good evening. we begin tonight with new video of what police saw, as the mob harassed and attacked them at the capitol. it shows, better than we or anyone could ever say, what some who were there, who were, themselves, under attack, are still closing their eyes to. more than a dozen news outlets led by cnn have spent months seeking access to video used in court against capitol riot defendants. today, the justice department released six more clips showing police as they were being overrun. again, some of the lawmakers, whose very lives were being protected by the officers you are about to see, would rather make up conspiracy theories about what happened instead of face the facts. most -- and these are republicans we are talking about -- are trying to pretend that none of this really happened or nothing was as it seemed. or that these were tourists or antifa, or anyone but supporters of the former president, which is what they were. some. these 21 house republicans would not even vote to honor the same police officers, you are about to see, putting their lives on the lipo to protect them.

and on the senate side, every single republican voted to block a bipartisan commission to investigate what was, after all, the worst attack on american democracy by americans since the civil war. we have been reporting on that element of a story for months and we will continue to. we'll continue to show you the raw video, whenever we get access to it. because, in the end, nothing speaks to the truth of january every better than what police saw and heard on the ground that day. first, though, we want to actually, i should say, before we play you an extended sample of this new video. do want to give the usual warnings about language and content.

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new video of the attack, as it really happened. in a moment, we will talk about it with the mother of the late officer, brian sicknick, as well as his life partner. it's a reality that so many l lawmakers simply do not want to confront. today, a senior-federal judge called them on it. we should point out the judge is a republican appointee, a former captain in the army judge advocate generals court. he is a heavy hitter. today, sentencing the first rioter to learn their punishment in the insurrection.

he judge -- the judge rebuked republican lawmakers. he condemned what he called the utter nonsense, his words, coming from them and from other right-wing figures, who are whitewashing what happened. again, quoting the judge. i don't know what planet they were on. does house-republican leader kevin mccarthy know what planet his members are on when it comes to their whitewashing and conspiracy theories? well, he was asked that today, as well as about house speaker pelosi's intention to -- a committee to investigate the attack. >> i have real concern, though. especially, the scope of where we're going to go. i know, just the other day, we provided a medal to the officer who was killed on good friday. killed because of political purposes. right outside that capitol. but unfortunately, the speaker does not believe that officer's life is as valued as the others. that, for some reason, we could not get to the bottom of why that transpired, as well. >> he hasn't talked to members

about their lies. that's what he is claiming. now, remember, when he used to say that -- that about things the former president said? sorry, i can't comment. i -- i haven't heard it. it's not like he, himself, hasn't drunk some amnesia juice where the insurrection is concerned. after, initially, blaming the former president for his role in it. he has. but now, there's more. when asked today why he hasn't met with metropolitan police officer, mike fanone, who was badly hurt while protecting the capitol, tased multiple times, had a heart attack. the congressman macccarthy had this to say. >> i said before, when he called my office, he called the office across the way. we gave him the phone number to the schedule and said we would love to meet with you. unfortunately, he hasn't followed up. >> speaking to cnn, officer fanone denied he was given that phone number. a "new york times" reporter tweeting bs. there is a lot of it going around, it seems. joining us now, gladys sicknick, the mother of fallen capitol

police officer, officer sicknick. also, his life partner, sandra garza. sandra, i know, initially, you couldn't even watch video of what happened on january 6th and i can certainly understand why. i know, ultimately, you did decide to. because you wanted to see everything you could, and understand what happened that day. when you see these new videos, i mean, showing the -- the intimate horror of the insurrection. i'm wondering what goes through your mind? what stands out, to you? >> well, it's heart-wrenching. it's disturbing. and some of the footage is just downright sadistic. some of those violent protestors were absolutely -- that's just the best word to put it as sadistic to the officers. and it's -- like i said, it's heart-wrenching. it's brutal, for me to watch. especially, to know that brian was there, that day.

