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started putting the squeeze on his replacement. deputy attorney general rosen. he wanted him to investigate the craziest of the crazy conspiracy theories. that is speculation. unnamed sources i bet. wrong. there is no more need for media half stepping on this story. we now have the receipts. e-mails that show how trump, his white house and allies pressured the justice department to take up his stolen election bs. and here they are. look at this. december 14, 4:57 p.m. for context december 14 was the day state certified the electoral college votes sealing trumps defeat. what was of the creator of the big lie doing as the reality was confirmed? lying. a message from trump's substantiate with the subject
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line from potus. including talking points about a quote cover up of voting crimes. how machines were compromised and secretary lied. all this in michigan. where trump lost. dozens of bullet points of conjecture. unverified accounts and absolute fiction. including points and counter points to be made. this was an obvious political argument device. that's okay. unless what you're doing is giving it to the attorney general and you are the president of the united states. and there's a clear reference. that he should take up this cause. now, on december 29, rosen has taken over. trump assistant sends another e-mail to him. and acting deputy along with someone else that contained a draft of a lawsuit for the doj
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to sign onto the effort to over turn election results. she wrote specifically the president asked me to send you the attached document for your review. soon enough white house chief of staff meadows picked up the pressure campaign. new years day. five days before the insurrection. meadows sends rosen lunatic videos about using satellite technology to flip our votes. none of this was ever substantiated. in fact it was debunked. rosen then forwarded it onto acting deputy. who writes two words. pure insanity. the acting ag agrees. in a response to another message, the same day. pushing to investigate ballots in georgia. rosen writes to don hue. can you believe this? i'm not going to respond.
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he writes at least it's better than the last one. that doesn't say much. why is this wrong? i'm tearing. it's just allergies. the department of justice is supposed to be a stand alone. this is deep state deception. by definition. remember why bill barr had to say the president never called me about opening an information. if he said yes he had it would be wrong and arguably obstruction of justice if the investigation was interfering with what was being done to him. you don't it. you don't put political pressure on the doj. that was what it was. matter of fact. no the fair counter is not. what about own this. are you okay with the president and his pat si pressuring the doj to front election front
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fiction? the answer is no. and you know it. don't make it okay because it's your side. don't make it okay because you believe democrats be other things to piss you off. or trump is being victimized. it's okay or it isn't. you know it isn't. now, can meadows defend these as appropriate? no. when cnn asked about them he said i'll let you answer that. obviously i'm not going to comment on anything that may or may not have happened. it happened. he knows that we know it happened. and yet he plays it as a conditional. the truth is meaningless. when you are about fronting mere belief. this was a concerted effort to manipulate government institutions for trump's personal benefit, period. we also know that while trump was asking doj to help him cling
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it power. he was pressuring state officials in georgia. remember? to find him votes. >> all i want to do is this. i want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> just to be clear, georgia didn't oblige. remember he was told by a real republican that there was no fraud to fix. that's your problem. remember that. any doubt as to whether there was good faith basis was killed by rosen last month. here it is. >> there was no evidence presented of widespread fraud of a sufficient scale to over turn the election. >> it does look like a hostage video. it was the words that matter. we now have the proof.
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of trump, they abused power for the worst reasons period. the question is, now what? better mind. one of the house intel committee democrats targeted by the justice department. swalwell. and congresswoman. good to have you both on "prime time." >> great to be here. >> congressman, i'll start with you. thank you for joining us. we'll do two blocks. on this, what do you believe the operative effect of the e-mails are representative of? >> it shows clearly and documents that the president of the united states tried to corrupt the department of justice. to have him claim that it was noft a fair election. it was shocking they provided
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the department of justice with a brief and asked them to forward it to the supreme court. arguing to overturn the election. and the efforts in michigan and georgia and everywhere else find me votes. literally trying to steal the election. it was horrifying. an effort to try to steal an election. >> obvious as it is, representative swalwell. it's obvious you can't do anything about it. >> we better. because donald trump despises nothing more than losing and he was the biggest loser in his presidency. not only because of the landslide loss but because he tried to test the democracy and failed. he just barely failed. now it's on us. he will get better. he wants to run again. he has a lot of want to be
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cronies to fill a trumpism void. if we don't get better they will get better. >> let's talk about this. representative, i'll bounce back to you. i make the argument i think even from the biden perspective, trump and the rearview mirror is better. every time you bring him under scrutiny and a new opportunity to play the victim. even if you believe there tr avenues to accountability. what do they look like? >> holding president trump accountable for his actions? >> can you? >> i think that we are just beginning this investigation. and now we have seen shocking failures at the fbi, dod and really an almost unbelievable attempt to manipulate an election to his benefit. i think we have to get the facts. i think that it should be thoroughly reviewed and
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researched. and personally he should be convicted. >> i hear you. i'm not here to play the cynic or the hollow push back. representative swalwell, we need to know the truth. of course. we do. we know about his role in paying off women. we have the checks. firing mueller. we have the lawyer. bribing ukraine. we have the transcript. and playing down a pandemic for politics. we have the excerpt of him admitting he knew he shouldn't have called it a hoax. and pressuring state officials. we have him ob on tape. we have it. it doesn't matter to his people. it doesn't matter to the members of his party. i couldn't get a question out of his mouth before he was saying what about the democrats. antifa. what about this and that. you're not getting them on the side of accountability. what's the upside?
