>> hadas gold in jesusrusalem. i am wolf blitzer in geneva, erin burnett with "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, biden and putin meeting face-to-face. did putin get a big boost on the world's stage. how desperate donald trump was to get the doj to investigate non existing fraud and youtube links to conspiracy theories and his final days as he sought to overturn the election. we have a new president of the southern baptist convention tonight. is he quote, "woke for his members"? i will ask him. let's go "outfront." good evening, i am erin

burnett, biden talks tough to bu fo pu putinbut it is unclear in putin cares. >> i did what i came to do. i made it clear that i believe the consequences of that would be devastating for russia. >> when it came to key issues, i did not seem as though putin was listening. here what i say biden says about ongoing attacks on america. there had been four attacks tied to russian entities. >> he knows that i would take action like we did this last time out. what happened was we made it clear that we'll not continue this allowed to go on. >> consequences. today putin won't admit that the

attack happened. >> the cyber attack in the world are in fact are on the cyber space in the u.s. and u.k. on that list of countries the cyber space which is not ours. >> that would be called going on offense. biden brought up another crucial issue at the meeting. that was the poisoning and imprisonment of navalny. biden said he made it clear that pew putin's actions won't be tolerated. >> i pointed out to him that's

why we raised concerns of lexie navalny. >> putin still won't say navalny's name led alone any human rights abuses. here is what happens when matthew chance putin about after meeting the biden. >> turning now to the opposition and the citizen that you mentioned, number one, this person knew that he was breaching the laws effective russia. he should have noted that as a person con vvicted two times. i would like to underscore that he ignored the crimes and the laws and this person went abroad

for treatment and he did not register. he recorded a video and posting it on the internet and that requirement a riot because he did not eappear and he ignored the law. he knew that he was then investigated and he came back deliberately. he did what he wanted to do. >> the gentleman in question, the citizen, never his name. it is clear that biden and putin is not on the same issue. putin is not new in this game. biden said today he did not trust putin to do anything. his emphasis led kaitlin collins to ask this.

>> why are you confident he'll change his behavior? >> i didn't say that. i said what will change the behavior is the rest of the world will react to his stance in the world. i am not confident of anything. >> he denied any involvement of his attack and he refused to say nav navalny's name. >> if you don't understand that you are in the wrong business. bi >> biden apologized later for lashing out at kaitlin. let me begin with you kaitlin, they did not use all the time they had and not much was

accomplished today. does the white house think this went well? >> i think they think it went well from the perspective that there were no outcomes that was surprising to them. that's why you saw a tightly choreograph summit today. they want to make sure everything was by the book and there were no real surprises. the other aspect of that we are not expecting serious deliverables coming out of this. one thing that the white house did get and a sign of pretty tense and bad summit was the ambassador to each perspective countries will be going back. they have been back for the last several months since tension have reached add severe hike in april. when it comes to concrete

deli deliverables coming out of there. there were a ton. there also shows the nature of vladimir putin and what is at stake here when it comes to not just nuclear arms which is something that president biden had been dealing with since the 1970s but also cyber attack. one thing you did hear president biden said today essentially they want to establish some guard rails. what's off limits when it comes to cyber and ransomware attacks which the white house says it is being carried out by criminal groups based in russia. they have the approval of the russian government. if you listen to president putin in his press conference, he denied of any connection with them and falsely claims that united states carries out the most cyber attacks. there is such a difference in the level of expectations of what's coming out of this

meeting. president biden messing putin on human rights and several other fronts. something he says he'll continue to do. he he feels it is important for a u.s. president to do that. he did give this strategic marker which led to my question saying three to six months, that's when he'll be able to know he believes if he can have dialogue with russia. putin have not changed his behavior for past presidents. whether or not it will happen for the future is a massive unanswered question. >> thank you, i want to go to matthew chance. does the kremlin see this as a win? >> yeah, i think it is a big one. all vladimir putin had to do was to show up to get that victory. symbolically, the fact that vladimir putin was meeting face to face with president biden on the international state and in

the spotlight. it was not some meeting of another event. a it was a proper, full-on presidential summit. that's play well for his domestic audience and everybody around the world is watching this. vladimir putin admirers and potential autocrats around the world and he'll get enormous prestige from it. he got that without giving up and he didn't back down on noif the key disputes of the united states or cyber warfare or the threats he poses to his neighbors. i would say a total big win for the kremlin. >> thank you very much, matthew and also from geneva tonight. i want to go our senior global affair analysts. let me start with you bill, you hear these analysises and you watch these conferences yourself

