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the retail fanatics said that the nassib's jersey is the highest sold jersey in the last two days. the league says it will match nassib's $100,000 donation to the project to help prevent suicide deaths among young people. i'm going to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> i hope we are here for the day this isn't an event. where nassib doesn't have to come out, where nobody has to come out. that will abe a good day and i hope we start making progress from where we are so far. i'm happy for him, but i wish it wasn't so consequential for everybody and we had to monitor it for him. michael samm never played a game in the nfl even though he was a warrior and a crusher in college
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and highly sought after because of the mental strain of the year following when he decided to come out. so i hope that things continue, least say optimistically, to get better. anderson, appreciate your report as always. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." how about now, democrats? have you had enough? mcconnell did exactly what we knew they would do. they tanked even the suggestion to debate the need to curtail state efforts to send voting rights back 50 years. they won't even allow debate. nothing to fix, says senator mcconnell. really? if there is nothing to fix, then why don't you say that to all the red states that say they must pass these laws to fix fraud. why don't you say that to them?
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because you're playing the game, and it is ugly and obvious. and i want you to hear the words of a leader made for today, nailing the reality of this moment. i think the tragedy is that we have a congress with a senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to keep the majority of people from even voting. they won't let the majority of senators vote. and suddenly they wouldn't want the majority of people to vote, because they know they do not represent the majority of american people. in fact, they're representing their own states, a very small minority. question for you, my brothers and sisters. who said it? chuck schumer? president biden? former president obama? pelosi? nope. none of them. our current dilemma is merely an echo of the exclusionary tactics
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of a generation ago when this was first said. listen. >> i think the tragedy is that we have a congress with a senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to keep the ma skbrmajority of people to vote. certainly they don't want the majority of people to vote because they know they don't represent the majority of people. in fact, they represent in their own states a very small minority. >> dr. king a half a century ago. you know, we thought this battle was over, but it wasn't. the stakes are once again the same as then. dr. martin luther king jr. pushed the senate to overcome a culture of exclusion back then a year before the civil rights act
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of 1964 passed, two years before the 1965 voting rights act. here we are talking about using a filibuster to keep from suppressing the votes of minorities and others. it is an existential battle. this is not about left and right. it is about right and wrong. and i don't understand many how you can see two sides on this. i don't see how you can believe any suggestion that these laws don't do anything to retard anybody's rights. they don't really limit. all they do is limit to one degree or another. the minority is trying to keep the vote to them as close as possible and lying about that intention. listen. >> well, the biggest lie being told in american politics in recent weeks has been that the states are involved in a systematic effort to suppress
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the vote. there is no effort in any state in america to suppress votes based upon suppression of minority participation. there's nothing broken around the country. >> if nothing is broken around the country, then why have 14 states enacted 22 new restrictive voting laws since the 2020 election, every one of them in every instance citing that election as the need for this law. 22 states that with provisions one way or another limit voting access, many of them targeting voters of color. remember, here's the hypocrisy. yes, yes, mitch, yes. those lawmakers who voted against hr-1 and s-1, they won on the same exact ballots they now want you to believe are fraudulent.
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a third of you believe this b.s. that they've been selling you. that's according to a new national poll. and now they'll point to the poll and say, see, people think that there was fraud, we should address it. you told them there was fraud. lie, defy reason, did know reality. even mcconnell gets what this is about. listen. >> the rotten inner workings of this power grab have been thoroughly exposed to the light. what a way to show your disdain for the american people's choices. >> he's exactly right. except he's talking about himself and his pals here on the left of your screen. terrorists storming the capitol. his party that very night voted to carry out the efforts of the rioters and overturn the election, failing to certify is what they wanted. that was one of the biggest power grab attempts in american history. so now what? manchin from west virginia, the democrat of the moment, and all the other democrats voted for a
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debate to happen on the bill they've been hammering out, all 50 of them. will that vote hold to do what they must now to get this protective process through? modify the filibuster and halt a move to take us back a generation or not. those are the stakes. let's ask a better mind, one who cast his vote to advance s-1 on the senate floor today, senator bob casey, democrat, critical background state of pennsylvania. good to see you, sir. >> chris, good to be with you. thank you. >> obviously the easy question is where do we go. >> well, chris, look, we have to continue to make the case. today was just the beginning. today was very clear that one party unanimously wanted to protect the right to vote, and the other party didn't even want to debate it. i mean, i think what you said earlier is important to emphasize. this was a vote to proceed to the debate. it wasn't even a debate -- or a vote on the bill itself.
