she is a pediatric surgeon who has spend the last-14 months building trust, and bringing testing and vaccinations to those in need in her hometown of philadelphia. meet dr. ila stanford. >> african-americans were dying at a rate greater than any other group in philadelphia. so i jumped in. we were intentional about getting black and brown communities, the access and care they needed. those who are most vulnerable. they need to have the support. >> i'm done. feel great. >> just seeing folks come out, day in and day out. their presence says everything. yes! and she's smiling. it was all this narrative. black people don't want the vaccine. but they were lined up. we had to earn the trust of the people. you know it's saving lives. the data shows it. i could not allow one-additional life to be lost, when i knew that i could do something about it.

everything we did was for them. to make sure they can get the care, they deserve. >> to date, dr. stanford's group has tested and vaccinated more than 75,000 people. see how she does it, and get her full story. nominate someone, as well, that you know to be a cnn hero at cnnheroes.com. thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. good evening. we are waiting for a briefing, expected shortly, from officials in surfside, florida, where at least 99 people are, still, unaccounted for after parts of a 12-story apartment building collapsed in the early hours of this morning. surveillance video, you see, captured the moment as one section, then the next. about 55 units, in all, came down. this was about 1:30, in the morning. cr crews have been on the scene, almost ever since.

so far, they have only managed to find a precious-few survivors. we know, from experience, that people can manage to endure for days under the right conditions, if they're trapped in the rubble. we also know officials are warning the situation could get very grim, as the hours unfold. and as i said, we are awaiting a press conference from officials, any moment. our randi kaye is there for us, tonight. >> reporter: anderson, still, 99 people unaccounted for. but rescuers are not giving up hope. they have been at it now, about-18 hours. at one point today, they were working in the parking garage underneath that collapsed building. now, they have some teams actually on top of that pile of rubble. going through it, looking for survivors. but certainly, it has not been easy. there were some heavy rains here, earlier today. and every time that building

shifts, it has the potential for some small fires. we saw one of those, earlier today. but rescuers say, anderson, they will work through the night. >> reporter: in a matter of moments, a huge chunk of the champagne tower south in surfside, florida, collapses into a cloud of dust. this video appears to show what happened at about 1:30 in the morning, as residents slept. >> buildings falling down in america. and here, we had a building, literally, fall down. just doesn't happen. >> reporter: the 12-story condo tower just north of miami beach was built in 1981. of the more-than-130 units inside, nearly half of them are now destroyed. more than 100 people have been accounted for. but officials say, nearly 100 are, still, missing. >> my nephew was here with wife and three -- four children. you know, lose hope. just asking god. >> reporter: whatever brought

the building down was so strong, neighbors heard it and felt it next door. >> and suddenly, a loud bang. almost like a [ inaudible ]. it woke me up. but this rumbling was a very different, very strange. and something was not right in this sound. too strong, too violent. it almost felt like a shock wave coming. >> reporter: since long before dawn, search teams have been combing through the rubble. using concrete saws and other lifesaving equipment. search-and-rescue dogs, also, help lead the way. rescuers are hoping someone, anyone, is still alive. trapped beneath the rubble. earlier today, they thought they'd found someone. >> they have heard sounds, early-this morning, from what they feel was somebody in the parking garage. so, however, the communications were -- it was more clinging --

people, in those type of situations, they will find items to make noise with because they want -- want to be saved. >> reporter: 35 people were rescued from the structure that was still standing. two more people were pulled from the rubble. at least four were taken to the hospital, where one died. >> the problem is the building has literally pancaked. it has gone down and i mean there's -- there's just feet in between stories, where there were ten feet. that is -- it is heartbreaking, because it doesn't mean, to me, that we're going to be successful, as successful as we would want to be, to find people alive. >> reporter: nicholas balboa heard a boy screaming for help. >> he was just screaming don't leave me, don't leave me. >> reporter: rescue teams helped pull the boy to safety. but dozens of families are, still, wondering about their loved ones. >> this is very sad, when you are dealing with people that