today, was this meeting worth it or did it elevate putin without getting anything for that? >> this meeting should not have happened. there is nothing putin has done to deserving the attention of the most important man in the free world of the u.s. president, vladimir putin has been on a tear of malign activities. he's been hacking our pipelines and meat industry and the elections and he's been invading foreign countries and cheating international sport events. he's an international menace. to be invited to a civilized summit with biden is a true gift as matthew chance said. he's going to be basking in the glory back home. this was a big mistake to have this summit. there is a lot of people who are suffering under putin that did not want to see this happen. the united states and the free

world got nothing out of it. >> there were not deliverables in this meeting. biden is saying all right, three or six months or a year, let's talk about it or let's see the specifics happen. we know the ambassadors are going back and that's something they agreed to beforehand, right? we'll do that. they did talk about next steps on arms control. the meeting did not go as long as they expected. they had said three or four hours and could go longer. biden's team set the expectations this could go longer. biden got asked about why it didn't go very long and here is that exchange. >> is there a particular reason why this summit lasted only three hours? was there any reason it ran shorter? >> the reason it didn't go longer, we spent two hours in direct conversations across the table, going into excruciating details. you may know of a time, i don't.

kind of after two hours there, we looked at each others l like -- okay, what's next? what's going to happen next? we are going to be able to look back and look ahead and three to six months and say did the things we agree d to sit down ad tried, did it work? >> how could two world leaders with so much to discuss not use up their time. >> president biden said they went through excruciating details. i would imagine it was not every subject and the red line that vladimir putin drew and that was all domestic issues and particularly alexei navalny. that takes up a lot of time of civil rights issue and clearly

putin did not want to go into details there. he was asked about whether they spoke about covid and they did not go into details of coronavirus which was rapid in russia once again and only 12% of the population is vaccinated. they did not talk about belarus. they did not go in-depth the way president biden wanted to go in-depth and into bill's point, listen, there are many that would argue this meeting should not haves taken place and you could make the point that if president biden was going to have a meeting with the g-7 after russia of course was excluded, why then give vladimir putin the platform of having a one-on-one after that, what kind of punishment is that? and not to mention the fact they're going to be meeting in october at the g-20 in italy, they could have had a bilateral there as well. this gives putin with

opportunity with this meeting to showcase that the u.s. is once again the boogie man here. >> now all of a sudden they get elevated to g-1 plus one. the crucial issue of alexei navalny, here is how he responded to that. >> i made it clear that i believe the consequences of that would be devastating for russia. what do you think happens when he's saying it is not about navalny and all the stuff he says rationalize the treatment of navalny and then he dies in prison. it is about trust. >> does putin believes that biden's words are real that the

consequences of navalny saying will be devastating for russia. >> i think putin believes that. what's the other message he gotten from this? that it is okay what he did to navalny. he used a nerve-agent to try to kill navalny and he did not succeed. navalny survived by the skin of his teeth. he was in a coma and he came out and he bravely came back to russia and they arrested him and tortured him in prison. should there not be a consequence for that i think it should be. for them to say well, it is okay to do that but just don't kill him. okay, they're going to keep him in jail and torture him. >> well it is a great point of how far the gold post has moved when you explain it that way.

biden also threatens consequences for putin if cyber attack continues. and, biden said that not only did he say no more cyber attacks. he was specific to putin where the cyber attack occurs would be off limits. let me just play it for you. >> i talked about proposition that certain infrastructure should be off limits to attack. i gave them a list. if i am not mistaken, 16 specific entities from the energy sector to our water systems. >> obviously russian entities just attacked the largest pipeline of the eastern coast of the united states. does putin take that seriously? >> it is interesting to hear president biden that he asked hypothetically how he would feel

in one of russia's line was attacked as well. president biden made clear that he didn't issue any threats in these meetings but i think comments like that sends a message to vladimir putin can appreciate. i am not sure how one cinterpre that as naive. when he said he does not think vladimir putin wants a cold war. what they come to terms with both don't want a hot war. i think it does benefit putin to continue some what of a cold were and have this tension with the united states. his focus is on what's happening domestically and his own country and not what the west is doing. that's not the end of all that he's looking for. >> thank you both, i appreciate you. thank you so much. new details about how desperate donald trump was to get his doj to investigate the

