are you a podcast person? do you go to apple podcasts? for your place to get podcasts? you will see, in apple podcasts, a new offering. >> what is it? >> with the big star, d lemon, called "the handoff." >> ha-ha. wait, who is that guy on the left? >> good hairline. they really don't like what we see because they don't even show our mouths. first episode is out, brother. >> i know. but they are telling us to shut up. and look ugly. >> i will tell you what. you win this. because you have better spacing of wide eyes. look how close my eyes are. beady, beady, little eyes. you have nice spacing. so what do you want people to know about this? >> what i want people to know about it is, you know, it -- in the media, it's been said, oh, it's what they do every night. it's not going to be do what we do every night. it is -- we are going to up the ante. because the freedom we will have in a podcast, it's not on

broadcast or on cable television, where you have a bit more restraints and the parameters are tighter. in a podcast, we are freer, as you are freer on the radio. to say certain things, to talk about certain things. but what i want people to know is that this is a place for everyone to come to. as i have said, if you are -- if you aren't easily offended, you definitely want to watch us -- i mean, listen to us. if you are not easily offended, you definitely want to listen to us. because -- especially, if you are, because we are going to toughen you up a little bit. as you know, i don't -- i believe in accountability. i don't believe in cancelling people. i believe that people are fallible and that they're human. and in this podcast, we are going to say things that are provocative. the way people talk in person, with each other. how people, often, make mistakes in conversations because that's what we do. and if people make a mistake, then we talk about it. we don't cancel people for being human. we need to allow people to be

human, and allow people to, if they do make a mistake, to apologize, to come back, to move on. restoration. that's what america is about. redemption. so, in that, the whole reason i am saying all of this is because we are going to go there, in this podcast. and you are going to learn a lot about us, and a lot about yourself. what do you think? >> strong words, from a man who probably can't be cancelled. >> that's not true. >> the question is shou long whow long will it take me to get cancelled because of a podcast, of all things? >> i don't think -- i don't think that you are going to get cancelled because you say -- because we are talking about something. and we're hashing it out. and you have questions and that you're curious. i want people to be more curious, and less judgmental. and the only way you are going to get cancelled, if you do something that is -- that you shouldn't be doing. >> oh, look. neither of us can say that and don't sell "the handoff" short. one, we don't know what is going to get you cancelled.

the line slips, all the time. i believe that the right has weaponized a lefty perversion of decent discourse. i blame the left, for this. the right has weaponized it. they use it against the left, in different targets when they want to. but this is a mistake. this is an allegation equals a conviction. and if i don't like it, you lose. it's a problem but that's not what we are doing on the "handoff." >> i'm just saying give us some -- give us some room. >> give us some latitude. >> and give other people some grace, room, and latitude. >> and if you don't, we are going to take it, anyway. because look, you are dealing with two veterans. don and i share many things, other than our affection and our family bond. which is, we have been doing this a long time. we know who we are. we know what we believe. and neither of us has a whole lot of concern about people not agreeing. or wanting to take us to task about it. if you want to know what is going on inside our hearts and our heads, about what we cover. >> and in our lives. >> and in our lives.

we go very deep, in this first episode, by the way. i -- i -- i really -- you know what? covid brain. i don't remember 100% of what we did in the episode. but people who have listened to it today were like, wow, man, you know, you really said some stuff in there. you really -- so i am going to have to listen to it, again. because i don't even remember what i said. you sure as hell weren't protecting me. but people were pretty jazzed by it, early on, and i dig that. i dig being provocative and i hope it offers people food for thought. >> i got ya. and look, i agree with you. and there are people who -- look -- you know, you have been around me and my family. i have disagreement with my mom. >> uh-huh. >> we -- you know, raise our voices. mom. >> going to lose, though. >> yeah, i'm going to lose. but this is -- this is -- these are my notes for my family coming up. at first, they said book -- i said i'm going to book your flights. and when i book them, that's it because i'm paying for it, roundtrip, everything, come on up. don't change it. i know, right? don't change the dates or