and, you know, experiencing what the officers were experiencing, as well as seeing this. and to know, his last moments on earth were, you know, experiencing all of this. it's just horrible. it's heartbreaking. >> yeah. i mean, gladys, no one would want their loved one to be on the frontline of that. facing those people and with what they are saying and what they are doing. gladys, when -- when you continue to see all these efforts to -- to whitewash, to diminish what happened on the 6th. even though these videos show exactly what happened. i'm wondering what -- what you make of it? >> i just don't understand. i just don't understand how they can just try to whitewash it or sweep it under the rug. it just makes no sense, to me. i mean, they were there and they -- if they thought it was -- if they saw it go sideways, they should have walked away but they didn't. and they -- they just kept doing

what they were doing and hurting people. and, you know, and then, my son passed away because of it. but -- and all the other police officers that were hurt. it's just not right. and i want to know -- i want to know answers. >> you -- you want to know -- you want to know everything about what happened that day. about what led up to it? >> exactly. i mean, you know what? i -- i just want everybody who was involved and -- and -- and could have stopped it. i want them to be brought to justice. >> sandra, you wrote a piece for cnn.com. and i just want to read part of it. you wrote, to know that some members of congress, along with the former president, donald trump, who brian and i once supported. but who can only, now, be viewed as the mastermind of that horrible attack. are not acknowledging brian's heroism that day is unforgiveable and unamerican. what would you want to say to the former president and those members of congress tonight?

>> well, i think what they are doing is very damaging. it's sick. you know, it's very upsetting to me. and obviously, gladys, that they are not recognizing and admitting the truth of that day. you know, that brian, regardless of his cause of death, he, still, is a hero. he fought, defended the capitol that day. members of congress. you know, he defended democracy, that day. and the fact that, you know, they are trying to, as you said earlier, whitewash this. and pretend that it was, you know, no-big deal is despicable. you know, and -- and we and the american people, you know, deserve to get answers. deserve for them to, you know, stand up. and tell the truth.

you know, and do the right thing here. you know, to -- to further lie to the american people or the people that support them. you know, especially donald trump. and to, now, come out and say, oh, well, the fbi was involved, is absolutely irresponsible, unethical, and ludicrous. i mean, it's dangerous, as well. you know, the fbi went to extreme lengths to ask the public's help in identifying a lot of the -- the -- the people that were involved in the violence that day. so, i mean, it's absolutely despicable. it's disgusting. and, you know, we already are vulnerable for foreign terrorists and to, you know, create this garbage here, in our own country. it's -- it's -- it's unbelievable and like i said, it's irresponsible. >> yeah. gladys, you know officer fanone.

he was with you when you spoke to senators last month on capitol hill before they voted down the bipartisan commission. the fact that he apparently still can't get a meeting with house republic leader kevin mccarthy, what does that say to you? >> that they're -- they're hiding. they are hiding things and they don't want us to know. or it just -- and i don't understand. i mean, they're apparently smart people. but they're -- you know, they're just -- they're just not doing the right thing. they're either afraid of losing their jobs. or -- i don't know what they're afraid of, and i don't understand why they are afraid of, you know, former -- the former president. for some reason, they're afraid of him. and they just keep doing what he says that he -- they should do. and officer fanone said something today. i saw him on television. that -- that it's -- that a lot of these people that are involved in this coverup is -- they're like -- it's like a cancer, and they have to -- and it has to be cut out.

>> well, sandra, i mean, do you worry that, you know, as time passes. what happened on january 6th won't get the attention that it -- it continues to deserve? still, won't have the answers because there hasn't been a bipartisan-independent investigation. and that, a lot of the people who did participate, who wanted to participate, who still like the idea of what happened on january 6th. that, they are still out there and just waiting for another opportunity? >> yes, i do. that's a very scary and real thought. you know? and possibility. which is why i've been speaking out, as much as i have. i mean, i think a lot of people don't understand, this is not the most comfortable for me to come out and get in front of the cameras. and, you know, put myself out there. i'm doing this because this is so important. what happened on january 6th should have never happened.

