♪ and we want to welcome our viewers here, in the united states, and all around the world. i'm paula newton. ahead right here on "cnn newsroom." what caused the unspeakable tragedy in miami? cnn now learning that an engineer raised concerns, years before that condo collapsed. and in the wake of derek chauvin's sentencing for george floyd's murder, i'll ask a former-police commissioner, whether his killing was a turning point for policing in

america. plus, the historic-heat wave baking the pacific northwest. we are live at the scene and weather center, with more on the irreversible damage the climate crisis is causing right around the globe. and we begin, once again, in surfside, florida. where search-and-rescue operations are growing more aggressive, after another body was found in the wreckage of a 12-story building collapse. this is what's left of champlain towers' south condominiums after part of the structure came crashing down, in just a matter of seconds, thursday. right now, the death toll stands at five. and unfortunately, the whereabouts of 156 others is, still, unknown. the mayor of miami-dade county gave an update on the search, saturday evening. >> our teams have been working, around the clock, as always, to search for survivors.

they have not stopped. and today, our search-and-rescue teams found another body in the rubble. and as well, our search has revealed some human remains. >> tough words to hear there, from the mayor. meantime, we have learned that major-structural problems with the building were flagged, back in 2018. and that's leading to concerns about the nearby-north tower. and just how safe it is, at the moment, with each-passing hour, meantime, families grow evermore anxious for news about their loved ones. cnn's isabel rosales has the latest from surfside, florida. >> reporter: it will not stop. the mission is just too important. 156 people, still, unaccounted for. but today, a heartbreaking discovery. >> our teams have been working, around the clock as always, to

search for survivors. they have not stopped. >> reporter: search teams discovering another body in the rubble from thursday's partial collapse of a condo building in surfside, florida. >> as well, our search has revealed some human remains. >> reporter: officials relying on dna testing to identify the victims. according to the miami-dade mayor, family members of the unaccounted have, all, provided dna samples. >> although, we're burdened with such despair. we are burdened with heavy hearts, at the moment. we're lifted up by a lot of the faith of the miracles that god can create. >> reporter: loved ones holding onto hope, as crews make progress in containing a fire in the rubble, that has drastically affected search-and-rescue efforts. >> currently, we're searching the entire-debris field. >> we are going to do a very deep dive, into why this building fell down. >> reporter: a report on the building from 2018 included concerns about structural damage. a consultant said failure to replace the waterproofing in the

near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand, exponentially. consultants who issued the report says they are deeply troubled by this building collapse. and that, they are working closely with the investigating authorities to understand why the structure failed. and the mayor there, of miami-dade, says that they are currently working on accommodating requests from the family members. who actually visit, pray, and reflect there, at the site. in surfside, florida, isabel rosales. phil romo joins me now, from miami. and it has been, unfortunately, quite another dispiriting day. what's going on right now? especially, as we had heard that at least they had been able to extinguish the fire. >> yeah. it's one more night of waiting, paula. and you -- you think about the families, who are still waiting for an answer to find out what happened to their loved ones.

there was a development, a few hours ago. the mayor of miami-dade said that now they can confirm that five people have died. their identities have been sent to their families. and the reality is that you get this idea that people are just hoping for the best. but really, expecting the worst. i had an opportunity to talk to a man who is waiting to hear news from his mother and grandmother. and he was telling me that the last time he spoke with his mother was wednesday night. and you get this idea that this happened, all the sudden. that there were no-previous warnings. and what he was telling me was that even the night before, his mother couldn't sleep because she was hearing all kinds of weird noises. and then, there is that report from 2018. an inspection conducted by -- back then. that found that there were cracks on the concrete and different things that had to be taken care of, right away.

and so, the stories begin to surface. painting a picture of a property, a building, a residential building, that had issues for years. that explain what happened here, paula. >> yeah. and again, you can't even imagine how infuriated the family must be. just hearing all of this. and at the same time, they are just, still, hoping that some of their loved ones will really be saved, be rescued. and that this won't be turned into a recovery mission. do you -- we heard that the authorities had gone to the community center there, where they were all gathered. we hear that that was quite contentious. >> yeah. a lot of people feel that authorities haven't done as much as they should have done. and that they haven't moved fast enough. what authorities say -- are saying is that this is very -- a very complicated scene, because they have to remove debris, in many portions, hand by hand.