whatever. so then, i call them back and say, hey, i missed a couple people's birth dates. oh, we have some small issues and i'm like, ah, my gosh. >> how many people? you have too many damn family. >> one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. nine or ten of them. it depends. >> so many. they come, and they're all running around. all these kids. >> they're beautiful, though, aren't they? >> and everybody's got something to say. lot of good-looking people. interesting, interesting set of good-looking genes. >> some beautiful, black folks. and we're all mixed up from down in louisiana. we got some creole going on. we got some, you know, interracial marriages, whatever. i did get my mom's eyes. >> no, her color is different on h her eyes. >> that's what i just said. >> my mom is like -- we did her dna. she is like 75, 73% european. >> she's good looking but she can do ugly fast. she gets up in my face. chris. chris, i'm like, listen, lady,

you better back off. i don't want trouble. >> the handoff. anywhere, you get your podcasts. with apple podcasts, sorry, sorry. apple. sorry, apple. were screwing up and we just started. >> that's it. we're getting cancelled. >> i love you, d lemon. i got to get out of here. >> i love you, too. >> i got to feed my family. >> i will see you later. i love you, too. this is "don lemon tonight." thank you, so much, for joining us. a lot of big, big news, today and tonight, as a matter of fact. but i want to start with the overwhelming vote in the house, tonight, establishing juneteenth as a federal holiday. can you believe that? many of you are probably unfamiliar. so, for those who are unfamiliar, juneteenth marks june 19th. that's 1865. that was the end of slavery, when a union general announced, in gavellveston, texas, that slavery was over in accordance with president lincoln's 1863 emancipation proclamation. black-americans. but that was two years after.

can you believe it? black people were free and emancipated, and then didn't find out -- it was on purpose, purposefully -- that they weren't free or emancipated, two years after. so, black-americans have long observed juneteenth as the unofficial end of slavery in this country. though, you know, it has been a state holiday in texas for 40 years. it hasn't had full recognition. well, as they say, a change is going to come, right? the senate passed a bill just yesterday. president biden, expected to sign into law. as juneteenth national independence day. juneteenth national independence day. keep that name in mind and i will tell you why in just a moment. the house vote, nearly unanimous. 415. 415-14. democrat alexandria ocasio-cortez noting tonight that the 14 dissenters are all white-republican men. >> i mean, this is pretty consistent with, i think, the republican base. and it's -- whether it's trying

to fight against teaching basic history, around racism and the role of racism in u.s. history. to, you know, there is a direct through line from that, to denying juneteenth. the day that we -- that is widely recognized, and celebrated, as the symbolic, kind of, day that -- to represent the end of slavery in the united states. you know, there is a direct-through line, between that denial of our history, and wanting to understand the full scope of our history. and celebrating the end, a major end of injustice in the united states. and i think it's a -- it's a shame. >> well, one of those voting no, texas republican chip reid saying this. chip roy, excuse me. today, i voted against the juneteenth national independence day act, which would establish a new-national holiday called juneteenth national independence day. juneteenth should be commemorated as the expression of the realization of the end of slavery in the united states.

and i commend those, who worked for its passage. i could not vote for this bill, however, because the holiday should not be called juneteenth national independence day. but rather, juneteenth national emancipation or freedom or otherwise day. okay, chip roy. the name, needlessly, divides our -- our nation, he says, on a matter that should be -- should, instead, bring us together by creating a separate independence day based on the color of one's skin. okay. okay. there is nothing divisive about recognizing the history or freedom or otherwise. in fact, it's quite the opposite. it's a shame that you can't see it. but history will see it. and tonight, president biden is flying back from overseas after telling russia's leader what the united states expects from him, if he is going to be a player on the world stage. biden mincing no words. saying that, despite doubts by

some, that he should not have met with putin at -- at this point in his young presidency. and that he was boosting putin's world -- world image. he accomplished what he set out to do. here he is. >> i told president putin my agenda is not against russia or anyone else. it's for the american people. i, also, told him that no president of the united states could keep faith with the american people, if they did not speak out to defend our democratic values. >> well, that is a far cry from this humiliating spectacle the world saw just-three years ago. >> my people came to me. dan coates came to me and some others. they said they think it's russia. i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. i have great confidence in my intelligence people. but i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful, in his