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so one party did that. it's very clear to america now what the stakes are, but we're at the beginning of this. we have to keep fighting to make sure that more and more americans know what's at stake. i think there is a chance we can make progress just . just getting to 50, as you know, required some work, but i think we can make progress day by day, because at the core of these voter suppression laws in my judgment at the state level is white supremacy, simple as that. unless we continue to make the case on voting rights, then the other side will prevail, but i think today was just the beginning. >> help us understand that, that you have to start making the case. why isn't it just keep all 50 of your number together and convince manchin, sinema and a couple of others, we have to modify the filibuster to put it back to single talker, and when that expires, we can vote for closure and get it done. isn't that the only fight ahead of you if you want to get this
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done? >> i think it's both. i still think we have to continue to make the case to the country about what happened today and what's at stake. >> why? >> without a doubt, because i think still a lot of people around the country haven't tuned in yet to this. but we have to make that case. you're right. ultimately we have to modify at least the 60-vote rule. when you consider what happened just in the mid-1970s, that number went from 67 to 60. there is no reason why we shouldn't either reduce the number or bring about some other change to make sure that voting rights are protected. now, i've heard senators in our caucus who said, i have real concerns about changing the rule, but for this issue, i could be persuaded. so that's the case that they've made. so many of us are already there, but i still think we can make the case to members of our caucus about the urgency and the pri primacy of this issue, the right to vote. >> but you don't think you'll
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get 50 votes on the other side. you already have solid poll numbers of people believing these are problematic laws. >> i don't believe, chris, i think you're right, i don't believe we're at a point where we can say, okay, we have to make the case to republicans and we'll get 10 of their votes. i don't think that's possible. some may disagree. i'll listen to those points of view. but we have to make the case between and among ourselves to make a change to allow this to go forward. because when you consider what we were voting on toerday, the motion to proceed not just a voting rights bill, but a bill that would help reduce the influence of dark money in politics, a bill that would impose stronger ethical rules on all of us including bans. i think they were insulting and really giving the middle finger to the american people. >> lisa murkowski, i don't know what finger it was, but
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supposedly joe manchin and others were working on her to get her on the right side of this bill. she didn't even advance to debate. here's the part i didn't understand. why did you guys wait so long on this? you knew this bill was doa. you knew this was going to happen. this took too long, it seems to me, to get to this point. if you knew this is where it was all along, why didn't you -- not you, certainly, senator casey, this wasn't a standalone decision. but why didn't schumer and pelosi push more on this and give yourself more time to deal with this? >> part of the answer is when you're in the majority, you have responsibilities. when you have a majority and a presidency of your party, that means we have to do nominations day after day, nomination after nomination. we had to pass a rescue plan. we have to get this infrastructure bill off the ground, this physical infrastructure only a negotiation isn't going to satisfy me because i want home community-based services, i want investments in child care, i want investments in universal
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access to pre-k. to get that off the ground, we have to do that at the same time. we have to do a number of things simultaneously, but i think this is a very clarifying moment for the american people. every single member of the united states senate on the democratic side voted to advance the debate. i still think we can bring not just our party behind a bill when we get to that point, but i think we can end up changing the rules in some fashion. >> senator bob casey, always a pleasure to have you on the show. appreciate you on such an important night. >> thanks, chris. >> be well. so schumer, he's head of the democrats, head of the senate majority, he says this was the starting gun, not the finish line, on voting rights. senator bob casey just made that case to you as well. do you buy that? i'm sure they mean it, but how? how many of you are they going to convince and, what, you're going to make your republican senators vote for it? that's not going to happen, right? so what is the next move for the democrats? how do you get around the
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i see what you guys are talking about on social media. stop having the debate about whether or not the republicans were right to not like this bill as it is. that's not what today was about. your republicans brothers and sisters, they refused to vote to even allow a debate. you see, that's the sin here. you have arguments that this bill is no good. great, make them. they voted to not allow debate on the bill that they don't like. do you understand? that's what's unforgivable about this. something as fundamental as voting rights, they don't want it to have a fair hearing, because they don't have a strong case.
