of her to claim that. so, i just want to remind people who she, originally, said. which she is now, at least, sort of, partially, backing away from. although, maybe not really. let's take a look. >> you know, we can look back at a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star. and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens. so much so, that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in nazi germany. and this is exactly the type of abuse that nancy pelosi is talking about. >> what was that anchor, by the way, nodding his head to what she is saying there? any idea of what prompted this? i mean, you know, i guess, is she getting flack? and -- and -- and maybe, even hearing it from some of her supporters? and that's why? >> well, the -- the republican

leadership condemned her remarks, at the time. and so, it's clear that there were a lot of republicans that were uncomfortable with the statements. she claims it was just after a reflection, on her own, that she looked back at those comments and decided she needed to make amends. representative ilhan omar, she made comments last week comparing the united states' and israeli governments to the taliban and hamas. she's been roundly criticized by, both, democrats and republicans. and we know that republicans have plans this week to attempt to censure her. they may even attempt to remove her from the foreign-affairs committee. so it is convenient that marjorie taylor greene is attempting to remove herself from her own anti-semitic controversy to maybe allow republicans go on the attack against ilhan omar. she was actually asked about ilhan omar during this press conference and took the opportunity condemn her. anyway, omar did clarify her

remarks. democratic leadership has always said they were unhappy with what she had to say. democrats say they are ready to move on. but it's clear, there are republicans hoping to create a divide in the democratic party. >> ryan nobles, preeshts it. i want to get some perspective now from tennessee democrat congressman steve cohen. congressman, thanks for joining us. when we spoke about this last month, you said marjorie taylor greene doesn't understand history and, quote, has a real problem with jewish people. did anything she said tonight change your opinion? >> well, not really. i mean, i do think it was good that she apologized and went to the holocaust museum. she might have learned something but she didn't learn a lot. national-socialist party is nothing, at all, like the democratic party. the national-socialist party, the nazis, they were about anti-semitism, they were about killing all the jewish people, they were about prejudice. and that's not anything the democratic party is for. she -- much about the experience

of the holocaust. maybe, someone told her. the worst genocide ever, something to never happen again or never forget but it didn't sound like it came from the heart. there are two extremes. extremes in each party, the democrats and republicans. and people grasp onto that and use that to attack either party. that's not what we need now. we need to come together. we need to realize that the enemy is -- is -- is not the democrats. it's not the republicans. it's the people who tried to bring about an insurrection and turn our government over on january the 6th. that's something that most republicans, not all, can't get their arms around and their heads around. that this was a revolution. this was an insurrection. that cut out proper processing, joe biden's election. and that's what marjorie taylor greene and other republicans need to tell their people is that joe biden won the election.

it was honest. it was clean. it was one of the most honest, and clean, if not the most ever. and he won by a landslide. get over this stuff the idea that donald trump is a president. donald trump is not the president. he is a golfer. >> you know, the -- i don't know how we step back. i mean, i am talking about all of us. step back from this brink where -- where people, who have a different point of view and, you know, serving in congress. now, seem emboldened to view somebody, with a different point of view, as not just somebody with a different way of looking at something. and -- but a -- you know, an american, a patriot, whatever. but they look at it as an enemy. there are a lot of people in this country now who view people on the other side of the aisle as an enemy, unamerican, as unpatriotic. and i don't know how we move forward, as a country, when that is the go-to position for so many people now. >> it's very difficult because that is what's going on

anderson. it makes it difficult to serve in congress. to see people -- it's most the extreme. most of the republican members are good men and women and they are friend of mine and we get along great. but there's a handful that find every opportunity to try to compare democrats to something that's just off the wall. to claim that democrats, as a party, are for defunding the police, which is not true. call the democrats the socialist party of america, which is not true. i saw one of my friends, rorbach. still is. i consider him a friend. i saw him speaking in huntington beach saying that the thatnazis communists were taking the vote away. it was nazis and communists doing it. that does not help. people tend to believe it.

