more now on our breaking news from florida. as you heard earlier in the program, officials say they're working around the clock to rescue any survivors from that apartment building collapse. these are new aerials giving you a sense of the scale of this and the difficulty of operating at night. these are live pictures. there have been some dramatic rescues, most overnight. most notably a boy lifted to safety by first responders. nicholas balboa happened to be passing by and helped rescue the

boy. nicholas joins me now. you were walking your dog overnight and felt the ground shake. tell us what happened then. >> well, first, anderson, let me say it's an honor to be on your show. i appreciate you taking the time to have me. yeah, this morning i'm here visiting from phoenix. my father and my family. so i was walking my dog this morning. but at first felt the ground shake and what sounded like thunder. i thought honestly like a storm was rolling in. we've had storms all week. but about 30 seconds to about a minute later it happened again but a lot more pronounced as the rest of the building collapsed. so i brought my dog back upstairs to the apartment, came back down and sought other individuals that were starting to come out to the street to see what happened. so we made our way down to the building.

i could see that some of the balconies had fallen, some of the debris but it wasn't quite clear. fire crews showed up, emergency services. they started making a perimeter, pushing us all back. it was at that time i went north and went around one of the other apartment buildings to the back side of the buildings along the beach and was walking along till i could get to a better -- a better spot to see kind of what happened. i could see that literally the entire building had fallen, had just sheared and split off. >> and you heard someone under the rubble, actually saw fingers wiggling, is that right? >> yeah, it was eerie back there, it was silent, quiet. there was no fire, there were no police. there was nobody back there except for just a handful of people. so i went to take a closer look. as i got close to the building i

could hear it sounded like somebody yelling. i went to go investigate and it became more and more clear the words i could understand and it was somebody saying "i'm here, i'm here, can you see me?" and i saw little fingers through the rubble. >> that's incredible. and you led rescuers to him? >> i did. i tried to make my way up to him. i was wearing flip-flops at the time so i wasn't equipped to make the climb but i got close enough to see him and let him know that we were there and that we were going to get him out. >> so you were talking to him while he was still in the rubble. >> correct. >> how was his voice sounding? he must have been terrified. >> absolutely. from what i could tell because the debris that was around him was a bed frame and a mattress, so i imagine that that might have been his bed possibly. he was in his pjs. so he was -- he might have been

asleep and literally the apartment gave way and down they went. he told me it was him and his mother in the apartment and i could see him but i couldn't see his mother or hear her. and at this time from what i gathered from the crews and stuff like that, they still haven't been able to find her yet. >> so he didn't know where his father was or how she was? >> no. >> how old was he, do you know? >> he's 10 years old. >> wow. >> i mean just an extraordinary thing that even though there's crews there, you go to the back and walking around in your flip-flops and hear this voice. i mean it's an extraordinary, extraordinary moment. thank goodness you were there. >> i guess, you know, the universe works in mysterious ways. here i am all the way from phoenix just at the right place at the right time. we were just there. >> nicholas balboa, i really appreciate you talking to us and

thank you for all you did. i really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> that's it for us. we'll continue obviously to follow this ongoing search and rescue effort. the news continues, let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> we have to be hopeful we hear a lot more stories like that in the hours to come. thank you very much for setting the table. i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. it is 9:00 p.m. in surfside, florida. we are in the midst of the agony unknown. all eyes should be on this situation. we haven't seen anything like this since 9/11. nearly 20 hours since half of a high-rise building went down on top of itself. and we are on the clock here and time is of the essence. nearly 100 people are missing. age ranges varied. families, kids. again, authorities are still tracking down the last known location of those 99 people who are unaccounted for. at least one person has been confirmed dead after this event.