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zero voted to debate this. zero voted for the last covid relief package which they are now bragging to you about at h home. on the other side, zero amendments have been made for the for the act people. zero. they don't want to make it better. they don't want to change it. they just want to oppose. does that mean zero is also the number for any path to helping joe manchin or any other democrat get tag-along votes, murkowski or any of them. she didn't vote for a debate today, either, to get to 10. let's bring in van jones. good to see you, brother. >> good to see you, too, brother. >> i don't get this, the battle has just begun, says schumer, the battle has just begun says casey. they won't even debate it. why do you think they would vote for anything? >> let's talk about what's really going on. at the grassroots level, you have activists who have fought
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and bled and died to try to stop these bills at the state level. officials, i mean actors, i mean donors, they have done everything they could. >> it's not working. >> it's not working so they got steamrolled. now the republicans had to put on this full court press even though you knew and everybody else knew they would run into this stone wall. democrats are saying we don't want you to die on the battlefield, we did all we could at the congress level. the federal government is not going to help now. at the grassroots level, we are now on our own. we have to come to reality. we can call and we can do whatever. we have to get ready for one of the most consequential elections up the steepist hill with the most unfair rules in a generation or ftwo or three, an that's where they are. i understand why they want to keep talking about it and wave the flag, but we knew we would
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hit this wall. national democrats were correct not to let them fight and die on the hill by themselves, but hope isn't working. >> so you think it's over. >> yeah. i try to call this stuff fair. i think we have to keep the pressure on. i do think the senator is correct, there's a lot of people not paying attention, it's summertime, so you continue to define the republicans as the anti-right to vote. we have to keep that fight up. but if you're cold, hard, trying to figure out how to hold onto democracy, this is going to be a door-to-door grassroots slug fest in a state with some of the toughest rules. we have to get ready for that psychologically or we could spend a lot more time on this, even emotionally, and you know darn well you don't have 10 republicans. they won't even let us talk about it. by the way, it was an insult to the people who fought this thing out and won. you put the rules together in the republican states. it wasn't democrats. in georgia republicans wrote the
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book on voting, they enforced the rules, and we took those rules and ran. what you're saying is across the country, when we win, and black women in the leadership, we're going to say it's by definition illegitimate. when you change the rules, we'll play by the rules and the federal government can't help you. that's why people feel so bad about this, because you're wanting to play dr. king. they let us get down legally and legislatively and they did nothing. a lot of people were mad at assume schumer when he came out and said, you're using a bad rhetoric. don't say that, you're insulting mcconnell. the argument he made today, mcconnell, that the federal government has no business -- no business -- protecting voter rights? you haven't heard that for 50
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years. look, i wish i could come out here and say, hey, we're going to keep pushing and we'll eventually get to the table. this thing, at the federal level, the best i can tell, is a muscle exercise. we've got to get ready to register like we've not registered before. >> i tell you, i understand that part. i do think, though, this should be the hill to die on for your party. racial inequality was a big buyer for biden. he gave them a shot the party didn't deserve, but he thought the stakes were too high. now you're going back to him in this election saying, yeah, sorry, we had a couple of our own we couldn't control. i think that's a state of hill. van jones, we'll do it together. thank you. >> thank you. >> he's an organizer, so i get it. he's saying i can't look to them
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rk them, i need to get it done on my own. i know you voted to give us a chance to stop trump and all these folks on the outside fringe, and you took a beating on your rights. i think that's a tough sell. president biden is facing that. he's also facing another major challenge, combatting violent crime arising in many american cities. now, the question people are saying to you is why are crime rates spiking. be know why crown you have to break a sale. the question is do we have the