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>> i would love to be the prosecutor on this case. knowing my act and scene, i'm a legislator. we should learn from this and pass schiff's protect the democracy act. putting in place a fast track on congressional subpoenas. we're way behind on this. we should have gotten this information while he was president. he waited us out. schiff's bill creates a fast track. i think president biden should tell the department of justice lift that policy that says no president can be indicted as president. president biden doesn't have to worry about that. no president in the future should have that immunity. and run out the clock and not be held accountable. whether it's trump in the future or another corrupt president. republican or democrat. >> you change that rule.
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and if there were going to be accountability do you believe that what you know now could sustain charges against donald trump? >> i have to think that anyone who reads this knows how horrible the whole situation is. i thought i would never see the peaceful transfer of power disrupted. that an election was on the verge of being stolen. he almost succeeded in a coup. taking over the country. there is a will the of work to do. we need a 9/11 type commission to look at this. and come forward with recommendations that are based on the facts so this never happens again. it is beyond belief. we are unfolding in these hearings. we are just starting. we got documents on friday.
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we couldn't get them released before. under trump we never got any document released. finally under president biden we are getting documents that we requested. in december. what we're seeing is absolutely shocking beyond belief. >> so, i asked them to stay with us. through the break. to talk about january 6. why it matters so much. what the options are going forward. you're not going to have this joint commission no matter what capitulation is giving to the party of trump. they don't want it in the senate. what do the lawmakers think the speaker should do about january 6. what does it matter. what could be done. and we know what the stakes are. what are the answers. right after the break.
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in all my years in this business i have never seen anything as obvious as infamy of january 6th be held up through a complete lens of political perspective. i have never seen anything like it. it's like 9/11 being seen as something materially different than what we all watched and lived. that's where we are. it's happening on a lot of levels. we're lucky to have two big deal democrat lawmakers driving the train about where we go on this. you're not getting a join committee. fbi director answering questions about january 6th. it's really telling that in this span of about a week, his answers seemed to change. listen. >> prior to january 6th did the
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fbi receive any tips from social media companies about threat to the capitol? >> i'm in the aware we had any intelligence indicating that hundreds of individuals were going to storm the capitol itself. >> my understanding is they sent e-mails to a particular field office and that some of those contained possible threat information. and some were referred to domestic terrorism squads. >> we are fortunate to have the two members with us who asked the questions. representatives swalwell. when heads up the committee -- the commission. that brought us the e-mail about explaining what's going on with the white house. you weren't asking tricky questions where you could argue this was tough. you are so in the weeds. he didn't know where you were coming from. that's not the case. do you believe that the fbi
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director got new information that changed his answer? to what he said a week ago? >> i don't know. his answer did change. i want to be clear, i do not blame the fbi for what happened on january 6th. this was donald trump. entirely. and the people that follow him. but, it's our job to make sure in the future that law enforcement whether it's the fbi or capitol police are better prepared. i have an african-american staffer who said to me the day of the sixth. at capitol with me. he said if this was a black protest, this scale in this much online chatter about what they were going to do. we wouldn't be allowed to get on planes. we would be pulled off planes. it killed me there were two systems of justice in the country. if a black lives matter protest there would be more law enforcement.