don't know the outcome of their family. they're very worried. they're -- they're -- they -- they just are desperate, in the sense that they want to know what's actually taken place. but we continue to try to rescue. we continue to try to find more people. >> reporter: and tonight, anderson, of course, there are many questions about what brought this building down. but officials are saying that is not their priority, right now. the priority is saving lives. they don't want to tell all of those families that their loved ones didn't make it, so they will continue the search. and the families, anderson, are staying close. there is a community center, just a few blocks away. they can leave that center, but they have requested pillows and blankets. i'm told, they are not moving, waiting on word of their loved ones, anderson. >> yeah, of course, randi, appreciate it. thanks. we are going to check back with you and as i sate, id, we are awaiting a press conference on this collapse. joining now, son and husband of judy spiegel, who is among the

missing. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. i am so sorry it's under these circumstances. josh, i know you have been at the family reunification center all day. do you have any updates? or what have authorities been telling you? >> we don't have any updates, at this time. they've come and told us how many people are unaccounted for. and that the -- they have teams underground searching for people. but we don't have any, other information, other than that. >> but, anderson, if you could look right behind us. they are on top of the rubble, trying to start peeling it off, one by one. we have a lot of hope that judy is still alive. and -- >> still there. >> -- and still there. >> yeah. >> she is an amazing person. she's great-grandmother, mother, wife, she's just amazing. >> and, kevin, i know you live in this building with judy and i understand you were on a

business trip in california. i cannot imagine, to hear this news. and then, fly back. how are you doing? how are you, both, doing? >> i mean, it -- it is hard. i was doing a hospital turnaround in watsonville, california. i got -- woke up in the middle of the night, which most men do. you go look at your e-mail. and i saw the emergency notice on my phone. and that's when i notified all the kids, and it was on the news. >> hmm. >> it was very unfortunate. >> yeah. as soon as i heard, i drove, immediately, down from orlando. and we're here with my sister rachel and my -- and my brother, michael. the rest of the family's all here and we're hoping and praying that they are able to find my mom. >> you know, i -- i spent time in places where buildings have collapsed. most -- most, obviously, in haiti. and, you know, we saw people being pulled from the rubble,

days and days, after a building has gone down. so it is, certainly, possible. i understand that -- that holding onto hope because we've seen it, in the past. kevin, do you have any -- any idea what happened? i mean, have you ever had any concerns about this building, in the past? >> no. i think it, you know, surfside is a wonderful town. i think that the building did put off some of the repairs that it needed to do. but they were ontrack to start moving on things. and most recently, started to do the necessary requirements for the 40-year certification on the roof. and we were moving. in the main lobby, was the whole design of the modernization plan. so, we were ontrack. it was actually moving forward. but maybe, covid slowed it down. >> you know, josh, we -- we -- we see, and we've been told,

search-and-rescue teams are going to be working through the night. as you -- as kevin -- as you pointed out. the mayor says they are not lacking, when it comes to resources. that is, certainly, a blessing in all of this. the fact that there are incredibly-skilled first responders, who are, at this moment, and throughout the night, are going to be working. i -- i assume, that gives you some amount of -- of hope, as well? >> yes. as coming from a healthcare-based family, we're very -- we're very proud. and we're very hopeful that the community here will be able to find our loved ones. and i just want to say that, um, my mom is an absolutely amazing person. she's a fighter, and is she fights for every single one of us. and we won't stop until -- we won't stop fighting until we find her. >> well, josh and kevin spiegel. thank you so much for talking

with us. i -- i -- i hope you get good news. and i -- i hope to be able to share that with you. thank you, so much. and i -- i'm -- i'm praying for you. >> anderson. >> yeah. >> god bless you. god bless, everybody. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> stay strong. more now on the people who are on the scene. and will be on the scene for as long as this search, rescue, and recovery operation takes. the first responders, who are doing incredibly delicate and urgent and lifesaving work in the rubble. joining us district chief jason richard of miami-dade fire rescue. chief richard, i appreciate you being with us. i can't imagine what this has been like. you ran the overnight search-and-rescue operation at the site. you have been searching since 1:00 a.m. what's it like working -- work thg site? working this site? >> the site's been a difficult, you know, challenge for us. there is lots of hazards in the building. but we are continuing our efforts searching for survivors. and doing our best to remove them. >> we saw a video that was released by miami-dade fire