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here's the reality. we are shooting each other and killing each other at a fever pitch. homicide rates, they're up. now, i know they spike when it gets hot outside, but this is something we need to look at, okay? it may be more than seasonal, at least in some places like new york city when you look at these rates being up across the country. it's true in cities large and small, states red and blue. places that cut police budgets and where spending increased, and no, we do not see evidence that this is about police not doing their job anymore. so until you have facts on that, shut up about it, at least when you're on this show. president biden plans to address the spike tomorrow with cops as well as state and local officials. he knows this is going to be a huge political cudgel. tough on crime is a big
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political sell and you're hearing the right say it already. there are lives at stake. we have to start with the facts. let's do this tonight. this is wantnot a one and done. this is the perfect time to do it mt it. let's bring in the wizard of oz. let's take the first big cities. murder rates are going up, so what do you see in that baseline of numbers? >> i think it's important not just to compare to 2020, right, it's important to compare to 2019. the homicide rate is up 53% in new york. it's up 29% in los angeles compared to two years ago. it's up 21% compared to 4% in chicago. the democratic primary right now is ahead. it's very clear to me that the homicide rates being up is having some impact, at least at
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the ballot box. >> everyone said let's rethink it. new york had these big bail reform laws and figuring out how to do policing. now you have to figure out whether or not they are bearing the fruit of these measures, and we will look into this more. let's look into violent crime because now you get a pushback to the premise, which is everything is worse. >> this is really interesting to me. what we see here, look at the violent crime rate. this is homicides plus rape, plus aggravated battery. in fact, there is very little change compared to a year ago. in fact, compared to 2019 in new york, los angeles and chicago, the rates are all actually down. so whatever is going on in these cities right now is something that is causing the murder rate to spike, but the other violent crimes actually mostly to fall. so this is one of these puzzles and crime is often in these
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pu puzzles, right? if we knew how to bring down the crime rate, this wouldn't be an issue. >> we know rudy giuliani came in during the administration and doing the catching people doing small crimes, it wound up taking new york city to a much better place. now you have a reversal of that reality in this city, because you have people using guns in commissions of crimes and getting let out waiting on a case, doing it again while they're waiting on a case, and they're staying out. that is an issue. >> yes, that is true. obviously, though, we should note that the crime rates are much lower than they were, say, in 1990 when it spiked in new york city. obviously we saw a nationwide
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drop. i'm not saying one way or another whether it works. my father, who was a supervising judge in the bronx criminal court during the '90s, certainly believed it. but we have to put these numbers in comparison. at this point, there's no doubt the murder rate is up in new york and pretty much around the country. look, it's just starting to res resonate. beer still at about half of the people. let's see what happens when the numbers come through, the story is told and it if starts to originate. the right house are still dealing with the pandemic. >> we have set a basketball goal
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because everything is open now, anyway. remember, it hacht been approved yet. it is still emergency use. what does this all mean? we have to keep asking the big question. we should have never lived through this. they should know, because back 10 years ago, they did a movie called contagion. they all knew from sarah huckabee sanders. >> i want you to hear from them. how did you come up with something so uncanny, so unreal?
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fact, warning. >> we know our vaccines work against this variant, however, this variant represents a set of mutations that could lead to future mutations that inevade o vaccine. >> u.s. vaccinations are pungent even though the delta variant is spreading. is this something we should be more worried about it? the 2011 film "contagion." if you watch it, you will be shocked, one, how sanjay gupta looks better today than he even did ten years ago, but also that it nails what could happen, would happen and did happen, especially not just what we live through, but mutations or variants. watch. >> with the new mutation, we are predicting an rnot of no less than 4, and without a vaccine, we can anticipate that approximately 1 in 12 people on the planet will contract the
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disease. >> nailed it. it was supposed to be post-apocalyptic. it was supposed to play into that could be, could be. nailed it. joining me now, scott z. burns, screenwriter for "contagion," the chief scientist for the film. dr. lipton, good to have you. scott burns, how did you get this right? did you get lucky? >> i don't think i got lucky, i think i did what a lot of people with my job do, you start with research. i spent time with dr. lipton, people like lori garrett. they all said the same thing, this isn't a question of if this is going to happen, it's just a question of when.