11 so far hurt. look at this as a before and after just to see what we're dealing with here. the building is 12 stories, has 136 units. 55 of them are now gone. rescue workers are racing to find survivors. but that doesn't mean they're going quickly. this is pain staking, meticulous, dangerous work. they are focusing -- this is in the garage there. the water is from flooding. they say the flooding is controlled. they are working in one area specifically. why? we're going to find out more about that. the early word is that there aren't too many different options for them because of what they're dealing with and what they could still deal with. officials say they're all in this parking garage and some on top. they're trying to tunnel in. they have sonar, they have

search dogs to help them, and there may be signs of life. >> we did receive sounds. not necessarily people talking, but sounds, what sounds like people banging. not people, but sounds of a possibility of a banging. >> he has to qualify everything because you don't want to give false hope. but that is what we've seen in a lot of these situations. you're looking now video from inside an apartment that someone posted on twitter who says she lives in one of the condos on the side of the collapse. luckily she wasn't in the building at the time. here are some people who were. >> i was in a deep sleep. i heard a incredible bang. we opened up the door from our apartment and there was a huge pile of rubble and dust and just havoc. >> we grabbed the children and started running out the door. as you went down the stairway for the exit emergency ramp everybody was screaming and panicking.

>> my nephew was here with the wife and four children. 2, 6 and 9. >> were they here visiting? >> yes, vacation. i'm just asking god because they're in the affected area. >> now, there is no question that we're facing some hard realities. yes, it's likely many of the unaccounted for were home in the middle of the night when this happened about 1:30 a.m. and, yes, it is not a great sign that in the 20 hours since there's been little progress in terms of rescue. but there is hope. again, this work is meticulous, it's slow, it's delicate and it's dangerous. but even in a collapse like this, there are spaces.

even in what they're calling a pancake. even in what you're seeing there and common sense tells you is terrible. there are spaces. they are called voids. people can be in them. we have seen it like this many times all over the world where people have been pulled out hours, days later. now, so far 102 have been located since it went down. 35 who were rescued from the structure in the immediate aftermath. two more victims were pulled from the rubble, including a 10-year-old boy that you were hearing about in anderson's show. it is a miracle that he is still alive, and yet miracles can happen and prayers are up for a lot more of them tonight. once we answer the all-important

question of where is everyone, we need to know why this happened. of course search and rescue is the priority but officials thus far have offered no suggestion that this was intentional or there was a report of an explosion or collision or event that triggered this collapse. so far everything that has been detected from video or reported by witnesses or officials is painfully obvious. it seemed to just collapse on itself. now, what do we know about the building that could be helpful? it is not an unusual structure. it's an ocean front structure called champlain south. it was built in the '80s. it was one of the first to go up. a key piece of information is that it was undergoing a recertification process. under local law 40-year-old buildings need that. and there were reports of the need for repairs from rust and corrosion. however, those conditions are not in general unusual in a seaside structure. then again, in america, buildings like this don't just fall down this way. it's withstood hurricanes, right? there will be an answer here. let's get the latest. let's turn to the mayor of miami-dade county, daniella levine cava.

mayor, i know it's been a long day so thank you for joining us. how are you all doing? >> chris, it's been an incredible day of heroism. our first responders have been working around the clock and they're working all through the night. of course the families are in despair waiting, worrying, and we're telling them to please have hope because we are leaving no stone unturned. as you say, there are opportunities, there are spaces, we're hopeful. but as well we've had incredible support. the cities, the law enforcement agencies, the fire departments up and down, and now we've also asked for federal help. president biden called me this morning, asked what he could do, and we're very hopeful that fema support is on its way. >> in terms of whom you are looking for, 99 are unaccounted. have you been able to find out that any of the 99 were not at home at this time? >> so that is why we are very

clear in saying that it's unaccounted for. we do not know if those people had the good fortune of being someplace else, so we are narrowing that down. but we had 53 that were accounted for in the middle of the day and we're up to 102, so we're making great progress with the assistance of families, loved ones. they're calling our hotline. we have a family reunification center. everybody is cooperating. >> just so that people understand the numbers, you had 53. that number of people you could account for went up, but the unaccounted did not go down? >> correct. i don't know which -- how many went from one list to the other, but yes, we still have 99 and the 99 could go up because many of those people might have been visiting, they might not have been registered, so we don't really have all the information