rescue showing rescue crews, i believe it was in the parking garage. there's water on -- on the ground. you can see supports, i guess, that you guys have put in to keep the structure that you are working under, to keep you all safe. can you just explain? i mean, it -- it -- in a thing like this, isn't -- i mean, if you move one piece of metal, it's like a jigsaw puzzle, isn't it? i mean, don't you have to constantly be aware of how one piece affects another piece? >> yeah, that's correct. as we move into the rubble piles or, in this case, a parking garage. structural engineers as part of our urban search-and-rescue teams and some of the units that were deployed with us that help determine what's safe to go in and where we need to put shoring and other materials to -- to make sure that the building doesn't shift or come down on our rescuers. so, as we move through the building, we constantly monitor. making sure that there's no movement. every piece of rubble that we move, we have to take -- make

efforts to -- to stabilize the building, inch by inch. there was a lot of water inside the structure due to broken pipes. we -- that was one of the issues that we had to mitigate. all the utilities in the building, electric, gasoline from the vehicles, propane and natural gas, water. so, that was part of our operations overnight. was mitigating those -- those hazards to us and any-potential survivors. and that was part of what we did overnight, also. >> at this stage, are you using canines? are you using sound devices in the rubble to hear anything? or is -- is ti-- i'm not sure wt the sort of chronology of how you work is? >> so, yeah. we're using canine assets from miami-dade fire rescue and florida task force one. as well as, listening devices that we have as part of our cache of equipment. we, also, stop and hail callout

to in the rubble pile listening for any sounds, tapping, voices, anything we might hear. so occasionally, we will stop all of our operations and just have everybody go silent and listen. that, in conjunction with the dogs moving about the rubble pile, constantly, as well as the listening devices. we have cameras that we can bore holes into slabs of concrete and put into other void spaces in order to see in corners and small areas, also. >> we heard from one official, earlier, talking about how the building -- i mean, not -- not why. but sort of, just structurally, how it went down. that it, essentially, has pancaked. is that true for the entire structure that -- that went down? that it is just on top? each floor is on top of the other? or is -- i mean, is there some -- is it possible there's spaces underneath? >> so, in this type of collapse, even though it is a pancake collapse, as the slabs of concrete slide and -- and move

towards the ground. they do create voids, you know, as the rubble crushes and slabs of concrete land on top of it. there are, definitely, voids. so we are hopeful that we will find patients in those -- in those spaces. and we -- we have identified voids and those are the areas that we're -- we're focusing our efforts. >> when, obviously, crews are going to be working through -- through the night. how difficult -- i mean, obviously, you could bring in lights -- does it make it exponentially-more difficult working in -- working at night? or can you light it up, sufficiently, that it's close to the same as day? >> so, throughout the day, we've been planning for this phase of the operation. you know, once nightfall came. all-day long, we've been bringing in resources, such as light carts. we have lighting that we're able to elevate 10, 15, 20 feet in the air in order to help out so we have light carts, towers. our ladder trucks have powerful

lights on them that we can put up, elevated, to also help light up the scene. >> yeah. chief richard, i appreciate what all of your team, the men and the women, are doing on this. it's extraordinary work that -- that you all do and incredibly skilled and brave. thank you. appreciate it. and thanks for the update. >> thank you. again, we are waiting a press conference from other officials on the ground there, any moment. we will bring that to you, live. joining us now is congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, who represents surfside. congresswoman, have you been provided any insights or any information about what may have caused this? >> because they really are, anderson, still, in the midst of this heartbreaking, painstaking search-and-rescue operation. they're not even really approaching trying -- being able to try to figure that out. it is the most bizarre, just unbelievable situation that -- especially, in a community like this one, in south florida. where we have such stringent