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it did happen in lesser degrees. sars happened, other things happened. we have a whole history on the planet of kind of our ongoing battle with viruses. so it was sort of naive to think this was never happening again. >> your reaction to when we start going through it and it started to match your movie. >> i think the thing that didn't match the movie was what i was more sort of taken with, which was the complete and abject failure of our federal government to provide a coherent response. i knew what the virus could do. i think there's science behind that. what was most shocking to me was the realization that the virus would be sort of a tracer bullet through our society, and it would light up all of the inequiti inequities. we would see that front line communities and that people who don't have access to great health care would be affected in
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horrifying ways. so that was really my reaction. it was more about what we didn't anticipate than what science told us was likely to happen. >> you're a great writer. but even you couldn't have imagined what trump would do in calling a pandemic a hoax. we always say the fact is stranger than fiction. if people had written up what he was about and how he acted and tried to get someone like you to sell it to hollywood, they would have said it's not believable. doctor, looking at the vaccination rates now, when you see the fall-off from 3.9% the week of april 19, now 1.9, we're not going to reach 70, not that 70 was a magic number, but what does that mean when you define the reduced rate of vaccination and the increased rate of variants. what does that mean for us, doc? >> it's a disaster. it's something we have to address not only in the united states but dploeblly. we're very focused on vaccination in the u.s.
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but unless everybody is preblgtd everywhere, none of us are safe. these new variants emerged chiefly not in the u.s. but overseas. >> we have to start at home. how important is it that the cdc, the government, whoever it is, gets the vaccine approved for use and not jurisdiction emergency use? >> i think that's extremely important. it will eliminate one of the major objections that people have to taking the vaccine. but there still would be people who will say they don't want to take the vaccine. it's important to recognize that this has been challenged during the smallpox era back in 1905 when it went to the state supreme court in massachusetts and then to the federal supreme court. we may find ourselves there again. >> one quick question for you. sequel? >> oh, wow. you know, steven soderberg and i
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have talked about a sequel. i guess anything is possible. we talk about it. i'm not sure this one is over yet, so i think we still have a ways to go. >> we know this isn't over. we're just living like it is. i look forward to seeing what comes next, at least at the movies. the reality i've gotten enough of. scott burns, thank you for getting it right when you made your movie and talking about it now. and dr. lipkin, as always, appreciate the insight. we'll speak again. this is why i came to work tonight. i cried the right kind of cry. i watched "america's got talent." i don't usually watch the show. somebody sent me a clip. and somebody on this show blew me away not just because of her voice, not just because of what's going on in her life, but because what she told me what matters about my own. and she gave a message that is
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tonight's american is moving everyone with their hearts, with their voice and most of all with their truth. i want you to meet 35-year-old jane merkeski. last year doctors told her shade 2% psurvival after the cancer metastasized to the rest of her body. just two months, but the message she got was "live." she didn't let it stop her or her music. she goes by the stage name night bird, and i want you to listen to what comes out of her as her gift on "america's got talent." ♪ i wrote a hundred pages but i burned them all ♪ i burned 'em all.
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♪ i blow through yellow lights and don't look back at all ♪ i don't look back at all ♪ i can't hide, thought i knew what i wanted, but i guess i lied ♪ it's okay, it's okay, it's okay ♪ if you're lost and it's all right. ♪ it's okay, it's okay, it's okay if you're lost when all is lost and it's all right. ♪ oh ♪ it's all right to be lost sometimes ♪ >> you know, when you mix talent and truth, sometimes you make magic. and that performance earned her simon cowell's golden buzzer, advancing her to the live shows. she goes by nightbirde, and i want to welcome her to prime time right now. what a pleasure for me.