about who might have been in the building. >> now, what have you been told from the search and rescue people about why they're focusing on that one area in particular in the parking garage. is that the only option right now or some kind of plan or something we should understand about this process? >> well, i just came from the site. i've actually been here all day on the side of the site and there were search and rescue team members on the top. so it's coming from below and it's coming from on top. they are searching for those spaces, as you said, where they could get in. there's even a camera that they can insert. they're using the sonar and the dogs but coming in through the bottom. there's more space there and they have definite areas where they have been picking away. they have displaced debris. debris has fallen on them. of course they are taking risks but they know what they're doing. this is the best team in the world. these men and women have gone

all over the world to help with disasters, including 9/11. >> yes, i'm aware of them and their expertise. what are they saying about the risk of continuing collapse and have all of the units that are adjacent to this one in the other tower, are they all evacuated? >> so we have structural engineers on site as part of our fire rescue team. and so they are in constant communication guiding where it is safe to go for the rescue activity. the two buildings to the north and the south were evacuated in an abundance of caution. all of those people, by the way, have been relocated to hotel rooms that have been donated and hopefully they'll be able to get back in and get their belongings soon. but basically, yes, the two buildings are vacated. >> now, is it true one of the hard realities in search and

rescue like this is about the percentage of the structure that they are able to access and assess. in this particular situation at this point they're still pretty much at the beginning, is that true, that they have not been able to get that far into the structure because of the nature of the challenges? >> yes, i think that is fair to say. they are bringing in cranes tonight. they are using their heavy equipment so they're going to be moving things very delicately, very carefully. clearly the first -- you know, look, we're not even 24 hours into this. so 2:00 a.m. they were on the scene. they evacuated everyone from the intact part of the building. they got out, 35 people, two more that were found in the rubble so it's been an incredibly arduous task. later this morning they did start the rubble search.

so, you know, they're working hard and they're using all the resources that they need to listen for noises, any odors, of course any voices, which they have not heard. >> as you said and as we had heard from other sources, there is a team of engineers there making sure that where they go is safe and that the other structure isn't in danger of collapse or at least imminently to the extent that they can tell. i know there isn't time right now because the urgency is finding people not figuring out what happened. but have you been able to rule out any more definitely what this wasn't about? that this wasn't intentional that, this wasn't something done to the building? is there anything that you're able to say is not the case? >> definitely we are still in the investigative phase and we're not ruling out anything, but there has been no evidence

founding of foul play. >> mayor daniella levine cava, thank you very much. this is a time where this country has to come together an focus on this, because there but for the grace, we've never seen anything like this since 9/11. different circumstances, but it matters. i'm on my way down with a team tonight right after the show and i'll see you on the ground tomorrow morning. >> yes. and supportsurfside.org is a place you can make donations to the families. >> supportsurfside.org. the need will be great. lives may well be changed and on a big scale. we're dealing with a lot of families here. i'll see you in the morning. we're here to help. let us know how. we will stay on this. there are going to be a lot of chapters of this. search and rescue is slow. that does not mean that they can't find people. it would be rare for them not to.

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of the people that they're looking for may not have been in the building. it doesn't mean that others weren't visiting who were not registered and not known. so the unknown is the agony here. but there are people who are missing who should have been able to be contacted, and there's already so much pain in this community. that includes members of temple menorah which is just a block away from the scene. with me now the leader of the temple, rabbi elliott pearlson. rabbi, thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> we have never seen anything like this since 9/11. different circumstances, but just the moment of tragedy, so many affected in an instant. in your own congregation, you know people that can't be found right now. is it true three generations of

one family from the temple cannot be accounted for right now? >> three members of the community, correct, and we're praying, we're hoping. like you said, miracles occur every day and we're praying for a miracle this evening as well. >> what are you hearing from the congregants about the shock of who is missing and who they're looking for and what their concerns are? >> i think people are -- it's hard to explain. this doesn't happen in america. it doesn't happen in miami beach. it doesn't happen in our homes. and it's very difficult for us to comprehend how it's possible. you know, we live through hurricanes, but hurricanes you get three, four days warning. should i leave, should i stay? and this, it's a tremendous shock. and the numbers and the devastation is -- it's unprecedented. we've lived through hurricanes such as hurricane andrew or wilma, but it's not the same. it's really tragic. i'm not sure the best way to

