tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN June 21, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
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we haven't bleeped the video to give you the full context of it. >> tighten up, tighten up. >> let's not be fucking yelled at, all right? >> a milkshake. >> ha ha ha. >> idiot. >> proud boys. >> oh, jeez. president barack obama warning democracy is on the line ahead of a major voting rights bill that is expected to fail in the senate and the biden administration facing a critical week on capitol hill as democrats try to make gains on top agenda items before the july 4th break. so i want to go right to cnn's senior legal analyst mr. elie honig. let's play one of these videos being used by the justice
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[ shouting ] >> fuck you! fuck you! >> go, go, go, go, go! >> so, elie, i'm glad you're here to talk about this, i have some questions about it. we saw the freeze frames, the arrows, them pointing out people and activities with circles. what are they trying to show with this video? they're trying to show possibly a relationship between various people, by circling them? what are they doing? >> yeah, i think first of all, don, they're highlighting who the defendants are who are charged in this case. they're also trying to just establish straightforward truth here.
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look, there's strong evidence, there's smoking gun evidence, and then there's this. there's as guilty as we can see on that video, that's as straightforward as it gets. it's so important that the justice department collects this evidence and puts it out because there needs to be a record of this. those people sure as heck do not look like tourists to me. they're all going to get convicted, i predict. most of them will go to prison. it's just a question of whether they flip on one another first. >> so elie, prosecutors think this was a key moment in the pro-trump crowd, violently breaking police down, beating them down to move further into the building. do prothe prosecutors have a stg case here? >> this is what they used to call push and play, slide the vcr into the tape machine and hit play for the jury. this is a key moment.
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arguably, i guess, you could stand outside the capitol and yell and protest. but when you storm the capitol, when you over power, when you start throwing objects, throwing punches at cops, you are way, way over the line. let's remember, when it comes to telling the truth about what happened on january 6, congress is not doing its job. the white house said it won't have a presidential commission. so it's not doj's job to do this but they'll be the only institution left standing to give us a record of truth of what happened these day. >> elie, you say these indictments stress that there was a real element of organization, a free planning here, it wasn't as i remember lone wolves. can you speak more to that, please? >> so this is important, because if you look at the indictments, they charge that these members, in this case of the proud boys, in another case of members of the oath keepers, that they acted together, that they in some cases planned in advance, that they coordinated with one
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another, the first video we saw tonight showed them planning in advance, the one guy says, "quiet, don't say that on video." that proves that this wasn't some spontaneous thing, this wasn't some harmless thing. this is, legally speaking, a conspiracy, a coordinated effort to storm the capitol and stop the counting of ballots going on inside that day. >> elie honig, always a pleasure, i appreciate your expertise. >> thanks, don. our senior cnn analyst john avlon and kirstin powers, good evening to both of you. more video, more to come. amanda carpenter was on last week and she was right, she said we'll be seeing these videos for years to come, more and more will be coming out and it seems that's what's happening. again, good evening to both of you. jon, as the company opens up, we're coming back to a totally different economy, supply chains
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are disrupted, there are worker shortages, crime is spiking across the map. ten mass shootings in the u.s. just this weekend. you've got the breaking news with what's happening with people trying to gaslight us about an insurrection. how does joe biden navigate all of this sort of post-pandemic, post-trump reality that's happening? >> it's a real storm, and it emanates from a fundamental lack of trust or a decrease in trust. the trump years decreased trust by effectively putting truth on trial every day. the pandemic decreased trust. you see this decrease in trust in civic institutions, among fellow citizens, resulting in violence, some absurd behavior. the best joe biden can do is to try to set an example that starts to restore trust. and there are heavy headwinds he's facing against that, given the republican party's decision to double down on the big lie
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and make it official policy. trust did not erode overnight. it's not going to be rebuilt overnight. but in some ways that's the highest responsibility of his presidency, is to try to restore some trust between fellow citizens and our government again. >> kirstin, worker shortages are becoming a major problem especially for people in low-paying jobs. 600,000 low-paid retail workers quit. a $15 minimum wage was brought up again today by the white house. do you think that's the answer? >> i don't know, because the reasons people are doing this are complicated. some people are getting better jobs. some people have decided, you know, after going through what they went through with covid, a lot of people have reevaluated their lives and they're making a lot of changes and a lot of people are quitting their jobs.