building codes. you know, 40-years inspection requirements. this building was 40 years old and was just about to undergo its inspection. it's -- they, really, still have not begun to even be able to sort that out. >> yeah. i believe an attorney for the condo association was on with erin burnett. saying that, in preparation for that 40-year update, they had had an engineer or multiple people looking at the building. coming up with a list of things that needed but they didn't have any indication, at this stage, that any of those things may have related to this. but obviously, you said the focus is, really, on the recovery efforts right now. what have you been told about -- about -- >> family members. >> -- yeah. what have you been told? we just talked to -- to the chief there. what's the plan for the coming hours? >> so, over this period of time, you know, they've just shifted the crew here. the -- the -- that the search and rescue is continuing.

i have been working since i got on the ground, and before i left washington this morning. to -- with the white house and with our state-emergency management officials here to make sure that all the requests that are made by miami-dade county and surfside are -- are able to be granted. and, you know, the white house has confirmed that what ever is asked for is -- is going to be granted in terms of the longer-term housing assistance, debris removal, the -- the expenses that are, obviously, massive. that no budget this small, like the city of surfside, is, or even miami-dade county can handle because it's so unexpected. but, you know, the -- the -- the key thing here is that we have, you know, really, dozens and dozens of families who are -- whose hearts are broken. who are desperate to get information about their people. i'm working through my district office, anderson, to try to get visas processed, quickly. so that we can get family members, because there's a lot of international families here. and we need to get their loved ones here, who have people who might have been in the building

or who we think were in the building and we want to make sure we get their loved ones close. this is the most bizarre, freakish, you know, chaotic situation. but we have the best search-and-rescue team in the country here. our search-and-rescue team goes out to all of these disasters around the country and the world. unfortunately, right now, the disaster is right here at home for us. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, appreciate your time. thank you. sorry it's under these circumstances. >> thank you. coming up next. we will also talk to a structural engineer, and what may have been the cause of this. and why, in this country at least, incidents like these are, thankfully, so rare. later, senator bernie sanders joins us on the big-bipartisan infrastructure deal announced at the white house today but also the much less bipartisan spending deal both he and the president want to go along with it. more on that ahead.

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as we wait to hear from officials tonight and as crews continue their search for survivors in the rubble in surfside, florida. the search for what caused the disaster is only getting started. in a moment, we will talk with leading structural engineer. joining us now is sh shimon davinsky who did a study of the building last year that determined for at least a portion of its life, it had been sinking. first of all, the idea that this had been sinking. can you just explain what that actually means? i mean, how much you noticed that? how much that was able -- you know, how much was it sinking? and what more do you know about the condition of the building? >> okay. so, it was -- we looked at it as part of a study when in miami-dade county. so, we used satellite data from

space and we looked at the movement of the air surface of the building. now, we don't like the term sinking because sinking is something that sink into liquid. we usually use the term subsiding. >> subsiding. okay. >> so, what we notice is that the building was subsiding. at a very -- at a rate of 2 millimeter per year, which is small but it was noticeable because the -- the rest of the area was very stable. >> you say -- you say it was -- you say it was noticeable. it's not noticeable to the human eye. i mean, 2 millimeters a year. it's noticeable, through your instruments? >> exactly. it's -- and it's observation from space. so, it noticeable on the background that other places move or did not move. in area, other building didn't move. it was a localized area of subsidence. we use data by the international

space agency, which is called isa, between 1993 and 1999. so report is about movement that happened during that period. and we saw that the building was moving so it's not clear if it's that -- the -- the land was moving or the building was moving into the land. but it was a -- obviously, the -- the building, itself, moved. a very small portion. which is about a -- over the measurement period of six years is about half-an-inch. >> so let me just point out. you were studying this in the 1990s and over the course of -- of some-six years. and -- and you are talking about very -- you are talking just about millimeters. there's no -- is there any -- i mean, there's no evidence, at this point, because, frankly, we do not know what caused this tragedy. whether any kind of movement of a few millimeters each year would have had any kind of impact on what actually happened, correct? >> well, the thing is that the -- the -- the -- we had the