express the amount of pain and suffering that people are -- and anxiety that people are feeling right now. >> you were at the site today. >> yes. >> meeting with family members. there were still parts of the building falling down. luckily they have evacuated the adjacent -- the other towers. what were you hearing and what were you saying to people in a moment like this? >> you know, people want to know why did god allow this -- why did it happen? why did god allow it? as a person of faith -- and i have to tell you, one of the most amazing things i saw, and it's very appropriate. instead of asking where was god or why did god allow this to happen, let's look at it from a completely different perspective. what did i see? i saw catholic chaplains, african-american pastors, orthodox rabbis, reform rabbis, i saw people coming together reaching out through the pain

and suffering. do you know where god was? god was in the love and compassion our community was showing for each other. god is in every one of us, especially when we reach out to people when they're in pain and suffering. what did i feel? i felt a tremendous sense of solace and comfort knowing that so many people care about one another, regardless of religion and faith and color of skin. it was an amazing thing in a time of pain and suffering. >> how are you preparing for the days ahead? >> well, we're going to have an emergency prayer service tomorrow on the sabbath. we're going to have special prayers for healing. we're not only praying for those who are missing, we're going to be praying for our firefighters and police putting their lives on the line. when i walked past ground zero there was row after row after row of firefighters who are literally waiting to rush into a building that can fall at any

time. we're going to pray for them. we're going to pray for these first responders putting their lives on the line so that lives can be saved. it's -- and that's how we hope to respond in such a way that it will reinvigorate us showing appreciation for that which we do still have. >> the difficulty here, the challenge here is that while the seminal event is over, the building has collapsed, hopefully there is not more of that, the story of the cost has just begun. and this is going to be sometimes in crisis, as you said, the worst of situations brings out the best of us. this scale of people being affected, 99 people, dozens of families, generations in some cases, how do you deal with the magnitude? >> so as a person of faith, i do believe in god. i know that god is with us. i feel god's presence. and that for me is on a very personal level empowers me to do what i need to do.

i know that god wants us to heal and to be strong. that's how i get through every minute and every moment and every painful situation just like this. not just today but every day. and i think that if people can always remember that god loves us and god wants us to be healthy and god wants us to love one another, i think that will give us what we need to see through not only this difficult time but difficult times in the future as well. >> it's been told to me more than once by people of faith that the faith doesn't help you avoid a situation, the faith helps you deal with the situations that come. and this will certainly, almost certainly be one of those situations. rabbi elliott pearlson, again, i'll be on the ground after the show tonight. we're going to cover this, we're

going to cover it all day and be there and see what the resolve is. we'll be there. let us know if we can help. >> thank you. absolutely. >> rabbi, be well and again, we're a call away. >> god bless. >> god bless. >> so, look, the daunting question is why did this happen? this doesn't happen in america. this wasn't a hurricane that took out a piece, took out a warehouse, it wasn't a fire, it wasn't a con ed explosion or whatever the natural supplier is there. why did this happen? we know someone who knows the guts of this fallen tower. he inspected it years ago. what are the questions? where did they begin? what are the suggestions at this point? what do we know from how it looks, next.

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search and rescue efforts will go throughout the night. this is delicate work, it's dangerous work. the reason that the search and rescuers are fixed on this one position in the basement is that you don't have a lot of options. this has been referred to as a jigsaw puzzle. it doesn't really make sense because you're dealing with dimensions and verticality there. it's more like jenga. you know that game where all the little different sticks are layered and as you pull them

out, each pull has ramifications that have a chain effect. so that's the now. the future question is how did this happen? what caused it? would it have been preventible? these are answerable. one man whose mother and grandmother are among the 99 missing tells cnn his mother told him she heard creeking noises a day before the building collapsed. asked about it, an attorney for the condo residence association says this. >> it doesn't shock me because buildings creak and make noise. i've been at this 40 years. no matter how bad the concrete has gotten, no one has ever seen anything like this occur as a result of spalling concrete. >> spalling refers to the surface of concrete breaking or peeling away. it's sometimes indicative of a deeper more structural issue. you know that rebar is that goes inside concrete? if there's a little space and humidity they start to rust,