so as to not compromise the possibility that survivors that may, still, be trapped under the -- the -- the rubble be put in jeopardy, once again. and the other story that it's beginning to surface here, paula, is people who live in the surrounding buildings. they are, now, afraid that some of the same issues that led to the collapse at this building may be found in their own buildings. and they're coming to us, even, asking us whether it's safe to remain in their buildings. of course, we say that we don't know that. that authorities are the ones that need to determine, to make that determination. we spoke with authorities, earlier, but they say, at this point, any evacuation is going to be voluntary. they are not telling the residents in the nearby buildings that they have to leave right away. but definitely, there has to be an inspection, also, in the building right next door that was built by the same company, in the very same -- same year. so a lot of unanswered questions here, paula. >> yeah. can you imagine how chilling it is for people in that building

and the surrounding buildings to really go to sleep on this evening? raphael romo, thanks so much for being on the scene for us. appreciate it. now, we are also hearing from a man who witnessed the immediate aftermath of thursday's tragedy. daniel was on vacation with his family staying at a nearby hotel when he heard a loud explosion, that he says, literally, shook the building. now, he spoke with cnn, earlier, act w about what was going through his mind, as he and his family tried to rush to safety. >> i was on the second floor, right by the pool. so in the middle of that blue hotel. right there, right beside it. i was on the second floor. i mean, literally, 1:20 in the morning. my wife and i are sleeping. it literally sounded like a bomb going off. like, it was the loudest thing i ever heard in my life. coming from a dead sleep. and then, the whole building shook. it felt like we were in the worst earthquake in my life.

and i immediately run -- we are talking about 15 seconds -- i immediately run over to the window. pull the blinds aside. and i couldn't see but four or five feet in front of me. and i am like, oh, no, we are in a tornado right now. b babe, get up, we are in a tornado. right as i said that, alarms go off. we run in the next room, grab our kids, and we take off outside leaving everything in the rooms. >> terrifying account there. meantime, a 2018 field survey is raising questions about the structural sbintegrit of the building. alarming concerns about concrete below the pool deck and in the parking garage. part of it reads as follows. abundant cracking and spalling of various degrees was observed in the concrete columns, beams, and walls. though, some of the damage is minor, and that's important, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired, the report says, in a timely fashion. spalling is a term used for concrete that has cracked or crumbled. now, the firm behind the report has released a statement

confirming these details. it says an estimate was provided to make, in their words, extensive and necessary repairs. now, i spoke, earlier, about rescue efforts with the 20 -- about the 2018 report with john butler. he is the fire chief for the fairfax county fire and rescue department in virginia. here's some of what he had to say. >> we have talked about the -- the fires with an unuknown origin. it seems to be under control right now. but there's secondary collapses. or potentially, disrupting of void spaces where there could be -- there could be life, still, worth saving. so, there -- the complexities are just so much. and repeatedly to the families and to the community. we have to keep expressing the complexities of an operation, such as this. without ever giving up hope, at this point. >> and we have to say they have not had a lot of luck with the

weather, at all. how important do you think it is, now, that at least that very large fire has now, apparently, been contained or extinguished even? >> so, that's one hazard, one risk, that has been somewhat abated. but, you know, like -- like i said, there are so many other things. the weather. the work-rest cycles of the responders. as incident commanders and fire chiefs and sponsoring-agency chiefs for technical-rescue teams. we have to continuously look out for the safety and -- and wellness of those who are responding. and trying to make rescues. >> yeah, absolutely, you do. i have been, you know, shoulder to shoulder with your crew in -- in disasters. and have seen that work, firsthand. you're indefatiguable. and even you are saying the conditions in miami right now are the most difficult, really, that many of these people will have seen. >> yes. >> how troubling is it, for you, to hear about that structural damage? and i am not suggesting that you -- you could know what's going on, on the ground.