denial today. >> cringy, isn't it? well, that moment was so embarrassing, that fiona hill, an adviser to president trump and joe biden, as well. told me, last night, that she looked for a fire alarm to pull or a medical emergency to fake to just end it. seriously, she said that. biden, on the other hand, though, not bending to putin. but knowing that dealing with him is not going to be easy. putin, for example, refusing to take responsibility for massive-cyberattacks in the u.s. but biden, publicly, threatening possible retaliation if the attacks don't stop. and there's more at stake here. not just with russia. joe biden knows, full well, that democracy is under attack. not only around the world, but right here, at hopme, as well. >> a lot's going on. i don't know about you. i never anticipated notwithstanding no matter how persuasive president trump was, that we'd have people attacking and breaking down the doors of

the united states capitol. i didn't think that would happen. i didn't think i'd see that in my lifetime. and i've never seen, including the civil war, such outward assault on voting rights. i mean, just a flat assault. i didn't anticipate that happening, four years ago. it's happening now. there is a lot at stake. each of the countries. we have our own concerns but we still, as long as i'm president, we are going to stick to the notion that we're open, accountable, and transparent. and i think that's important message to send the world. >> well, as it turns out, surprise, surprise, vladimir putin doesn't like being questioned about how he imprisons political opponents. and in some cases, has -- has them murdered. so, what did he do? saw an opportunity to equate them with the black lives matter protestors, who took to the

streets after george floyd's murder. >> translator: america, quite recently, had to deal with terrible events. after the murder of or the killing of the african-american. and black lives matter ensued. i don't want to make any judgment about that. but what we saw, mass violations of the law, and so on and so forth. we sympathize with the americans. but we do not wish that this kind of thing should happen on our territory. and we will do our utmost to prevent it. >> hmm. the defensive, right? well, putin going on to express sympathy with those who stormed the capitol on january 6th, as if they're, you know, political dissidents or something, rather than rioters who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

>> translator: people rioted and went into the congress, in the u.s., with political demands. and many people were criminals and they are threatened with imprisonment from 20-to-25 years. and these people were, immediately, arrested after those events. one of the participants were just shot, on the spot. and unarmed, as well. >> hold onto that. so, he is talking about ashli babbitt. but it's -- the logic doesn't make sense there, because he talks about one type of violence, right, with the protestors around the country. and then, he says that that's bad. but then, the violence that happened at the capitol is, in some way, in his mind, good. logic much? so, in that last statement, he

is talking about ashli babbitt, who was shot by a police officer, while she was breaking into the capitol. and putin's saying that those, who rioted on january 6th, were exercising their free-speech rights. he says that, because he knows that's -- that's a right that we have in america, that they just don't have in russia. and everyone in this country has that right. all of the people, who have been arrested and charged in connection with the deadly insurrection. nearly 500 of them. have due process. a right to a fair trial. the russian leader wants to twist what happened, to provide cover for his own authoritarianism. and republicans, in congress, who are denying the riot even took place, are taking a page right out of putin's playbook. this is gop representative, paul gosar, just yesterday. grilling fbi director, christopher wray. >> the capitol police officer that did the shooting. ashli babbitt. appeared to be hiding, lying in wait, and gave no warning before killing her. question, again, why hasn't that

officer that executed ashli babbitt been named, when police officers around the country are routinely itidentified after a shooting? >> it's not one we have been directly involved in so i really can't agree or disagree with your characterization. >> sounds good. >> just today. the justice department releasing new videos of the insurrection. americans, violently, breaking into the capitol. desecrating it. yet, some republicans didn't see what the rest of america witnessed. >> it was no insurrection. and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. >> outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national-security state against law-abiding u.s. citizens. especially, trump voters. as a result, the doj is harassing -- harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day, not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others.