especially adjacent to saltwater, the ocean. as that happens, they will expand and they can actually push concrete and other building materials out as that happens and you will see cracks. that's a possibility. it's not that unusual in a seaside building to have some degree of corrosion. but for it to collapse on itself, we need more perspective. we have a structural engineer who is familiar with this building. his name is greg batista and he joins me now. thank you for doing this on short notice. >> good evening. >> what we're hearing, i heard creaking, there was spalling and there were repairs needed for rust and corrosion, some roofing. is there anything that you've heard that raises concern? >> well, let me be clear about something. the concrete repair and the spalling problem does cause eventual collapses.

i've been on buildings -- i've been doing this for 30 years and i've done hundreds of 40-year certifications. i've been on hundreds or even thousands of inspections. and spalling can get to a point that if not repaired, it can lead to eventual collapse and i've been to places where there have been collapses of floors, of beams, of columns. obviously something not nearly as much as what we see here, but yes, it could be either the main factor or one of the factors, such as there may have been some, as i've read in some articles that there was a study made that part of the building was -- was maybe -- was subsiding a little bit. so maybe that or a confluence of those different issues could easily cause this kind of collapse. >> so is there anything that you see with your trained eyes that we won't catch in the video of how this went down or what

you're hearing about what's happening in the basement or how it looks to you now? >> well, the biggest telltale sign, when i saw this this morning, i could have sworn that it was -- that it began from the top to the bottom like can happen on a lot of these buildings where you have a lot of balconies that collapse and it starts sometimes from the top to the bottom. i've seen that happen firsthand. after having seen the video, you see the actual building coming down and the actual collapse begins on one of the lower floors. so immediately i see that something happened down there. what i've told everybody i've been in contact with is all it takes is one column. you made an excellent analogy about the jenga. maybe a column on the ground floor or in the garage and that can fail whether it's due to settling or spalling or a confluence of those. all it takes is one column and everything can come down like a jenga. >> unfortunately, i don't know

that you were in it, it was a while ago, but after 9/11 those of us covering it and looking for loved ones learned quite an education about these things happening. the trade center was a unique catalyst, a unique temperature point, a unique construction point of an interior spine that it had that is all different from this situation. and yet we do not see buildings collapse like this in this country. what does that mean to you in terms of what the universe of possibility is here? >> well, for one i've been following for years the studies that have been made by the army corps of engineers about the infrastructure. a lot of times these buildings are complex environments. complex beings. they're comprised of beams and slabs and columns and they need maintenance. and i've seen up and down the coast hundreds of buildings

where you have concrete problems. if not maintained, whether it's a concrete problem or a settling problem, it could be a bridge, it could be a building, it could be a dam or a sea wall. these kind of things happen if not tended to. i'm glad that the congress recently passed an infrastructure -- an infrastructure bill that provides repairs to this crumbling infrastructure. if money is not provided to repair these things, this is just a taste of what's to come, whether it's bridges or walls or anything. >> let's deal with the instant circumstance. is it correct for us to suggest that there is hope, because even when something pancakes like this, whether it starts at the bottom when you have layers of compression like this, that there are still voids, there are spaces and arches and areas made where you could have many possible spaces for survival? >> yes, it is possible.

and if you go back to videos of buildings crumbling in the past, you've seen miracles of babies being pulled out of small voids either the day after or week after. there's certainly a possibility that this can happen here. but until the rescue workers do their job and engineers do their job to go in and try to do things safely, then we won't find out the answers for sure. but my heart goes out to those people. the family members and hopefully like the rabbi said we can pray for a miracle and something happens. >> many miracles may be possible in this situation. greg batista, thank you for the insight. obviously we'll learn more. as we do, i'd like to call on you and what we learned squares with your understanding of how it applies to this building and what it means happened. thank you, sir. >> thank you. all right. we're going to stay on this story. look, there's something else to think about with this, all right? i really hope that we haven't

forgotten how to care about one another in this situation. we found so many ways to hold ourselves apart. very often crisis reminds us that we ain't so different from one another. there but for the grace any of us could be worried about somebody who should have been in that building or was in that building, remember that. and i want that as a frame of context for what we're going to cover now after this, which is the exact opposite of what we're seeing on the ground in florida. there everybody is running into a dangerous situation to try to make something good happen. it's like the opposite in our nation's capital. that's why hopefully president biden announcing news of a new infrastructure deal is a little bit of hope that all hope is not lost. he calls it a true bipartisan effort, potentially big news. i am a skeptic. why? well, have you heard speaker pelosi? have you heard mitch mcconnell? have you heard what others are saying? i don't think this is a lock. and i want to bring in james carville for how he sees the state of play here about how we got to here and what has to happen next.