it makes thing worse. [ inaudible ] people tell me it was antifa that did the january-6th insurrection. they were dressed as trump people and it was all a scam. and these people believe it. we need -- the republicans need to come vstraight and let their people know joe biden's president and the election is clean and get over it. and we need a commission to study what happened january 6th and how the police were attacked and called all kind of names and over a hundred of them were injured. and several -- several died and we need to come to grips with that. that's the most poimportant thi we've got right now. all this stuff about holocaust, i think it's ignorance on the part of some people who don't understand. the holocaust was hove i think many might have died in auschwitz and it -- it -- it -- it's horrified me to think somebody would minimize the holocaust. understand she said christians

died in the holocaust but ch christians weren't part of a holocaust to kill all christians. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> anderson. there is more breaking news ahead. what the house and senate judiciary committee say they will do after the disclosure of secret subpoenas by the former-president always justice department. i will talk with one of those democratic lawmakers who had his informat information targeted next. no way. my pants are pants, dog. pizza on a bagel—we can all agree with that. uhm whatever those are, they're not pants. [ ding ] they told me you can't make a boombox fly. so i built a boomboxasaurus... with code!'re not pants. and we did it together in our live online coding class. at byju's! build your own world at byju's futureschool... with live one-on-one coding classes taught by expert teachers.

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there is breaking news tonight on the subpoenas issues by the former president's justice department will investigate the entire ep even as merrick garland says thil strengthen rules seeking congressional records. the inspector general has also begun an investigation. the whole affair, of course, raises a slew of questions. one member of congress targeted was california representative eric swalwell, who sit on both the house-bell jens committee and the judiciary committee and he joins me now. congressman swalwell, there is still a lot we do not know, at this point. have you gotten any more answers in the last few -- last few days? i mean, what more do you know, exactly? >> no, anderson, i have not. i would like to. i have put in a request to speak to the department. i think it's fair to say they know how to get ahold of me. at this point. but, you no he, frankly, i would like to know, you know, just how wide this investigation was.

and, you know, what's concerning to me is that, you know, presidents. they set a tone for the country. and donald trump, from the very beginning, set a tone for bullying and a phony-tough-guy image. and we see that reflected in everyday life today. whether it's people throwing bot bottles at nba players, assaulting health-care workers, the house floor and campaigns and the ultimate manifestation, of course, being the insurrection at the capitol. and donald trump went even beyond that. he treated the law as a nuisance and weaponized department of justice. so the concern is not just the targeting of his political opponents. but the trickle-down effect. are local-elected officials feeling emboldened by this? and are they targeting their political enemies, locally? and so, we need to find out just how far this went. >> do you buy that former attorneys general sessions and barr and former-deputy attorney general rosenstein didn't know this activity was happening within the justice department? because sessions -- i mean, i

was reading back on this. he was bragging about the number of leak investigations. is there any realistic scenario in which those three or some of those three would not know that this was going on? >> no. >> you are -- you're -- you're sure of that? >> yes. my knowledge of how the department works. sensitive matters, involving members of congress, or any -- any person, you know, who may -- you may not want to investigate, you know, unless you have a really good reason to. because of political fallout. that would go to the department of justice, and i want to say this, anderson. i'm not above the law. if i, or anyone else, does something wrong, i should be surveilled. and so should anyone else. but a number of leaks occurred while i was on the intelligence committee prior to this. and i was in a small group of people who knew about the classified information that was out there. i was not a part of that and, therefore, i was not targeted. here, the only difference was that donald trump was president

and i, and mr. schiff and others, you know, were loud voices against donald trump's corruption. and so, it feels pretty damn targeted by the department and should be investigated. >> again, we don't know the exact reason for, you know, these particular cases. but i mean, to your point. if -- if it -- you know, if it was you, adam schiff, even don mcgahn, who, clearly, you know, the president had ire toward based on some of the decisions that mcgahn made, who was in the white house. who was the white house counsel. that seems to be the only commonality, on the face of it. that -- that these are you and the others are people who, you know, were -- you had to ire -- the ire of the president directed toward you all. >> that's right. and anderson, again, don mcgahn was a part of the mueller investigation. so maybe, there was a good reason to look at his records. except, this investigation into his records went all the way up until this may when the mueller investigation, as we all know, closed back in the spring of 2019.