>> when i see this sheet on our timeline. and on the, let's see, okay, at 2:07. a mob of trump supporters breached the steps. i don't know who did a poll, that it's trump supporters. >> there have been things worse than people, without any firearms, coming into a building. >> those are your leaders, america. and the right-wing media has been playing the denial game. and claiming it wasn't trump supporters, as well, who stormed the capitol. they spent months trying to pin the blame on followers of antifa. you know, disguised as trumpers. that failed. because it's just so ludicrous. now, the right, especially fox-propaganda host, tucker carlson, blaming the deep state and claiming the fbi is behind

the insurrection. seriously? >> you know why. they were, almost certainly, working for the fbi. so, fbi operatives were organizing the attack on the capitol. on january 6th, according to government documents. and those two were not alone. in all, revolver news reported there are, quote, upwards of 20 unindicted co-conspirators in the oath keepers indictments. all playing various roles in the conspiracy who have not been charged for virtually the exact same activities as those named alongside them in the indictments. huh? so, it turns out, that this white supremacist insurrection was, again, by the government's own admission in these documents, organized, at least in part, by government agents. yeah! >> at least that time, it wasn't in the form of a question, as it

often is. so, no surprise. following the pied piper of nonsense, qanon supporting congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, pushing this new line of garbage tweeting we need names and answers about the fbi operatives who were involved in organizing and carrying out the january 6th capitol riot. first, they had a back-up plan. to stop trump and russia collusion witch hunt. now, we are finding out they were deeply involved in january 6th. deep state. oh, boy. which might work, if not for, you know, the truth. it was not the deep state. wasn't antifa. it was trump supporters, incited by trump. fooled and fueled by trump, and the big lie. there is your answer. so, the united states president met with the russian leader.

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with russian president vladimir putin. biden saying that he did what he came to do during the three-hour meeting. and that proof of progress will reveal itself, down the road. let's discuss, now. fareed zakaria host of cnn's fareed zakaria gps. he joins us, now. fareed, good evening to you. good to see you. so, give me your take on the summit and how it went for biden and for putin. >> i think it was very successful. i think it was successful for both of them, which is, after all, what -- what you expect in an adult setting, like this. with adult-foreign policy. i mean, really, the theme i would say is the adults are back. you are in a serious conversation with a country, with whom we have many, many differences. but it was -- it was professional. it was cordial. you know, all the things that sound boring but this is what kind of keeps the world stable. and peaceful and prosperous. you know, by -- you -- you try to construct predictable, stable relations among the most-powerful countries in the world. i -- i don't think -- it

wasn't -- people have used the word summit, a lot. and i think that conjures up the kind of cold-war summit, where you had a big arms-control agreement that was going to come out of the summit. or a big deescalation that was going to come out of the summit. this wasn't a summit, in that sense. and so, you know, people may be surp surprised well, what came out of it? this was more like a bilateral meeting among two of the most powerful countries in the world. and it went well. it went -- you know, it was good -- good -- a good rapport was established. it's all happening, of course, against the backdrop that you described. which was the last of these, which was a complete fiasco. which, you know, which was an x show, let us say, i'm not going to use the word on -- on television. but that has all been -- you know, that's in the past. we now have a normal, great power diplomacy between the united states and russia and

that's great. >> yeah. i found myself, as you said, the you-know-what, you know, i didn't have to sit there and say oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh. what's he gonna -- oh. see what i found myself doing, my normal business and checking in and out on the television, as one would do in -- in a, you know, in normal circumstances. let's talk about what happened, though. cyberattacks. biden gave putin a list, fareed, of 16 critical u.s. infrastructure targets that were off limits saying that the u.s. has significant cybercapability, and will respond if attacked. and when asked about if he delivered any ultimatums, he said no. but then, he said this. here it is. >> when i talked about the pipeline, that cyber hit for 5 million -- that ransomware hit in the united states. i looked at him. i said, well, how would you feel? if ransomware took on the pipelines from your oil fields? he said it would matter. this is not about just our