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president trump was so desperate to get the justice department overturn the election that he lost that he considers replacing the acting attorney general of the last day of his administration with someone else, another doj official would do his bidding do his bidding. trump became extremely close to make clark the akcting attorney general. why would you do that when you only have a few weeks left in our administration. clark was urging the doj leader to issue a letter. trump wanted the guy who was behind the letter. jeffery rosen was resisting pressure from team trump to push the big lie which of course not just about georgia there included in the e-mail of bogus claims. trump's white house assistant sent to rosen an hour before.

this is pretty stunning that this was all going down that trump would go to such length of the final days to overturn the election. how close did trump come to get rid of rosen and putting in clark here? >> arguably hours or maybe days if you want to be generous about it. this all comes ahead of the timing. this is clearly ramping up through late december and early january when most people are on vacation and not necessarily meeting for a series of last minute white house meetings to buy more time to convince the president not to fire the defense attorney general. between new year's eve and sunday january 3rd, this was what was going on. the president was held on doing

this until his team meets with him, you can't do this, it will cause a mess and it is not going to do wla you think is going to do and it is already established as biden winning at that point. it shows you how desperate the president was to try to claim a win any way he could and how he was willing to reek havoc with the doj and how many people had to take this emergency team measure to make him stop. >> the threat i know from your reporting became so serious.ous. they rushed to the white house on new year's eve. >> right. >> how many exactly? >> well, rosen and his deputies are rushing to the white house because they're trying to buy more time to pull the president back. the president was focused on his handful of states that he thought if he can bring up enough claims of fraud it may

make people question the election results. he had a guy who was not an acting attorney general that once stepped down who would have been ready to step into that reach. rosen was able to hold him back and manage to do that until trump decides to go whole hog again. it is clark, the person trump wants to replace rosen with that i am going to be the new acting attorney general which tells you how far the president got in executing that decision. for all the time they're buying clearly the president was still informing the next person in line that get ready you are going to be on. >> amazing. thank you very much, it is incredible reporting. let's go to elie honig, this is stunning. i am looking here to make sure i have all this accurately. clark who was going to relace

roplace rosen, right? this is stunning and georgia went audit after audit with the same results. the president found someone at the doj to may have tried to overturn the election. >> this was scary when you look at all the facts that had laid out. this paints a portrait of a dark white house gone mad that lost all sense of truth and is mad with power and desperate in the final days to avoid losing it. the fact they were trying to use the justice department and forget about a loyalist but someone who was off the rail, jeffery clark and credit is due here to jeffery rosen. he was not a perfect attorney general, he went along with a lot of trump's worst instincts

but here in the final days, jeffery rosen took a stand for the trooit uth really. >> he was trying to do in realtime through official legitimate kmchannels. he was not out there spouting off anger and spinning around. he was trying to take a path for action. >> absolutely. when i looked at these e-mails, this was very real, they were not sort of spitting into the wind here. they had a plan. the most chilling single piece of these e-mails came out was they drafted an actual brief that they wanted the united states justice department to file in the supreme court looking to otherver turn the election. united states of america as the plaintiff in this case was chilling as somebody who works

at the department of justice. this was a real plan of action. >> now, look, they were at this time or a little bit after but obviously after the insurrection you had some key resignations, right? this was before that. look, doing this and getting rid of your acting attorney general and issuing a letter saying georgia's election results should be overturned is not going to play the way you think you play. she's also talking about the possibility of mass resignation. do you think that would have happened given so many people who was apart of that had not done so? >> i absolutely do think there would have been mass resignations. you can see the e-mails, they are disgusted by this. they understand how dangerous this is and i absolutely think

and especially in these final days. they were rational enough to know it was over. by late december, any person who have a brain could see it was over. with that said, trump still could have gone ahead of it, he could put jeffery clark and that would have taken us down a dangerous path. that's what saved the day here. >> you got to call it out. even you pointed out about rosen. okay, there are a lot of things one could criticize and not standing up. it is important to note it. thank you very much, elie, i appreciate it. senator manchin opposed the voting rights bill. could he change his mind and vote forward of crucial changes. southern baptist elected a new president, the face of qanon. >> i started thinking and i quoted even trump above god.