but when you hear something like that, you know, how troubling is it? >> well, there's -- there -- there's so much, yet, to be understood. and -- and -- and researched and validated. and like -- like you said, not being on the scene, and not having the -- the intimate knowledge of what's going on. i -- i'd be stretching it to make an assessment or an observation. concrete, it is some of the strongest material we have for structures, as we know. for edifice. also, once it's compromised, kind of, the entire integrity of the structure come down. but we know very little right now. >> and that was fairfax county fire and rescue chief, john butler. now, you can help the collapse victims and their families. please go to cnn.com/impact. you will find links there to charitable organizations, verified by cnn. again, that's cnn.com/impact. okay. when we come back, cruises in the u.s. are setting sail, once

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99% of the passengers are vaccinated. we met passengers that are extremely excited to get back on a cruise ship. in fact, some couldn't contain themselves. others told us that the vaccination policy is, actually, one reason why they felt comfortable coming back. >> you missed my cartwheels, didn't you? i did cartwheels just a minute ago. you missed me. that's how excited i am. i am really excited just to be back, cruising. nothing like it. >> the feeling today is -- is hoping that they'd have it figured out. okay? that's -- that's the feeling is that i hope they have it figured out and i hope they keep us all safe. >> reporter: other cruises have been departing but from the bahamas. again, this is the first to depart from a u.s. port after going through stringent-cdc guidelines. and if you are hearing the horn go off, and passengers cheering is because, again, moments ago, we pulled away from port. and people are extremely excited to be back on a cruise. this particular cruise is going to mexico and the western

caribbean. the captain, kate mccue, the first and, still, only american-female captain said today that this was an emotional moment just seeing all the crew come back after more than 15 months of seeing the ships sitting idle. the next time you see us, we will be in mexico. natasha chen, cnn, on the celebrity edge in ft. lauderdale, florida. now, parts of australia's northern territory has just gone into a government-ordered 48-hour lockdown. and that's including its largest city, darwin. now, as covid outbreak in sydney area, at this moment, now, is getting larger. an outbreak in the famous bondi beach neighborhood rose to 110 cases sunday after a two-week stay-at-home order was imposed in greater sydney. now, officials say the two-day lockdown in the northern territory is not related to the sydney outbreak. new zealand, meantime, has suspended quarantine-free travel

with australia for three days. officials say the decision was made because of australian outbreaks in, quote, differing stages of containment. an infects diseases specialist and associate professor of medicine at the australian na national medical school. i have to say, there's been intense focus on australia throughout the pandemic because you guys seem to have gotten many, many things right. and yet, now, when we look to your country. we see that, perhaps, the delta variant may be leading to these outbreaks. but containing the virus seems to getting more difficult. what do you think is happening, in terms of australia's strategy? and how you move from this issue of containment to actually getting more people vaccinated? >> yes, paula, you are quite right. it's all about getting people vaccinated. and sort of that magical number's around 80% of the global population, fully vaccinated. and while we are trying to do

this, more-infectious variants are appearing. so the delta variant, thought to be about-60% more infectious than the alpha variant. so in other words, it's about twice as infectious as the original-wuhan strain. so, that makes it much more difficult to control an outbreak if it occurs. and hence, sydney has gone into a lockdown for the first time since covid began. >> extraordinary, really, when you think about that. because as i said, we -- we looked to australia, throughout much of this pandemic. to show us how it's done, right? and that included other places, like whether it was taiwan or new zealand. and yet, they are dealing with new outbreaks, how ever small they may be. you say that people around the globe need to get vaccinated. and -- and yet, you're not very optimistic, in terms of how quickly we will be able to do that. >> right. yeah. so, at the moment, compared to when i talked about this a couple months ago at our national press club. the speed of the