self-interest. it's about a mutual self-interest. >> so, i mean, it's a little like, nice pipeline you got there. a shame if something happened to it, no? >> absolutely. and that is -- that was actually a move forward in a fairly aggressive move by president biden. so, the big problem with cyber, unlike nuclear or chemical, is it's very hard to say, for sure, that something came from a particular country. a particular address. what they call attribution is very hard. so, what you are trying to do is create a generalized climate of deterrence. where you're saying exactly what you were saying, which is we're just going to tell you we would be very -- this would look very suspicious. and what biden said, for the first time that i am aware of, is that the united states would respond. and would respond, in kind. this has been the big question. how do you treat a -- a -- a -- a cyberattack? when the government in north korea, as far as we can tell,

shut down sony's computers. remember, this happened? they essentially destroyed about 70% of the computers of sony entertainment in -- in l.a. the united states' government did not do anything. it did not view that as an attack on the united states. what biden is saying is an important shift. which is, he is saying, you do something like that, particularly to critical infrastructure. that list of -- we will respond. we will respond in kind. re -- reminding putin, of course, probably, the world's most sophisticated cyberoperation is in the united states. the national-security agency and some other agencies we have. so, we can -- we can counterpunch. >> yeah. so, i got it. let's see. both, you said, did well. the adults are in charge. bilateral, not a summit. and respond in kind. i was taking notes. got it. fareed zakaria, thank you very much. it's good to see you. >> glad you were taking notes. >> thank you, fareed. make sure you watch fareed zakaria gps, sunday, 10:00 a.m.,

and 1:00 p.m., right here on cnn. 21 republican representatives voting against gold medals for law enforcement officers who defended the capitol on january 6th. one officer who was there defending the capitol, trying to get meetings with them. and instead, facing hostility. officer michael fanone tells us about it. there he is, live, he's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ it would be cool to ride a horse on the moon.

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and we're back. congresswoman liz cheney slamming the 21 republicans who voted against giving the congressional gold medal to officers who defended the capitol on january 6th. >> the police fought for us that day. they defended us. they, i'm sure, saved lives. they defended the capitol. the idea that they wouldn't get congressional-gold medal is just -- it's outrageous. >> should kevin mccarthy do something about these members?

>> it's outrageous that they voted no. >> she just looks exasperated these days and rightfully so. if it wasn't for the hundreds of brave officers who defended our capitol from the violent mob, january 6th could have been a massacre. i am talking about heroes like d.c. metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, who almost died from the insurrection. he was brutally assaulted and tased, multiple times. here is part of his body-camera footage. >> i got one! >> easy. >> well, officer fanone went back to the capitol -- back to capitol hill today to try to talk to those 21 lawmakers and he joins me tonight. mike, good evening. thank you, i appreciate you joining. >> thanks, buddy. appreciate you having me on. >> why did you go to talk to those 21 republicans who voted against hthis bill? and were you able to talk to any of them? >> so, i -- i just went there,

today, to try to schedule appointments to speak with the 21 members that voted no for the gold medal bill. and acknowledging the u.s. capitol police officers, as well as the mpd officers who responded to the capitol insurrection, on january 6th. i really just went there to engage with them. talk to them about my experience. show them body-worn camera footage from that day, if they were interested. and, you know, again, like, just relay what my experiences were. and what the experiences of some of my colleagues were. i didn't go there with the, you know, thoughts that i was going to change a bunch of hearts and minds. but i wanted to better educate them, as to what officers' experiences were that day. and, no, again, i didn't meet with any members, other than, i did bump into representative andrew clyde in an elevator. >> yeah. well, let's talk about this, because you ran into him.

congressman andrew clyde. here's what he said about january 6th. watch this. >> let me be clear. there was no insurrection. if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal-tourist visit. >> so, we have this picture up, now. i don't know if you can see it. i think you're in the studio, and you can. this is clyde trying to barricade a door, on january 6th. which, clearly, wouldn't be necessary with just-normal tourists. so, what happened when you introduced yourself to the congressman? >> so, like i had said, i, you know, i saw congressman clyde standing outside the elevator. i was there with officer harry dunn, who accompanied me throughout the capitol. went -- went into the elevator. i told -- i, you know, greeted congressman clyde. i was very cordial. i extended my hand to shake his hand. he just stared at me. i asked him if he was going to