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i think a lot of people are having the attitude that life is too short and now i want to do the things i really want to do or i don't want to work for this terrible boss anymore, i don't want to work for these low wages anymore. it's given them the impetus to find something better. so -- >> hey, can i ask you something, kirstin? i think you're right, when you go through something like that and come out the other side, are people realizing that they can get along with less resources, they can be more connected with their family, i know that's part of it, not all of it, jon, i see your face, there are a few people -- because jon, listen, you and i live near each other, every single store, every shop, every restaurant, there's help wanted signs everywhere and people say they can't find workers. as you said, people are reevaluating, kerstin. don't people say, listen, i
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learned to get along with less so, as you said, i'm going to do the things i want to do and refocus my life and do things differently? >> yeah, i think, look, i think that this country generally has had a problem in terms of people valuing the right things. i put myself in that category as well. we're just very materialistic, very consumerist, driven, hypercapitalist as a country. and we were forced to slow down. and sort of stop for a lot of people. and i do think a lot of people had a chance to kind of sit back and say, wow, there's actually a different way to do things. you know, we had to adjust, everybody had to learn how to work from home. i'm talking to you on a phone right now, right? we all learned how to do things differently and saw sort of possibilities of doing things differently. so i do think that's part of it and i think that -- i think it's good for biden, you know, to
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want to improve wages so people can have a living wage doing the work that they need to do, there's no question about that. but a lot of people are moving. people are moving to be back home, closer to their families, where they're originally from. there are a lot of different things at play here that are kind of out of the control of joe biden. >> and don't get us wrong, we're not saying that's the only reason. we're saying that is part. people are reevaluating, people want better paying jobs, they want to be able to take care of their families, they want to work. but you're right, some people have reprioritized. i see it in my personal life, people are reprioritizing and maybe one parent is at home when both parents were working and they downsize a bit. go on, jon. >> that is part of it. >> part of it. >> folks who made fundamentally changes in the pace of their life, that's great, god bless. but you also talk to a lot of small business owners and what they've said the relief the government made at critical moments was so generous that
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some of their workers decided they didn't want to go back to work right away. so that is a legitimate cause of a policy debate, whether it's created a worker shortage in effect through disincentivizing work because the minimum wage was low in the past. >> that's what i was going to say, because people have realized what an actual living wage is. is it the onus on the business to pay a living wage in order to get people back? because i think that's a red herring, that whole argument about, you know, you've incentivized people. pay them a living wage and then they'll go back to work, everybody wants to go back to work. >> i also think we should say, for a lot of people who decided to take the money from the government and not go back to work, they kind of didn't have a choice, because they had children. >> right. >> absolutely. service the right thing to do. >> jon, i know you're not casting aspersions, but there
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are people out there who believe that people are just sitting around, you know, by the pool drinking mai tais, when in fact they were educating children, suddenly, and they needed to be at home. >> so look, i think we're in a major moment of correction as it relates to jobs, the entirety of the country. we have to see how it all shakes out. thank you, many elements, to be considered, thank you both, i appreciate it. i want to turn to former president barack obama using the january 6th insurrection at the capitol to pus for voting rights legislation. listen to this. >> our own history should remind us that democracy isn't a given. if we truly want a government of, by, and for the people, and i believe that the overwhelming majority of democrats and republicans and independents want that, then we're going to have to be vigilant in fighting
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back against attempts by the few to silence the many. and that's why what's happening in the senate this week is so important. >> so let's discuss now with the former president biden senior adviser david axelrod, also a cnn political commentator. david, thank you, i can't wait to hear what you have to say about the former president with a chilling warning about the fate of our democracy here, a day before the senate votes to advance a voting rights bill. why is he speaking out, and what do you think he's trying to reach here? >> well, look, tomorrow's a big day, because they're going to try to on-board this voting rights bill, the large voting rights bill that was advanced from the house, now it's senate bill 1. and, you know, the question is will they get 50 votes to advance the bill. and, you know, the big eyes will be on senator joe manchin.