global-vaccination rollout has really increased. so, almost 3 billion people have received a dose of vaccine. and we are getting about 43 million people vaccinated, a day, which is great. and if we maintain this current rate of vaccination, about nine months, we'd have achieved that target we were talking about earlier. however, the issue is that developed countries, rich countries, are vaccinating 30-times faster than poorer countries. so we will get to a stage where the developed-rich countries have done their vaccination. and then, suddenly, their vaccination rate could slow down prolonging the whole issue. and leading to the emergence of more transmissible, more dangerous, and more-vaccine-resistant variants. >> yeah, we are still dealing with slightly more than 10% of the global population that's anywhere near a vaccine, at this point. i want to go back to the issue, in australia. because i do think it illustrates a lot of, sometimes, what we miss. australia's vaccination rate

isn't very high. they, perhaps, could have mitigated this kind of a lockdown, if not outbreaks. why not? why haven't they been vaccinating? why haven't you guys been vaccinating more quickly? >> you are quite right, paula. to some extent, it's been a tale of or game of two halves. in the first half, you had countries like australia, south korea, taiwan, new zealand, really controlling covid well. while northern-hemisphere nations have been doing a fairly ordinary job. in the second half, when it's come to the vaccine rollout, everything's been reversed. and places like the u.s. and the uk have almost got 50% of their populations two doses of vaccines. now, part of australia's issue. where we have had about 25% of the population receive one dose of vaccine and about 3% fully vaccinated. part of it was we started a bit late. the government was keen to see what the international-vaccine rollout was like. for a month or two. so, it ended up being that we

started in late february. then, we had supply issues. and supply issues are, still, in the background. particularly, the pfizer vaccine. and really, the astrazeneca vaccine for which one of our vaccine producers is producing about a million doses a week. but unfortunately, there's been the rare clotting issue we have seen. >> right. which has been a problem, yeah, with astrazeneca. but i want to ask you, if australia is having trouble with, both, the availability of vaccine, and then vaccine hesitancy. how hopeful are you that, even though we have this, you know, the scientific discovery of these vaccines, that it's actually going to make a difference to the way we handle covid in the next, let's say, two or three years? >> look. i think we will, eventually, get there, certainly. >> eventually? >> yes, eventually, paula. but i think, particularly with the pfizer vaccine, we see more of that in australia.

there'll be more acceptance and we will get things moving. and certainly, the vaccination rate in australia has, certainly, accelerated. we are getting about 140,000, a day. but, you are right. the slower we are and i will take africa as an example. less than 1%, or about 1%, of all people in africa have received a dose of vaccine. and they are now seeing a lot of covid, including the delta variant. we don't control things in those parts of the world. new variants will appear which are resistant to the vaccines. so pfizer and astrazeneca seem to be quite effective against the delta variant. perhaps, not as effective as earlier. but if we get more, more developed variants or evolved variants, it will be a problem with the current vaccines. >> yeah. and unfortunately, every time we go through this, we realize this is not over, despite the great discovery of the vaccines. appreciate you being with us to show us the perspective. >> thank you, paula. now, hong kong is the largest pro-democracy newspaper

has published its final edition. the paper says it was forced to close after chinese authorities froze millions in assets and several journalists were arrested under china's national-security law. now, the news sent shock waves through hong kong's media industry and drew swift backlash from international leaders. cnn's ivan watson has more. >> reporter: a final show of defiance. this, the emotional end, to a 26-year journey for hong kong's biggest, loudest, pro-democracy newspaper, "apple daily." >> in the predawn hours, the final edition is now being printed. and the headline here says, hong kong's painful farewell in the rain. >> reporter: outside apple daily's offices an impromptu gathering of demonstrators. >> do not go gentle into the good night! >> chanting slogans, waving

lights and tying yellow ribbons on the gates of the "apple daily" complex. that show of support carried on well into the morning, as a million copies of "apple daily's" final edition hit the newsstands. lines of people snaked through the streets, as readers bought up the final chapter of the tabloid-style newspaper. >> so, what does this newspaper signify to you? >> democracy. freedom. dignity. diversity. >> reporter: for more than two decades, apple daily divided opinion in hong kong. valued by those who shared its liberal values. and loathed by conservatives, who accused it of causing chaos. the death of the paper ringing alarm bells about freedom of the press in hong kong. uk foreign secretary, dominic raab, said the paper's closure was a chilling blow to freedom of expression in hong kong. sentiment echoed by the foreign-correspondent clubs in