shake my hand, and he told me that he didn't know who i was. so, i introduced myself. i said that i was officer michael fanone. that i was a d.c. metropolitan police officer. who fought, on january 6th, to defend the capitol. and as a result, i suffered a traumatic-brain injury, as well as a heart attack, after having been tased numerous times at the base of my skull. as well as, being severely beaten. at that point, the congressman turned away from me, pulled out his cell phone. looked like he was attempting to pull up, like, an audio-recording app on his phone. and again, like, never acknowledged me. at any point. as soon as the elevator doors opened, he ran, as quickly as he could, like a coward. >> like a coward. didn't shake your hand. >> correct. absolutely not. >> what do you think of that? >> you know, i -- obviously, like, i took that particular interaction, like, very personally. but i, also, took it as a representation of andrew clyde

giving the middle finger to myself and every-other member of the metropolitan police department and u.s. capitol police that responded that day. >> um, we reached out to clyde's office for comment. but we haven't heard back. and you said that he seemed to be, again, fumbling with his phone trying to record -- record you, right? >> correct. after i introduced myself, and explained to him, you know, who i was and what had happened to me on january 6th. neither one of us spoke to each other, after that. but he did pull out his phone. it -- it was apparent, to me, that he was trying to record any, you know, additional conversation that we had. but, you know, i felt compelled to confront him. specifically, because of the comments that he had made. you know, other congressmen who voted against the bill. you know, they had different reasons. whether it was language that was in the bill. but congressman clyde has made some pretty incendiary remarks downplaying the event. and, you know, to be honest with

you, downplaying is disingenuous. he just out and out lied. and the reality is, like, at this point, if you're going to sling bullshit about january 6th, i'm going to call you out on it. and you're going to be held accountable. >> yeah. were -- were people complaining about you being there? i heard you said that there were complaints about you being on the hill? what was the problem? >> so, i mean, just -- >> complaining about you being there on january 6th but go on. >> correct. i mean, most of our interactions, again, was just with staff members. the staff members were incredibly cordial. you know, they, you know, wanted to assist us, you know, in setting up meetings with members of congress. or with their representatives. and, you know, some of them even expressed, like, a -- you know,

significant interest in having a sitdown with their representatives. we did have one interaction with a representative, i believe, from -- from montana. i can't remember his name. but his chief of staff seemed like very uncomfortable at harry and i's presence at their office. and i believe that stemmed from the fact that we were there, just to discuss january 6th. i mean, again, we were very cordial. obviously, i knew that there was some potential for, you know, some degree of hostility. just at my mere presence in their office. so, i went about it, you know, with the perspective of killing people with kindness. and tried to be overly polite. and, you know, i have no regrets about the interactions and my behavior, that day. i think some members, andrew clyde specifically, and this particular chief of staff from the montana representative's office. their behavior was pretty damn

disgusting. >> yeah. >> officer fanone, mike, thank you. >> appreciate it. >> appreciate it. don't miss cnn's special report, by the way, it's called assault on democracy, the roots of trump's insurrection. our drew griffin has new details on what happened that day. that's sunday night at 9 p. sunday night right here on cnn, assault on democracy. did a top-trump adviser want joe biden to win the election? my next guest suggests, yes, at least one did. he will tell us about it, next. ♪ this... is a big deal. now, at healthcare.gov, millions more people can afford health coverage. due to the covid relief law, you can pay less with financial help. in fact, 4 out of 5 customers can get a plan