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i hope he's wrong. but i believe we know donald trump intends to come back in august. theories are out there. they will get more aggressive. we can't be as passive as we were in allowing this to happen again. >> representative, i know you as the chair of the oversight committee. you have been explaining things to me for most of many life. one thing i can explain to you about this is i don't know about two systems of justice. i know this, if the republicans were the aggrieved. they should be. about january 6th. people were rook looking for them. they wanted to hang mike pence. i believe that they would have had a concerted effort to never let us move past that moment. it is all they would have talked about. they would have demonized all of you. they would have done nothing but look into every nook and cranny
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and biden wouldn't have moved an inch otherwise. are they better at political warfare than the democrats? >> we won the election. thank god. i think that -- we have more substance. and we're working for right reason. i don't think they're better. i think that we just have to work very hard on this. this is shocking what happened. first of all it has to be investigated to see how far the rot goes. i was personally surprised and shocked by the documents that we received on friday. and the ones that we're asking for are more important. which we intend to get. we need to research this. you're right, we won't get a commission. the commission will look at the president of the united states and the republicans don't want to do that. the best we can do is have a select committee which i hope
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the speaker will decide to do. that the various committees that have jurisdiction such as the won i chair continue with the investigation. we reveal today in the hearing a shocking example of intelligence failure at the fbi. we had 50 documents warning the fbi very explicit si from parlor. this is war. do not be surprised when we take the capitol. all kind of violent conversations. and the director of the fbi testifying he was not aware of this. if that's true, that is a phenomenal failure of the fbi. it's got to be corrected in the future. >> quick follow. >> the second one we had. no one was in charge in the first hearing. doj wasn't in charge.
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no one knows who was in charge. there was no planning. no coordination. it was a failure in so many ways. we need to correct this. strengthen the democracy. >> quick follow. what do you want that you asked for in terps of documents that believe are more important than what you have? >> stay tuned. >> good tease. let me ask a different question. >> look at dod. they were just even more shocking than the fbi. in the testimony today. this is the united states military. they didn't protect the capitol of the united states when the vice president's life was in danger. speaker's life. and congress and staff. people working there. they couldn't protect the capitol of the united states. we documented 12 times that they were called frantically. come in, help us. send in the national guard.
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and they decided they were resisting going in. why? we need more hearings and more documents. we need to get to the bottom of this. why did they the greatest military in the world fail at protecting the capitol and they were there. >> at the same time that she wants to move the train in terms of who knew what and when is why. you have equal opposite energy in the party of trump. where i had chris stewart, he's not known as being an out of fringe player. you know him well. he says last night, i think the fbi got it wrong. i don't think it was an act of terror. it wasn't a coup or insurrection. it's not as bad as what we saw largely a summer before. where they were burning down courthouses and doing this and that.
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nobody really cared. that's much worse. the american people believe that's worse than january 6th. what do you think of that intent let alone of the truth of the basis? >> burning down courthouses is wrong. but i saw last night in the interview he said he voted to remove marjorie taylor greene from her committee. you had to later correct that. he didn't vote to to do that. john dean said 50 years ago there's a cancer on the presidency. now we see that when trump was president he was the cancer. he not only destroyed rule of law, systems of justice. democracy. that cancer has persisted and affected people who i had served with and liked like chris stewart. trying to rewrite history as far as january 6th. this is now a party that is rolling with the cop killers. calling the officer that saved
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so many lives an executioner. 21 republicans voted against giving the police officers the gold medal. and mccarthy refuses to meet with officer mike. they are a dishonor the police party. to honor trump. >> i saw you smiling. at the idea that i had to catch stewart faking something that is so easy to know. which is which way you voted on something. it's laughable. he will get away with it. on his side of the ball, they don't care. that he gave bad information about his vote. they came after me for losing an interview. which i don't think is possible. that's how they play on that side. it's often a winning strategy. thank you. i promise you the show will follow all of your efforts. all the way through. thank you.
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all right. we will stay tuned. the most critical meeting of president biden's first trip abroad is just hours away, and this isn't hype. it matters. going face-to-face with putin matter, especially now. because you know that putin is an intelligence man. he is an intelligence operative. and he speaks english. he just chooses not to, because it's part of the canard. now, he got a free pass to mess with our democracy for years by the last guy, as biden calls him. what is the best way to deal with putin in this meeting? what has to happen? what can happen? why does it matter? and what does the mind-set have to be for biden? those are hard questions to answer, unless you know someone who knows all about putin, how he worked last time, how he wants to work this time, and how he wants to help biden be in the right place for the sit-down so we can get our answers, next.