taiwan and hong kong. while the u.s. consulate general posted this picture reading, press freedom, with an apple. >> why do you feel horrible about it? >> well, i don't have a choice. i'm, basically, reading all the messages that -- that the authority prescribe for us. >> reporter: newsstands now brace for the absence of the apple-bearing masthead that has been a staple for decades. founded in 1995 by jimmy lai who channeled wealth earned from textiles into next digital. the parent company of "apple daily." its tabloid sensibilities made it a market leader and gave lai a huge platform in hong kong. one, now all but crushed by the government's escalating campaign against dissent. the government denies this accusation. insisting it's, still, okay to criticize the authorities.

officials argue, they targeted the newspaper, not because of its journalism but, because of alleged acts that endanger national security. now, its assets frozen. its top editors under arrest. including founder jimmy lai, who sits in jail, barred from speaking to the press. the newspaper that was a noisy thorn in the government's side has, now, gone silent. ivan watson, cnn, hong kong. a makeshift memorial is growing near the condo building that collapsed in surfside, florida. and cnn spoke with the person who helped start that memorial. why he felt called to do it. that's just ahead. and for dozens of families, whose loved ones are missing, the agonizing wait for answers is taking place abroad. how the u.s. is working to get them to the site of the rescue operation. you love rich, delicious ice cream. but your stomach doesn't.

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and see f9 only in theaters. ♪ ♪ and welcome back to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i am paula newton. you are watching "cnn newsroom." and we are returning to our top story, to florida. and the latest on the catastrophic building collapse in the city of surfside. now, search-and-rescue teams are, again, at this hour, working through the night after another body was found in the rubble saturday. at least five people have, now, been confirmed dead. but 156 others are, still, unaccounted for. families awaiting news of their loved ones have been gathering at the family reunification center a few blocks from the

disaster site. and after 72 hours now, so many say, the hardest part of it all is just not knowing. >> the worst thing is not to know. and so, i'm very -- at first, it was difficult because we weren't knowing a lot. and now, officials have been great. desantis has come in and we are getting updates every -- twice a day. and they are being very detailed. they'll sit with us, and give us more detail. exactly, where they're going, where they' are -- that's kind f alleviating the heart a little bit. like i said, knowing whatever the outcome may be, you hope they didn't suffer if something did occur. but knowing is -- is a little bit healing, in itself. >> and, of course, it's devastating but necessary development. families are providing dna samples to help officials identify any victims. now, people are putting up pictures of the missing just a few blocks away from the collapsed building. they are also bringing flowers and candles. and as you can see there, there are moments of reflection.

families have been gathering, along with people who are, simply, devastated by what happened. now, cnn spoke with one of the people, who helped set up the memorial wall. >> what were those families thinking for those last ten seconds? if they weren't woken up by the loud sound of the first collapse. you know, what were they thinking? were they able to hug their loved one? were they able to tell them i love you? were they able to recognize this is the moment that, you know, that -- that maybe this is the last moment of our lives? so what i am experiencing here, it's been very moving. i have seen a lot of people go up to the memorial. you know, shed tears. i have hugged a lot of people. so it's been very moving to have a place where the community can come together apart with everything that has to do with the government and trying to find answers. and just have a place where they can have a spiritual connection with somebody else that is, also, suffering with them. >> now, emergency officials are asking people to call them, if they have relatives who are, still, unaccounted for. now, the impact of this tragedy extends far beyond south florida. many of those still unaccounted for are from latin american

countries. their loved ones, outside the u.s., are watching the situation unfold from afar. cnn's matt rivers has more now, from mexico city. well, as so many american families are awaiting news. any sort of word on the fate of their loved ones, as a result of this partial collapse. so, too, are dozens of latin american families. whose loved ones are among those that are missing. remember, there are multiple south american countries that have citizens that are among the dozens and dozens of people that remain unaccounted for, at this point. we have done some reporting over the last several days talking to different family members from some of those south american countries. and the consistent theme that we hear is that, among the worst part of all of this is just the lack of information. the lack of any sort of news on the fates of their missing family members. we know this is an international response. both, israel and mexico saying that they have sent workers, rescue workers, to try and help with the international effort.