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the president is talking big talk. he says he has a deal on infrastructure. listen. >> the direct question, we have a deal. >> i don't even know what he said. i hope you could hear it. lots of talk about compromise

but at the same time even he says there has to be a second bill to include all the stuff he cut from this bill. >> not just signing the bipartisan bill and forgetting about the rest that my proposed. i proposed a significant piece of legislation in three parts. and all three parts are equally important. >> i don't get it. if you want to know why, just listen to what members of his own party are saying about what the white house is selling as a major legislative win. >> way too small. paltry. pathetic. >> i'm never overly optimistic about deals here. >> i think that a bipartisan deal alone is pretty dead in the water. >> it's never going to be enough for aoc and the left wing of that party. but how done is this deal?

let's take it to the better mind of james carville. welcome back. you know, this idea that we got a deal done here but now you've got all these democrats, bernie sanders talking about wanting $6 trillion on the next bill. joe manchin saying that's never going to happen. he's open to reconciliation because the republicans aren't dealing in good faith and won't vote against any tax measures because mitch mcconnell won't let them. what are we seeing here? are the democrats in the right head space? jim? >> well, what's happening, what you're seeing, chris, is you're seeing legislative posturing. so the liberal wing of the democratic party is saying this is not enough, it's paltry, and it's moving back and forth. you're just going to see a lot of this jockeying and posturing going on probably for the rest of the summer. but i think biden -- the president has put something out there that people have to respond to. of course we don't have the votes. we need senator manchin and senator sinema on reconciliation.

he also made that part of it. people are talking about $6 trillion. you're not going to get that. that's just utterly impossible with the current count that we have in the house and the senate. so, you know, something will come out of here, i hope. it probably won't look like it looks today, but this is -- we've got something started. i mean we're talking and we've got the ball in play. so i think that's a significant step forward, i really do. >> so you do believe this is a significant step forward? >> well, let me put it this way. i think i would more honestly say it could be a significant step forward. it starts -- it's starting a process. they had 20 that sat down and negotiated something. everybody is engaged and talking back and forth. can i tell you it's not going to collapse? of course i can't say that. no one can say that. but you've got to start somewhere. and i think the president is -- by putting this out there, you start putting heat on people. you're going to have some republicans saying this is too big spending and it's going to cause inflation, yadda yadda yadda. but you're not going to get

anything moving until you start something. this is a start. i think we should like say, okay, this is good. and it may collapse, but there's a lot -- going to be a lot of pressure because this is popular. infrastructure spending is popular. you don't want to be the first person to pull out of this to look like you don't want it. people know that we have crumbling infrastructure in this country, and they do like the idea at some level of bipartisanship. so at least the president looks like he's talking to people, he's trying to put people together. and if they want to pull out, that's going to be to their political detriment. they have something at risk in this too, understand that. it's very important for us to understand that. this is fraught with political risk for republicans also. >> i guess my misgiving is based on the fact that it took so long to just take a first step. kind of like with the voting

rights. they knew that bill was dead on arrival, and yet it took months to get to this point. is this the way you would be trying to get these things through? >> well, remember, trump was mr. infrastructure. they were gonna have infrastructure week. he was the closure. nothing happened. >> yeah, but that's trump. he was -- he was a fraud. i'm saying, you guys. is this the way you would've done it? >> i'm not a legislative mechanic. but i -- i -- to the extent of the politics of it, i think it's better to have something out there. and then, let them pull it back. but -- but right now, i think, if you go the public likes the idea of infrastructure standing, they like the idea of people talking to each other. so, yeah, i don't know if i had have done it exactly like this. but if somebody said, james, what do you think? i say it's good to get it out there. and then, let them react to it.