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years matters. vladimir putin is no joke. he played trump. he got his way. he didn't care. he grew at home and he made us look weak abroad. biden is hoping the geneva summit will be the start of a, quote, stable, predictable relationship. now i don't know that either of those things are even possible, but when you call someone a killer the way biden has referred to putin, it's really just about how to convey strength without creating an outsized risk for this country. so how do you do that? especially with this brazen ransomeware cyber attack thing going on, in addition to election meddling, which remember, is on the increase. let's get after it with someone who actually helped president biden prepare, former nato deputy secretary general and undersecretary of state forearms control rose gottemoeller.
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if you saw me smile when i said your name, they were telling me how to say it in the control room. gottemoeller, like got a miller lite. that's the way i say your name. >> you got it, chris. you made my cousin in ohio so happy. that's his handle. >> let's talk here, and let's do it a little bit as we'll set the stage about why it matters. and then i want to role play a little bit if putin is coming a certain way, what matters in that circumstance. because that's your genius. you understand where his head is and what the games are and how they need to be countered. but the floor is helsinki. at helsinki, putin sat there pretending he doesn't speak english, listening to the president of the united states take his side over the united states intelligence agencies. and i heard about it for months afterwards, as i'm sure you did,
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from all kinds of sources i have in the intelligence communities and in russia. saying, wow, wow, did he eat your lunch. how big a deal was that, and why? >> well, i was hearing a lot about it from the nato allies who were really spun up. so, yeah, it was a big deal, and it was a sign of somebody who wasn't prepared for that meeting and didn't know what he was walking into. you know, chris, i am a little tired of this notion of putin the negotiator who is omnipotent. he loves to play games, but all negotiators love to play games. russians are pretty good at it. but i think that it's not necessary to consider him some kind of negotiating god that you can't handle because i think joe biden can. >> so what does that look like? when he sits down and putin says to him, hey, i don't have anything to do with your elections. this is all hype from your media. and ransomeware, i don't know who is doing what any more than you know what people in the united states who don't work for you. what's his line? >> this is the hybrid methods
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that they are using. they are trying to get into our cyber systems. they are going around and behind and underneath and never saying what they're doing in the open. this is a consistent russian government line, it doesn't necessarily come from just putin. all biden has to say is that is not the information we have, and i am extremely well informed and you know about the strength and the power and the understanding of our intelligence community, which putin does understand as a former kgb man. people love to say that shea former kgb man. but don't forget, he has been president of the russian federation since 2000 now, and he's gone a long way from his time as a lieutenant colonel in the kgb. >> so does biden have to overwhelm with information, or is it about resolve? is he there to make the case or just to have a stone face looking at putin and saying i know what you did, and you're not getting a pass. i'm coming for you. how strong is the right posture?
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>> i think that it depends. they both said publicly that there are areas of mutual interests for the countries. that they want to ensure, for example, that we don't end up in a nuclear war. so therefore they're going to continue to talk about nuclear stability and how to get a handle on nuclear weapons, how to reduce and limit nuclear weapons. mutual interests. not only for russia and the united states, but for the globe as a whole. there are other areas they need to work on together. and i've been interested to hear biden say let's sit down and talk about ukraine together. this is important because even during the obama administration, it was left to the europeans, to macron, to merkel in germany and france the work with ukrainians and russians. so i think it's a really good thing that biden said i want to try to tackle this issue and get the russians out of the donbass, begin to resolve the problems that resulted from the invasion of crimea in 2014. so that's a mutual interest. >> so first of all, what do you
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make of the political criticism that putin doesn't deserve a summit? and second, to the extent that you're going to have one, why be broad about areas where we can work together? why not start with the you're trying to destroy our democracy? >> well, i do think that is where they are going to start. and i think there is going to be some very tough talk for a good long time. i noted today they announced they're going have a small meeting first with just the two ministers of foreign affairs, the secretary of state tony blinken and lavrov, the minister of foreign affairs and the two presidents. that's the time to have a very direct discussion, no holds barred about the concerns we have about russian malfeasance. then, then they can go into a larger meeting with other experts where they can talk about some of these tough issues that, again, if we can get some cooperation moving on them, we'll end up in a more stable place ourselves, for ourselves and also for our allies. >> does putin have any reason to work with you on anything? >> i think so.
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absolutely. first and foremost, and you noted it at the outset in talking about helsinki. he loves to be a leader on the world stage. he loves to stride the global stage and be the powerful figure there. so honestly, this is a great deal for him. and one reason that he apparently hesitated to take the meeting for the longest time was that he was afraid that he would just get lectured too publicly by joe biden, and that it would make him look bad. that's what happened when he went to g20 meeting back about ten years ago, and he wasn't very happy about it at all. so i think that he is feeling also anxious going into this meeting and thinking how can i come out of it looking like i'm a leader on the global stage. so it will be up to biden both to convey our concerns strongly to make sure that he understands that in no uncertain terms, but also that the public understands. that's important that they're not going have a joint press conference where again, putin can play games.