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opening to some modifications to that proposal. he's also opening to potentially moving ahead with his legislation even if it does in and out hav not have republican support. this comes after withering criticisms that he's gone from the left to be the lone democrat to not sign off on that bill because of such voting law changes should be done. do democrats want to get on board because they want to make the whole argument that the whole caucus was behind this and having manchin could under cut the key they made going forward. still 60 votes would be needed to advance such legislation, they simply do not have 60 votes

even if they get manchin on board. the first vote could occur next week. schumer took the procedural step to set up a vote that would happen sometimes next week. all moving towards as democrats trying to woo one of their own to get behind the effort here. vice president harris met with texas democrats who successfully blocked the voti v overhaul bill. >> all citizens have the raight to vote. >> representative, i appreciate your time, you met with her, what was your message to vice president kamala harris in your meeting? >> thank you so much, erin. our message included asking them

to continue to keep voting rights a priority. president biden and vice president kamala harris have said they are prioritizing the protection of voting rielts for americans so we want them to make sure and we want to make sure they can't to do that and provide any type of in pput fors to help us combat the assault that had been lodged against texans when it comes to our voter rights. >> senator manchin says he could support ss-1. this could make a big difference especially when you think about election laws that's being proposed in states across the country like yours. he wants changes and one of those is the new voter id requirement. m he wants to drop no excuse a

absentee voting. would you support legislation of the bill if those changes were apart of it, get the bill for those changes to happen? >> listen, there are about seven of us who just met with senator man manchin. we just spoke with him and what i am hopeful for that he's still at the table. the fact that he's still negotiating and willing to have discussions mean there is a potential for progress. he did reiterate voter id provision but i don't think it looks like what we see in texas. texas already has one of the most strict, we have the strictest voting laws in the nation. and when he's talking about voter id, it may not be the same type of voter id at that level that we have in texas that are

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nick valencia is out front. >> reporter: in nashville, the morning began the same way it often does for the thousands in attendance. for some first time attendees, this year the southern baptist convention is a reckoning for christianity and the nation. >> does this space have a place for politics? >> yes. >> reporter: a big loss last night when moderate ed litten was elected president. teaching critical race theory will take place in the church and society. the only way to stop it is for southern baptist to get more involved than ever. >> when you say separation of church and states, you are basically discriminating against a group of people.

>> reporter: in the spirit of talking about congradiscriminat does your stance against critical race theory runs the risk of pushing people out from the sbc? >> no. >> reporter: why not? >> because in christ there is no color. >> reporter: the reality is very different at the convention ground. the 35-year-old kelan adams is one of the few black people here. he was voted for the first time this year. he has hope for litten who was politically conservative but considered a moderate by some in the denomination on issues like critical race theory and the black lives matter movement. >> there is a reason why younger people like him and being flexible and understandable towards different like some of the newer issues that have come up with within the sbc. >> reporter: more progressive issues? >> exactly. >> reporter: sex abuse survivors

williams and thickpin says litten should focus on politics. a recent letter between the southern baptist leaders brought to light of new allegations of alleged spiritual and psychological abuse of power. >> reporter: litten called churches places for people to feel protected. >> i think we have to find a mechanism and a way to help train our people, get more churches involved and wanting to create as safe environment and to be known as great commission people. >> reporter: thickpins says some in the denomination and even her best friends have turned their back on her for speaking out. >> the church needs a day of reckoning and it needs a

stripping down of the basics of everything that you say you stand for and everything that you claim to represent your view and the world of the great commission baptist. how does the world see you? do they see you as hypocrites? >> reporter: the path ahead or the sbc is clear for some but that path may not be for all. the sbc is juggling how to handle more progressive issues like critical race theory and black lives matter movement will not strain too far from its foundation. ed litton will have to handle the issues at the political debates. >> thank you so much nick. i i i want to go "outfront" to

pastor ed litton. thank you for speaking out. you are facing a cultural divide for people in this country and in your church of this issue of critical race theory. the southern baptist church recognizes that it is apart of society and conservatives southern baptist pastor, mike stone, says "our lord is not woke." what do you say to that who believes that the church is drifting too far to the left? >> there is no moderate wing of the southern baptist convention and i am certainly not a moderate by any theological definition, i am conservative in my faith. the reality is we are facing a real cultural needs in the cities that we are pastoring and trying to minister to people's desires and hearts and needs and

their needs for the gospel and know the love of jesus christ. this is not a left ward drift at all. it is not a good characterization baecause there are no real moderates in southern baptist lives. >> i understand that. "our lord is not woke," angry that you are recognized as a group and critical theory, what do you say to that? >> we never condone critical race theory. we have before it's a world view, it's a way of seeing things in the culture we live in but we do not adopt it. we may teach it to help pastors understand it's a mechanism used in our culture and we have to understand it because --