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i want to thank you. i want to thank you for myself, for my wife, for my kids, for reminding us what beauty looks like, what passion and purpose look like, and what we have to remember when you said you cannot wait for the bad things to go away before you decide to be happy about your life. it hit me like a hammer, and i want to thank you for that, you know, i didn't expect to even say it that day but i think that was a battle i was fighting for myself in my mind, you know, there is always those voices that say, you know, the good things aren't going to last but, you know, i was fighting it and i was saying it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter what happens tomorrow or what happens after this. today, today i'm so happy to be here and i'm i'm over joyed. >> in the wildest dreams that you gave yourself, to give yourself the strength to get
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through the suck, did you ever imagine you would be where you are now? >> oh my goodness, no. i always believed impossible things could happen and for many years, the impossible things that happened in my life were, you know, catastrophe and tragedy and loss, but this time the impossible thing that's happening is way better and way more than i could have ever asked for. >> who has reached out to you? what kinds of people have found solace in your song that surprised you? >> i think it's not just america tha that's responding to this but people from all over the world from all cultures and people groups and economic backgrounds. it's everybody, everybody is afraid to be happy sometimes, you know, because life is really, really hard and there is a lot of reasons to be afraid
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but there is also a lot of reasons to be thankful and my journey has taught me that we don't have to pick one, we don't have to pick, you know, life is hard or life is beautiful. life is beautiful and hard at the same time and that's when we're fully alive is when we can hold both. >> you know, it's -- when you say it with the context of where you're coming from, it is impossible to dispute unless yet isn't that what all of us do every day? i mean, maybe even you pre this that it is so easy for us to lose sight that you have to be happy no matter what life brings and you have to be present and you don't get to choose your moment. you got to make the most of every moment. it's so hard for us. what do you say to people? i mean, you know, of course, hearing it we're too ashameded
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to say my life is too hard. what do you say to them when they're in the struggle and like look, i'm not her. i can't over come things like that. it's too much for me. >> you know what? i'm not special. i'm not stronger than anyone else. i just might be -- you know, i just have the oaudacity to keep going in the face of reasons why i should not and the key to it is you don't deny the pain of today but don't deny the hope of the future. both are real. and you take it minute by minute, life doesn't really get easier. it really doesn't. you just have to believe in impossible things. >> got to believe in impossible things. you said give me a 2% chance. it's not a 0% chance and that means everything. i don't want to talk to you about what you're fighting but i
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want to talk about your fight. you have a go fund me page because cancer ain't cheap as anybody knows who had it. i want people to know about the go fund me page. we don't do this often but i want to do it because it's the right thing to do and i really want to thank you. very rarely does somebody hit me with something that i wasn't ready for that really refrains things for me and it was a good cry. you gave me a good cry and i hope that that -- the effect you're having i hope it means something to you, jane. i really do. night bird, why night bird? >> night bird is a great story. i had a reoccurring dream three nights in a row when i woke up in the middle of the night and i heard birding singing outside my window in the dark and the first two times it happened it was only really a dream and the third time i woke up, i really heard something and i went to
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the window and saw the tree outside full of birds at 3:00 in the morning, pitch black singing as if it sun had come up and it struck me so profound in that moment that these birds were singing as if the sun had come up but there was no proof of the sun yet, and i wanted to embody that, that i would hope even when there was no proof that i should. >> i want to tell ya, i mean, i don't know if you know anything about this show but these aren't often the segments i do but i don't know i could give anything to the audience that matters as much and i don't care about the show. i hope you do well on it and i'll be following now because of you. but your voice is beautiful. and i've heard other beautiful voices. but not that carry the truth, what they call the authenticity quickly on stake to me is more resident than just authenticity. you are truth to us that people
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can persevere and there is beauty in that and you are a beautiful example of it. thank you very much, my friend. good luck and thank you for what the gift you gave me and you're giving so many people. >> thank you. means the world to me. thank you so much. >> night bird, ladies and gentlemen. keep watching. keep singing. we'll be right back. in business, growth isn't just about getting bigger, it's about getting stronger. by turning workforce data into insights that help you make informed decisions about building a team that works as a team. and by using our ai technology to make accurate payroll easier even when the work it's paying for isn't easy. adp helps businesses like yours grow stronger every day. ♪ no, he's not in his room. ♪
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