with the search-and-rescue effort that is currently underway in south florida. we also know that the u.s. government, u.s. senator marco rubio's office, trying to expedite visas for the foreign nationals who have family members who are among those missing at those -- at this juncture. trying to get family members the ability to even come to south florida, and be there, present, as these rescue efforts continue. but unfortunately, we know that the more time goes by, as each hour ticks by, the chances of finding people alive in that debris continues to go down. matt rivers, cnn, mexico city. now, former-president donald trump is kicking off what you could call his revenge tour. on saturday, he held a campaign-style rally in ohio. the first one, since he egged on his supporters just before the capitol insurrection. now, the rally was part of his effort to oust republicans, who

crossed him after the 2020 election. among them is ohio representative, anthony gonzales, who voted to impeach trump. now, in true-trump fashion, the former president mocked and derided gonzales. and he, also, went after vice president kamala harris. who visited the u.s.-mexican border for the first time, friday. >> kamala harris, your vice president, only went to the border yesterday, for the one, simple reason. because i announced that i was going next week, and i am. at the request of texas governor abbott and the border patrol. i am going to the border next week. oh, if i didn't do that, i don't know if she was ever gonna go. i really don't know. was she ever going to go? i don't know. >> trump's tour will be a major litmus test of how much sway he, still, has over his republican base. okay. there is much more to come here

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chauvin will serve his time. on friday, he addressed the floyd family, in court. >> do want to give my condolences to the floyd family. um, there's going to be some other information, in the future, that would be of interest. and i hope things will give you some -- some peace of mind. thank you. >> george floyd was a 46-year-old father, whose encounter with chauvin and his final moments captured on a mobile phone, by a horrified onlooker, changed the direction of justice in america. floyd's death sparked worldwide protests. demanding an end to police brutality. now, according to the research group, mapping police violence, 482 people in the united states have been killed by police through mid-june of this year, alone. now, their data show that

black-americans bear the brunt of this violence. in 2020, black people made up 28% of those killed by police. despite the fact that they only make up 13% of the population. now, according to the group, as of may 31st, there were only eight days -- eight days -- this year, in which police did not kill someone. now, the group's data shows, as well, that most police killings begin with low-level offenses, like traffic stops or mental-health checks. and just to give you an idea of how complicated this picture is, the group, national law enforcement officer memorial fund say more police officers have died this year than in 2020 and the number of officers killed due to all traffic-related causes from stops to accidents and collisions has risen 44% over the year before. charles ramsey is a cnn senior law enforcement analyst and a former philadelphia police commissioner. i want to thank you for joining us. you know, i listened, carefully,

to your reaction when the sentencing was announced. 22 and a half years. you believe a stronger, longer sentence would have sent a better message here? >> well, i actually thought that there would be a longer sentence. i was actually thinking in the range of 25 to 30. but the judge made his decision. 22 and a half years. he based it on the evidence that he had available to him. he was there. he listened to all the testimony. he took into consideration aggravating and mitigating factors and that's what he -- that's what he came up. and i -- i respect that. i think judge cahill did an excellent job in presiding over this trial. so, you know, whereas, i, personally, thought it would be higher. i'm not the judge. he is and he made the decision and i am okay with it. >> certainly, while there was mixed reaction. there was, also, i would say, a sense of relief, among many. including members of george floyd's family. who -- who thought, perhaps, this sentence should have been longer. but were, in a sense, relieved, as well.