so again, it -- it feels really political. and this is a president who would reward his friends. remember, he reduced the sentences for roger stone. made the flynn case go away. pardoned manafort. and then, would weaponize the department against his enemies. so this feels pretty on brand for donald trump. >> your colleague on the house judiciary committee, chairman jerry nadler, just announced a formal investigation if barr, sessions, rosenstein, are subpoenaed by the committee. is it realistic that they would testify, anytime soon? i mean, couldn't they just resist and have their lawyers try to delay things? >> of course. and that's right out of the donald trump legal terrorist playbook that we saw during his administration. and sor, i hope our congressionl subpoena style means something. we did get don mcgahn to testify just a couple weeks ago. but also, i hope the public pressure really comes down on these individuals to be held to account. because this isn't going away. and it's not because it's personal, for us. it's because, if we allow this

to occur, a future-corrupt president may not be so patient to wait for a grand-jury investigation. they may just call for them to be locked up and skip any, intermediary step that would be required. >> the fact that the -- the inspector general at the department of justice is investigating. doesn't that allow the justice depa department, now, and merrick garland, the current-attorney general, just to say, look, i can't come on to any of this because it's an ongoing investigation? >> well, it certainly allows them to interview current officials at the department of justice who may have been involved. but barr, sessions, whittaker, rosenstein, they have left the department. and they can't be compelled to talk to the inspector general. so that's where congress does are an ability to do that. and -- and whether that's us, working, you know, to make sure we don't compromise the investigation. but still, diligently, doing our job. we have to do that because, again, we can't let a future, more corrupt, more incompetent president come along and do this. >> i do just want to reiterate.

we don't know, exactly, what is behind this. the republican senator chuck grassley recently said, and i am quoting, he said investigations into members of congress and staff are nothing new. especially, for classified leaks. if this was just concern over leaks. and that's where they were -- you know, that led them to you and to adam schiff and to don mcgahn. is that okay? >> again, i'm not above the law, anderson. but i think what is unique here is it wasn't everyone on the committee who had their devices surveilled because we all heard the same information that's allegedly been leaked. it's the two people that were the loudest critics of the president. and again, i know that i did not leak anything. so i'm really wondering, what predicate, you know, what evidence did you have to go into my phone? they didn't have any. and so, my concern is that there is much more to this and there's others targeted we may find out

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we have the details of a new fbi report recently delivered to lawmakers about the potential for acts of violence from followers of the qanon conspiracy theory. our senior and national security correspondent, alex marquardt, joins us no with the latest. so what have you learned about this assessment? >> anderson, there is a growing fear of violence from the more extreme members or followers of the qanon conspiracy theory, who, of course, are already extreme. some of these followers are saying enough is enough and want to move from what they call being digital soldiers into actually carrying out acts of violence. the lack of progress they are seeing, that what has predicted hasn't come true. so many thins. so many kriz things, anderson, of course, has been predicted that haven't come true. one of them is that president donald trump is still actually president and that he would resume office on march 6th. after president biden had already been sworn in. so, this is an unclassified report. two pages from the fbi. was obtained by our colleague,

zach cohen. and i want to read part of it for you. it says that some domestic-violent extremist adherents of qanon likely will begin to believe they can no longer trust the plan. towards engaging in real-world violence, including harming perceived members of the cabal. such as democrats, and other-political on decision, instead of continually awaiting q's promised actions which have not occurred. now, that cabal as you know is a reference to the deep state, these people who they believe are -- are -- are pedophiles and have a -- an international child sex-trafficking ring. so, there is a fear that there could turn into violence and, of course, we have already seen that happen, anderson. there were at least 20, according to the fbi, adherents of qanon who participated in the january 6th insurrection. >> what does the assessment say

about the actual number of people involved with qanon? because there was a lot of talk when the former president left there was dissatisfaction among some followers of q because as you said, this shadow gri figure or group it is, none of it has come to pass. yet, they just kind of change their beliefs, and pretend like they are not being deceived. >> well, the fbi says some could fall away because there is a new administration. because they realize that president biden is, actually, the president. reality's setting in. those predictions, as i mentioned, aren't coming true. and perhaps, most importantly, anderson, is because so much of the material, so many of the followers, so much of tcontent are being removed from the main-social media sites. so that is no longer there. so the combination really, of those things means the fbi believes that some will fall away. but at the same time, you do have that more extremist element that could grow even more radicalized and one of the things they -- they mention that's very important is that if

you are hearing some of this qanon content being espoused by politicians like marjorie taylor greene, you have been discussing on your he show, that will have an impact. >> programming note. cnn special report, assault on democracy, the roots of trump's insurrection airs sunday night. drew griffin has detail about what happened during the attack. again, that airs sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. up next, tonight, the so-called fraudit in arizona where republicans there are counting more than 2 million votes cast in last year's election. but will it foreshadow similar efforts from other states? the latest from phoenix, next.