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he's advanced a compromise bill that is -- that president obama spoke well of in his remarks. he says it's not everything we want but it's a meaningful bill. but that's not the one that's going to come up first. the question is will manchin begin the process by advancing this voting rights bill so there can be a debate. and, you know, we'll know the answer tomorrow. so my guess is that the president had two audiences. one is manchin. and the other is progressives, or are progressives, who are perhaps unhappy with the manchin compromise and what obama was saying was, that would be a big advance if we could pass that. so i think he had two audiences with his remarks today. the one thing, don, i think he said that is important, and not to be lost, and you and i have
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talked about it before, he singled out those provisions in some of the state laws that have been passed that would essentially give legislatures the opportunity to throw out voting results, to overrule what local officials have done or had done in counting the votes. and this of course is what president trump wanted last fall. he wanted the legislatures to essentially nullify the votes that were counted by local officials. this is a heat-seeking missile that goes right to the heart of our democracy. and it shouldn't be lost in this debate. you know, there are things that are really egregious that are being passed by the legislatures. but this one is fundamental to democracy and really, really dangerous. >> amen. here's more from the former president. >> right now, at least, republicans in the senate are lining up to try to use the filibuster to stop the for the
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people act from even being debated. think about this. in the aftermath of an insur insurrection, with our democracy on the line, and many of these same republican senators going along with the notion that somehow there were irregularities and problems with legitimacy in our most recent election, they're suddenly afraid to even talk about these issues and figure out solutions on the floor of the senate. they don't even want to talk about voting. and it's not acceptable. >> what are republicans afraid of, of even debating ce ingdeba? why? >> because i think they're afraid of losing elections. their constituencies are shrinking and they're using this system to try and restrict voting so as to improve their
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chances. i don't think it's even a mystery, don. this is a way of gaming the system in their favor. >> that's it. all right. david, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. >> okay, it was good to see you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ the light. it comes from within. it drives you. and it guides you. to shine your brightest. as you charge ahead. illuminating the way forward. a light maker. recognizing that the impact you make, comes from the energy you create. introducing the all-electric lyriq. lighting the way. ♪ ♪ this is power. so's this. you recognize it. but for the corporate special interests and billionaires buying our elections, dark money is power. billions spent manipulating elections. gerrymandering partisan congressional districts. and restricting our freedom to vote.
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so the supreme court issuing a landmark decision against the ncaa that could completely change the multibillion dollar college sports industry. the court unanimously ruling student athletes can receive education-related payments. interesting. the court appearing to least door open to future challenges that could lead to the fall of even more spending limits placed on student athletes. joining us now, the legendary bob costa. the ncaa has been accused of profiting off athletes as it rakes in more and more money. but this is the blow that changes and reshapes college sports forever, possibly? >> seems like it's headed in that direction and it's been headed toward that tipping point for a while. that old model is no longer
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sustainable. the idea of what they're calling nil, name, image, likeness, you should be able to cash in on that whether it's a big star or a middling player. if they have some fame in a college town and want to do a television commercial, they shouldn't be prohibited from doing that. room and board in college is valuable but there are other expenses in being a student that a stipend could take care of. the devil could be in the details. this is a hypercompetitive atmosphere. what you don't want to have happen, and the court has not ruled on this, but there is likely to be future litigation, what if we just want to say, hey, we're not going to make any pretence that this is mostly about academics, we have a kid who could take us to the final four and some big booster wants to pay him a million bucks.