and to know that, at the time, you know, the -- the president of the united states incited this entire thing. because he could not accept that he lost an election. i mean, is just mind blowing. so, i think the man is dangerous, and i am talking about donald trump here. and all of the people on capitol hill that continue to follow him and, you know, have their nose up his butts because i'm going to call it like it is, you know, is really, really sickening. it's dangerous. and, you know, i mean, the man may be wounded. wounded people hurt others. and we have got to separate from him. and, you know, stop this madness. so, you know, i don't want anyone to ever forget january 6th. i don't want anyone to ever forget the officers and how --

how hard they fought that day. the sacrifices that they made. and how they continue to suffer, today. and to know that these republicans that -- not all, obviously -- but these republicans that are continuing to echo this terrible narrative that, oh, it was a tourist day. and i didn't feel threatened and all this garbage. you know, they are leaving a terrible legacy here. and, you know, it's -- it's got to stop. it's got to stop. and i don't want anyone to forget brian's heroism and the other officers that day, either. >> and because of brian and all his fellow officers, they all went home that night to their families. >> that's right. >> and, you know, brian ended up in the hospital, as did, what, 140 other officers ended up in the hospital, too, with very bad -- they had a lot of bad -- the word i'm looking for -- >> yeah, injuries. >> -- yeah, right, injuries. >> gladys -- >> i -- i -- i don't.

i don't understand how they can -- can live with themselves. >> gladys, could you just tell us a little bit about your son? i mean, you know, people have seen his picture. obviously, we've seen the images of what happened on that day. but, your son is so much more than, you know, an image on a television screen. what -- what was he like? was being a police officer something that he had -- he had been interested in for a long time? >> well, when he joined the air national guard. that's when he got involved with -- with wanting to be a police officer. because that's what he did in the air national guard. but yeah. he was just -- he was as good as he was handsome. he was -- he was just a good, good person. just -- he just -- you know, there -- there was nothing -- he -- he -- he -- i think he liked everybody. >> sandra, what -- what do you want people to know about him? >> yeah. he was just a very kind person. and, you know, it hurts me that,

you know, that he was a supporter of donald trump. and, you know, for donald trump to completely, you know, spit in his face. that's basically what he's doing. to not even acknowledge, you know, that he died that day. and even after, you know, we went public. that, even after that fact, he never, you know, tried to contact us to say, wow, you know, i'm so sorry for your loss. your son was a hero. you know, and all the other members of congress that he admired. you know, are not stepping up to do the right thing is very sad to me. because brian was such a wonderful person. and so, that -- that just kind of further adds salt into the wound. >> yeah. >> but, yes, brian was a lovely person. i enjoyed his company. he was a very humble soul.

and, yeah, there wasn't a person who disliked brian. he was a very kind, loving person. >> well, you, both, represent him very well. and gladys sicknick and sandra garza, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. reminder, you can read more of what sandra garza wrote at cnn.com. there is more breaking news coming up next. late word on a possible outbreak of bipartisanship over infrastructure. and later, we will talk to a republican congressman and air force veteran about the way some of his fellow republicans have been taking shots at, and casting doubt on the armed forces of the united states. your cloud... it isn't just a cloud.

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there is more breaking news tonight. just moments ago, the white house said the president will meet tomorrow with a bipartisan group of senators who have been r racing against a holida holiday-recessline to work out a deal on infrastructure. cnn's kaitlan collins joins us now from the white house. >> it's significant they are going to the white house tomorrow alone. this is something the white house has said would happen if it looked like they were getting closer to an agreement. and now, jen psaki, the press secretary, is confirming they will be meeting with president biden tomorrow. working behind the scenes, having several meetings with white house staff. trying to come together on an agreement. and so, it doesn't appear that this is finalized, yet. the staff is still, actually, writing out the text of this agreement, anderson. but the lawmakers who got out of those meetings today were sounding pretty confident about this. they were saying they would not be going to the white house, unless they did have an agreement. and so, they said they agreed on the top-line numbers with the white house of this package. that's the overall spending and