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as soon as the -- the president leaves the plane, and gets off the plane, we will bring you the live pictures of it. in the meantime, we are going to move on here. and talk about the coronavirus. 13 states, fully vaccinated more than half of their residents against coronavirus. and cdc is predicting coronavirus deaths, hospitalizations, and cases will decrease, over the next-four weeks. but experts are warning, there is now even more of a reason for people to get vaccinated. so, joining us now is the former-white house senior adviser for covid-19 response. before we get to that, let's get to the president, now. there he is. president joe biden. deplaning air force one, back from a world trip meeting with world leaders. and again, with that historic meet bei meeting today with vladimir putin. it was a summit, they say but our fareed zakaria says it was much more a bilateral meeting than a summit. so, there is the president. and speaking of, the president

has been dealing with world issues. covid-19, one of them. so, joining us now is a former-white house senior adviser for covid-19. andy slavitt. he is the author of the brand new book "preventable, the inside story of how leadership, failures, politics, and selfishness doomed the u.s. coronavirus response." thank you very much, andy, for joining us. kind of perfect timing there. you got the president coming off the plane, where he has been talking to world leaders about all of this stuff. what's happening around the world and also, covid-19 has been a big part of that. so, lots of big news but the cdc now says the delta variant, first identified in india is, quote, a variant of concern. a study says the variant may be twice as likely to spread, and leads to the -- leads to double hospitalizations. it currently accounts for close to 10% of cases in the u.s. how concerned are you? and how concerned should the man that you see there, on your screen, live, the president of the united states, be about

that? >> well, good evening, don. i'm very unconcerned, for people who have been vaccinated. and i'm more concerned for people who have not been vaccinated. and the communities, that are largely unvaccinated. because as you know, most people live -- live in clusters. so, either, everybody they know is vaccinated. or most people they know are not vaccinated. and in those communities, of -- of a covid that spreads twice as fast is not a good thing. so it's one more reason for people to take this seriously, and say, wow, we've got great vaccines. we're so lucky to have them. maybe, i should take one. >> uh-huh. >> or two. >> or two. right on. right on, brother. so, let's -- i want to talk about your book, as well. you write about a conversation that you had with dr. deborah birx, back when she was president trump's white house coronavirus response coordinator. she was front and center, at the beginning of this pandemic. at every briefing, with trump. and then, this happened. so, the -- you know, the -- i'm not going to show it.

let's just talk about it. the bleach moment. the -- you know, light inside and outside the body, whatever. before it was clear who would win in 2020, she told us that she wanted -- that -- she told us who she wanted to be president. what -- she told you who she wanted to be president. what did she say? >> well, she looked me in the eye. she knew i was there to talk about, think about whether there was potential preplanning for a transition. and she said, i hope a certain person wins. she locked eyes with me. and it wasn't hard to imagine why that was the case. you know, she went from the white house darling, to being replaced by scott atlas. and anybody who thought that they didn't like deborah birx, they just hadn't had a chance to meet scott atlas, yet. >> when you saw her at the end of october, 2020, you write that she was, quote, downright scared. talk to me about that, andy. >> she knew we had a big wave coming.

she had seen it in the data, but she was not permitted to talk to the press. this harkens back to another part in the book in february when alex azar who was often doing trump's bidding had wanted to go on "fox & friends" and say things are fine, which they weren't, but things could change rapidly. the white house pulled him from "fox & friends" and he and the department were not allowed to talk to the media for 45 days. so imagine this. we have a pandemic started. and our own department of health and human services isn't allowed to talk to the press and the that you can. that was the pattern throughout the whole of 2020. if you didn't agree with trump's narrative about the pandemic, you were shut down. that's what happened to birx at the end. >> andy, it's always a pleasure to speak with you. we had you on all the time in the middle of quarantine and at the height of the pandemic. we love having you on now. the book is fascinating. thank you for your time and thank you for writing this book.

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>> you said -- >> what i said, let's get it straight. i owe my last questioner an apology. i shouldn't have been such a wise guy. the last answer i gave. >> kaitlan is gracious enough to say that the president's apology was completely unnecessary. imagine that. apologizing. a president. biden did the right thing by apologizing, an action totally unfamiliar to the last president, who often went way out of bounds with the press. >> that's such a racist question. honestly, i know you have it written down and you're going to tell me. let me tell you, it's a racist question. >> what do you say to americans who are watching you right now who are scared? >> i say you're a terrible reporter. that's what i say. she is shocked that i picked her. in a state of shock that's okay. i know you're not thinking. you never do. >> i'm sorry? >> no, go ahead. >> sorry doesn't have to be the hardest word. it really doesn't.

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