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not that i have anything against these kids making money, but at some point you're going to have a competitive imbalance that's even greater than what we may see at present, because there's no way -- if you say, look, okay, everybody's going to get this stipend, that's fine, you got a 60 or 70-man roster in football or 16 or 15 players in women's or men's basketball. will you do it all the same? or will you do it like the pros where the biggest stars get the largest amount of money, and how will that work? >> thanks for that, bob. since we're in pride month, i would to talk about carl nassib, now the first active nfl player to announce that he is gay. he announced it on instagram. here it is. >> what's up, people, i'm carl nassib, at my house in westchester, pennsylvania. i want to take a quick moment to say i'm gay, i finally feel comfortable enough to get it off my chest. >> so the commissioner, roger
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goodell, has put out a statement showing his support. how big a moment is this for the nfl? >> i think it's significant. i think goodell's statement was entirely appropriate and supportive and included the line that said "we hope that soon enough, something like this will no longer be newsworthy." >> nassib said the same thing as well. >> yeah. i don't know him but he seems to be a very together young man whose priority is, i'm basically a private person but i feel like i should acknowledge this and then go out and play as best i can. a few years ago, michael sam, all american player at the university of missouri but didn't quite measure up in the nfl, he openly announced during the draft that he was gay, but he never was able to play in the nfl. and there were players through the years, jerry smith who was a receiver with washington in the nfl, there have been a handful that came out, nba, major league baseball players, came out after they were active. but now this young man is
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willing to put up with whatever backlash may come his way on the field and we know what a macho environment it can be. so in a certain sense this is a courageous act he's undertaking. >> i think we're long past that, i hope i'm right. >> i hope so too. >> we'll see. but he's certainly brave to do it. bob, i know this is important you to, can we talk about the olympics? the games will move forward in japan despite vaccination rates and against the advice of the country's top medical adviser. it was already moved from 2020. should they be delayed again? >> i said this last week with chris cuomo, i said it on bill maher a few weeks before. ideally they should be postponed because in theory, by 2022, the world will have a better handle on this, and japan, which has lagged in vaccination rates,
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will be safer her. ideally that's what should happen. but i'm not saying that's what will happen, not just because the ioc is determined to go ahead, but if they don't, there are significant obstacles. every olympic city repurposes the various olympic stadiums and villages, so they've already pushed those contracts back a year. push them back another year and you'll have all kinds of litigation, japan's olympic villages to be turned into housing and commercial properties and whatnot, and there are already contracts out for concerts and athletic events at some of the other arenas. plus next year you go up against the world cup which in many parts of the world is more popular than the olympics. the u.s. track and field championships are in oregon next summer at the same time that a postponed olympics would take place. so you've got a lot of dominos that would fall and contracts
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that would be up for grabs. ideally, yeah, theredelay it an year. but there are a lot of conflicts that would create. >> we covered a lot of ground, the ncaa, a player coming out, the olympics. we got it covered. and happy belated father's day. >> thank you so much, don. republicans and democrats can't seem to agree on much of anything these days but one issue is getting bipartisan attention. why the navy isn't letting cameron kinley to delay his commitment to play in the nfl. d. to us, the little things are the big things. which is why we do everything in our power to make buying a car an unforgettable experience. happy birthday. thank you. we treat every customer like we would treat our own moms. because that's what they deserve.
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and just signed with the tampa bay buccaneers. i spoke to him just last week. >> it's definitely been tough the last couple of weeks, dealing with the decision, being so close to accomplishing one of your childhood dreams and having it taken away from you. >> kinley doesn't understand why the navy isn't allowing him to play even though they made that exception for others. republican congressman austin scott pressed the acting army secretary about that. >> accommodation was made for malcolm perry. accommodation has been made for four additional people. it seems to me his is the only accommodation that has not been made. why is he different, why should he be given less of an accommodation than others have been? >> i can't speak for what the army and air force secretaries decided. i did not have a conversation with them about this. but, you know, looking at the, umm, two most famous naval academy graduates that played, they both served first.
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>> stolbstolbach served first? >> yes, sir. >> that was a long time ago. >> for us, david robinson and roger starback were recognized as graduates who served in the military and that added value to us. >> congressman scott joins me now along with his colleague on the armed services committee, democratic congressman john garamendi of california. i'm so glad to have both of you gentlemen on. this is a very important story, so again, thank you so much. cameron kinley told me he is frustrated because there isn't an appeal process. is it possible for him to fulfill his nfl dreams while still serving his country? >> absolutely. he should be granted the appeal. the secretary of the navy, i expect, and mr. del toro, i expect will be approved shortly.