you know, we continue to highlight, obviously, the statistics here. and whether it's in interactions with police or with the judicial system, itself. minorities, obviously, especially black men, are so disadvantaged. do you believe, finally, that the murder of george floyd will be, or can be, a turning point? >> well, i actually think the turning point started, actually, in ferguson, missouri, with michael brown. when the attention began to be focused on policing, in a different way. now, that was not something that was captured on video. but it, certainly, did send shock waves throughout the country. i know, there were cities across america that had protests, as a result of that particular incident. >> but just -- >> there have been several other -- >> -- just to push back a little bit, though. you know, when you look at the issue of tamir rice, do you actually think that? you know, his birthday, he just would have been turning 19. his mom says, look, there is no justice. and just to remind everyone, he was a 12-year-old boy who was shot, dead, by police. no one has been prosecuted, in

that event, yet. >> well, but, all these situations are different. tamir rice had a gun, a toy gun, but it looked like a real gun. it was a replica gun. and someone saw him. he was shooting it toward people. they called the police. there was some tactical issues, and so forth. the child never should have been shot. but you have to look at all these things, individually. every time an officer uses force doesn't make it criminal. and so, we could debate, back and forth, whether or not that particular case should have resulted in a criminal proceeding, or not. i'm not as familiar with that one, as i am with george floyd, certainly. which was, clearly, a case of murder on the part of the police officer, derek chauvin. but each of these cases are different. and, you know, the use of force is a topic that, obviously, is on the front burner. in american policing. there are things that need to happen, in terms of better training, better equipment, and

so forth, deescalation. all those kinds of things. but the bottom line is there is going to be some -- some situations in which deadly force will be used by police, and it will be justified. >> but -- >> the cases we are talking about. they -- it was not justified. >> but to that end, though, you know, you bring up a good point. this is very complicated situation. and a very complicated profession. you are a veteran of that profession. do you feel american policing is in crisis, in some way? because arguably, the united states needs police protection, perhaps more than it ever has. there is this police reform bill in front of congress right now. you know, president biden has said go ahead, divert the money from the covid funds to try and get more overtime. more community policing on the streets. how do you think all of this is going to shake out? you know, i'm in atlanta right now. many citizens here, very concerned about increasing crime. and you can replicate that in dozens of communities across the united states. >> well, you can replicate it. and there is a couple things. number one, we should be looking

at the entire criminal-justice system, not just policing. policing needs reform, no question, but i would, very strongly, that we should look at the entire criminal justice system. because police are not the only part of that system, where there are issues of -- of concern. we do have to find a way to get a handle on crime. is there a crisis right now? i -- i believe it is. we're having very difficult times in recruiting in departments, across the country. this is not a time when policing is very popular with young people. so we're losing officers, faster than we're able to hire. at the same time, we have an increase in crime. and violent crime in cities across america. multiple factors that figure into why that's taking place. but the bottom line is this is not the time to defund or think that you can get rid of police. i think what we need to do is have thoughtful discussion on what's the best way of dealing with this? and we need short-term and

long long-term strategies. in order to have a -- a real impact on violent crime in america. >> really appreciate it. charles ramsey for us. >> thank you. we will be right back with more news in a moment. [john legend's i can see clearly now] ♪ ♪ ♪ make your reunion happen with vrbo. your together awaits. vrbo

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when you start talking about record temperatures, even on the overnight minimums, you have problems. when temperatures don't drop below 75 degrees, your body doesn't allow yourself to cool down overnight when it normally does to readjust the heat. these are all-time june record highs. you can see them from portland all the way to hillsboro, oregon. then when we talk about seattle, a large population density. they set a daily and record high of 102. this is an interesting thing for the mt. rainier national park service. that's the mountain in the distance from the city of seattle. they said that the freezing level if you go up in the altitude of the earth, 18,000 feet up, that's where the freezing level is. it's not 2340r78ly that high. the water and the ice is melting significantly faster than it normally would. temperature in seattle, 107 degrees would shatter the

all-time record. you can see how june's all-time high record was shattered yesterday or i should say today. these temperatures are 30 to 40 degrees above normal. if we took that and brought it to other cities, atlanta would be 110. if phoenix, arizona, was 30 degrees higher, it would be 136 degrees this afternoon which would be world record breaking heat. excessive heat warnings and this heat, paula, isn't impacting just the pacific northwest, it travels as far north as the arctic circle. back to you. >> in canada we're calling it the heat dome. kim brunhuber picks things up from here with more cnn in just

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