>> the southern baptist convention is adopting systemic racism isn't true. >> that's not what i'm saying. we don't subscribe to critical race theory. that's part of what you just said. we don't subscribe to it. that's a false narrative. we believe in gospel reconciliation. >> i'm sorry, maybe we're just misunderstanding each other in the worlds but i do want to try to understand this because i think it is so crucial. so you're saying there is system m -- systemic racism but there are some who say in your own faith group that quote our lord isn't woke and are frustrated they would do that. how do you have those conversations you feel that is crucial to what this country is going through? >> it is crucial to what our country is going through and the answer to that question is jesus tells us to come -- the word of god tells us to come reason together and so what our desire

is that when we come to our convention, that we gather and reaffirm our doctrine statements and nothing changed in any of the our statements in this c convc convention and won't and reaffirm our mission as a convention of 50,000 churches so we reaffirm those but we need a better conversation about this because these allegations are false. we are not -- and let me tell you why i think this is happening because there are people that are afraid of dealing with this issue and it's basically recognizing that people of color in our communities are creating the image of god and have value because got not only loverd the and redemed them and wants them in his family. it's our mission to get that gospel message to everybody. >> let me ask you another thing. there is a vrecent poll that shows 25% of white e vovangelic

believe in the qanon conspiracy. you know him. he said he was speaking to pastors from every denomination and told me saying literally every single day and they're talking about this problem. some pastors are promoting the sentiment. others are trying to combat it. i want to play pastors that are putting this to her flax along with christen qanon believers. that's what you'll hear hear. >> there is a demonic hedge against president biden. >> we have people in our government that is compromised and there is a plan trying to turn that over and get them and put these people behind bars. >> the groups i was in, i'm going to these more than i go to church once a week. i'm up here for two hours every night committed to these and i was like that's probably not right and then i started thinking and they are putting trump above god. >> cnn spoke to a retired

southern baptist pastor parker in mississippi and he said it was solid, conservative thought. past pas pastor, have you encountered this? >> i have not. i don't know many pastors who have. it's a fringe problem and so almost 50,000 southern baptist churches, most mastpastors are faithfully teaching god's word. they will open the bible and bring messages of life to people, hopec conspiracy theories are across the coulture. there are all kinds of fringe elements to believe a lie. >> you're taking issue of the poll with 25% and another pastor said 10% of the congregation. do you feel any burden, obligation, responsibility to

try to stop this whether you define it as fringe or not? >> well, no, it is fringe but yes, i have an obligation with my people, especially that i teach on a regular basis to not listen to fables and descriptions are very clear about that and so to build your life on the word of god. at that time the foundation of our lives. and so the bible is very real and it deals with real life issues and so yeah, there are conspiracy theories and people that follow those things and our people, our pastors you will find are faithfully shepherding flocks with the word of god. >> appreciate your time and thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next china in a major show of aggression over taijuan. what will biden do?

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with humira, remission is possible. tonight as president biden is focused on russia, china making a major show of aggression in taijuan flying 28 military planes over the island the largest since taijuan began reporting and experts warn china may be closer to military action in taijuan than ever before. will ripley is on the ground. the u.s., the u.k. says china is part of a threat to global democracy but this is crucial, right? this is taijuan. the issue of sovereignty and whether china will take over countries. what more can you tell us about beijing's show of force? >> reporter: this is certainly a dramatic escalation in this part of the world and beats the previous record, erin, of 25 planes back in april and it comes at a time just 48 hours after that g 7 joint

communication scolding china over issues including the up is presentation of democracy in hong kong, the accusations of genocide against muslims and the intim intimidation, the military intimidation of taijuan and an island of 23 million people china claims as its own territory even though the civil war ended more than 70 years ago and in taipei they had their own government since. it's the only chinese speaking democracy in the world but china refuses to acknowledge this government and every time they think the united states or other western democracies are moving closer to taijuan, they respond in kind with this kind of thing. you had 28 planes, two kinds of fighter jets, nuclear capable bombers, anti submarine and intelligence early warning aircraft. so this kind of a signal is one to intimidate taijuan but they did not violate tiawanese air space and international law. they did enter taijuan's air

defense zone and they wouldn't need the bombers if they were to attack taijuan, that analysts say is a message to the united states which has a troop station in japan and guam and those bombers could target those american troops in those locations. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. incredible. only chinese speaking democracy in the world. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. president biden is airborne heading back from his summit with vladimir putin and departed geneva with a distinction not publicly siding against his d diplomats as his predecessor did. this was a normal meeting between a super power and influential but quite difficult. president biden's meetings ran shorter than expected and the president said i did what i came to do. >> the bottom line is i told president putin that we need to have basic rules of the road that we can all abide by. i also said there ar