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he should be granted the appeal. he should never have had to go to an appeal. and i expect that the armed services committee will actually have to speak on this issue, not him specifically, but on the issue of the academy, some of the granting waivers and others not granting waivers. it won't work for the army to do it, the air force to do it, and the navy not to do it. as you noted, the exceptions have been made in the past, exception should be made for mr. kinley. he's asked for nothing more than the others have asked for and he should be given nothing less than the others have gotten. >> before i get to representative garamendi, a quick followup, representative scott. cameron said he spoke to the vice president at his graduation to see if she could help and as i mentioned earlier, marco rubio is requesting president biden to
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intervene. >> it should be worked out through the secretary of the defense or the secretary of the navy, or the national defense authorization act won't be passed. but that's too late to him. we need to move on this issue. senator rubio forwarded a letter to the president of the united states. i'll have continued conversation with the administration and see if we can get some movement on this in the right direction. >> now to you, representative garamendi. i want you to listen to what cameron kinley said on this show and then we'll discuss. >> time is of the essence, with training camp starting july 24, if i don't have any new decision by then, there's no way for me to go back down in tampa bay. during my time in tampa, i wasn't getting any questions about football and who do we play at navy but it was all about the military and the naval academy and my experiences. so i was already having the opportunity to serve as an ambassador for the navy and to
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recruit. and i would just like to be able to continue to do that in the future. >> representative xwgaramgarame makes a great point about advocating for the navy. but are you optimistic that he will be able to get a waiver in time? >> i think he will, and he certainly should. other waivers have been allowed in the past, in fact this year. so there needs to be consistency and what we have is mass inconsistency here. so yes, he should be allowed to go forward. and i think it will happen. you've got three weeks, four weeks out there to get this thing done. the current acting secretary needs to revisit this and he can do so. all he needs to do is to change his mind. cameron also said something very important here, and that is he could actually serve while playing for the nfl. it puts him in a great position to be a recruiter, to talk about
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the on and off, talk about the recruitment that needs to be made, and frankly, we need to have more men and women of color, and he can certainly do that from the position as an nfl player. >> as a member of the armed services committee, is there anything that can be done to make this process -- that the waiver process is fair for all graduates at the service academies? >> we're doing it right now, this is national news. there will be a lot of pressure on the acting secretary, as there should be. i do believe we do need a consistent policy across all of the academies. right now it doesn't exist, it seems to be the whim of the secretary at that time. that's not good. we need to deal with it in laugh. >> i can't tell you how grateful i am for both you gentlemen appearing, bipartisanship at its finest.
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we'll see what happens. please come back when there's some movement on this and update us, thank you so much, i appreciate it. >> thank you, don. >> thank you, don. it's an apology 62 years overdue over something that never should have happened in the first place. but emory university medical school is now setting the record straight after rejecting marion hood's mapplication in 1959 because he's black. dr. marion hood joins me next.