the new spending that it would be for infrastructure. and they also said they agreed on the biggest-sticking point, so far, which is how to pay for it. so we are still waiting on an explicit white house endorsement. we have not gotten one, yet. and we are told president biden is going to be briefed by his team on this tonight. but you are right. the lawmakers are scheduled to go on a two-week recess is starting tomorrow night. >> there was debate about what infrastructure is. do we know about the left wing of the democratic party, who wanted this to go big and sort of in the words of republican, kind of redefine what infrastructure is? is the white house confident they can get them onboard? >> i think, in the end, they believe that maybe they'll pinch their noses and vote for it, anyway. but remember, they had been saying recently they did not want to vote for whatever bipartisan package that the more moderate members of their party came to an agreement with republicans in the white house, unless they had commitment from mod moderate democrats, people like

senator manchin, senator sinema, that they were actually going to vote for a bigger package down the road. that's the one they expect to pass with only-democratic support. and so, i think that is the commitment that is waiting to see if that's something that's emerged. but even like senator bernie sanders was saying. we want to make sure we have them onboard so we can pass a bigger package later on with all our priorities. climate, everything else that they have been talking about when they were arguing what is infrastructure? and so, that's another thing, i think, people will be waiting to see when these meetings are happening at the actual white house tomorrow. >> president biden, today, also, addressed the issue of gun violence. what did he say? >> i think we are seeing just how big the recent surge in crime is becoming of an issue for the white house. that they dedicated an entire day's events to it. he met with the attorney general, mayors of several-major cities in the u.s. today came out. talking about what he is going to do. really, framing it through the lens of gun violence and saying he wants to tighten gun regulations. give more money for police departments so they can staff up. and he was saying, really, this isn't a partisan issue, in his view.

>> folks, this shouldn't be a red-or-blue issue. it's an american issue. we're not changing the constitution. we're enforcing it. being reasonable. >> one thing he did say that was pretty interesting, anderson, is, of course, there is always an uptick in violence in the summer months. but president biden said today, he thinks it's going to be worse this summer because of all the re-openings, due to the pandemic. following the pandemic. and so, essentially, they are warning this could be an issue, to come. they know republicans are going to try to use it against democrats, politically speaking. and so, i think that's why they had president biden come out today that, yes, we are on top of this issue. we are taking steps to address it. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. thanks. joining us now, senator chris murphy, democrat of connecticut. senator murphy, i am wondering, first, what your reaction is? >> my sense is that deal right now has 20 votes, not 60 votes. we are going to have to take a

deep dive into the agreement they have reached. and, you know, square it with the needs of our voters. i think many of us have had two concerns. one is that some of the numbers in the bill for hard infrastructure just aren't good enough. let me give you an example of the northeast rail corridor. that's vital to my state of connecticut, getting people on the train back and forth to connecticut and new york and boston. the numbers i have seen in that bill. you know, barely, just fix the things that are broken on the rail line. never mind, actually, decreased-travel times for people. second, in my state, if you fix the roads and the bridges. well, that helps people get to work. but people can't afford childcare. infrastructure is not just asphalt. it's the assistance that many people, in my state, need to be able to afford to leave the house and get back to work. so, i think that second package that kaitlan referenced. a bigger package, outside of hard infrastructure, we're going to need to make sure we see a path to get that done. >> many democrats, obviously, have been pressuring president biden to go it alone on

infrastructure. i mean, if it does, in fact, end up on biden's desk for his signature. does it prove that bipartisanship is still possible in washington? or should we not get ahead of ourselves? >> well, my constituents back home don't really care, so much, about process. i'm going to be honest with you. if you -- if you are making their lives easier. if you're allowing them to be able to get back to work. they don't really care republicans, and democrats, or just one party voted for it. what the president is proposing, whether it be in the rescue plan earlier in the year or the jobs plan, that's all bipartisan in the sense that democrats and republicans out in america support it. my constituents just want us to get things done. they are not really as focused on this issue of bipartisanship as the inside-the-beltway pungetry seems to be. >> tom frieden wrote a column warning democrats about embracing defund the police. he said biden needs to keep