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whatever you want to call it, a sham, a pointless exercise or just plain sad that arizona hand recounted more than 2 million votes in the state's most populous county is just with at the finish line but the end in phoenix may be the beginning of something similar in other states. >> reporter: on the day the so-called arizona audit announces it has essentially completed a hand review of the maricopa 2020 ballots, she toured the floor for the first time. while this looks like an

official visit by the most powerful senator in arizona, don't believe it, says liz howard. >> so what's happening here, is this an you had a it? >> no. this is not an audit. it is a partisan review. if the consequences of this event weren't so scary, it would be funny. when you are on the floor, what you're seeing is reminiscent of lucy and ethel at the chocolate factory. >> howard is one of the observers for the secretary of state on the floor and watching as the big lie spreads before her eyes. in the last two weeks, lawmakers from about a dozen states have made the pilgrimage to the so-called floor from many key battleground states. the visitors proudly posing with arizona's most vocal critics of the 2020 election. and now this exercise shifts to paper evaluation of the ballots. still chasing ridiculous conspiracies like whether photo company ballots were mysteriously inserted.

>> one micro scope is trained on the oval of the president race and there's lights from the side so you can see that it is filled in by a hand written, or a handheld writing device. it can even sense that there is indentation in the paper. and then there are a couple looking at paper fibers. so everything in general related to the authenticity of the payment. >> that paper evaluation has been rife with problems. observers have noticed software noticing that they got out of sync. producing distorted ballot images. a problem happening every day. another problem, workers examining ballots clicking a green ballot if it was done by a human. red for not human. they got confused mislabeling a few dozen ballots. and persistent lack of training. an observer heard an audit worker saying, i have never done this. can someone show me how to take a photo?

they called it untrue and overblown. this exercise has been widely criticized from officials from both parties. more signs this is not over. >> she is going to try to add legitimacy to this process which is sorely lacking in legitimacy. the auditors lack auditing experience, actual administration experience, and are obviously very biased. >> and joining us from phoenix, i know you're hearing that nearly all the ballots have been hand counted per the audit spokesman. we don't know if it is true or not. what's happening now? >> reporter: well, there are braille ballots involved. about 50,000 of them that have yet to be counted. this is something we've known with since november when maricopa county originally did their count. now they're in the process of trying to count them. they need to find somebody to read braille.

so that's what the hold-up is. the surprising thing is that this was not a surprise. >> the woman we saw on the floor in your piece states, karen, you had an exchange with her a few weeks ago and i want to play part of that. >> it is going a little slower than we expected. all in all, it is going pretty good. this is the first of its kind. never been done in the united states. so this is all a brand new process that we're all having to work through. >> a lot of national concern about the process being done, about why it is being done. what do you think about the concerns of the election officials in this country who say this is unnecessary and is creating doubt? >> so i can tell you exactly why we're doing it. and here's a prime example in arizona and it was actually reported in the arizona republic, a local paper. one of our largest in the state. it said there was a poll done a few weeks ago by high ground where they polled people across

the state of all parties, and the polling came pout 55% of all the people polled, the average, that they believe there was no serious fraud. quote/unquote. now, the article goes on to say we don't need to do the audit because 55% said there isn't. >> so i mean, i don't quite understand her logic here. do we know what her plans are to announce the final results of this audit? i mean, this is some private company doing this and they've hired people who are clearly politically motivated and so now this officially is just going to take whatever they say and she will announce it like it is real? >> reporter: exactly. i mean, nailed it, anderson. you're right. this is an audit that we don't know what the rules are. we don't know how she will announce it. you can see that it is the chicken before the egg.

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tonight i'll be eating a calzone from doughballs in aurora. (doorbell) rock on. tonight i'll be eating lobster thermidor au gratin. really? sh-yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. make it two calzones! tonight we send our love and support to christiane amanpour. she made this announcement today on cnn. >> like million of women around the world i have been diagnosed with ovarian cancer.

i've had successful major surgery to remove it and i am now undergoing several months of chemotherapy for the best possible long term prognosis. i'm fortunate to have health insurance through work and incredible doctors who are treating me in a country underpinned by the brilliant nhs. i'm telling you all this in the interests of transparency. but in truth, mostly as a shoutout to early diagnosis, to urge women to get all the regular screenings and scans you can, to listen to your bodies and to make sure your legitimate medical concerns are not dismissed or diminished. >> we love you and we offer all support to you and your family. courage defines you. it has your entire career and it does now. we have no doubt you will fight and win this battle. we love you. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. for cuomo "prime time." >> she wins by fighting. it is so characteristic of her to use something that ordinarily would consume many