measurement in the 1990s. we did a study just a few years ago and we reported it last year. because we were concerned about the rising-sea level. but the -- we need to look at more data and to see if the rate of subsidence is accelerated or change or stopped because we cannot say. but the thing is that the -- the building moved at a very slow rate. but it, still, moved. and usually, things like that associated with some -- cracks in buildings and structural damage. it's hard to say because we never went over that. we just noticed that and we reported that in our study. >> it's, also, interesting because you were saying that this was very localized. meaning, that it wasn't -- this wasn't happening to all the buildings around it, correct? >> that's correct. in other places, we saw more diffused pattern. although, it was localized and most likely reflect the

building. whether it's the -- the ground movement with respect to the ground where the building stand. or -- but it's not the -- the other building around it. so -- >> professor, i really appreciate your -- your time tonight. thank you very much. now, to officials on the ground there with the latest information. they are holding a press conference. let's listen. >> we stand in solidarity, once again, to tell you we are working, around the clock, to search and rescue people in this rubble. and we did identify and declare, as safe, 102 people. and 99, we, still, cannot account for. some of whom may not have been in the building. so our firefighters, men and women, are working around the clock. a huge task force of people that are continuing. they're, right now, working. they are going to work all through the night.

the dogs. they're working in the garage. they are working on the top. so they are visible right now. but they are -- they are proceeding with -- with all of their might. like, i can assure you that, these fire-rescue personnel, the best in the world, the ones that are called upon to come out in crises everywhere are working as hard as could possibly be. they are so motivated to bring people out, safely. and restore them to their loved ones. so, we just wanted to let you know, as the day comes to an end, that their day does not. but we will be back, bright and early, 7:30. what's our time? okay, approximately 8:00, we will be here to report after our morning briefing. and we will report on what has happened throughout the night. we're very pleased that we are joined by our senator, marco rubio. our congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz. our chairman of the commission and our vice-chairman of the commission.

and we just wanted to be sure that we could close out the die for you, and you could, all, take a rest and come back refreshed, in the morning. [ speaking foreign language ] mayor there of miami-dade county. not much new information about pointing out the latest from officials on the ground. 99 people, still, unaccounted for tonight. in surfside. it's important, as she said, that doesn't mean 99 people -- it's known that 99 people were in that building and they haven't accounted for those people who are in the building. they -- they're not sure that -- some of those 99 people may have been out. this occurred around 1:30 a.m. in the morning or thereabouts. so, they are still, obviously, trying to get in touch with anybody who -- who may have lived there but not actually been there. to try to figure out, exactly, how many people it is that they

are searching for, right now. the operations are underway. and will continue throughout the night. joining us, now, is a structural engineer, who currently serves as california's seismic-safety commissioner. kit, thanks so much for being with us. i'm wondering just what you make -- first of all, we just had a guest on who had done this study. saying that the -- that the building was -- had been subsiding in the -- the timeframe that they were studying it, in the 1990s. is that significant? >> yeah, most definitely. well, first of all, this collapse is really a classic failure of column failures which means the building, itself, is support by a series of pillars so if the pillars fails, everything fails. so that's exactly what look like that. and i seen hundreds of them like that. now, columns or pillars happen

for potentially three reasons. one, poe tentially, as professo was talking about, the sediment itself could compromise. that's one. two is potentially the corrosion of this steel. you know, this -- as you noticed, this right next to the ocean. and also, area collapses the oceanside. right? so corrosion will compromise capacity of the column. if the column fails, everything fails essentially. and a third reason potentially something compromise the columns, pillars, maybe truck or something run into it. highly unlikely but those are probably, three potential reasons why this thing's collapsed. >> it's a really interesting thing that you point out which i had not realized because i didn't have a sense, the side that collapsed, you are saying, is the side that faces the ocean. >> yeah. exactly. usually, you see more corrosion