rallying his party around transforming police and sufficient policing, not defunding the police because it -- if people feel forced to choose security over democracy. concerns about stealing outside their door over stealing an election beware. way too many will choose trump and his cult. president biden did reiterate he is not in favor of defunding the police, and never has been. but i'm wondering what you make of some of your colleagues who do support a defund-the-police agenda? >> first of all, i think it would be ridiculous for us to view this through a political prism. i get columns get written giving us political advice. what we should be doing is making changes to law e enforcement and actually investing in things that prevent crime. i think a lot of people out there that are very frustrated with the way money is spent today. they see an underinvestment in things like summer jobs and summer camps and an overinvestment in police. so one of the things i liked about president biden's proposal today is yes, he is saying we need to spend money on

targeted-law enforcement. a different kind of law enforcement of but he also had that that proposal, money for summer jobs, money for summer programs. to get kids off the street, give them something productive to do over the course of the summer. when i am in the north end of hartford or east end of bridge port, that's what people want. they want police who are going to respect them but they also want some other options for kids right now. who don't have a lot of productive avenues during the summer. >> why do you think it is, though, that we are seeing this uptick? i mean, it's always hard to -- just as it's hard to explain, exactly, why crime goes down in cycles across the country, at the same time. it's hard to explain, sometimes, why it goes up. but i mean, it's probably a multitiered issue. but do you have any sense? >> well, i do. i mean, i think if you look at the sort of scope of american history. violence tends to increase when there's more economic desperation. and there's been a lot of economic desperation out across america over the last year and a half. now, it's starting to get better

with the passage of the rescue plan. but violence is a lagging indicator. also, there is a lot more guns out there. i mean, we saw record-gun sales last year. many of them were sold to criminals. many of them were sold to traffickers because we don't have universal background checks. and so, unless we pass universal background checks, you are going to continue to see this record level of gun sales lead to record willlevels of crime. >> senator murphy, appreciate your time. up next. what the nation's top general told embattled congressman matt gaetz about critical-race theory at a fiery house arms services committee today. that's coming up when we come back.

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the defense secretary lloyd austin and the nation's top general, joint chiefs chairman, mark milley, came under attack today at a house arm services committee from republicans, including republican matt gaetz. and why general milley believes it may be important to understand it. here is the key portion of the back and forth. >> how should the department of defense think about critical-race theory? >> could i make a comment, secretary? i'm sorry. >> i am very limited on my time, general milley. >> well, i just want to make a comment. >> i know. but i -- i've asked the question to secretary austin. >> i do think it's important, actually, for those of us in uniform, to be open minded. and be widely read.

and the united states military academy is a university. and it is important that we train and we understand. and i -- i want to understand white rage and i'm white. and i want to understand it. so, what is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building? and try to overturn the constitution of the united states of america? what caused that? i want to find that out. i want to maintain an open mind here. and i do want to analyze it. it's important that we understand that. because our soldiers, airmen, marines, and guardians, they come from the american people. so, it is important that is leaders, now and in the future, do understand it. i have read -- i've read carl marx. i've read lennon. that doesn't make me a communist. so, what is wrong with understanding? having some situational understanding about the country for which we are here to defend? and i, personally, find it offensive that we are accusing the united states' military, our general officers, our commission, noncommissioned officers, of being quote woke or

something else because we are studying some theories that are out there. that was started at harvard law school years ago and proposed there were laws in the united states. antebellum laws prior to the civil war that led to a power differential with african-americans that were three-quarters of a human being when this country was formed. and we had a civil war and emancipation proclamation to change it. and we brought it to the civil rights act in 1964. took another hundred years to change that. so i do want to know. >> adam kinzinger, congressman, thanks for being here. i am wondering what you make of -- of that discussion? i mean, i found it fascinating to hear general milley talk, in that way. and clearly, as he is a student of history. what do you make of it? >> yeah. i thought it was fascinating, actually, hearing it. it's the first time i had kind of gotten top lines of what was said. and i think what he is showing is a couple things. number one, they want military officers to be studied up on all these issues. it doesn't -- when i heard that. i'm like, i don't think he was