and i think -- i think we got some high ground here. and when, like, aoc or other people in the party, or senator sanders, attack it. that's just going to make it, in some quarters, more likely to happen. none of this is, necessarily, bad, as a start. that's -- that's the point i would make to you, chris. >> all right. i will take it. i will take any calls for optimism, i'll be honest with you. >> again, i tell you what. nothing is going to happen, unless you start. >> that is true. i just feel like they could have gotten to this same point, three months ago. you know, i don't know what the last-three months bought 'em. that's all i am just trying to say. time is on the republicans' side. not on your side. >> um, okay. they -- they -- they got the ball in their court, too. and again, i go back. they have some issues and, you know, look. we got a 50-50 senate. it's hard to -- to -- to jam stuff through with those kind of numbers. >> i hear you and i think we are going to see that play out as

well. james carville. hope to see you, soon. >> terrible story in florida. god awful. >> people got to pay attention. remember, that we care for one another. that it's not red and blue. it's that, you know, at the end of the day, all of us are the same. and we are going to head down there and try and help those people out. all right. look. bipartisanship. we are not seeing it in places that matter. january 6th should have been a no brainer. a lot of this stuff should. so, pelosi's going to formulate her own committee to investigate the terror attack on the capitol. okay. but what does that mean? let's bring in former-top fbi official to see what that investigation can do, next. ss, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee... yeah i should've just led with that... with at&t business...

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law-enforcement officer. odd thing for a tourist to do, no? let's dig into where this stands with the former-deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. how compelling, to you, is a congressional-house investigation? >> well, chris, it's not what we wanted. it's not ideal. but it is something, right? and -- and knowing that the house democrats will retain unilateral authority to issue subpoenas is a good sign. because, without subpoena authority, this goes absolutely nowhere. but, in addition to that, what they, absolutely, need are some credible insiders. people who understand the federal agencies that are at play here. specifically, dhs and the fbi. and people who have the access to classified and the knowledge of the internal workings and the documents and the -- and the employees of those agencies to go in and ask the right, hard questions. and to bring those folks in. and hear what they knew, and

what they did with what they knew, prior to january 6th. so there is a lot of work that needs to be done. and hopefully, this select committee will get it done. >> my question is if you don't nail this, at the planning level. that there were bigger brains in doing this. it wasn't spontaneous. don't you run the risk of any prosecutions just seem -- seen as victimizing people on the right? you know, that that's the way the right will see it? and so, this falls on the doj to make cases against organizers, planners, in advance. do you agree? or no? >> i do agree. i think -- i think you have to kind of separate, out, the effort to hold people criminally responsible for what they did on january 6th. and that is firmly in the doj's lane, right? and these are the 500 cases you're talking about. the congressional inquiry, through the select committee, should be to find out how government works better? how did our federal agencies and our local-police forces fail to

prevent this terrorist attack on the capitol on january 6th? fbi's number-one priority is preventing a terrorist attack in this country. they didn't do that, on january 6th, and we need to know why. what happened? and how can we do it better? >> do you think that there is any, dark unknown here? or do you think it was basically what we saw? >> oh, i think there's much more, much more, to be known than what we've seen. and even what we have heard of through the criminal cases. i, still, think it's absolutely essential to figure out, what intelligence was there? what did we know? what didn't we know? how could we have known more and understood better? and how were those warning signs interpreted by the folks, who had them? i think, there is a lot to be peeled back and understood here. and until we get to that core, we're not going to be able to protect this country against the next attack. and that's the most important thing. >> so, the best thing congress

could do is kind of uncover how this was handled, at the governmental level. and the doj can, either, bring -- >> i -- i think that's right. >> -- bring down organizers. or show that there were things that were known, that were ignored, that point to a bigger-activity ring. and that, that has to approximatbe looked at, as well. we will see, and we will bring you in all along the way. andrew mccabe, thank you very much, appreciate ya. we'll be right back. >> thanks, chris. i'm searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time.