at seaside because salt exposure is higher than the other side. and that's what you see in many, different places, especially the caribbeans. >> an attorney for the condo association had been on cnn saying that -- that they had had an engineer looking at the place. and that they had, in order for the 40-year certification and that they had a list of things that they were going to be working on. how significant is it to find out exactly what it is, that that engineer saw? or what anybody studying this building saw? because would -- would corrosion -- if what this is, is the columns gave way, is corrosion like that very visible to the human eye? >> yeah. well, the -- i mean, first of all, this a 40-year recertification for safety by the county in miami. it's one of the best practices in the world, by the way. >> so, these are actually very-top standards that miami-dade county has. >> oh, yeah. most definitely. most definitely. i think it's a really great practice.

and now, where you see [ inaudible ] you are going to see the cracks on concrete. the reason is the rebar gets rusted. it cause a cracks. so if the exposed concrete, you can see the cracks fairly -- fairly-large-size cracks. you start seeing it. then, you'd know the -- there's something wrong in that reinforcement. so, yeah, structural engineer, that is a really critical one. >> the -- when it's part -- just part -- just part of a building collapsing. does that tell you a story? does that tell you something? i mean, obviously, you had talked about it's the side facing the water. and that's more likely to have the corrosive effects of -- of salt. but i mean, if -- if -- say, it was partly the sediment of the soil. if only part of the building is of the -- excuse me -- of the building is settling into the soil. would that -- that would, obviously, cause stresses as well?

>> that's right. if certain area building settles more than others, you know, get pulled in so cause some stress there. but collapse from the right and center and -- and north side, also, collapsed at -- you know, right -- right after. so -- but again, usually, the corrosion doesn't affect uniformly. you can see certain elements, structural elements, get affected more than others because of exposure to weather or, maybe, water leaks, you know, stuff like that. so those would be three things. >> for search-and-rescue teams right now. we talked to the chief a little bit earlier who said they have structural engineers with them just to keep the site safe. that's just got to be an extraordinarily delicate operation. >> oh, most definitely. i mean, search -and-rescue team.

their members, you know, they are definitely risking their lives. extremely dangerous condition. and as you said, structural engineer so they usually attach to that and they ensure -- well, at least reduce the risk of the rescuers. you know, i was in mexico city earthquake in 2017. and same thing. just need to provide a safe, safe access to the firefighters get into the people. >> yeah. >> now, but there's [ inaudible ]. even a concrete floors collapse each other. usually, there's air gaps caused by the concrete debris and so on. so, as you saw, i did too. haiti, to mexico, to nepal, to everywhere, when a building collapse happens. many cases, days after, you can find some people, still, alive. so there is still hope. >> it absolutely happens. i mean, we have seen it. i really appreciate your time. thank you. it's fascinating and thanks for your expertise. it was a significant day, as well, in washington.

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it's being treated as what one former vice president might once have called a big effing deal. that's how joe biden famously described the passening of the

affordable care act. tonight, president biden celebrating a big bipartisan deal with money for infrastructure but not without some potential strings attached. >> this deal means millions of good-paying jobs and few burdens felt across the kitchen table, and safer and healthier communities. but it also signals to ourselves and to the world that american democracy can deliver. and because of that, it represents an important step forward for country. >> the package agreed to with the democratic and republican senators, five each, calls for $1.2 trillion in spending over eight years. of that, a little less than half would be new spending over and above current levels. however, the president, also, signalled that he would not sign it on its own. but only, if accompanied by a larger package of tax-and-spending measures which would likely be passed under reckon silgds. in other words, solely, with democratic votes in the senate. joining us now, senate budget committee chairman, bernie sanders. senator sanders, thank you for being with us. earlier today, you said you