saying we need to adopt, you know, critical-race theory. i think, he is saying we need to understand what it's about. i think there is value in understanding different viewpoints. now, getting the issue of whether to implement this in military teaching is something different. but -- but i think the bottom line is everything that led to that is this new kind of -- well, it's not really new but it's really accelerated -- just trying to stoke outrage and division. and i think you saw that with the questions. were intended to basically stoke outrage and division. and i wish people would depoliticize the military. its job is to defeat our enemies, or be willing to do that. that's the job of the military. if we want to debate all these other issues, we can debate them. but i think the military just needs to go out and do what it does. and -- and you have so many on -- i guess, on both sides. but i can be particularly critical of my side, as a republican. that are just out trying to stoke darkness, fear, division, over and over because it gets retweets, it gets ya likes.

you might be able to raise some money but it's really destructive to this country. >> it's, also, interesting. i mean, you know, i grew up in the age of ronald reagan. you know, when i was a kid and -- and in college. to hear republicans, suddenly, going after the military. from -- from -- in a way that you would expect, in the past. it was, you know, very-far left or progressives going after the military on -- on subjects. it's kind of just an interesting juxtaposition, particularly for someone like matt gaetz who does not exactly have a record of distinguished service in any armed forces or, frankly, in the halls of congress. >> yeah. so, you're right. it's exactly what, you know, people on my side used to be critical of. the democrats doing. but it's just now by a different name. they just picked a different issue. and again, you know, whether it's january 6th. you know, that was a quick opportunity to politicize the military. but the reality is the military needs to be left out. it is the last institution, in washington, d.c., anderson -- i

guess, in the whole country really when you talk about the government -- that has the faith of both parties. that has bipartisan support. even the fbi is political, now, in people's minds. even the cia is political, in people's minds. obviously, congress is. and every institution. the military is the one we need not to be in. when we continually try to stoke anger i think in these questions or these statements. it's not beneficial to defense of this country or to those that have signed the dotted line to serve and protect and don't want to spend their time being superconcerned with what our latest outrage is here. >> you have been working on something, pushing very hard for in congress. which i think is a really important thing. it's special u.s. immigrant visas for afghan citizens who helped the u.s. military mission there. it has bipartisan support. can you just talk about why that is so important to you? and what the likelihood is that you can get it passed into law? because it's not the -- the greatest history that we, as a country, have of remembering those who have helped us in past

wars. i mean, you know, we -- when we left vietnam and the way the u.s. left with the quickness that it left. there were a lot of people who had worked for the u.s. government, in difficult situations, who were left behind. in iraq, even. though, promises were made, you know, getting visas for people who had been interpreters was -- was something that was drawn out for many. >> yeah. so that's what the situation is in afghanistan. you know, i disagreed with the president's decision to leave but it's made. and so, we now look at there's 18,000 people in afghanistan that worked with u.s. forces to work as translators and other things. that, in many cases, actually died. but those that are still alive, waiting these visas. you know, they were done so with a promise that we will bring you to the united states of america. and what's happened over the last number of years is bureaucratic slowdown. there are 16,000 visas that were approved, that haven't been fulfilled. and now, we're going to be out of afghanistan, what, in a month or two? and there's 18,000 people at --

ho look. we know what's going to happen because we have seen it happen to a number of them, already. they are going to be killed. their families are going to be killed and it's not just the humanitarian impact of that, which is tragic, and obviously important. but when you even look at what the -- the u.s.'s next conflict. we will be in a war again, sometime. how do you make a promise to the -- to the people there that you will follow through on what you say? >> yeah. congressman, i really appreciate your time. thank you. >> anytime. just ahead. new details tonight on what may be surprising to some. a growing distance between the former president and his daughter, ivanka, and her husband jared kushner. fast, powl long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. because with the right pain reliever... life opens up. aleve it, and see what's possible.