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simply because he's black. that wasn't enough to stop him from going on to loyola university, having a long, distinguished career in medicine. and dr. marion hood joins me now. doctor, thank you so much. this is a nassfascinating story. i'm honored your here. the short rejection letter you received in 1959, it reads in part, i am sorry, i must write you that we are not authorized to consider for admission to a member of the negro race. wow. what did you think when you received that letter 62 years ago? >> it was not a surprise. i did not expect to get into emory university. i was doing this for like a protest, sort of like the kneeling of the football player. it was to let them know that i thought what they were doing was wrong. and it all started with a
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professor of emory received an honorary degree from clark college, which is now crockett university in 1959, that was the year i graduated. and i sat and watched that and wondered why a professor from emory could get a degree from my college when i could not even go over to his college. and so i wrote the letter to a classmate of mine, asking him to help me get into emory medical sc school. if you notice, the letter says "we received your letter and we have to let you know we are not permitted to admit members of negro race." it was a letter i wrote to him as a classmate from the year
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1959 from clark college and requested him to help me get into medical school, knowinknowing f full -- >> it says, in closing, your application to our school of medicine, and at the end it says "i'm sorry," the thing i read, and then said i am returning your $5 application fee, so at least they gave you more money back. you attended loyola university, you became a respected gynecologist and obstetrician, you delivered at least 7,000 babies, probably more. now you're retired and you meet socially with friends and you tell these stories about your lives and you share this rejection letter from emory. tell me what happened next. >> the gentleman asked me for a copy of the letter to show to
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their children and grandchildren. one of them had it in his briefcase. he went to starbucks on cascade in atlanta and he dropped his briefcase. by the way, he used to be in charge of finance at emory university. and he had had a stroke. and he could not pick up the papers. so a young man picked you want papers for him. when he was picking up the paper, he read the letter and took a picture of it. and from the picture, he put it on the internet. that was about three years ago. and every february, that letter circulates. but the intent was not that i was going to get into emory. it was really like a protest of the times in georgia at that time. >> as you said, for you it was like kaepernick taking a knee, you wanted to take a stand and
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help people to see the hypocrisy. so pressure built on emory to do something. this year you received a letter of apology. it says, we are deeply sorry this happened and regret it took emory more than 60 years to offer you our apologies. you were the ideal candidate for our medical school. an apology does not undo our actions. it's an acknowledgement of the pain caused by our medical school and our opportunity to share our regret deeply with you. it goes on to talk about steps they're taking to increase diversity at the school. what did you think about that letter, doctor? >> we decided we would tell the story during juneteenth. and that was in february that we had the discussion. so up until juneteenth, there was planning going on, and emory decided they would do something to make amends. i was offered several things,
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and one was honorary degree from emory university medical school. it all got started by somebody getting an honorary degree, so i decided i did not want them to give me an honorary degree. and then they went on to say they would issue a letter of apology which you read, which was a good gesture. and i thought the most important thing was they were going to tell the story. and so we had a lot of conversations about what had transpired since that rejection letter, how i got to the point of going to college, coming from where i came from in georgia. >> let me ask you this. it goes to what you were saying. you experienced racism at loyola university and then when you were seeing patients. where do you think we are in the
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history of racism in this country? >> i always said what goes around comes around. the more things change, the more they stay the same. i think that we take three steps forward and two backward. in a direction that's better for us. i don't think that -- i don't think that race relationships are much different than when i was growing up. when i was growing up, we were in fear of -- of -- of white people. and in this day, we in fear of white people and others. so -- so, they are -- they're feeling some of the anxiety and the fear that -- that black students or black people grew up with and live with everyday. >> well, dr. hood, we are so grateful that you could join us. thank you for being an example. i'm so glad that you had a
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successful career. and that you help today bring all of these amazing children into the world. what a legacy. thank you so much. >> thank you. we'll be right back. scient. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal.
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reduce td movements in adults... ...while i continue with most of my mental health medications. (vo) austedo can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington's disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have suicidal thoughts. common side effects include inflammation of the nose and throat, insomnia and sleepiness. don't take austedo if you have liver problems, are taking reserpine, tetrabenazine, or valbenazine. austedo may cause irregular or fast heartbeat, restlessness, movements mimicking parkinson's disease, fever, stiff muscles, problems thinking, and sweating. (man) talk to your doctor about austedo... it's time to treat td. td is not ok. visit askforaustedo.com
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tonight, i'll be eating a pork banh mi with extra jalapeños. [doorbell rings] thanks, baby. yeah, we 'bout to get spicy for this virtual date. spicy like them pajama pants? well, the top half of me looks good. no wonder we still single. hello lenny28. wait a minute, i know a lenny28. ooo...lenny is cute! can i get some privacy, please? so, you may have noticed that chris was off tonight. talking about chris cuomo. you might know him, somehow. so we didn't have our usual handoff. if you feel like you missed out.
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check out our new podcast. it's called "the handoff." chris and i are taking you behind the scenes with an unfiltered look at our friendship, and what we are talking about. and in case you didn't know, a new season of my podcast "silence is not an option" is out, now. i am very busy. lots of podcasts. well, at least two of them. thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. it means "cyan-ora" honor roll. the epson ecotank. no more cartridges. it comes with an incredible amount of ink. just fill and chill.
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