hadn't seen what is in the bipartisan bill or how it is going to be paid for so you didn't want to say you would support it. since then, i know the white house released a breakdown of the bill, how it's funded. can you say if you will support it? >> well, what i can say is that, where the spending is going makes a lot of sense, to me. it it's directed toward bridges, our roads, water systems, wastewater plants, broadband, heavily funded. that's the good news. we need to spend money in that area because our infrastructure is crumbling. on the other hand, some of the pay-fors, how they are going to pay for it, i have concerns about. but what is most important, anderson, is what is not in that bill. which is why the president said he would not sign that bill, unless we move forward with another, major piece of legislation under, what we call, reconciliation. and, that is, to, finally, address the longstanding crises facing working families in this country. i think everybody knows people

on top are doing phenomenally well. corporate pockets are soaring. but for the average worker, things are pretty, pretty rough. so what we have got to do is, now, invest in making sure that we have affordable housing in this country. that we have home healthcare for an aging population. that we're able to expand medicare, so that we, finally, can cover dental care and hearing aids and eyeglasses. that we deal with the crisis in childcare, where so many families, working families, cannot afford childcare. and that, in addition to all of that, it's absolutely imperative that, we deal with the, i would say, existential threat to this planet of climate change. and when we do all that. when we invest in healthcare and in education, making higher education affordable. when we invest in transforming our energy system. we are going to create millions-more good-paying jobs. so that's what the president wants. that's what i want.

and i think that's what we are going to see. >> yeah. i mean, as you said, he's pointed out that he -- he won't sign this bill, if -- if -- unless it's accompanied by this larger package, that you just talked about. how do you think that'll impact the chances of the bipartisan bill passing? i mean, will it convince enough progressives to vote yes? oh and on the flip side, might it erode republican support? >> i think, at the end of the day, my guess is that both bill bills will pass. and i just want people to know because i think there is a lot of alienation, disenchantment on the part of american workers with what goes on in -- in washington. and i think, what we are, finally, doing is listening to the pain of low-income and middle-class families. and instead of worrying about the rich and the powerful, we're going to focus our attention on the needs of working families. and i think what we are looking at, in my view, anderson, if we pass what i would like to see us pass. it is probably the most consequential piece of

legislation for working families passed since the 1930s and the great depression. >> let me ask you about that because i -- i don't want to put words in your mouth. you seemed to suggest today that you would be open to lowering the 6 trillion price tag of that bill. you said you think 6 trillion is the appropriate amount but acknowledge you have to work with 49 other members of the democratic caucus. can you say what you are willing to compromise on? or what you -- what you see this actually coming as? >> well, if the bipartisan bill is passed and that will have, i think, something like 570 billion in new money. that's simply -- those are, pretty much, the programs that we're going to put into reconciliation. so, that's a heck of a lot of money. we're not going to build the same bridge, twice. so, you can deduct some of that from what we're trying to do. look. what the process, as you well know, is about. i got to deal with 49 other people and somebody says you should spend more on this. spend less on that. you know? and my job is to kind of work it all out so that, at the end of

the day, we are dealing with -- with the crises facing working families. for the first time, we will finally have paid-family and medical leave. we are the only major country on earth where, if you have a baby today, you got to get back to work in a week because you're not guaranteed time off. or your kids are sick, you can get fired if you are staying home taking care of your sick kids. that's crazy stuff. so, what we're going to do is address those issues. i can't give you an exact number. it'll go up, it will go down. we will see where we end up. >> senator sanders, as always, we appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much. now that a new york court has suspended rudy giuliani's law license, what happens next to the former-president's lawyer? and once one of the most powerful prosecutors in the country? that's coming up. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee...