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kate bennet. so, kate, do you get the sense from your reporting that this is at least partly mutual? that kushner and ivanka trump want to distance themselves from the former president's behavior? or is it just that he is such a bore now, you know, going on and on about the past that they don't want to be around him? what is going on? >> i think it's a little bit of both of those things. for sure, the inability to move on has affected how jared and ivanka see their roles. i mean, this is not something that they can get into, or want to be a part of. so -- so certainly, in the cast of characters around the former president has grown to include, you know, some people with some very farfetched theories. and again, this is the distance that jared and ivanka are putting themselves away from their father and father-in-law and the man they spent, you know, four-plus years with. and i think, too, on the other side. from -- from trump's side. certainly, maybe, we were hearing some jealousy involved

in the book deal kushner signed was apparently a seven-figure deal. there is nothing the former president hates more than someone profiting off something he feels he facilitated. so that's caused some behind the scenes whispers. certainly, whatever it is and there are a lot of factors going on here. the bottom line is the -- jared and ivanka have really separated them. even though they both live now in south florida, in the south-florida area. they have separated themselves from donald trump and that's a very significant change in the dynamic in the relationship. >> so, do they have much input or involvement with the trump-political orbit now? >> none. absolutely none. my colleague, gabby ore, and i, both our reporting shows that there's really nothing to do with ivanka and jared and the planning of these rallies. or the political endorsements that trump is making. or even the super pac. nothing, whatsoever, to do with any sort of a pending run-up to the midterms or 2024. they are completely removed.

jared will, occasionally, call and check in. and -- and one person described it as -- as dropping your child off at daycare. you know, the parent sort of, slowly, gets to stay a little bit less and less each day. jared, being the parent. trump, being the -- the toddler. and, you know, and -- and if something does ramp up, perhaps he will step back in. but clearly, now, there is nothing going on between the two sides. >> kate, i -- stand by. i want to bring in cnn's jim acosta. jim, you obviously had a front-row seat to this for years. i guess the former president was very close to his daughter and son-in-law at one point. or at least publicly, that is what he it seemed to be. we also know he has a tendency to sour on those who aren't delivering on his demands or get better book deals than he do. how do you see this playing out? >> well, it sounds as though jared and ivanka are trying to treat trump as the coffee boy in all this. i never thought i would see that day. i did talk to a longtime-trump

adviser earlier today. who said, you know what? trump feels used. by jared kushner. there -- there is a twist, anderson, that i don't know if we would ever see. trump feeling used in all of this. but listen. i mean, as for jared and ivanka trying to distance themselves. i mean, keep in mind. i mean, i don't want to go over all the history of the last-four years but jared was in charge of middle-east peace in the trump administration. he had a heavy hand in the covid response. he was working on, you know, the border wall. he was a campaign adviser, and so on. there is no rehab tour. there's no pr spinning. there -- there's no separation that -- that can be put in place between trump and jared and ivanka that is going to wash the blood of january 6th off of their designer suits. it's just not going to happen. and i think jared and ivanka can try this but i don't think they are fooling anybody. i think a lot of people out there see their failures tied, very tightly, to the failures of former-president donald trump.

the other thing i will say, anderson. is -- is, you know, in all of this, jared and ivanka have a decision to make. you know, i recall, anderson. there was video january that sh backstage with the president at the time. they know what took place on january 6th. they could tell all. they could tell the public how sorry they are about january 6th and what happened in this country, and until they do that, should anybody really take them seriously? i think not. >> yeah, and also, i mean, kate, is it possible this is just part of a rehabilitation campaign for ivanka trump and jared kushner? it seemed to me, back during the four years of their reign, that every time there was something, you know, something would leak that, well, ivanka really had a big hand in this or, well, ivanka tried to stop the president from doing this, but he ignored her. >> sure. >> which seemed to clearly come

from them. i don't, you know, i haven't talked to them, but it certainly seemed just coincidental that this stuff would always kind of filter out, that we would suddenly hear what jared and ivanka were hearing behind the scenes. >> sure. i mean, absolutely, they were behind -- they were masters of doing that. i mean, i think it became a pretty reliable sketch that the press would get used to, that this sort of pattern would occur. certainly, you know, they've taken this road trip from florida, the kushners, up from florida on their way to bedminster, new jersey, and stopped off with nikki haley and happened to spend the weekend at her house in south carolina. i'm not saying they're not friends but their next stop was morgan, the state department spokesperson for mike pompeo, so they're making, you know, whatever you want to call it, a tour up the east coast of greatest hits of the trump administration. it's to be determined what's going to happen.