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biden can come out and say this is what we talked about. this is the message that i laid down, and here are some areas where we're also going to try to develop some mutual interest in, some mutual cooperation in. i think that's really a good way to go. it was a wise decision. >> rose gottemoeller, do me a favor. after the summit, will you come back and tell us why what happened happened? >> i certainly will. i'd be happy to. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you setting the table for where our president's head is moving into this. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. so there is new controversy over policing in america. have you seen the video? somebody's vaping on a boardwalk. you're not supposed to. it then turns into this. and it gets a lot rougher than what we're showing you right now. what is right? what is wrong, and on who's part? let's take it apart, next. at panera, dinner is hot... and ready to serve. order our warm and toasty sandwiches
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monitor, check and lock down you money with security from chase. control feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. the video has gone viral. why? officers kicking, tasing black kids, allegedly violating a videotaping ordinance. so this is about the ocean city, maryland police. now i'm supposed to warn you this is disturbing. you know how i feel. it's reality. if you want to deal with reality, look at reality. in the first, you can see an officer beating up a teenager. knees him several times in the side. according to police, officers
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first approached the 19-year-old on the boardwalk who they say refused to stop videotaping or -- vaping or show id and became disorderly. in another video, you can see another teen in that crowd being tased, let to four arrests. separate incident from the weekend. yet another video shows an 18-year-old being tased as well. both of these incidents are now being investigated. let's discuss with bark, anthony barksdale, former acting police chief of the baltimore police, spent a lifetime of policing the streets. it's good to see you, bark. >> good seeing you, chris. >> first quick point is see? here you go again. you and that bald guy from baltimore making this seem like this is all police do when this is one random situation out of thousands that officers deal with. and these guys wouldn't comply. they wouldn't listen. and what is an officer supposed to do? it's not on them. it's on both, and don't make so much of it. what do you say? >> i say that's nonsense. the police officer ultimately
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has the greater duty, the greater responsibility to do the right thing in these incidents. and time and time again, you have shown, you have shown that that's not the case when it comes to minorities in these incidents. >> so you're working the job. they come back and say we had to tase this kid. he wouldn't listen to me about the vaping and id. started giving me lip, i had to tase him. what do you say? >> i want to know everything. i want to know from beginning to the point where you use force to the end. i want to know how is the kid, you know? are his parents contacted? what's going on? so this is not -- we can't see people being tased and we don't do full investigations. it is a use of force, and we need to know everything. unfortunately, we're seeing tasers involved in these incidents, and it's starting to build up. i think that daunte wright,
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taser, taser, and the officer shoots him dead. >> well, except in that one, that's a one-off because she says -- she said taser, taser, she had a gun in her hand. that's not about the decision to use the taser. that's about not knowing the difference between a taser and a pistol, despite being such a senior officer. >> then i'm questioning tasers at this point. >> right. >> we're starting to see a pattern, we have to look at what's going on with these tasers and our officers. >> now one other point i've heard and i'm sure you've lived it and heard it. someone on the job said to me watching these video, i want to see you in the middle of this crowd. and i said hold on, the cops are around. he said there are a lot of people around. this guy is fighting me, and i may not win. what do you do? is that a fair point of analysis? >> if we're using the incidents that we're seeing, we're seeing significant amounts of officers right there.
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if i'm losing or if you're losing, i'm right there to back you up. you're right there to back me up. it's not like it's one-on-one we're looking at here. and the equipment that they have on their gun belts is there for a reason. but you can't justify the knees that we saw with the one officer. >> all right. i hear you. look, i want to keep talking about these things because, you know, there are a lot of people out there, anthony barksdale knows this. he has done the job his whole life who believe people are fighting back now that they have been fed a narrative that the police are the problem and not the solution. i know you don't believe that. i know you spent a lifetime as a police officer training people and keeping communities safe. that's why we have to keep talking about this, show it's wrong. when it's somebody who does something to a cop or when it's a cop doing it to somebody else. i appreciate you, anthony barksdale. >> all right. >> i'm sorry about the bald joke. you have a perfect shaped head. if i had the same head, i'd shave mine too. all right.
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