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saying that he had made, quote, false and misleading statements a new york court today expended the law license of rudy giuliani, the former president's former personal attorney. the former mayor of new york city and once-feared government prosecutor. in a ruling after a disciplinary hearing, the court said his statements in defense of the

former president, immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law. he can appeal the decision but disbarment is a possibility. joining is george conway who has vocal in his opposition to the former president. mr. conway, should anyone be surprised this happened? >> no, not at all. because this was a story about completely relentless, representative, incessant, intentional lying, and we all saw it unfold in real time and the court recorded in its opinion saying this, under the disciplinary rules, under the rules of professional conduct is impermissible. we can't have lawyers lying in their representation of clients, and the court found that giuliani has done both. and i have to say, based on what i saw in this opinion, even though this is only an interim ruling and interim suspension, it's pretty clear that giuliani doesn't have much of a defense

and he's entitled to a hearing, but unless he comes up with something, and i don't think he will, we're never -- he's never going to see the inside of a courtroom again other than as a defendant. >> you really believe he'll be disbarred? >> or he'll at least receive a suspension that's long enough that given his advanced age, he's not going to be practicing again. and i don't know, frankly, who would ever retain him given his record. >> giuliani said tonight on another channel, quote, there's no doubt if i was representing hillary clinton i'd be their hero. i represented my clients so effectively that they're trying to get me to shut up, end quote. you're not allowed to represent your client and lie brazenly, are you? >> that's exactly the point. it isn't about who he was representing. this was about the line, the incessant lying, saying that thousands of people voted in

georgia, dead people voted in georgia, and, in fact, only two were found voted that way. and saying that thousands of underaged voters in georgia voted, in fact, there was a full audit in georgia and it was found that zero people had voted. he lied to a court about the claims that were actually being litigated in the court. his client -- the campaign withdrew its claims of fraud, and yet giuliani stood up before a federal judge and said we're asserting these claims of fraud and his cocounsel had to stand up and say, no, we're not. he lied to courts and the public and in the context of how important and how significant and the poison, the poisonous effect of these lies, the court said it had no choice but to suspend him even before having a full hearing. >> do you know much about his business? will this affect his bottom line? i don't know if giuliani and

associates is still around, but he used to -- which was sort of consulting, lobbying, i'm not sure exactly -- i think they did a wide range of security related and other services. >> i don't know that he's got that business going anymore. i mean, from everything i read, he seems hard up for money after a costly divorce. i can't imagine anybody's going to be hiring him for anything. he just came off last year not only just with the dishonesty but the world's worst lawyer. his main client was president of the united states, and other than donald trump himself, no person on this planet did more to cause donald trump to be impeached not once, but twice, than rudy giuliani. remember, it was rudy giuliani running around ukraine trying to get the ukrainian government to conduct a bogus investigation of joe biden and hunter biden. it was, of course, rudy giuliani who pushed these ridiculous claims of fraud and stood on

that podium on that platform at the ellipse on january 6th at that stop the steal rally saying we need to have trial by combat to determine whether the president of the united states lost the election. it's incredible. it's conduct unbecoming a lawyer. >> it's like a fever dream when you say it. >> it's -- it's nuts. it's nuts. i think his best defense would be some kind of an insanity defense. >> today is the 35th anniversary to the day that roy cohn, the disgraced attorney for mccarthy was disbarred by the state of new york. actually an attorney that used to work with roy cohn was my mom's attorney and she did her -- and she got him disbarred as well. his name is tom andrews, he's dead now. but how eerie and satisfying is that coincidence? it's one of those fascinating historical coincidences. >> it is one of those

fascinating things. there are incredible similarities. roy cohn was a very talented man but a very, very dishonest man and that's why he was disbarred. he was also one of donald trump's favorite lawyers. >> yeah. >> and donald trump, remember, when he was -- he was mad at jeff sessions for being ineffectual for his view attorney general and said where is my roy cohn? roy cohn was the model attorney to donald trump and look where it got him. >> george conway, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the latest on that building collapse in miami. thankfully a boy was rescued from the rubble. i'll talk to a man who helped save him, next.

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more now on our breaking news from florida. as you heard earlier in the program, officials say they're working around the clock to rescue any survivors from that apartment building collapse. these are new aerials giving you a sense of the scale of this and the difficulty of operating at night. these are live pictures. there have been some dramatic rescues, most overnight. most notably a boy lifted to safety by first responders. nicholas balboa happened to be