now they'll arrive at bedminster where the former president has a cottage, and they have a cottage just several tens of feet away from each other, so we'll see what happens with the relationship. but it, again, yeah, they're masters of their own futures, and they try to put out a certain degree of messaging. >> kate bennett and jim acosta, thanks. just ahead, breaking news about the surge in crime, how it's affecting one of the most iconic cities in america. ♪ dad, why didn't you answer your phone? your mother loved this park. ♪ she did.

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more now on our breaking news about the nationwide rise in crime and president biden's attempt to combat it, which came with this warning. >> crime historically rises during the summer, and as we emerge from this pandemic, the country opening back up again, the traditional summer spike may even be more pronounced than it usually would be. >> cnn's dan simon now on how the surge in crime is being felt in one of america's most picturesque cities, san francisco. >> crystal meth. >> reporter: we found 50-year-old hugh in front of his carved out space on the edge of

a san francisco street encampment. >> that little bed right there is where i sleep. crystal meth just helps me get through this. >> reporter: i'm in the city's tenderloin neighborhood and you can see tents and tarps basically lining the entire street. this is pretty typical of what you'll find in this neighborhood. residents here are mortified or beyond wit's end. as it emerges from the pandemic, san francisco's facing multiple crises. its homelessness problem has been out of control for years but covid made it even worse with the shelters thinned out to prevent the spread of the virus. that in turn has exacerbated a raging mental health and drug crisis with an overdose rate literally flying off the cdc charts. that purple line, san francisco. a record 712 deaths last year, more than doubling those who died of covid. police seizing more than 5.5 kilos of fentanyl in 2020, quadrupling the previous year. this year, it's already up to

8.8. and while overall crime went down last year, burglaries went up, 52% according to police data. now with tourists returning to the city, there's also been a surge of car break-ins with thieves seen on camera ransacking and dumping luggage on neighborhood streets. >> my security camera captured it directly in front of my house. eight or nine suitcases and backpacks. it creates a sense of lawlessness. >> wow. unbelievable. >> reporter: and there's also an epidemic highlighted by this viral video. >> is shoplifting happening every single day? >> every single day. sometimes there are a group of shoplifters. >> we need more cops. we need more officers. >> reporter: san francisco police chief bill scott says the problem is twofold. not enough cops on the street and a revolving door of criminals. >> these same people going into stores and snatching property, once we rairs them, we've found out they've been arrested over

and over again. it was frustrating. >> we have a rogue district attorney. >> reporter: the city's progressive d.a. is facing a potential recall. elected in 2019, boudin has enacted controversial policies centered around dekars ration, like no cash bail. at the height of covid, he reduced the jail population by nearly 50%. >> jail and prison should be a last resort. >> reporter: boudin says the idea is to address the root of the problem. >> the united states leads the world in locking people up and it has not made people suffer. >> requif you don't want a perso sit in jail, put enough police officers. we can't say we're going to

empty the jails and then cut the police budgets too. then, we're in chaos. >> reporter: anderson, chaos is really the word a lot of people here in san francisco would describe the current situation. in the short-term, what the city is trying to do is reduce the number of tents you see on the street, and they have made some progress in that area, but still, hundreds of tents, they're also increasing the police foot patrols, and anderson, as for that walgreens shoplifter? police arrested him while he was allegedly trying to shoplift at another store. he hit that same walgreens four days in a row. >> wow. dan simon, appreciate it. the news continues. let's go to chris for cuomo primetime. the pandemic is part of it, policy is part of it. san francisco, new york city, it sounds good, bail reform, let's just not lock up people forever and make them sit for months before a trial date but you do too much too fast and you get what's happening there and across the country, people being arrested but they can't be kept in jail. 'l